H4720 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 CELEBRATING 50TH ANNIVERSARY Lantos Pastor Skelton The result of the vote was announced OF CONSTITUTION OF COMMON- Larsen (WA) Paul Slaughter as above recorded. Latham Payne Smith (MI) WEALTH OF PUERTO RICO LaTourette Pelosi Smith (NJ) The title was amended so as to read: Leach Pence The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Smith (TX) ‘‘Concurrent resolution celebrating the Levin Peterson (MN) Snyder 50th anniversary of the Constitution of the LAHOOD). The unfinished business is Lewis (CA) Peterson (PA) Solis Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.’’. the question of suspending the rules Lewis (GA) Petri Souder and agreeing to the concurrent resolu- Lewis (KY) Phelps Spratt A motion to reconsider was laid on Linder Pickering Stearns the table. tion, H. Con. Res. 395, as amended. Lipinski Pitts Stenholm LoBiondo Platts f The Clerk read the title of the con- Strickland Lofgren Pombo current resolution. Stump Lowey Pomeroy PERSONAL EXPLANATION Stupak The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Lucas (KY) Portman Mr. ALLEN. Mr. Speaker, I was un- question is on the motion offered by Lucas (OK) Price (NC) Sullivan Sununu avoidably detained earlier this after- the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Luther Pryce (OH) Lynch Putnam Sweeney noon. If I had been present, I would GILCHREST) that the House suspend the Maloney (CT) Quinn Tanner have voted ‘‘yes’’ on rollcall vote No. rules and agree to the concurrent reso- Maloney (NY) Radanovich Tauscher 299, ‘‘yes’’ on rollcall vote No. 300, and lution, H. Con. Res. 395, as amended, on Manzullo Rahall Tauzin Taylor (MS) ‘‘yes’’ on rollcall vote No. 301. which the yeas and nays are ordered. Markey Ramstad Matheson Rangel Taylor (NC) f This is a 5-minute vote. McCarthy (NY) Regula Terry The vote was taken by electronic de- McCollum Rehberg Thomas GENERAL LEAVE McCrery Reyes Thompson (CA) vice, and there were—yeas 389, nays 32, McDermott Reynolds Thompson (MS) b 1715 answered ‘‘present’’ 3, not voting 10, as McHugh Rivers Thornberry Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Speaker, I ask unan- follows: McInnis Rodriguez Thune McIntyre Roemer Thurman imous consent that all Members may [Roll No. 304] McKeon Rogers (KY) Tiahrt have 5 legislative days within which to YEAS—389 McNulty Rogers (MI) Tiberi revise and extend their remarks on Meehan Ros-Lehtinen Tierney Abercrombie Condit Green (WI) H.R. 5093, and that I may include tab- Meek (FL) Ross Toomey Ackerman Cooksey Greenwood Menendez Rothman Towns ular and extraneous material. Aderholt Costello Grucci Mica Roukema Turner The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Akin Cox Gutknecht Millender- Roybal-Allard Udall (CO) Allen Coyne Hall (OH) LAHOOD). Is there objection to the re- McDonald Royce Upton Andrews Cramer Hall (TX) Miller, Dan Rush quest of the gentleman from New Mex- Armey Crane Hansen Velazquez Miller, Gary Ryan (WI) Visclosky ico? Baca Crenshaw Harman Miller, George Ryun (KS) There was no objection. Bachus Cubin Hart Vitter Mink Sabo Walden Baird Culberson Hastings (WA) Mollohan Sanders f Walsh Baker Cummings Hayes Moore Sandlin Wamp DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR Baldacci Cunningham Hayworth Moran (KS) Sawyer Watkins (OK) Baldwin Davis (CA) Hefley Moran (VA) Saxton AND RELATED AGENCIES APPRO- Watson (CA) Ballenger Davis (FL) Herger Morella Schaffer PRIATIONS ACT, 2003 Watt (NC) Barcia Davis (IL) Hill Murtha Schakowsky Barr Davis, Jo Ann Hilliard Myrick Schiff Watts (OK) The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Barrett Davis, Tom Hinchey Napolitano Schrock Waxman LAHOOD). Pursuant to House Resolu- Weldon (FL) Bartlett Deal Hinojosa Neal Scott tion 483 and rule XVIII, the Chair de- Barton DeFazio Hobson Nethercutt Sensenbrenner Weldon (PA) Bass DeGette Hoeffel Ney Sessions Weller clares the House in the Committee of Becerra DeLauro Hoekstra Northup Shadegg Wexler the Whole House on the State of the Bentsen DeLay Holden Norwood Shaw Whitfield Union for the consideration of the bill, Bereuter DeMint Holt Wicker Nussle Shays H.R. 5093. Berkley Diaz-Balart Honda Oberstar Sherman Wilson (NM) Berman Dicks Hooley Obey Sherwood Wilson (SC) b 1717 Berry Dingell Horn Ortiz Shimkus Wolf Biggert Doggett Hostettler Osborne Shows Woolsey IN THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE Bilirakis Dooley Hoyer Ose Shuster Wu Accordingly, the House resolved Bishop Doolittle Hulshof Otter Simmons Wynn Blumenauer Doyle Hunter Owens Simpson Young (AK) itself into the Committee of the Whole Blunt Dreier Inslee Oxley Skeen Young (FL) House on the State of the Union for the Boehlert Duncan Isakson consideration of the bill (H.R. 5093) Boehner Dunn Israel NAYS—32 making appropriations for the Depart- Bono Edwards Issa Bonilla Goode Pallone Boozman Ehlers Istook Burton Houghton Rohrabacher ment of the Interior and related agen- Borski Ehrlich Jackson (IL) Capuano Kennedy (RI) Sanchez cies for the fiscal year ending Sep- Boswell Emerson Jackson-Lee Conyers Larson (CT) Serrano Boucher English (TX) tember 30, 2003, and for other purposes, Crowley Lee Smith (WA) Boyd Eshoo Jefferson with Mr. SIMPSON in the chair. Delahunt Matsui Stark Brady (PA) Etheridge Jenkins Deutsch McCarthy (MO) The Clerk read the title of the bill. Brady (TX) Evans John Tancredo Farr McGovern Udall (NM) The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to the Brown (FL) Everett Johnson (CT) Fattah McKinney Waters rule, the bill is considered as having Brown (OH) Ferguson Johnson (IL) Filner Meeks (NY) Weiner Brown (SC) Flake Johnson, E. B. Gilman Olver been read the first time. Bryant Fletcher Johnson, Sam Under the rule, the gentleman from Burr Foley Jones (NC) ANSWERED ‘‘PRESENT’’—3 New Mexico (Mr. SKEEN) and the gen- Buyer Forbes Jones (OH) Engel Gutierrez Miller, Jeff Callahan Ford Kanjorski tleman from Washington (Mr. DICKS) Calvert Fossella Kaptur NOT VOTING—10 each will control 30 minutes. Camp Frank Keller Blagojevich Hyde Riley The Chair recognizes the gentleman Cannon Frelinghuysen Kelly Bonior Mascara Traficant Cantor Frost Kennedy (MN) from New Mexico (Mr. SKEEN). Hastings (FL) Nadler Capito Gallegly Kerns Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield Hilleary Pascrell Capps Ganske Kildee myself such time as I may consume. Cardin Gekas Kilpatrick b 1715 Mr. Chairman, this is a good bill and Carson (IN) Gephardt Kind (WI) Carson (OK) Gibbons King (NY) Ms. McCARTHY of Missouri and Mr. a generous bill given our Nation’s pri- Castle Gilchrest Kingston DEUTSCH changed their vote from orities since the terrorist attack on Chabot Gillmor Kirk ‘‘yea’’ to ‘‘nay.’’ September 11, 2001. It provides $19.7 bil- Chambliss Gonzalez Kleczka Clay Goodlatte Knollenberg Mr. LANGEVIN changed his vote lion for fiscal year 2003. It increases Clayton Gordon Kolbe from ‘‘nay’’ to ‘‘yea.’’ funds for operating and maintaining Clement Goss Kucinich So (two-thirds having voted in favor our public lands. It increases funding Clyburn Graham LaFalce thereof) the rules were suspended and for Everglades restoration, weatheriza- Coble Granger LaHood Collins Graves Lampson the concurrent resolution, as amended, tion grants, and Native American pro- Combest Green (TX) Langevin was agreed to. grams.

VerDate jun 06 2002 02:12 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00044 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.107 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4721 Funding for the U.S. Geological Sur- The arts are an integral part of our chairman of the Subcommittee on Ag- vey and the National Fire Plan has Nation’s heritage and the arts rep- riculture of the Committee on Appro- been restored and funding for Pay- resent the treasures of our Nation. priations. He did a really good job. He ments in Lieu of Taxes and critical en- They help children learn. Through arts helped to create farm and agriculture ergy research has been increased. education, millions of our children packages that were workable and that I want to thank the subcommittee enter a world where they discover were good for our farming commu- members and the full committee mem- music, drama, dance, as well as the vis- nities. bers for their help in crafting this bill ual arts. Since then, because of term limita- that balances many competing needs. And the arts are not only important tions placed on chairmen, JOE became With the help of my good friend and for cultural enrichment in the edu- chairman of this Subcommittee on the committee ranking member, the gen- cation of our children. From coast to Interior. Last year he produced an ex- tleman from Washington (Mr. DICKS), coast, the arts are economic engines in cellent outstanding interior bill; and the bill maintained past commitments our Nation’s communities. The arts this year once again Chairman JOE Congress has made on important envi- contribute $134 billion a year to our SKEEN, along with his partner, the mi- ronmental programs. economy, according to a recent study. nority ranking member, the gentleman The professional staff of the Sub- And in my hometown of St. Louis, the from Washington (Mr. DICKS), has pro- committee on the Interior of the Com- arts contribute almost $500 million to duced a very good bill. It might not mittee on Appropriations once again the local economy and are a source of satisfy everybody. It might not be has done a superb job on this bill. I employment for thousands of people. enough spending for some. It might be If this amendment passes, funding for would like to take this opportunity to too much for others, but all in all it is the arts and humanities would be in- personally thank Deborah Weatherly, a good bill. And it is a bill that should creased by just $15 million. That is a Loretta Beaumont, Joel Kaplan, Chris get a substantial vote in this House modest increase, but the benefits are Topik, Andria Oliver, and Bob Glasgow. when we finally get to voting on the huge. I think it is time, once and for Mike Stephens on the minority staff bill itself. And as we go through the all, to end the assault on funding the and Lesley Turner on the gentleman amendment process, we will listen to arts that we have seen over the past from Washington’s (Mr. DICKS) per- what Chairman SKEEN has to say be- years. sonal staff have been a great help and cause he is a strong leader on this great to work with. I hope today we can cast a bipartisan decisive vote. I hope we will send a issue. The personal staff of subcommittee But my primary comments were not members also have helped us get this strong signal. I hope we will dem- onstrate that the Congress is com- to be about the bill itself. They were to bill to the floor. be about the chairman who produced I want to extend a special thanks to mitted to enriching our culture and strengthening our education in our the bill and the members of his sub- Paul Ostrowski from my office and Jim committee. He is just a very much-re- Hughes, who left my office a short economy. Jack Kennedy said in 1962 that one of vered member of Congress. He is loved while ago to work at the Department the ‘‘fascinating challenges of these and respected in his own home district. of the Interior, where he will never be days’’ is ‘‘to further the appreciation of I know it is not proper to speak di- heard from again. culture among all the people, to in- rectly to a Member on the floor; but, This is the last bill that I will man- crease respect for the creative indi- JOE, I will tell you that as chairman of age as a member of the Committee on vidual, to widen participation by all the committee I will miss you. You Appropriations. I would like to thank the processes and fulfillment of art.’’ have been a long-time friend. I could all of the current members of the com- Vote ‘‘yes’’ on this important amend- not respect you more than I do. And in mittee as well as the many former ment. Stand for the arts and stand for the most sincere way, let me tell you members with whom I have served over the future of our children and our fami- that as a human being, I love you, JOE the past 18 years. I cannot begin to tell lies. SKEEN. You have been a tremendous, you how much your friendship has Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 tremendous positive effect on this meant to me. minutes to the gentleman from Florida House of Representatives. I want to invite each and every one (Mr. YOUNG), chairman of the House of you to come visit my district in New Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 Committee on Appropriations. minutes to the gentleman from New Mexico, with its great food and wonder- Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chair- ful culture that go together and nat- York (Mr. HINCHEY), a very valued man, I thank the gentleman, the chair- member of the subcommittee. ural resources, as well as our famous man of the subcommittee, for yielding Mr. HINCHEY. Mr. Chairman, first of Roswell aliens from outer space. to me this time. From the Gila Cliff Dwellings to the As I think most of us know, this will all, I want to add my thoughts to those that were just expressed on behalf of White Sands Monument, from the Na- be the last bill that Chairman SKEEN tion’s first wilderness area to the will present to this Congress before he the gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. Carlsbad Caverns, from the Roswell enjoys his well-deserved retirement. I SKEEN). Alien Museum to the Bosque Del think that I can truly say that, of all It has been a great pleasure for me as Apache Wildlife Refuge, from Old the Members in this House, I do not a member of the Committee on Appro- Mesilla, the capital of New Mexico-Ari- know of anyone who is more respected priations to serve under the chairman- zona territory, to the Isleta Indian and more loved by his colleagues. ship of JOE SKEEN, first as chairman of pueblo, and much more, we offer you Those who support and endorse his the Subcommittee on Agriculture, and an experience that you can find no- work, and even those who disagree then second as the Subcommittee on where else. with his work, understand that JOE the Interior. As I have said before on Vaya con Dios. SKEEN is a real statesman, a real gen- this floor, I have never met a more af- Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance tleman, and someone we have come to fable man than JOE SKEEN. He is a de- of my time, and everybody should be learn and trust and respect and love lightful person and an absolute pleas- very thankful of that. over the years. ure to work with. I am going to miss Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I yield JOE came to Congress under an un- him very, very much. such time as he may consume to the usual situation. He was elected as a I also want to say that I strongly gentleman from Missouri (Mr. GEP- write-in candidate. I do not know a lot support the interior appropriations bill HARDT). of people who have come to Congress as before us today and congratulate the (Mr. GEPHARDT asked and was a write-in candidate. It does not hap- gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. given permission to revise and extend pen very often. But JOE SKEEN was SKEEN), the chairman, and the ranking his remarks.) such an overwhelming personality and member, the gentleman from Wash- Mr. GEPHARDT. Mr. Chairman, I such a hard worker in his district that ington (Mr. DICKS), and their staffs for rise to urge Members to vote for the people understood and respected him. crafting this bipartisan bill that will Slaughter-Dicks, amendment which When our party became the majority help protect our natural and culture will be offered later today. party in Congress, JOE became the treasures.

VerDate jun 06 2002 02:12 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00045 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.160 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4722 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 This is dramatic improvement over (Mr. REGULA asked and was given especially pleased by the funding level the administration’s proposal. The ad- permission to revise and extend his re- for the new conservation trust fund, ministration’s budget played a shell marks.) which is consistent with the agreement game with conservation, cutting funds Mr. REGULA. Mr. Chairman, I am that was first worked out on that item from many important Federal accounts pleased to support this bill and point 3 years ago when we converged with to make up an illusionary increase in out that the chairman and the ranking the Senate in conference. The result the Land and Water Conservation member have done a superb job of deal- will be that it again will be fully fund- Fund. ing with something that is our Nation’s ed, and that commitment will be hon- The President’s request would have jewels and that is our parklands. ored. gutted programs protecting urban About a third of America that is pub- I would like to spend the remainder parks, wetlands, heritage and cultural lic lands is fortunate to have the kind of the time simply discussing our good preservation, water quality and forest of leadership that JOE has brought to friend JOE SKEEN. I said in committee research. I am grateful that our sub- this assignment. Being a major land- and I want to say again publicly on the committee rejected the administra- owner in New Mexico himself, he un- floor that many of us are familiar with tion’s approach which would have derstands how vital land is to the Will Rogers’ comment that he never prioritized resource exploitation over health of a Nation and how vital these met a man that he did not like. But as preservation, would have gutted the areas that we preserve are for all of the I said in committee, I do not believe Federal Government’s ability to pro- people. there is ever a person who met JOE tect and acquire nationally-significant I particularly was pleased at the in- SKEEN who did not like JOE SKEEN. lands, and would have abrogated the crease to the backlog maintenance ac- JOE SKEEN has brought to this Cham- Federal responsibility to manage Fed- count because that is a severe problem ber honesty, integrity, straight deal- eral lands by turning this responsi- in our parks, forests and public lands, ings with everyone in this institution. bility over to private interests. and we need to continue to work on re- He has brought to this institution a b 1730 ducing. We have the same problem with love for the processes of democracy, the Smithsonian. and he has brought to this institution I am pleased that the Chairman’s Also, I was pleased to note that he a fundamental decency which shows mark honors our commitment to con- increased the conservation amount be- through in virtually everything that he servation spending by providing the cause, again, conservation is one of the does. full $1.44 billion for the historic con- ways that we can preserve these won- After you serve in this place for a servation programs established by this derful lands for future generations. I while, you get to understand what is subcommittee 2 years ago, an increase note, also, that there is a $96 million behind the partisan label, what is be- of $117 billion or 9 percent over the cur- increase in the Everglades funding. hind the ideological label, and you can rent level. Some of my colleagues might have This program includes important tell whether someone in this House heard me speak on the rule, and I op- funds for Federal land acquisition, puts their ideology first, puts their posed it for the reason that it gives a urban and historic preservation, wet- party label first, or puts their duty to right to exercise a point of order that lands protection and State wildlife this institution first. We can all be par- would take the Secretary of Interior grants. I applaud the Chairman’s ef- out of the loop on the management of tisan, we can all be strongly ideolog- forts on behalf of our national parks. ical from time to time, but in the end, The bill before us today takes a step the Everglades. After all, the Ever- glades is a national park and deserves what this institution needs from each in the right direction to address the and every one of us is respect for the significant funding shortfalls facing the leadership of the Secretary of Inte- rior. The $96 million in this bill, added processes of this institution, respect our national parks, increasing the op- for people who we work with every day, erating budget of the parks by $21 mil- to $1 billion that has been appropriated so far by this subcommittee, makes it and a recognition that from time to lion above the administration’s re- time there is nothing wrong with try- quest. The bill restores cuts that were very clear that the Interior Depart- ment is a player. I hope that those who ing to make the work a little bit easier proposed to the Park Service’s national for each other, and JOE SKEEN has heritage service area, and it fully re- have the right to do this under the rule will not exercise the point of order on brought that attitude to this Chamber stores the $30 million urban parks con- every day that I have known him. servation fund which helps local com- the bill that takes out the Secretary of Interior from a leadership role, along I am proud to have served with him munities meet urban recreation needs. as a colleague, and I am pleased to The bill provides some much-needed with the Corps of Engineers and the have had him as a friend. We wish you direction to the Smithsonian related to South Florida Water Conservation Dis- Godspeed, and I think it is fair to say executive pay and corporate contribu- trict. that there is a great deal of love in this tions. In fiscal year 2001, 70 percent of We will see how it plays out, but the Smithsonian’s budget came from again, JOE, you have been a wonderful Chamber on the part of all of the Mem- appropriated funds from this Congress. member of the subcommittee. We have bers directed to you, JOE, and I hope Only 5 percent of the Smithsonian’s served together for many, many years, you recognize that. funding came from corporations. Un- and I will miss you. I hope you get rain Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 fortunately, while corporations are the out there as a reward when you get minutes to the gentleman from Ari- smallest source of funding, for a price home because even Ohio is dry these zona (Mr. HAYWORTH). the Smithsonian is letting the corpora- days, and we have some sympathy for Mr. HAYWORTH. Mr. Chairman, I tions associate their names with this your problem of the absence of mois- thank the gentleman for yielding me revered institution, and increasingly to ture. We will miss your insights and the time, and I thank my good friend have an influence on what displays are your leadership on this subcommittee. from New Mexico for the recognition promoted. I urge the regents of the You bring it the firsthand knowledge of and for all the work he has done in this Smithsonian to reconsider this deci- how vital all of this is to our Nation’s House and the work that he has done sion, as directed by the report, and cor- future and to the preservation of this on this bill. rect their error. wonderful heritage we call our public I appreciated the comments of the Finally, Mr. Chairman, again to con- lands, and we thank you for that great gentleman from Wisconsin, and though gratulate Joe Skeen on his service as service that you have given us. from time to time we have disagree- chairman of this subcommittee, on his Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 ments, we are in unanimity for our af- service on the Committee on Appro- minutes to the gentleman from Wis- fection toward the affection of the sub- priations, on his service to the State of consin (Mr. OBEY), the distinguished committee and my neighbor from New New Mexico and to the United States ranking member of the Committee on Mexico. of America. It has been a great pleas- Appropriations. Mr. Chairman, I rise and come to the ure to serve with this gentleman. Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I thank well for this time of general debate to Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 the gentleman for the time. make note of the fact that we have minutes to the gentleman from Ohio Let me simply say that, with respect some differences in this, and indeed, (Mr. REGULA). to the bill, that I fully support it. I am there will be an amendment process,

VerDate jun 06 2002 02:12 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00046 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.116 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4723 but I felt it incumbent upon this Mem- I think, Mr. Chairman, what we are this year. This is a modest start, but ber, Mr. Chairman, to come to the well seeing on the floor is the process at one that I am proud of and that the to offer my thinking overall in terms work to help solve the problems. I have committee responded to due to a GAO of this appropriations bill and to clear sat down with the administration. We report in a hearing that we had on this up any misconceptions that may have do need to have the funds, whether in issue this year. been reported by assumption and/or in- this bill or via supplemental. I pledge So I am pleased to be here to support nuendo. to work with the gentleman. I appre- this bill, and I want to also com- The West has been ravaged by wild- ciate the collaborative efforts here to pliment the gentleman from New Mex- fire and the people of the 6th District solve a problem, and it is in that spirit ico (Mr. SKEEN), who has had an out- of Arizona and the White Mountains I come to the well looking forward to standing career, 22 years here. He has have suffered the worst fire disaster in the amendment process and ultimately no enemies in this institution. He only our history, hundreds of homes demol- getting the money to the people who has friends. And he will go back to New ished, thousands of jobs lost. I thank need it most. Mexico and enjoy the good life, as he my friend from Washington State for Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I yield deserves; but I want everyone to know offering some changes that have been myself 4 minutes. that he has been a joy to work with. He added here. In a bipartisan basis, this First of all, I want to join those who has been a friend. We have traveled to- legislation deals with those challenges have complimented our chairman, the gether, particularly on the Sub- and problems. gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. committee on Defense, and I have real- Mr. Chairman, in a perfect world, I SKEEN). He has done a great job as ly enjoyed working with him. We are would love to see it in an emergency chairman of the Subcommittee on the going to miss you, but we are going to supplemental, but there are several Interior, coming after the gentleman fight and get this bill passed. hurdles that may preclude that fact. I from Ohio (Mr. REGULA) who was an- And I want to remind everybody on appreciate, Mr. Chairman, the efforts other outstanding chairman, and I that side of the aisle, this bill is sup- of the administration to offer re- would like to look back to the days of ported by the Bush administration, and programming of funds, but I do not Sid Yates, who was also an outstanding I think that is important. They accept want to see fire suppression or further chairman. the level. They say they would like to fire prevention jeopardized. We have had great leadership and have this trimmed or that trimmed to As I look around this Chamber, I see great bipartisan cooperation on the have money to add back into things my good friend from Michigan and oth- Subcommittee on the Interior, and the they want, but they accept this bill. So ers who share my concern for the chairman properly mentioned all the I hope that the Members on the other rights of the first Americans, and there staff people. I just do not think we side of the aisle will join us in a bipar- will be amendments we will offer to try could have a better staff on both sides tisan spirit and get this bill passed to- and perfect some things that we have a of the aisle than we do on the Sub- night. I hope we can do it in a timely disagreement on, but Mr. Chairman, committee on the Interior. They work way. for my people who have suffered, this with all the Members. They listen to Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance legislation at the end of the day offers everybody’s concerns. This truly is a of my time. me help with that problem. bipartisan bill that deserves the sup- Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I yield 11⁄2 port of this institution. minutes to the gentleman from Vir- minutes to the gentleman from Ari- I see the gentleman from Alaska, my ginia (Mr. WOLF). zona (Mr. HAYWORTH). good friend. I also want to mention Mr. WOLF. Mr. Chairman, I want to Mr. HAYWORTH. Mr. Chairman, I that we are very pleased, for the third thank the chairman; and as a member thank the gentleman from Washington year in a row now we have fulfilled the of the freshman class that we were part State for the time. commitment when we created the con- of, I want to pay tribute to you. God Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, will the servation trust fund a few years ago. bless you, Joe, and your family. We are gentleman yield? When the other body would not enact going to miss you, but we are going to Mr. HAYWORTH. I yield to the gen- the gentleman’s legislation on CARA, stay in touch. You have been a good tleman from Washington. we stepped in, and this year I want my man. God bless, Joe. Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I want the good friend to know that we have Mr. Chairman, there is an amend- gentleman to know, first of all, a cou- taken the money from the original 2000 ment in here that is going to be offered ple of important facts. account, about $680 million, we are up to strike an amendment, which would, One, the statement of administration to $1.44 billion, and the whole, we put I believe, help Indians. Keep in mind policy is here, and it states that they Commerce-Justice-State together with that 80 percent of the Indians in the support the bill. It gets into the ques- Interior, $1.92 billion. So we are keep- United States have received no money tion of $700 million, and one of the ing our commitment and living up to from gambling. None. None. Not one things it says is, ‘‘Nevertheless, should what we said that we would do in the dime. Fifty percent of the gambling Congress seek to add additional contin- days of CARA. So I am proud of that. money has gone to 2 percent of the In- gent emergency funds for fiscal year The gentleman from Ohio (Mr. REG- dians. What are they afraid of? 2002, the proper place for consideration ULA) worked on that. This has been a Among Indians, the poverty level is of this funding is in the context of the bipartisan effort. The gentleman from 26 percent, and yet they do not want a pending emergency supplemental.’’ Wisconsin (Mr. OBEY) was involved. commission to look at it. Health care I am perfectly willing if the con- This has been a bipartisan effort on among Indians, stroke, lung cancer, ference committee on the supplemental creating this conservation trust fund breast cancer, suicide is the highest in appropriations bill would take the $700 that allows us to deal more appro- the Nation; and yet they do not want million. We could get it to the agencies priately with all of these problems. to look at it. The death rates among faster than having it in the 2003 bill be- The other thing I am pleased about Indians is higher in seven categories; cause I know the gentleman’s concern in this bill is an initiative that I took alcoholism, 620 percent higher, and yet is that the Forest Service and the BLM on dealing with the problem in the they do not want to look at it; TB, 533 are running out of money. Yes, they Northwest of culvert replacement. percent higher, and they do not want can do transfers, but it means that all to look at it; diabetes, 249 percent of their other programs suffer because b 1745 higher, and they do not want to look at of that. The forest service and the BLM, have it. And on and on and on. So we are trying to get this money not been doing a good job in replacing I would urge the defeat of the amend- out there, and I have never been so culverts that block salmon, from being ment that is going to be offered by the frustrated. Maybe somebody could tell able to go up and down the Columbia gentleman from Michigan and the gen- Mr. Daniels that there is fire in the River, up and down all the rivers in the tleman from Arizona. My amendment West and we need this help. Pacific Northwest. There are about to strike is a good amendment. There Mr. HAYWORTH. Mr. Chairman, I 5,000 of these culverts that need to be are people on the commission on both thank my friend for the time. replaced, and we have to start on that sides, those who are for gambling and

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:33 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00047 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.121 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4724 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 those who are against gambling. We merce, State, and Justice and other ap- that we cannot move forward, here is have an opportunity to bring economic propriation bills by several billion dol- an opportunity to put a lot of the great development, good housing, good lars to comply with the budget resolu- research forward that we need in terms health care, and good education for the tion. I hope that Members of the Com- of our national energy policy. There is Indians. I urge the defeat of the amend- mittee on Budget and the Committee money for the first Americans, Native ment if it is offered. on Appropriations, as well as col- Americans, in the Bureau of Indian Af- If my colleagues really care about In- leagues on both sides of the aisle, will fairs. We have a lot more money for dians, what are you afraid of? What are work together to pass the remaining tribal health services and a lot of need- you afraid of, an 18 month commission bills at the levels that are sustainable ed issues that they have. There is to look back and make recommenda- through the entire appropriations proc- money for the PILT grants, payment in tions? What are you afraid of? Let us ess. lieu of taxes, and something for our do something to help the Indians. Let We just heard a report today by the local governments. us defeat their amendment and keep Office of Management and Budget on the language we have in the bill. the midsession review for the budget This bill has a lot of great stuff for Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, how much and for the deficit that we are cur- our national environmental policy, and time do we have remaining? rently operating under. Spending re- so I strongly support it and join my The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman straint is the only way to get out of colleagues on a bipartisan basis to from Washington (Mr. DICKS) has 171⁄2 the dire circumstance that we find our- move it forward today. minutes remaining, and the gentleman selves in. I urge our colleagues to con- Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 from New Mexico (Mr. SKEEN) has 161⁄2 tinue to be responsible as we work minutes to the gentleman from Cali- minutes remaining. through this process, and I urge sup- fornia (Mr. CUNNINGHAM). Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I reserve port for this appropriations bill. the balance of my time. Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Mr. Chairman, it Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Geor- is not very often in a body like this minutes to the gentleman from Iowa gia (Mr. KINGSTON). that we get to honor someone like JOE (Mr. NUSSLE). Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Chairman, I SKEEN. (Mr. NUSSLE asked and was given thank the gentleman for yielding me I remember Mr. Natcher. I was a permission to revise and extend his re- this time, and I first want to join all young freshman Member of Congress in marks.) my colleagues on both sides of the aisle the minority; and I was upset, like I Mr. NUSSLE. Mr. Chairman, first of in saying what a great chairman and a am about the Wolf portion of this bill all, I want to congratulate the gen- great Representative JOE SKEEN has today that is a strike against Native tleman from New Mexico on a fine job been. I have enjoyed working with him Americans, and I was so upset I re- of putting this appropriation bill to- and serving on his Subcommittee on member Bill Natcher said, ‘‘Well, gether. the Interior, as well as the Sub- Duke, in Kentucky, we have horse As the chairman of the House Com- committee on Agriculture, Rural De- races. And sometimes those horses mittee on the Budget, I am pleased to velopment, Food and Drug Administra- come out of the block so fast that they report that this bill is consistent with tion and Related Agencies of the Com- break their legs and we have to shoot the House concurrent resolution for mittee on Appropriations. I do not them.’’ And he says, ‘‘If the gentleman the budget for fiscal year 2003, includ- think a finer gentleman has ever been will settle down, I will help him with ing the levels expressed in the sub- in the United States Congress. his amendment.’’ Bill Natcher was like committee’s 302(b) allocation. The lev- I was very glad that this committee, that, and JOE SKEEN is the same way. els of conservation-related spending in on a bipartisan basis, joined together He is a gentleman, and he works in a the bill are also consistent with the to honor him with an appropriate trib- bipartisan fashion. You will be missed statutory caps. ute to him in the form of a visitor’s here, JOE; but we will not forget you. So I will support this appropriations center. bill, but I would like to share with my I want to say also, Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the Hayworth colleagues one concern and a warning that this bill can be a very difficult bill amendment. There was a gentleman on about the process. The bill designates because we are 435 independent type-A the Republican side that offered an $700 million for emergency wildland personalities in this body, with geo- amendment in committee that was leg- fire suppression for 2002. We are all graphical differences, philosophical dif- islating on an appropriations bill. That concerned about the wildfires that ferences and, then provincial dif- is supposed to be against the rules, and have destroyed lives and property in ferences which can sometimes split us yet the Committee on Rules protected Arizona, Colorado and elsewhere. How- up. But this bill, in a final product, is his amendment. That is wrong. We ever, if the money is urgently needed cobbled together and is a kaleidoscope stopped Members’ amendments on the to meet a current unanticipated emer- of philosophies and attempts to do a other side. The gentleman from Wis- gency, the fiscal year 2002 supple- lot of difficult things with about a $19 consin (Mr. OBEY) knows and objects to mental is the more appropriate vehicle billion budget, a budget which I will legislating on an appropriations bill. to pursue this objective; and I would say, although is slightly higher, is only We do it from time to time, but it does urge that approach by my colleagues in about 2 percent higher than the fund- not make it right. And that is the fact the House, the other body, and the ad- ing for last year. I wish we could hold with regard to this process. ministration. the line on all Federal funding to that What we are doing as Republicans is Overall, I would also like to mention modest 2 percent increase. But we have adding a brand-new bureaucracy that some concerns I have with the direc- Members on both sides of the aisle who oversees Indian gaming, when there tion of the process for appropriations. have demanded more studies, more has been report after report after re- While this bill is within its 302(b) allo- land acquisition, and more increases; port. This would be just another bu- cation, it is approximately $700 million and so that is one of the reasons why reaucracy where a report is written more than comparable levels in the the bill is higher than last year. that sits on a dusty shelf. Instead, let President’s budget. In addition, the Ag- But this bill has good stuff for the us take that money and put it toward riculture, Treasury Postal appropria- National Park Service, catching us up Native American health care or edu- tion bills that we are expected to see on maintenance. It has money for fire- cation centers. We have been told there on the floor later this week are also fighting, both for clearing out forests is only a 2 percent increase. $700 million more than the President’s and putting more money in for emer- request and our resolution. gency firefighting. There is money for Let us support the Hayworth amend- At this rate, we are going to have to energy research. At a time when we ment when it comes up and fight, for reduce spending for VA–HUD, Com- have a stalled bill in the other body once, for Native Americans.

VerDate jun 06 2002 04:30 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00048 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.125 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4725 Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 citizenry. The Federal contribution of and the members on the committee for minutes to the gentlewoman from each U.S. taxpayer barely exceeds the supporting a number of our New Jersey Maryland (Mrs. MORELLA). cost of a single first class postage priorities. Mrs. MORELLA. Mr. Chairman, I stamp. Funding for the arts recognizes At my request, this bill contains con- thank the gentleman for yielding me and encourages artistic achievement tinued funding for the preservation of this time; but I also rise in tribute to and sustains our national tradition of New Jersey’s highlands, one of New JOE SKEEN, who is a wonderful states- excellence. Let us support this amend- Jersey’s most threatened and impor- man, a very good friend, a man of in- ment. It is a sound investment in our tant watersheds. This bill provides, tegrity who worked across the aisle in Nation’s cultural heritage, as well as through the gentleman’s efforts, $6.3 the best interest of civility and in the our economic prosperity. million in critical funding for land pur- best interest of the people of the Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 chases within this area. It also builds United States of America. I salute you, minutes to the gentleman from Amer- on our past successes at the Morris- JOE SKEEN; and I hope that you, as a ican Samoa (Mr. FALEOMAVAEGA), a town National Historic Park and the role model, will carry on through the strong supporter of this committee’s Great Swamp National Wildlife Refuge. rest of us in this House of Representa- activities. I thank the gentleman for his support tives. (Mr. FALEOMAVAEGA asked and and the committee’s support for the In addition to that, Mr. Chairman, I was given permission to revise and ex- New Jersey priorities. rise in strong support of an amendment tend his remarks.) Mrs. ROUKEMA. Mr. Chairman, today we that is going to be offered to this bill. Mr. FALEOMAVAEGA. Mr. Chair- will complete work on the Interior Appropria- It is the Slaughter-Dicks-Horn-John- man, I stand to object to the proposed tions Act. I am pleased that this bill includes son-Morella amendment, and it would provision in the appropriations for 2003, $6.3 million for preservation of lands in the increase funding for the National En- the Interior appropriations bill, and I New Jersey Highlands region. This is great dowment for the Arts by $10 million express my strong support to the news for the residents of New Jersey. Preser- and the National Endowment for the amendment offered by our authorizing vation of the Highlands region is critical to our Humanities by $5 million. committee, the gentleman from West fight to maintain the quality of our ground and As a long-time member of the Con- Virginia (Mr. RAHALL), the gentleman surface drinking water sources, to preserve gressional Member Organization for from Michigan (Mr. KILDEE), and the open spaces and protect the wildlife. the Arts, I really was not at all sur- gentleman from Arizona (Mr. The Highlands region encompasses more than 2,000,000 acres extending from eastern prised by a recently released study HAYWORTH), and this is in reference to which provides hard evidence that the the establishment of a commission Pennsylvania through New Jersey and New York to northwestern Connecticut. A wide di- arts improve critical skills in math, with reference to needs of Native versity of significant rare and endangered reading, language development, and Americans. plants, animals and ecosystems, as well as writing. Mr. Chairman, I will not question Members’ motives and wanting to give historical structures and developments, exist in 1800 b assistance to Native American Indians, this beautiful region. The Highlands also pro- The study, entitled Critical Links, but this provision goes too far. The vides clean drinking water to over 11,000,000 shows that children who learn to use provision will limit billions of dollars people in metropolitan areas in all four states. certain musical instruments develop of claims against the Federal Govern- Over half of New Jersey residents rely on spatial reasoning skills, which are nec- ment for mismanaging Indian trust drinking water from Highland sources. Continued federal funding for the Highlands essary to understand and use mathe- funds by limiting the accounting from is a big win for northern New Jersey. In north- matics. 1985 forward. ern New Jersey, an area of such dense popu- Additionally, another study reports Further, the provisions will presume lation, we treasure our open spaces. The that the nonprofit arts industry is a the balances as of 1985 were correct, Highlands region is truly a natural—and na- $134 billion economic engine, creating even though the government admits tional—treasure, threatened by continuing de- over 4 million jobs, $89 billion in house- that money has been mismanaged for velopment. This commitment from the federal hold income, $6.6 billion in local gov- decades. The provision would overturn government is an important step in the contin- ernment tax revenues, $7 billion in a central provision of the American In- ued fight of our communities to protect these State government tax revenues and $10 dian Trust Management Reform Act, billion in Federal income tax revenues. open spaces. legislation enacted in 1994 requiring The proposed funding of the New Jersey That is quite a listing of revenue that the Secretary of the Interior to provide Highlands would allow for the purchase of ad- is saved. a full accounting. We have already ex- ditional land in the region, including desig- The nonprofit arts, unlike most in- pended over $20 million plus even try- nating $2.3 million for the expansion of the dustries, leverage significant amounts ing to get an auditing report from the Wallkill River National Wildlife Refuge. The of event-related spending by their audi- Department of Interior which they people of the northern New Jersey will truly ences. Attendance at arts events gen- have failed to do. see the effects of these well-allocated federal erates related commerce for hotels, We owe the Native Americans. It is funds. restaurants, parking garages and more. their money. We were the trustees, and This is not only an accomplishment in the Statistics illustrate that the average we failed in that responsibility. I urge preservation of this beautiful land, but also in person spends $22.87 at arts events Members to support this proposed the protection of water sources for 3.5 million which generates into an estimated $80 amendment that will be given at a New Jersey residents. Additionally, we are billion of valuable revenue for local later point by the gentleman from committing $5 million for the Delaware Water merchants and their communities. The West Virginia (Mr. RAHALL), the gen- Gap National Recreation Area for the preser- National Endowment for the Arts and tleman from Michigan (Mr. KILDEE) vation and restoration of historic buildings— the National Endowment for the Hu- and the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. many of which are in desperate need of re- manities support the creation and pres- HAYWORTH). pair. ervation of our Nation’s artistic and Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 At times of extreme budget constraints, the cultural heritage, including learning minute to the gentleman from New House’s action today underscores the national opportunities for adults and children in Jersey (Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN). significance of these important regions. I communities across the country. I spe- Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN. Mr. Chair- would like to commend Congressman RODNEY cifically want to mention local arts or- man, I thank the gentleman from New FRELINGHUYSEN, a member of the Appropria- ganizations in Montgomery County, Mexico (Mr. SKEEN) for his work on tions Subcommittee, who worked hard to see Maryland which support over 800 full- this bill. that these federal dollars became a reality for time jobs, and last year alone gen- In my home State of New Jersey, the the people of New Jersey. erated over $15 million in household in- most densely populated State of the Mr. ISSA. Mr. Chairman, I had intended to come and contributed over $1 million Nation, the preservation of open space offer an amendment today to withhold funds to State and local tax base. is a top public priority. That is why I from the Government of American Samoa to Mr. Chairman, public investment in am especially grateful to the gen- protest the treatment of one of my constitu- the arts benefits our Nation and its tleman from New Mexico (Mr. SKEEN) ents.

VerDate jun 06 2002 04:30 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00049 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 9920 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.128 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4726 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 In January of 1997 a constituent of mine completed General Management Plan. This Pursuant to the rule, the bill shall be signed a special services employment contract level of funding is needed for planning of a considered for amendment under the 5- with the government of American Samoa as visitors center and for design of exhibits. minute rule and the amendment print- Executive Director of the Centennial 2000 pro- Homestead National Monument of America ed in House Report 107–577 is adopted. gram. commemorates the lives and accomplishments During consideration of the bill for In August of 2000 he was informed by the of all pioneers and the changes to the land amendment, the Chair may accord pri- Governor’s office that his employment and and the people as a result of the Homestead ority in recognition to a Member offer- contract had been terminated. As a result re- Act of 1862, which is recognized as one of the ing an amendment that he has printed imbursements, per diem, travel expenses, and most important laws in U.S. history. This in the designated place in the CONGRES- salary were never fully paid under the terms of Monument was authorized by legislation en- SIONAL RECORD. Those amendments the contract. To date, he is still owed $87,942 acted in 1936. The fiscal year 1996 Interior will be considered read. by the government of American Samoa for Appropriations legislation directed the National The Clerk will read. services rendered. Park Service to complete a General Manage- The Clerk read as follows: I have pleaded with Governor Sunia to pro- ment Plan to begin planning for improvements H.R. 5093 vide me with information necessary to make at Homestead. The General Management Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Rep- an independent judgment on my constituent’s Plan, which was completed last year, made resentatives of the United States of America in case. I have also requested that the Office of recommendations for improvements that are Congress assembled, That the following sums Insular Affairs withhold appropriate funds from needed to help ensure that Homestead is able are appropriated, out of any money in the the government of American Samoa until my to reach its full potential as a place where Treasury not otherwise appropriated, for the constituent’s claims are resolved. All my ef- Americans can more effectively appreciate the Department of the Interior and related agen- forts to resolve this issue with the government Homestead Act and its effects upon the na- cies for the fiscal year ending September 30, of American Samoa have been unsuccessful. tion. 2003, and for other purposes, namely: Mr. Chairman, I was hesitant to bring these Homestead National Monument of America TITLE I—DEPARTMENT OF THE amendments to the floor but I felt that the ap- is truly a unique treasure among the National INTERIOR propriations process may be my only avenue Park Service jewels. The authorizing legisla- BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT to resolve this issue. Earlier today I was tion makes it clear that Homestead was in- MANAGEMENT OF LANDS AND RESOURCES pleased to learn that my constituent was given tended to have a special place among Park For expenses necessary for protection, use, an appointment with Governor Sunia to dis- Service units. According to the original legisla- improvement, development, disposal, cadas- cuss this issue. I hope that a reasonable and tion: tral surveying, classification, acquisition of just solution will result from their meeting and I shall be the duty of the Secretary of the easements and other interests in lands, and for this reason I will not be offering my amend- Interior to lay out said land in a suitable and performance of other functions, including maintenance of facilities, as authorized by ment. enduring manner so that the same may be maintained as an appropriate monument to law, in the management of lands and their Mr. BEREUTER. Mr. Chairman, this Mem- resources under the jurisdiction of the Bu- ber would like to commend the distinguished retain for posterity a proper memorial em- blematic of the hardships and the pioneer reau of Land Management, including the gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. SKEEN), the life through which the early settlers passed general administration of the Bureau, and Chairman of the Interior Appropriations Sub- in the settlement, cultivation, and civiliza- assessment of mineral potential of public committee, and the distinguished gentleman tion of the great West. It shall be his duty to lands pursuant to Public Law 96–487 (16 from Washington (Mr. DICKS), the Ranking erect suitable buildings to be used as a mu- U.S.C. 3150(a)), $826,932,000, to remain avail- Member of the Subcommittee, for their excep- seum in which shall be preserved literature able until expended, of which $1,000,000 is for applying to such settlement and agricultural high priority projects which shall be carried tional work in bringing this bill to the Floor. out by the Youth Conservation Corps, de- This Member recognizes that extremely tight implements used in bringing the western plains to its present state of high civiliza- fined in section 250(c)(4)(E) of the Balanced budgetary constraints made the job of the Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act Subcommittee much more difficult this year. tion, and to use the said tract of land for such other objects and purposes as in his of 1985, as amended, for the purposes of such Therefore, the Subcommittee is to be com- judgment may perpetuate the history of this Act; of which $2,228,000 shall be available for mended for its diligence in creating such a fis- country mainly developed by the homestead assessment of the mineral potential of public cally responsible measure. In light of these law. lands in Alaska pursuant to section 1010 of Public Law 96–487 (16 U.S.C. 3150); and of budgetary pressures, this Member would like Clearly, this authorizing legislation sets to express his appreciation to all the members which not to exceed $1,000,000 shall be de- some lofty goals. I believe that the funding in- rived from the special receipt account estab- of the Subcommittee and formally recognize cluded in this bill will begin the process of re- lished by the Land and Water Conservation that the Interior appropriations bill for fiscal alizing these goals. Act of 1965, as amended (16 U.S.C. 460l–6a(i)); year 2003 includes funding for several projects Also, this Member is most pleased that this and of which $3,000,000 shall be available in that are of great importance to Nebraska. bill contains an appropriation of $8,241,000 to fiscal year 2003 subject to a match by at This Member is very pleased that the bill in- complete construction of the replacement facil- least an equal amount by the National Fish cludes $400,000 from the U.S. Geological Sur- ity for the Indian Health Service (IHS) hospital and Wildlife Foundation, to such Foundation for cost-shared projects supporting conserva- vey-Biological Division for the establishment of located in Winnebago, Nebraska. It has cer- a new fish and wildlife cooperative research tion of Bureau lands and such funds shall be tainly been a long process and this Member advanced to the Foundation as a lump sum unit at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. This would like to thank the Subcommittee for its grant without regard to when expenses are Member has requested funding for this coop- invaluable assistance over the years in obtain- incurred; in addition, $32,696,000 for Mining erative research unit each year since 1990! ing funding for this new hospital, which is Law Administration program operations, in- The University of Nebraska and the Nebraska much needed and will greatly benefit Native cluding the cost of administering the mining Game and Parks Commission has already Americans in Nebraska and the adjacent claim fee program; to remain available until committed funds and facilities for the unit, but states of Iowa and South Dakota. expended, to be reduced by amounts col- a Federal earmark of $400,000 is needed to Again Mr. Chairman, this Member com- lected by the Bureau and credited to this ap- propriation from annual mining claim fees make it a reality. mends the distinguished gentleman from New Nebraska’s strategic location presents sev- so as to result in a final appropriation esti- Mexico (Mr. SKEEN), the Chairman of the Inte- mated at not more than $826,932,000, and eral very special research opportunities, par- rior Appropriations Subcommittee, and the dis- $2,000,000, to remain available until ex- ticularly relating to migratory birds. However, tinguished gentleman from Washington (Mr. pended, from communication site rental fees Nebraska is one of the few states without a DICKS), the Ranking Member of the Sub- established by the Bureau for the cost of ad- fish and wildlife cooperative research unit with- committee, for their support of projects which ministering communication site activities: in the state. Locating a cooperative research are important to Nebraska and the 1st Con- Provided, That appropriations herein made unit in Nebraska to develop useful information gressional District. shall not be available for the destruction of relating to these issues upon which to base Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I have no healthy, unadopted, wild horses and burros critical management decisions is an urgent in the care of the Bureau or its contractors: further requests for time, and I yield Provided further, That of the amount pro- need. back the balance of my time. vided, $43,028,000 is for conservation spending This Member is also pleased that Home- Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I yield category activities pursuant to 251(c) of the stead National Monument of America receives back the balance of my time. Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit $300,000 under this legislation to begin imple- The CHAIRMAN. All time for general Control Act of 1985, as amended, for the pur- menting the recommendations of the recently debate has expired. poses of discretionary spending limits.

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:27 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00050 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\A16JY7.025 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4727 AMENDMENT OFFERED BY MR. TOOMEY ess, a concern that some of these Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I move to Mr. TOOMEY. Mr. Chairman, I offer smaller bills have been added to make strike the last word. an amendment. them easier to pass, but making it Mr. Chairman, I rise in very strong The Clerk read as follows: harder to pass the final ones. I think opposition to this amendment. First of Amendment offered by Mr. TOOMEY: this is a very serious concern. all, this amendment would cut $162 On page 2, line 13, insert after the dollar The fact is in recent years, spending million. It is a 20 percent reduction, amount ‘‘(reduced by $162,254,000)’’. has been out of control. The Federal $149 million below the President’s Mr. TOOMEY. Mr. Chairman, I would Government has grown much faster budget request. Remember, the Presi- like to begin this discussion with just a than the rate of inflation, much faster dent of the United States in his state- brief commendation of my own for the than the rate of economic growth of ment of administration policy says he gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. our country. In fact, in recent years it supports this bill. SKEEN) who has provided such a great has approached an average rate of 9 It would cut $6.8 million from wildlife service to his constituents, to his percent per year. When that happens, and fisheries, $21.4 million from energy State, and to America for many, many the Federal Government is squeezing development, $19 million from trans- years. I think it is appropriate and fit- out the private sector, it is under- portation on Federal lands, $15 million ting that he was recognized for the out- mining the performance of our econ- from resource protection. standing work that he has done over omy, and it is very harmful for our fu- As our former colleague, Silvio many years. ture because now, sadly, it is also con- Conte, would say, this is nothing but a I am sure that very much of what is tributing to a deficit. meat-ax approach by Members who in this bill I would be happy to agree We worked so hard for so many years have not read the bill, and their only with. And let me start with recognition to get this budget in balance, and we possible course is to do across-the- that the funds that are in here to fight did it. We started paying down the board cuts rather than make specific the forest fires are an important topic debt. We did that, Mr. Chairman, by re- cuts. for us to consider. First of all, there is straining spending. When spending is I rise in opposition, and I urge that no question this has been a devastating out of control, we will stay in deficits we vote down the amendment and season for forest fires. It has been in- and go deeper in deficits. We learned move along. credibly costly, and devastating to just yesterday that we are now facing Mr. FLAKE. Mr. Chairman, I move to many Americans. for fiscal year 2002 a budget deficit of strike the requisite number of words. The point I want to make is we about $165 billion. There is a reason for Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the should not be putting this into this that. We are fighting a war. We have amendment. I have a holding here. It is bill, an appropriation bill for fiscal got a war that is extremely costly. We called the Arizona Media Advisory, year 2003. We should be putting this have to rebuild the defense capabilities sent out by the Committee on Appro- into the supplemental bill, which is of our Nation from years of neglect. We priations to my home State. As Mem- long overdue, which would make the need to put a lot of money into defense. bers know, Arizona has lost about funds available much sooner, whatever That is appropriate. 450,000 acres to fire over the past the appropriate amount is. That is We also have vulnerabilities here. We month. what we ought to be doing with the have vulnerabilities to future terrorist b 1815 firefighting, and I think some Members attacks, and we need to spend money on the other side of the aisle and our to enhance ourselves to defend our- What this media advisory says, and I side probably agree with that. selves against those attacks, or to re- will not mention the other names in- But the bigger issue is the path that spond, God forbid, if they should occur. cluded in there, ‘‘Representative FLAKE we are on, the path that this bill takes These are big expenses, and we have Works to Slash Firefighting Funds.’’ us down, in terms of overall spending. to accept them. It is all the more rea- We all know why the firefighting That is a path that will bust the budget son that we have to tighten our belts in funds were put in there. It was to si- that we adopted in this House, a budget the other areas so we can get back to lence people from the West who have which we later confirmed with a deem- the budget surpluses that we want to opposition to the runaway spending in ing resolution on this floor, and a return to. If we keep spending too this bill. This was sent out to the budget that the President has indi- much money, we will never get there. media in Arizona hoping that that cated that he fully supports. The reason we are in the dilemma we would silence me and others who had The gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. are in today, we have built the spend- opposition to the higher spending in OBEY) I think very accurately agreed ing base up too high, and now we are this bill. Well, it will not. I think it is with my assessment. In his comments adding to it. a horrible thing, and it is dirty politics during the discussion of rule, he talked Mr. Chairman, I have offered an at its worst to do this kind of thing; about the fact that the big bills, the amendment that simply says let us but let me say for the record that we bills that are in many ways more dif- take a management fund, funds that have suffered a huge loss in Arizona. ficult to pass, they have been rather are used to pay salaries and other ad- There is need for funding to fight fires. low-balled, certainly with respect to ministrative costs for the Bureau of That ought to be handled in a supple- the President’s request. Funds have Land Management, and let us reduce mental appropriation bill, not here. been taken from them and added to that back down to the level it would be Those funds will be needed now, not these earlier bills, the bills like Inte- at today if only we had grown spending later. rior and Agriculture and Treasury- on this account since 1996 at the rate of This bill, if we look at the last 4 Postal. By loading up these bills, he inflation. In other words, if we said the years, the soonest it has been passed, I can probably pass them because bills rate of inflation is an appropriate believe, is October 4, or October 21. The are easier to pass with the more spend- spending increase each and every year, latest is November. So if this money is ing there is. we would be at the level that I am pro- not going to be available, anyway, why But the problem is we will get to the posing in my amendment. Instead, we are we doing it now? The answer is end of this cycle, and we will find, as are much higher than that in the un- simple. It is to silence those who want the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. derlying bill. My amendment would to stand up and say that we are engag- OBEY) observed, that we do not have have the effect of reducing spending by ing in runaway spending. the votes to pass those bills. Now the $162,254,000, bringing us that much clos- I appreciated the comments of the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. OBEY) er to getting this budget in balance and gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. OBEY) and I would probably disagree what we getting back to the surpluses that we earlier. He hit the nail right on the ought to do about this dilemma, but we ought to return to. head. What we are doing here is we are agree that we have a fundamental di- Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I rise in plussing up, porking up the early bills lemma here. opposition to the amendment. after defense and military construc- I would suggest that the chairman of Mr. Chairman, the Bureau of Land tion. We see here from the chart we are the Committee on the Budget confirm Management is the last well-funded well above the President’s request on that he has a concern about this proc- land managing agency in this bill. these three; but lo and behold, when we

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:27 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00051 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.132 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4728 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 get to the end of the appropriation tion, Mr. Chairman. To think that we the 100 amendments or so that have trail, then we are well below. Does any- have passed through recession, through been drafted is cutting rural America. body think for a minute that these an attack on our Nation and through Rural America is economically strug- bills at the end of the process can even war and yet if we will but tighten our gling. The national parks, very much a get out of committee? The gentleman belts in this institution and live up to part of rural America’s economy, man- from Wisconsin does not believe so on that which we have committed our- age 90 million acres. The forest service the minority side and neither do I. I do selves to in the budget, that we can re- manages 192 million acres. The Fish not think that anybody in this body turn to surpluses within the next 2 and Wildlife Service manages 85 mil- reasonably believes that those bills can years. The analysis indicates, however, lion acres. The Bureau of Land Man- actually get out of committee, let that if we continue to increase spend- agement, which this amendment goes alone pass on the floor. ing at 5 percent-plus a year, enact a to, manages 262 million acres and And so what we are participating in prescription drug bill that I supported makes those properties available to the here is a charade. We passed a budget, and many of us supported as necessary American public so the American pub- and as Republicans we ought to stick in this time and concurrent receipts for lic can enjoy nature, can enjoy recre- to it. We know that if we engage and veterans, both of which have passed the ation and can enjoy the natural re- we go forward with this bill, we will House, that we will be in deficit for 9 sources that come from there. not be able to stick to that budget. out of the next 10 years. This is the This bill deals with the special re- That is the objection I have, and that contemporary analysis of the adminis- sponsibility we have to Native Ameri- is why I am supporting this amend- tration and experts in this community. cans, our Indians. This bill deals with ment, and we ought to support every This amendment simply makes an at- energy R&D and our future. The econ- amendment that would bring the level tempt to reduce the budget for the Bu- omy of this country depends on the fu- of spending down so that we can actu- reau of Land Management to the 1996 ture of energy and how we use it wisely ally get back to the budget that we level, plus inflation. The current pro- and what alternative energies we come passed, get back out of deficit spend- jection is a 24 percent increase. I would to. This is what this bill will fund. This ing, get back to surpluses and get back simply argue that this is not the time bill finally, not completely, but funds to doing what we ought to do here. for us to respond to the impulse of gen- PILT more fairly. That is Payment in Mr. PENCE. Mr. Chairman, I move to erosity in the appropriations process. Lieu of Taxes. All this land I men- strike the requisite number of words. Rather, now is the time for us to recog- tioned, we have never paid our taxes to Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong sup- nize the time of national duress that is the local governments, to the local port of the amendment. truly upon us. people. This bill funds the geological POINT OF ORDER And so I rise tonight in support of service that does natural resource Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I have a the amendment of the gentleman from science for America. The Smithsonian point of order. Does the chart have to Pennsylvania. I will continue so long Institution. This is the bill that deals be taken down when the person who as my energy holds out to rise into the with rural America. speaks is no longer speaking? evening and to rise into the morning We are going tonight to be hit with The CHAIRMAN. If the gentleman and maybe into the daylight tomorrow dozens and dozens of amendments tak- from Indiana is not using that chart, to stand for the simple principle that if ing a cut out of rural America. I will then it should be taken down. The gen- you owe debts, pay debts, that govern- rise to oppose them, because rural tleman from Indiana can use that chart ment ought to live within its means America needs a break. Rural America if he so chooses. just like every American, like those in needs to be treated more fairly. This is Mr. DICKS. Is the gentleman from Anderson, Indiana, families today who the one bill, one of two, agriculture Indiana using the chart? maybe face, some 700 in number, losing and interior, that deal with rural Mr. PENCE. Yes. their jobs at the Delphi plant in these America that is being targeted for Mr. DICKS. I thank the gentleman. uncertain economic times. Now is not these cuts that I think is unfair. It is Mr. PENCE. I thank the gentleman the time for us to live beyond our not well thought out; $162 million out for the opportunity to clarify my chart means. of management of one agency is not usage. We likely, Mr. Chairman, will And so I will apply myself to this well thought out. see this chart frequently tonight as we process and trust that my colleagues For that reason, I oppose this amend- have conversation one with another on both sides of the aisle will see the ment. I urge those offering it to think about fiscal responsibility. sincerity of our purpose and urge my more clearly about the impact they Let me begin tonight by joining so colleagues to support the amendment. will have on the part of America that many others in commending Chairman Mr. PETERSON of Pennsylvania. Mr. is struggling the most economically, SKEEN, whose integrity, whose career, Chairman, I move to strike the req- rural America. whose commitment to public service uisite number of words. Mr. HOEKSTRA. Mr. Chairman, I represents a gold standard in the House I first would like to open my com- move to strike the requisite number of of Representatives. I am honored to be ments with my thoughts of Chairman words. able to say that I have served here for SKEEN. He is an absolute gentleman. He Twice now the House has voted to set a time with him. is the epitome of what a legislator an overall discretionary spending level Mr. Chairman, it is not about chal- ought to be. I have had two staff people of $748 billion for fiscal year 2003. As we lenging either the chairman or any that worked for him for a number of begin the appropriations process, we member of this committee on either years, and they have shared with me so begin to put in place the pieces that side of the aisle’s sincerity in attempt- many times what a wonderful man he will enable us to either hit that target ing to address the needs of this Nation was to work with and how well he or to miss that target. in this important legislation. It is trained them. I thank the gentleman POINT OF ORDER more, Mr. Chairman, in this amend- for allowing me to have two of his ex- Mr. DICKS. Point of order, Mr. Chair- ment and in other amendments that staff people who served me very well. man. Does the gentleman want this will very likely be offered before the Mr. Chairman, I rise tonight to op- chart? evening is out, before we may well be pose this amendment. The interior bill Mr. HOEKSTRA. Mr. Chairman, is into the morning hours tomorrow, it is is the one bill in Congress that invests this coming out of my time? more about trying to live within our in rural America. Rural America. I rep- The CHAIRMAN. No. means. resent the most rural district east of Mr. HOEKSTRA. This is not coming The administration just recently this the Mississippi. Everybody thinks that out of my time? Yes. week indicated that if we will control when you invest in rural America, you Mr. DICKS. Could we see it? We can- spending, read that line within the are talking about agriculture. That is not even see it over here. budget that was adopted by resolution true. But agriculture only impacts 10 Mr. HOEKSTRA. We were pointing it in this House, that we can return to percent of rural Americans. Ninety per- over here so our colleagues could see it surpluses within the next 2 years. That cent of rural Americans are not in- more, but we would be more than will- is a remarkable observation and asser- volved in agriculture. So this bill and ing to have you see it as well.

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:27 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00052 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.136 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4729 Mr. DICKS. I thank the gentleman. the ways, the most direct way that we and leasing is very important. Leasing We wanted to make sure we could see can do this through this body is by con- for timber harvests, leasing for grazing it. trolling spending. That is 100 percent permits, leasing for oil and gas. All of Mr. HOEKSTRA. I would also like to within our control. We should lower that cannot be permitted until we have commend my colleague, the gentleman these bills to the President’s request, good land management plans. from New Mexico (Mr. SKEEN), for his or we should move the other bills first So right now, what is happening is tremendous service to the House, to to show that we have the discipline to that the Secretary of the Interior is the people of his district and to his pass spending bills that are below the getting sued because environmental State. He is a great colleague and has President’s request. groups and groups who are not really done tremendous work here and I think This bill is about $1 billion above last concerned about the land, but more has done tremendous work on the Com- year, a more than 5 percent increase. concerned about the encroachment of mittee on Appropriations. That is more than twice the rate of in- that evil free enterprise system which As we take a look at putting the flation. The Committee bill is $775 mil- seems to be a problem with many mem- pieces together for these 13 appropria- lion above the President’s request. If bers of our society today, this allows a tions bills, we see that the House has we had held over the last 8 years’ balance between protecting the land on put a marker out there of $748 billion. spending on this bill at roughly the the Federal ledger and yet allowing the The other body has yet to pass a budg- rate of inflation, this bill would be 30 private enterprise to utilize this land, et. President Bush has endorsed the percent smaller than what we see which was the original intent. House-spending level and indicated in today. We have lots of land in America that numerous speeches that he will use his The administration has also clearly is locked up and cannot be used for any veto if necessary to enforce the House indicated that the best way to get back purpose except for wilderness, and discretionary spending level. Why is to surplus is to control spending. We some of that not even for recreational this important? It is important because cannot continue to increase spending purposes. This land, though, is not in this year we are back in deficit. What at 5 plus percent per year. If we in- that category. But to be able to permit we really want to do is we want to crease spending at that kind of level, it the full public utilization of it, we have move back into surplus as quickly as is unlikely that we will be back in sur- to have a good land management plan. possible. The House spending level that plus any time soon. So this particular amendment would we have approved is almost identical to Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Chairman, I make it very difficult to have a good President Bush’s fiscal year 2003 re- move to strike the requisite number of land management plan. For that rea- quest. Any increase above the Presi- words. son, Mr. Chairman, I urge Members to dent’s request in one bill will need to Mr. Chairman, I rise to oppose this vote against it. be offset by a decrease in another bill. amendment. I certainly believe that Mr. RYUN of Kansas. Mr. Chairman, As we take a look at the schedule for the intent of the amendment is a good I move to strike the requisite number this week, we see that three out of the one, and I certainly appreciate the de- of words. first four bills that have been reported bate and the opportunity to debate Mr. Chairman, the problem we are from appropriations are going to be what funding levels are appropriate faced with is that the House has twice above the President’s request. The in- and what funding levels are not appro- voted to set an overall discretionary terior bill today is $775 million above priate. spending level at $748 billion for fiscal the request. That does not include the The Bureau of Land Management ac- year 2003. The Senate has yet to pass a $700 million in emergency firefighting. count, however, is 1.5 percent above budget, and that should give us all Treasury-Postal is $538 million above last year’s limit. I would love to serve great concern. President Bush has en- the request. The agriculture bill is $550 in the House of Representatives and dorsed the House spending level and in- million above the request. The legisla- look at each and every government dicated in numerous speeches that he tive branch looks like it will be re- agency and say that the level of fund- will use his veto, if necessary, to en- ported out at the President’s requested ing is only 1.5 percent higher than it force the House discretionary spending level. Collectively, these bills then are was last year. Frankly, I would like to levels. Because the House spending about $1.8 billion above the President’s see a lot of these agencies a lot less level is nearly identical to President request. than that, and not just a reduction in Bush’s fiscal year 2003 request, any in- If we are going to plus-up these early the increase, but a cut in last year’s crease above the request will need to be bills, it means that at the later end of level. But this is about a $14 million offset by a decrease in another spend- the process, we are going to have to level above the administration’s re- ing bill. have reductions in some very difficult quest. Three of the four nondefense bills re- bills. Is this House ready for a $400 mil- Now, why is that the case, Mr. Chair- ported by the Committee on Appropria- lion-plus reduction from the Presi- man? Why is not a flat level funded? I tions are significantly above the Presi- dent’s request for Commerce-Justice- will say this, that if we look inside of dent’s request. The Interior bill is $775 State? Are we ready for a $1.8 billion this, much of this is driven by House million over the request. The Treasury reduction from the request for Vet- Member requests and by the Secretary bill is $538 million, the agriculture bill erans, HUD and FEMA? These bills are of the Interior. is $550 million, and the fourth bill is currently scheduled to move at the end For example, included in this was the the only one that really meets the re- of the appropriations process. If we are oil and gas development money in the quested level. going to be cutting from the Presi- Powder River Basin in Idaho and in Collectively, these bills add up to $1.8 dent’s request, which is going to be a Montana. Also, the National Petroleum billion above the request. We have to very difficult process, those should be Reserve, the Challenge Cost Share pro- have the money from some place. In the bills that we move first to show grams, all at the request of the Sec- order to pay for the increased spending that we are disciplined and we are will- retary and a number of our western in these and other bills, the committee ing to make those choices. If the House Members that have a particular con- is proposing a $400 million reduction in passes the first appropriations bills at cern in these particular accounts. the President’s request for Commerce, levels significantly above the request, I Just to give an example of why some Justice, and State, and a $1.8 billion re- think then we will be forced at the end of this money is needed, the land man- duction for the request of the Veterans, of the process to break the bank to agement plans now are obsolete. They HUD, and FEMA bill, and I do not pass the veterans, HUD and FEMA bill have to be redone by the Secretary of think that is right. at levels significantly higher than the Interior. Why do we have to have a If the House passes the first appro- what the Committee on Appropriations good land management plan? Because priations bills at levels significantly might otherwise report them here. if we do not have an up-to-date, cur- above the request, then we will be rent plan, we cannot issue new permits. forced at the end to either break the b 1830 Remember, the purpose of a lot of budget or pass a Veterans, HUD and We need to get back to surplus. We these public lands is not just rec- FEMA bill at levels significantly below need to get back to surplus, and one of reational, but actually commercial, the request.

VerDate jun 06 2002 04:30 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00053 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.139 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4730 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 Should the House pass the bills that funding for the National Endowment tenance. We still have, as the gen- are below that request before passing for the Arts and the National Endow- tleman points out, this long backlog. any bill above the request, we will have ment for the Humanities. So a meat ax approach is not going a problem later with the budget, and I Mr. WAMP. Mr. Chairman, I move to to solve this problem. The gentleman think it is important that we show fis- strike the requisite number of words. should remind his colleagues that the cal discipline and do so at the very out- Mr. Chairman, as one of the most President supports this bill and the set instead of waiting until later. conservative members of the Com- chairman of the Committee on the Mr. HORN. Mr. Chairman, I move to mittee on Appropriations, I rise in sup- Budget supports this bill. So what is strike the requisite number of words. port of the bill and in opposition to the the problem? Mr. Chairman, I want to say to the amendment. I do rise to commend the Mr. WAMP. Mr. Chairman, reclaim- gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. author of the amendment and the team ing my time, we also have had previous SKEEN), a wonderful man, a gentleman, of budget hawks that have assembled speakers talk about how twice the a great Westerner. I grew up in rural to begin the process that will last House has passed a budget resolution, America and he has the values of rural through the year at trying to hold the and we have already heard the Com- America, and so do I. So it will be a line on spending, because I do share mittee on the Budget chairman speak loss to the House, but all he has done that goal and think it is important, in support of this bill. But I can also to help parks and help the Forest Serv- particularly in times of deficit spend- tell my colleagues that a few months ice is something that he can be very ing; again, that we attempt to rein in ago, the House was overwhelmingly in proud of, and we can be proud because the growth of government and strive support of the CARA bill which would of all of the leadership he provided. for a more efficient and effective gov- have effectively tripled the spending in Mr. Chairman, a few hours from now, ernment. this bill, and if it were not for the good the gentlewoman from New York (Ms. However, I say today as a member of work, stewardship, and careful crafting SLAUGHTER) will describe the benefits this subcommittee for the past 6 years, of a compromise by this subcommittee, of the arts to our national economy this is unfortunate that the process be- there would be an influx of spending on and to our local communities. The arts gins on this bill to try to rein in spend- automatic entitlement payments on contribute in many ways to our Na- ing when this bill was very carefully conservation and resource-type issues, tion’s economic prosperity. This is well put together, with extreme caution and we struck a compromise and a bal- documented in an economic impact and, really, the motives on this bill to ance. study from the Georgia Institute of cut spending would run counter to fis- Mr. Chairman, this is a bill that re- Technology. The study provides a com- cal responsibility in many regards. quires our stewardship. This is what pelling argument for increased Federal For instance, would it be wise as a Speaker Gingrich called the best sub- funding for our cultural agencies, the homeowner to allow the shingles to fall committee in the House, because we National Endowment for the Arts and off of the roof of his home? It is not fund our public lands and these invest- the National Endowment of the Hu- frugal, or it is not responsible to do ments. manities. that. I can tell my colleagues, if they Let me also tell my colleagues that The proposed fiscal year 2003 budget want to go to the authorization com- in a bipartisan way, I am the Co-Chair- provides a nominal increase for agency mittee and debate whether or not the man of the Energy Efficiency and Re- administrative costs, but no new funds Federal Government should own one- newable Energy Caucus in this House. for local projects. We can do better third of the land in America, go do b 1845 than that. An increase in funding for that, but the truth is we do own, the the arts would come with economic re- Federal Government, one-third of the We have half the House that belongs. wards for the entire country. Nonpri- lands in America. We have many Members from the con- vate arts groups generate $134 billion If my colleagues want to travel, as servative Republican faction that have in economic activity every year. That we have traveled, and go to the parks written us saying, invest in energy effi- is in both rural and urban America. and go to the forests and go to the ciency and energy conservation pro- They generate $10.5 billion in Federal BLM and see the buildings, see the in- grams. I fought for an increase in those income tax revenues. That is a phe- frastructure, see the $14 billion backlog programs. If we are going to wean our- nomenal return on the taxpayers’ in- that we have on taking care of what we selves off of reliance on Middle Eastern vestment. Investment in the arts also own, my colleagues will know that fru- oil, Mr. Chairman, we have to invest in is an investment in our children’s fu- gal, responsible leadership warrants in- alternatives. We have to invest in con- ture. I was one who was brought up on vesting in maintaining what we have. servation and energy efficiency tech- a farm, and I still will feel there. If my colleagues want to go fight the nologies. The Arts Education Partnership re- fight on not having so much, do that, We are going to fight too many more cently published a study called Critical but that is not done here. wars at a huge cost if we do not make Links. This important study provides Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, will the ourselves energy-independent. That is solid evidence that arts education gentleman yield? what this bill funds. We cannot have it helps students master other critical Mr. WAMP. I yield to the gentleman both ways. We need to invest in Amer- subjects, including math, reading, lan- from Washington. ica. This bill invests in America. It is guage development, and writing. The Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I just carefully crafted. study also shows that arts education want to commend the gentleman on a I would encourage those who want to helps academic achievement in young very thoughtful statement, to remind cut $162 million out of this bill to be children, students from low-income those people who have spoken earlier, specific where they want to cut it. If it communities, and those who are falling if there is no money, if the BLM is cut is fires, that has to be an emergency. behind. by $162 million, then there is not going We would love to put it in the supple- Last year, President Bush set the ex- to be money for them to borrow to mental, but the administration, our ample when he signed a bill, the No fight the fires; these accounts in the President from our party, has said no, Child Left Behind Act. This landmark BLM, the money that is borrowed that it belongs in the 2003 bill and we can- legislation recognizes the arts as one of is used to fight the fires. So if that not get it in the supplemental. Either the core subjects that all schools money is taken away in a meat ax ap- way is fine with the committee, but we should teach. proach like this, then they are not cannot do it that way, so it is very es- Learning is not limited to the class- going to have that. sential that we move this bill forward. room. The NEA and the NEH help bring The gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. We are going to slug it out here on the arts and cultural programs to mil- WAMP) is absolutely right about the the floor for a few hours. At the end of lions of Americans, both rural and maintenance. We have to maintain the day, though, this is one of those urban, including children, every year. these parks, these facilities, et cetera. bills that comes from the Committee Mr. Chairman, I urge my colleagues It has been a high priority of this com- on Appropriations that needs to pass in to join us later this evening in sup- mittee to do a good job on that and we very close to its current form. It is a porting this amendment to increase have increased the money for the main- puzzle putting it together to make sure

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:27 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00054 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.141 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4731 that we balance the stewardship needs Mrs. MORELLA. Mr. Chairman, I Mr. DICKS. Should we not be debat- of the Federal Government. We have move to strike the requisite number of ing that amendment? done just that. words. The CHAIRMAN. The Chair waits for Mr. DEMINT. Mr. Chairman, I move Mr. Chairman, I rise to enter into a someone to raise a point of order on to strike the requisite number of colloquy with the chairman of the Sub- the question of relevancy. words. committee on the Interior of the Com- Mr. DICKS. I make a point of order Mr. Chairman, I want to thank the mittee on Appropriations. that we not have any colloquies; that gentleman for some very important re- I would say to the gentleman from we address this amendment, and we marks. I appreciate the work of the New Mexico (Mr. SKEEN), I want to vote on the amendment. Committee very much. I am sure ev- commend him on the excellent legisla- The CHAIRMAN. The gentlewoman erything in this bill is important and tion that he has brought before the engaging in a colloquy has already could be useful. House floor. I wanted to bring to the yielded back her time. But as all of us know, this country is gentleman’s attention an energy re- Mr. DICKS. That is fine. I object to going through very difficult times; dif- search program which I believe holds any future ones. ficult with our economy, difficult with great promise. The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will keep enemies all around the world. There Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, will the that in mind. are many priorities. gentlewoman yield? Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chair- As we go through this appropriations Mrs. MORELLA. I yield to the gen- man, I move to strike the requisite process, it is very important that we tleman from New Mexico. number of words. I am speaking on the look at our priorities and look at the Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I would amendment at hand. means that we have to accomplish be pleased to engage in a colloquy with Mr. Chairman, I would like to ad- them, and make sure that we make the the gentlewoman. dress a bigger issue that is at play to- tough decisions now, rather than later. We know that we need additional Mrs. MORELLA. I thank the chair- night with the bringing of this appro- money to fight the war, to build our man. I note, Mr. Chairman, that the priations bill to the floor; that is, our military, to equip our soldiers, and to chairman of the subcommittee has in- budget resolution is unraveling before pay them. That is going to cost more cluded increases in the bill for fuel cell us. money. research. The reason we set budget resolutions We know that our Social Security There is a program in this area which in Congress is so that we make the en- system, which is a very important I believe has tremendous potential. I tire Federal budget fit into a com- promise to our seniors, that must be am specifically referring to tech- prehensive plan. When we wrote the kept, and we must begin the debate on nologies to investigate and encourage budget resolution earlier this spring, how we can improve and guarantee power management systems, which fa- we had a budget surplus. Now we see, that Social Security is always there. cilitate the application of fuel cells to as of a few days ago, we have a budget But we know with this budget this reduce peak electricity demand. deficit, but we are still moving with year that we are already spending This so-called peak shaving, through that budget resolution, hopefully. But money that is coming in for Social Se- the use of fuel cell technology, has the as we see this appropriations process curity, and we need to scrutinize every potential to reduce costly utility ex- unravel, it looks as though this budget dollar that we spend to make sure that cess capacity requirements, minimize resolution will even be broken. we do not spend the Social Security local conflicts related to transmission So, Mr. Chairman, I am very much surplus unnecessarily. capacity upgrades, and provide emer- enlightened by the comments by the Across the country, we see devasta- gency standby power for law enforce- senior delegation member from my tion with the problems with health ment, fire, and rescue, as well as other own State who I know to be a man that care and the cuts at the Federal level emergency response operations. not always is in agreement with me, with Medicaid, and we look at our own Over the past few years, fuel cell and I do not always agree with him, Medicare system and see that it is technology has experienced steady but I know he is a straight-shooter and going to become increasingly difficult progress toward commercial reality. I know he usually calls it like he sees to fund it. Seniors all across the coun- However, work remains to be done. Mr. it. try are being turned away from physi- Chairman, research into fuel cell tech- Earlier, under consideration of the cians who no longer take Medicare be- nology for peak shaving is needed to rule, this senior member of the Com- cause we do not pay enough. demonstrate the extent to which fuel mittee on Appropriations basically laid We have to scrutinize this budget. We cells can provide essential power for out the following scenario. He said cannot continue to spend and to grow emergency operations facilities, for what the leadership plans to do is to the government and make new prom- homeland defense, and provide cost take the easier-to-pass bills, raise the ises when there are promises that we savings to reduce peak electricity de- levels of spending on that, and then do have made to seniors, as well as the mand in other operations. so at the expense of lowering spending promises we have made to other citi- Mr. Chairman, would this type of on other more difficult-to-pass pieces zens, such as the children of this coun- program qualify for funding under the of legislation. try in our education plan, because we budget recommendations in the Inte- What this will end up doing is break- have promised more money to edu- rior bill? ing the budget resolution, breaking cation from the Federal level, new Mr. SKEEN. If the gentlewoman will promises. any fiscal discipline we have in place In this bill this year we are making yield further, as the gentlewoman for this fiscal year for this Congress. new promises that we are going to have knows, Mr. Chairman, the energy re- This is a problem, Mr. Chairman. to keep out of money that we do not search program in the Interior bill is This is a problem because, quite sim- have. I rise in support of this amend- awarded through a competitive pro- ply, we have a budget deficit now on ment because it looks closely at this curement process, and this program our hands. We are at war. We are try- Interior bill, looks at the management certainly sounds like it is worthy of ing to fix the problems in our home- area, not cutting any programs, but consideration. It is a process by the De- land, so our priorities ought to be a just makes a small cut. If we continue partment of Energy. line such as this: Win the war on ter- this process throughout appropria- Mrs. MORELLA. I thank the gen- rorism, give the troops what they need, tions, then maybe we can save the tleman, Mr. Chairman. win the war on our homeland security, money that we need to keep the prom- POINT OF ORDER fix those vulnerabilities that we have ises that we have already made, and Mr. DICKS. Point of order, Mr. Chair- here in the country, make sure that not make new promises to folks when man. How can we have colloquies going our domestic infrastructure is prepared we cannot keep the promises and do on when there is an amendment being for terrorist attacks. not have the money to do it. considered? Is there not an amendment But when it comes to fixing the budg- I do support the amendment, and I still being considered by the House? et deficit, we realize those are the urge all of my fellow Members to do The CHAIRMAN. There is an amend- areas we cannot go to. We need to hold the same. ment pending before the House. the line on domestic spending. That

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If you are against tle bit of discipline left in it to try and that appropriators are asked to include spending, then vote not to spend; but get our hands around this budget def- nonappropriations issues on appropria- do not stand up here after having voted icit. tions bills? Because the other processes for a very large increase in back-door If we do not fix this budget deficit, are not working, we are asked to do a spending and then criticize a small Social Security will be dipped into for lot of things that are not even appro- amount of money in a discretionary years. If we do not fix this budget def- priations matters. The appropriations bill. icit, we are going to see problems in process has not unraveled, not at all. I am opposed to this amendment, and the stock market. The markets are Let me tell the Members what has I hope the House will come down in watching this body. The markets are unraveled: The budget process that the large numbers to oppose this amend- watching to see if we have corporate gentleman seems to like so much has ment. The gentleman from New Mexico accountability legislation passing, as totally unraveled. We do not have a (Mr. SKEEN) has worked hard to get we just did today; the markets are budget process, I will say to my friend, this bill in balance, to make it a good watching to see if there is account- the gentleman from Wisconsin. There bill. We can show you reasons why the ability in accounting standards; but is no budget process in this Congress. BLM could use additional money, but the markets are also watching to see if Here is the way it is supposed to we do not have additional money; and we have budget discipline. If Congress work. Under the law, the House should so we are not going to recommend it to shows no discipline in balancing its pass a budget resolution. We did that. the House. I hope the House will give budget, the markets are going to react The Senate should pass a budget reso- us an overwhelming vote against this in a way we are not going to like. lution. They did not do that; but never- amendment. Mr. Chairman, our constituents are theless, they are supposed to. Then the We will not let this appropriations seeing their 401(k)s cut in half, they two houses come together and we de- process unravel, and I know there are are seeing the market volatility take cide on what the top number is for the some that would like to see that hap- place in affecting their very liveli- budget, referred to as a 302(a) number. pen. I read some comments in some of hoods. This Congress can do a lot to re- That did not happen this year. the in-house news media bout how instill confidence in our government, The House deemed, then, a budget some people are going to disrupt to- in our fiscal balance sheet, and in the resolution. But let me tell the Mem- tally the appropriations process. One of stock market and the markets by mak- bers what this budget resolution does the few constitutional requirements ing a stride for fiscal discipline. when the Senate does not have the and obligations that Congress has is That means taking this bill and the same top number. the appropriations process, the power entire process and retooling it so that How do I reconcile appropriations of the purse. Nobody else has the right we actually do meet our budget resolu- bills with my colleagues in the other to spend money for this Federal Gov- tion, a bill we have passed twice just ernment except the Congress of the this year through the House of Rep- body if their top number is $9 billion United States, and we are going to pro- resentatives. We did it once, we deemed higher than the House number? How do tect that constitutional responsibility. it again, and we need to make sure I force them down? Well, we try. On the We are going to keep the oath of office that this budget resolution holds, that supplemental we are working on, we that we took to protect the Constitu- we do not break the ceiling on spend- have brought the Senate down almost tion. Stick with us on this bill. Vote ing. to the House number that we passed. I am afraid the process we have right There are still some differences there, down this amendment. It is not a good now is doing just that. That is why I but we did bring them down. But it is amendment. urge passage of this amendment, Mr. very difficult if we do not have the Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I move to Chairman. I thank the chairman of the same top number. So the budget proc- strike the requisite number of words. Mr. Chairman, my grandfather used committee for indulging me. ess broke down. I do want to say one last point: They And now about Social Security and to be in town politics and county poli- do a good job. The gentlemen are all fiscal discipline. tics for about 30 years. And one of the things that he always told me is that here working hard, and I know that b 1900 this is tough work. But I also know the most dangerous thing you could do that the American people are watch- Spending, Mr. Chairman, spending is in politics is to believe your own balo- ing, and that they want to see this spending. Whether it is spending by a ney. And I think the problem that we budget deficit dealt with. They want to discretionary appropriations bill or have in this House is that there are a see fiscal discipline here in Congress. whether it is spending by back-door number of people who are so enamored We know how to make it happen, and spending, through mandated entitle- of their own baloney that they do not we know how to make sure that it does ment programs or mandatory pro- even recognize it is baloney, and let me not happen. I suggest we do more ac- grams. A dollar being spent as a man- explain what I mean. tions to make sure it does happen. dated program, or back-door spending, I appreciate the kind personal com- Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chair- if you will, is the same, as a dollar ap- ments that the gentleman from Wis- man, I move to strike the requisite propriated by the Congress. consin made about this gentleman number of words. Congress earlier this year approved from Wisconsin. But I think we need to Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to an agriculture bill. That bill increased fairly analyze why it is that we have the amendment. I feel inclined to do the baseline for agriculture by $90 bil- people with their noses out of joint to- this at this time. I listened to my lion. Ninety billion, I would say to my night. We have a group of people in this friend, the gentleman from Wisconsin friend from Wisconsin, spread over a 10- House (and I do not attack them for it, (Mr. RYAN), who is my friend, and I year period. Actually, it was supposed I am simply stating fact), we have a have said many times on the floor I be- to be spread over a 6-year period, but it group of people in this House who hon- lieve in years to come he will become looked like it was less by doing it over estly believe that they can maintain one of our very strong leaders. He is a 10-year period. My friend from Wis- the fiction that somehow the budget right to want fiscal discipline in the consin feels worried about Social Secu- resolution which passed this House is a Congress. Congress should not be rity, and I applaud him for that. I am real instrument in divided government. spending any more money than is need- too because I represent a lot of people It is not. ed. on Social Security. But I voted against And the problem we face is that when But I have to disagree with some of that farm bill because it provided a $90 you start the budget process with an the comments that he made. For exam- billion increase over the baseline. erroneous initial set of assumptions,

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00056 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.147 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4733 then everything that happens after So the Committee on Appropriations my first Social Security bill the first that point is a colossal waste of time. has committed the unpardonable sin of year that I entered Congress and every And so because we started with a budg- bringing to the House floor a realistic session since. Each has been scored to et resolution, which for the third year document which represents our best keep Social Security solvent. in a row makes an unrealistic assump- professional judgment on a bipartisan So if this amendment saves some tion about what in the end the collec- basis. money and if this appropriations bill is tive judgment of people on both sides The CHAIRMAN. The time of the the start of overspending, it has been of the aisle is going to be with respect gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. OBEY) my experience throughout my 91⁄2 years to the budget, we wind up starting has expired. in Congress that we pass a budget from a false base to begin with. And (By unanimous consent, Mr. OBEY which may be irrelevant in terms of now you have a number of people in was allowed to proceed for 1 additional controlling spending. Obviously, if you this House who are upset because we minute.) look at the number of times that the will not stick to that false base. Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, our best budget numbers have prevailed, it is ir- Now, the previous gentleman from professional judgment about what the relevant because we never stick to it. Wisconsin (Mr. RYAN) who spoke has realistic level is that Members want to But what happens is in the Committee me confused because he talks about the see provided in this bill. on Appropriations when we come up Committee on Appropriations unravel- Now, we may have been on point. We with the 302(b)’s, the first bills that we ing the budget process. I would say may have missed it a little bit. Who pass and put before this Chamber are that if he wants to look to a committee knows? Nobody is perfect. But the fact easy to pass because there is something that has unraveled the process, he is that I think the problem we have in it for everybody. And so we pass the ought to start with his own committee. here is that on that side of the aisle early bills that are somewhat popular, Our committee operates in an unusu- there are a number of people who re- somewhat overspending and then we ally bipartisan fashion. We do not sent the fact that the Committee on end up with the tough bills later on for agree on everything, but we often re- Appropriations in the end has to de- veterans, for education; with an appro- solve our differences. We had some liver a reality message to both sides of priation level that is so low, so below major differences on this bill which we the Capitol and both parties, and that anybody’s request that you have to in- resolved. is what this bill is attempting to do. In contrast, my observation is that crease the amount—overspend the If people think it is wrong, then they budget, and you come up busting the the Committee on Ways and Means, the ought to vote for this amendment. If other side of the financial ledger, is so budget. they think we have made a reasonable Look, Republicans have done a bad polarized that they often are barely effort to get through the week and speaking to each other. And the prod- job in terms of holding down spending. move the process forward, then they ucts that they bring to the floor dem- Sometimes we blame it on Democrats. ought to vote it down. I hope they vote onstrate that as well. Because those Sometimes we blame it on the Senate. it down. products have essentially said that But somehow, someplace, somewhere Mr. SMITH of Michigan. Mr. Chair- over the next 10 years we are going to we have to do the cutting that is man, I move to strike the requisite spend $1.7 trillion on tax reductions, tough. number of words. and that is going to come largely out Let me give you the statistic from Before I speak on the amendment, of borrowed money. the Heritage Foundation. Most of the with the permission of the sub- Now, I happen to think that tax cuts benefits of government go to a popu- in the short term make sense because committee ranking member and the lation that pays less than 1 percent of if the economy is sagging, you need to chairman of that committee, I want to the income tax. So we are evolving into give the economy a kicker. And I do make a couple comments on JOE a society where most of our constitu- not think there is anything wrong with SKEEN. ents say, well, a little more spending in the short run having some stimulus JOE is a hero of American agri- and a little more help from govern- in the tax side as well as the spending culture; and that is when I got to know ment is good, because a lot of those side. But the problem with the markets him, doing the excellent job on the constituents do not pay their equiva- is that they are looking at the long- Committee on Appropriations Sub- lent share of the income taxes. That is term result of that decision, and that committee on Agriculture. JOE first because we have made the income tax $1.7 trillion in lost revenue over the ran for Congress as a write-in can- so progressive. next 10 years makes the differences on didate. Amazing. And most of us are This chart represents the biggest fi- appropriations bills appear to be min- politically aware enough that we know nancial problem that government is uscule by comparison. that that is an almost impossible task facing, and that is where we are going Does anybody really think the budg- at local government, let alone for the on the future of Social Security. It is et is going to be balanced if this United States Congress. an entitlement program. We have made amendment is passed tonight? Come JOE served in the Navy. He was a the promise. We have made the com- on, give me a break. graduate from Texas A&M, a farmer, a mitment. People have gauged their The other thing I would point out is sheep rancher on a 15,000-acre-plus op- savings and their lives for their retire- that I am, frankly, a little baffled be- eration. JOE, maybe it has gotten big- ment to include what they are going to cause I have one gentleman from Wis- ger since I read the 15,000. At age 33, he be getting from Social Security. We consin on that side of the aisle say we was one of the youngest State senators are moving into an era of spending are going to spend too much money; in New Mexico. Later he ran for Gov- frenzy that will lead us to a time when and yet we are noticed by another gen- ernor, and lost by 1 percent point. we will not be able to pay those bene- tleman from Wisconsin on that side of JOE, I am proud to have had the op- fits. the aisle that he is going to ask us to portunity to serve with you. So my So I say, every chance we have, let us spend more money on a program that best compliment to you and your fam- grit our teeth and let us come up with is important to him and to me, Chronic ily. the courage we need to do what is right Wasting Disease. Now he has an offset Now, on the amendment, my nose and that is to reduce spending and not for that amendment, and I congratu- probably is out of joint on over- dig ourselves into a kind of hole where late him for it; but the problem is that spending. Some of us in desperation do we are forced to overspend in the last offset is going to be met with bipar- not know exactly what to do to try to two or three appropriations bills. tisan opposition because the program reduce the tendency to spend a lot of Mr. ALLEN. Mr. Chairman, I move to that is being cut means as much to the money to try to please the Senate. strike the requisite number of words. folks who want that program as the Sometimes we say it is to please the Mr. Chairman, when I go back to my program that the other gentleman other side of the aisle. So when an district in Maine and I try to explain from Wisconsin wants to see money amendment comes forth to save $162 what goes on in the people’s House, I added to, the Chronic Wasting Disease million, it influences what I came here try to explain that only in this House, for the deer herd and the elk herd to Congress to do, and that is to keep as contrasted with my constituents’ means to us. Social Security solvent. I introduced houses, do we talk about revenues and

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00057 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.150 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4734 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 expenditures at different times, and it I submit that this House will never too much in some accounts, too little is as if they were completely discon- do its budgeting in a responsible way if in others? Probably so. Does it frus- nected from each other. And I think in it does not look at revenues and ex- trate us from time to time? I am from some places I should tape this discus- penditures together. We are not doing the West. I wish we had less money for sion on the proposed amendment and that tonight. It is irresponsible not to certain things and more money for oth- send it back to the people in Maine and do it. ers to make sure we can manage our- say, this is what I am talking about, Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, will the selves in the West, but I tell my col- because I rise in opposition to the gentleman yield? leagues, we have worked diligently. amendment. But what I have heard to- Mr. ALLEN. I yield to the gentleman This chairman has worked his heart night calls for fiscal discipline, calls from Washington. out. Our full committee chairman, the for being tough on spending, not one Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, the point gentleman from Washington (Mr. mention of the revenue side. is that, what is it, 67 percent of the DICKS), the gentleman from Wisconsin If I went to a businessman, business- budget is entitlements. We are talking (Mr. OBEY), everybody is working hard woman in Maine and they said to me, about one-third of the budget, when we to make this balance so we can get a Here is my plan for next year: I am look at discretionary spending, a sig- bill out of committee, get a bill out of going to reduce my revenues, reduce nificant part of that is defense. A sig- the full committee and then pass it and my sales significantly by discontinuing nificant part of it is HHS with very hopefully have the President sign it. a product line, but I am going to in- crucial and sensitive programs. I caution my colleagues who are crease my expenses dramatically by I just hope that the same zeal and using this tactic to slow down this spending more on staff, and I know vigor will be applied by the people who process. We get the message. We under- that we will be in deficit for the next are bringing us the Agriculture bill stand it. We are going to have to deal year and the year after that, but I have with that big expenditure that just with it, but I think if we pass no appro- a plan. went through this House of Represent- priations bills other than the ones we atives and when they look at tax cuts have, we are in for a mighty difficult b 1915 for the wealthiest people in this coun- time at the end of the process as we The plan is I am going to borrow try. But to come after these bills that pass nothing and we end up getting a money from my children in order to have been worked out on a bipartisan bigger bill. get me through the next few years. basis, that restrains spending, we can Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, will the There is not a businessman, a business- go through this exercise, but we all gentleman yield? woman in the State of Maine that know what this is about. Mr. NETHERCUTT. I yield to the would think that is the right approach. As the gentleman from Wisconsin gentleman from Washington. They would say go back and take an- (Mr. OBEY) would say, you have a few Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I do not other look. people here posing for holy pictures, think we want to go back to the days Sure, take a look at the spending, that is what this is all about. I would of massive continuing resolutions but in this House, at this moment in hope that we would quit wasting the where this House has not even had a our history, we have some serious secu- committee’s time and move forward chance to exercise its goodwill and rity and defense expenditures that we and vote on this amendment and defeat judgment on these individual bills. all agree on. it like it should be defeated. That is where the real mischief can The alternative is to go back and Mr. ALLEN. Mr. Chairman, I align occur. take a look at our revenues, and last myself with the comments of the gen- These bills are responsible. We ought year, when the rallying cry in this tleman from Washington (Mr. DICKS), to deal with them, each one of them. House from those who supported the the ranking member. That is the most effective thing we can President’s tax cut was it is not the Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, I do, fight amongst ourselves, get the government’s money, it is your money, move to strike the requisite number of best numbers that we can. But to go there were those of us who said, wait a words. straight to continuing resolutions puts minute, we can support a tax cut of an Mr. Chairman, let me say as a person the power in just a handful of people, appropriate size but not one that uses who has been here for 7 years, been and this House, and its views on spend- all of the non-Social Security surplus through the 1995 period where we did ing issues will be completely ignored. for the next 6 or 7 years. not pass appropriations bills, 1996 we Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, Today, and what we see when taxes went through the process of not pass- reclaiming my time, I appreciate the are discussed in the House here at ing appropriations bills at the end of gentleman’s point. other times, it is always that we have the process, we ended up spending more My colleagues had to have been here to make permanent the damage that money than anybody wanted. So these because if we look at what happened in was done last year. The urge to make 13 bills are bills we have to pass, and I the wee hours of the day and night, permanent the tax cuts is a determina- think the point that is being tried to with my own leadership and the leader- tion to make sure that people earning being made by many of us on the com- ship on the other side sort of sticking $1 million a year, $1 million a year, will mittee who worked through all this things in and taking things out and be able to enjoy an average tax cut of and do not like it exactly the way it is, putting things in nobody really knew $53,000 every single year. That $53,000 is but realize that there are votes on this about, we ended up with a massive om- more than 60 percent of what the side of the aisle and there are votes on nibus package that is not in the best American people make in a year. that side of the aisle, and there are per- interests of our constituents, of the All I am asking, Mr. Chairman, my spectives that differ broadly among the House or anybody else, and frankly, let friends on the other side is if we are constituencies that are represented in me say, I do not think it is in the best going to talk about fiscal discipline, if this Congress, in this House. interests of our constituents to sort of we are going to talk about balanced We cannot pass a bill out of the com- delay this process, to frustrate the budgets, if we are going to worry about mittee if we do not have the votes. We process, to obstruct the process. In the the spending of the Social Security cannot pass a bill out of the sub- final analysis, it is something that surplus, the least we should do is what committee or the full committee if we probably is going to be worse than we every American family who is fiscally do not have the votes, and if they do all are looking at today. responsible does when they sit down to not have the votes and they do not pass So, again, I come at this as conserv- do their family budget and every re- the bill, then what happens is that at ative as anybody else, but I am sitting sponsible American businessman or the end of the process we get a bigger in the room working on these bills and businesswoman does when they sit bill, we get an omnibus bill because we trying to figure out how to balance down and do their budget for their have to fund the Federal Government, them, and that is what the chairman company. They look at revenues and whether we want to or not. We have to has done, the gentleman from Ten- expenditures together and they say fund the Federal Government. nessee (Mr. WAMP) and the gentleman what is the right balance, how can we This attempt in this bill is an at- from Florida (Mr. YOUNG) and others, do this in a responsible way. tempt to be balanced, to be fair. Is it and the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr.

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Mr. Chairman, I assume and work through and get 13 appropria- running short, that means we take less that is more of a rhetorical question to tions bills signed and into law and fund trips to Target, and I am not apolo- put me on the spot for voting for a the Federal Government to the extent getic that I stand up here and support farm bill, and I am anxious to see the that a majority of the Members of the amendments to decrease our trips to Agriculture appropriations bill. House and Senate and the President Target because that is what we are b 1930 feel should be funded. doing. But I will admit to the gentleman, So I just say let us vote on the bill, This Interior bill is $950 million over coming from the State of Nebraska, on this amendment. Let us either de- last year’s spending, $775 million over that I will have leanings towards secur- feat it or pass it, but I urge my col- what the President had suggested. All ing, especially in a time when we are in leagues, move the process along. Let us we are standing up here and doing is a severe drought and I have already get through this system, get this bill asking for a little bit of fiscal restraint been told that for the State of Ne- passed and move on to the next one, on particularly these types of items. braska, from the gentleman’s com- and we will have more attempts, more This amendment that I rise in favor of mittee and the White House, not to ex- opportunities to craft a bill, but we reduces the Bureau of Land Manage- pect any disaster relief; that we will have to get through this first step first, ment’s land and resources to have to find it within the budget. I am and I think that is what we ought to be $664,678,000. It just simply takes $162 glad to do that. I am glad to take those doing and moving along and respecting billion out of it. It just reduces it by a type, instead of going off-budget like the chairman of the subcommittee and small percent. What we are trying to we had done when Texas certainly all of the people who have worked so do here is find little bits of money here needed disaster relief. I am willing to hard to make this right. and there so at the totality of this bill, take our money out of that. Mr. TERRY. Mr. Chairman, I move to we bring it down or maybe even below Mr. YOUNG of Florida. If the gen- strike the requisite number of words. last year’s spending level. tleman will yield further, I commend I thank the Chair for allowing me That is just the purpose here. It is the gentleman for that, for being real- these 5 minutes to speak on this, and not as malicious as the gentleman from istic about the needs. But what is the the gentleman from Washington (Mr. Washington suggests. difference in the mandatory dollar NETHERCUTT) certainly raises some Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, versus the discretionary dollar? It very good points here, and ones that we will the gentleman yield? seems to me they are both the same. as the fiscal conservative group, that Mr. TERRY. I yield to the gentleman They are both spending. some, a renegade group as we have from Washington. Mr. TERRY. Well, granted. been branded here, suggested have dis- Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, I Mr. AKIN. Mr. Chairman, I move to cussed that, and we certainly do not thank the gentleman for yielding for a strike the requisite number of words. want that type of an omnibus bill question. I also very much appreciate the hard where the shenanigans take place Does the gentleman realize that that work that has gone on in trying to put where there are so many riders and ad- BLM increase is 11⁄2 percent over last all these numbers together and the ditional spending that gets thrown in year? I am from the West. I know what long hours and the sincere efforts that and it is thrown up at 9 o’clock in the the challenges are in environmental have been made by everybody. I sup- morning and voted on at 10 o’clock in advocacy out in the West and some of pose I am a little concerned that the morning, like what happened in my the Federal lands that are subject to maybe people worked about $775 mil- first year here with the smaller omni- being under BLM authority. I know it lion too long on it, and that is what I bus bill. I voted no on that one, just as is just numbers, but there is an impact wanted to try to talk about just brief- I would vote no on any new one. on the ground that comes from the ly. Still, it just frustrates me that those gentleman’s amendment and the com- My concern is to try to put this thing of us that are sincerely frustrated with ments that he has made. into perspective. I understand the long the increased spending, especially at a Mr. TERRY. Mr. Chairman, the hours that are spent, but perhaps the time of decreasing revenues, are some- amendment, as I understand it, was not result of that is to take us a little too how branded as intellectually dis- a dramatic spending increase, but, as close to the trees to see the forest. The honest by the other gentleman from the gentleman from Maine suggested, concern I have is that when I was just Washington, or somehow I forget the that we have other priorities such as a little 2-year-old and we had an aver- name that he called us, but the fact of defense spending, national security, age family in this country, mom and the matter is that I am sincerely wor- and he is absolutely right, and I think dad and just two little kids, and dad ried about the type of spending that we all of us in the House share those prior- would go off and earn a dollar at work, are engaging in; that I came here be- ities. So it becomes a time where if we at the end of the time he had earned cause I wanted to restrain spending; want to have the secondary goal of sav- that dollar, three pennies of the dollar that I felt that that was important to ing money, where do we cut? was spent on direct taxation, Federal, our children’s future; that we were tak- The CHAIRMAN. The time of the State, and local. All added together, ing out a credit card and passing the gentleman from Nebraska (Mr. TERRY) three cents on the dollar. bill to our children. has expired. Five years ago, that three cents had The other gentleman from Maine had (On request of Mr. YOUNG of Florida, jumped to 38 cents. Mom and dad, two a very sincere discussion about family and by unanimous consent, Mr. TERRY kids, with dad earning a dollar, 38 budgets and that at times the family was allowed to proceed for 1 additional cents on the dollar goes to direct tax- budgets need restraint, and the busi- minute.) ation. That is more than the average nesses, a person certainly would not Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chair- family pays for food, clothing, and take away revenues and criticizing man, will the gentleman yield? shelter combined. My question is: Are those of us, including me, and I am Mr. TERRY. I yield to the gentleman we perhaps buying too much govern- proud of the tax votes that we have from Florida. ment? taken because I think empowering Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chair- The nation of Rome collapsed, appar- families and allowing them to keep man, I have a very simple question. If ently, with a 25 percent tax rate. We more of their own money, especially at he would explain to me and to our col- are talking about direct taxation on a time of an economic downturn, is leagues in the House the difference in our families of 38 cents, and that was 5 just simple, common sense, good eco- discretionary spending and mandatory years ago. So the question we have be- nomic family policy. spending, back-door spending in effect, fore us tonight is really how much gov- We have to adopt in coordination and compare that to this amendment ernment can we afford? with a tax-cutting policy fiscal re- versus the farm bill that the gentleman I think the first thing is to try to put straint. Certainly, most every family voted for and that spends $90 billion that into perspective and to say, well,

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00059 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.164 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4736 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 what then is the state of our economy? hits our small counties out in the the next generation is that by the year If our economy is robust and thriving, Northwest and the western States. So 2012 or 2015 we are going to be asking then perhaps we can afford a little that is $65 million. The science and the next generation and those who are more government. But it does not seem water programs of the U.S. Geological working that we need to increase their to me that that is the case. In fact, Survey, two-thirds of those requests Federal taxes by 20 to 25 percent, 20 to there seems to be a great deal of jitters were from Republicans to restore U.S. 25 percent. and concern about the condition of our Geological Survey money, $61 million. To everybody on this floor tonight, economy. The national fire plan. We have the staff as well as Members, you know So if we go ahead and ask people who Western Governors Association and the what you are paying in taxes. Think have made a life study of economics, as National Governors’ Association and about the working people of this coun- we did, we had a conference call with the Western Caucus that want that in. try who are making $30,000, $40,000 a all kinds of different people who are ex- So it is important what is in the de- year, maybe $50,000 trying to raise perts on the economy and asked them tails. It is not just money; it is not just their children and take care of their what it is Congress can do. We have the big number. It is what is in the de- family. Think about their taxes. That these things we call economic stimulus tails. I challenge the gentleman to is what we do when we increase the packages. We pull a magic lever and look at these and to say where he does spending of the Federal Government. somehow the economy is supposed to not like them. Mr. Chairman, I must say that, take off like a jet. What exactly is it Mr. JONES of North Carolina. Mr. again, there is a whole lot in this bill we can do? These economists told us we Chairman, I move to strike the req- that I do like and I do support. But, only have two things we can do. The uisite number of words. again, when we expand the spending first thing is we can cut taxes. And if To the gentleman from New Mexico over what was requested, then that is we cut taxes, it is not going to do a (Mr. SKEEN), the gentleman from Flor- when we have sincerely, I think, an ob- hoot of good if we do not follow it with ida (Mr. YOUNG), the gentleman from ligation to the American people. Yes, the second thing we have to do, which Washington (Mr. DICKS), and the gen- we pay our taxes. We all work hard. I is to cut spending. tleman from Wisconsin (Mr. OBEY) I am always back home in my district, I think that is what the concern is want to say thank you for the leader- when I go into a school, I praise every here. We are talking about too much ship that you provide. Member of the United States House of spending. And I understand that there The reason I came down tonight, and Representatives, liberal or conserv- are priorities. I understand there are to my friend, the gentleman from ative; and I praise the staff, and I talk things we have to fund. But the bottom Washington (Mr. NETHERCUTT), is sim- about how hard they work and how line is we have to take a look at the ply because I am extremely concerned they do what they think is right for big picture. We have gone from three about the next generation’s future, the American people. I believe that sin- cents to 38 cents just in my own life- quite frankly. I have been coming to cerely. But I will say that if we, in a bi- time. I am not quite dead yet. And so the floor for the last 3 weeks. I have partisan way, do not work to hold down the question is, can we continue to buy written to Secretary O’Neill and to the the growth of government, then when more and more and more government? gentleman from Indiana (Mr. BURTON), our grandchildren, when many of us, That is the concern here. because in the report from the Sec- not George and Tom, but when many of It is not only this amendment, which retary of Treasury, Secretary O’Neill, us are in our 70s and 80s, we will have makes an honest effort to try to reduce the ‘‘2001 Financial Report of the our children who are trying to raise some of this $775 million, but the over- United States Government,’’ they ac- our grandchildren say to us, how in the all question is just how much can our knowledge in this report that we have world could you serve in the Congress constituents afford? How many of the lost $17.3 billion of the American peo- and we are having to pay 35 and 40 per- people, those little families, that in- ple’s money. I would hope somebody in cent in taxes? stead of spending three pennies when this House, both Democrat and Repub- This is just the beginning of the ap- dad goes to work, are now carrying lican, would join me in asking Mr. propriation process; and, Mr. Chair- more government than food and cloth- O’Neill where is $17.3 billion of the man, I will yield to you because I did ing and shelter combined? I think that American people’s money. support you on the military issues, but this amendment is at least a step in Certainly I must say to my good let me say to you that all of us are the right direction to try to move us friend, the gentleman from Maine (Mr. guilty, including myself, of not doing a toward cutting that, cutting that $775 ALLEN), who is a good friend, that cer- better job of holding down the growth million. tainly many of my colleagues did not of this Federal Government. And I hope I do not pretend to be an expert on realize this, and I want to be very hon- that we will work together, and wheth- the details of it, but certainly we have est about it, I did not either until the er we agree on every issue, we can to say something eventually to the July 4 break listening to a talk show work together to do a better job. point of where are we going to draw the host in Raleigh, North Carolina, read- Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chair- line. ing a New York Post article and chas- man, will the gentleman yield? Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, tising the American Government and Mr. JONES of North Carolina. I yield will the gentleman yield? the Congress and the Secretary of the to the gentleman from Florida. Mr. AKIN. I yield to the gentleman Treasury for reporting that we had lost Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chair- from Washington. $17.3 billion. So I came down here to- man, I thank the gentleman for that, Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, I night to speak on behalf of this amend- and I do not want to be combative just heard the gentleman say he is not ment simply because I am concerned about this, but I am looking for an ex- an expert on the details of the request, about the next generation’s future. planation. I want to ask the same ques- that he just wants to cut money. And I We all hope that we do the right tion that I asked of the gentleman appreciate that and understand that, things when we are here on the floor of from Nebraska (Mr. TERRY). What is and I respect the point of view of the the House voting. But I really think the difference in back-door spending gentleman. But the budget request about the way we are going with in- dollars versus the discretionary spend- that the President sent up, and by the creased spending. And I was a former ing dollars? way the President supports this bill, Democrat, by the way, who joined the Mr. JONES of North Carolina. Mr. the administration has already said Republican Party in 1993 because I be- Chairman, reclaiming my time, and they support this bill, the interior ap- lieved that my party, quite frankly, since the chairman asked the question propriations bill. So it is not the Presi- would do the best job of holding down of the gentleman from Nebraska (Mr. dent that is against this; it is Members the growth of government. That has TERRY), if I might, the one thing about of the House. not happened yet, and I am somewhat the farm bill is it was consistent with The budget request cut PILT fund- surprised and disappointed. But as we the budget resolution. This is not. ing, Payment in Lieu of Taxes. We continue to expand the Federal Gov- Mr. GUTKNECHT. Mr. Chairman, I have the Western Caucus, of which I ernment and the spending of the Fed- move to strike the requisite number of am a member, who went nuts. That eral Government, what we are doing to words.

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00060 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.157 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4737 Mr. Chairman, I reluctantly rise to- back to what we agreed to back in 1996, cits is not because of the incremental night to support this amendment, but, where we said we are going to adjust increases in some of these budgets, and more importantly, to begin to raise the this account to what the spending as was just pointed out by the gen- issue and the consciousness of this would be if that account had gone up tleman from Washington (Mr. Congress about what has been hap- every year at the rate of inflation. NETHERCUTT), the increase in this par- pening in this Congress for the last 3 or b 1945 ticular budget is not a budget-breaker 4 years. at all, it is quite modest. Now, the gentleman from Wash- Now, do not talk to us about draco- The problem that we have is last ington (Mr. NETHERCUTT) and a number nian cuts. We are saying let us go back year this Congress passed a tax cut of us came here in 1994, and we were to what we thought we agreed to in which was way out of line. That tax cut very serious about balancing the Fed- 1995, 1996 and 1997 when this Congress is what is causing us to have these eral budget. We were serious about con- was serious about balancing the budg- enormous budget deficits. Members do trolling the growth in discretionary et. not want to admit that is the problem, spending. And every time we passed an There was a Pepsi commercial a few but that is at the very root of any fi- emergency supplemental bill, for the years ago that said life is a series of nancial difficulty we have, and the rea- benefit of some of the Members who choices. What we do on the floor of this son why we are facing substantial have come here in subsequent years, House every day is a series of choices. budget deficits today and into the fu- when we passed an emergency supple- We have to decide whether we are ture. mental bill, there was an offset. And as going to allow the Federal spending Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, will the a result, we balanced the budget in 4 machine to continue to grow at double gentleman yield? consecutive years. We paid down over the rate of the average family budget, Mr. HINCHEY. I yield to the gen- $450 billion worth of publicly held debt. or are we going to start to say enough tleman from Washington. And that was the right thing to do. is enough. Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, one of the Now, last year, after September 11, Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, things about this bill, it generates $6 and because of the slowdown of the will the gentleman yield? billion in revenue. This is a revenue- economy, we have begun to slip back Mr. GUTKNECHT. I yield to the gen- producing bill, and a large amount of into deficits. But we have a chance, as tleman from Washington. that revenue comes from the Bureau of we go through this appropriation proc- Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, Land Management. I want to point out ess, to begin to get the ship of state my understanding is that this bill is to Members, this amendment will cut headed back in the right direction. about 2.8 percent of an increase over into the BLM and will hurt our ability Now, I regret, I want to say to the last year. That is below what the fam- to gain this revenue. This comes from gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. ily budget of most families would be if oil leasing, cattle leases, mine leases, SKEEN) and all the members of the Sub- you look at inflation in this country. grazing leases, all of the various ways committee on Interior of the Com- So this bill is staying within the guide- that we raise money through this bill. mittee on Appropriations that it just lines, and we did so diligently, and Also, some Member said this is not a so happens that his bill is the first out with a lot of effort. big cut. This is a 20 percent reduction of the chute, because I know that he Mr. GUTKNECHT. Mr. Chairman, re- in the activities of the Bureau of Land does good work, and there are a lot of claiming my time, I will give all Mem- Management. It is $149 million below important things for all kinds of con- bers a medal and a kiss on the cheek. the President. It cuts $6.8 million from stituencies in this bill. But the ques- But the point is that this account has wildlife and fisheries. It cuts $21.4 mil- tion we ought to all ask ourselves is grown by more than double the infla- lion from energy development. It cuts this: Why should the Federal budget tion rate. All we are saying is let us $19 million from transportation on Fed- grow at a rate of twice that of the av- take this account back to the 1996 lev- eral lands. It cuts $15 million from re- erage family budget? els adjusted for inflation. I am not here source protection, and many other im- The average family budget in Amer- to be critical of the Committee on Ap- portant accounts. ica today is growing a little more than propriations because they have done a The chairman of the Committee on 3 percent. Discretionary spending, and good job. the Budget said he can support this I will be happy to talk to the chairman Mr. TOOMEY. Mr. Chairman, will the bill. The President has set up his state- of the Committee on Appropriations, gentleman yield? ment of administration policy. He can but discretionary spending is going to Mr. GUTKNECHT. I yield to the gen- support this bill. What we have here is grow this year, unless we get serious tleman from Pennsylvania. a small group of Members who are in- about controlling that growth rate, by Mr. TOOMEY. Mr. Chairman, if we tent on making a point. I think they more than 7 percent. Now, at a time exclude emergencies and look at the have made it, and I think the House when the average family budget is bill from last year and the bill that is now has to vote down this amendment growing 3 percent, discretionary spend- proposed, my number suggests that and show them that they support the ing is 7 percent. this is an increase of 5.54 percent, to be work of the Committee on Appropria- The question is: How much is exact, which is, of course, way above tions, and that we are in a position now enough? When are we going to say the rate of inflation and way above the to get some action on these 13 bills. We enough is enough? Because, my col- growth of most families’ budgets. have a responsibility to the country. leagues, if we stay on the path we are Mr. WAMP. Mr. Chairman, will the Let us get moving on these bills. on right now, and last week the House gentleman yield? Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Mr. Chairman, I passed what is very important legisla- Mr. GUTKNECHT. I yield to the gen- move to strike the requisite number of tion as regards prescription drug cov- tleman from Tennessee. words. erage, but if we look at the charts that Mr. WAMP. Mr. Chairman, we obvi- Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chair- have been prepared by the Republican ously have been wasting our time for man, will the gentleman yield? study committee, with that bill and quite some time because the gentleman Mr. CUNNINGHAM. I yield to the with the continuing growth in discre- is wrong. Without the emergencies that gentleman from Florida. tionary spending in this budget and the the gentleman is referring to, this bill Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chair- next, we are going to be looking at $250 is a 2.8 percent increase. That is a fact. man, I think we are getting close to billion deficits as far as the eye can I hope we are not held up all night long the end of this debate, at least I have see. Now, that is not what the Amer- on an unfactual basis. consulted with some of the potential ican people sent us here to do. Mr. HINCHEY. Mr. Chairman, I move speakers, and I think we are near the So, unfortunately, we have to begin to strike the requisite number of end. to stand and draw a line in the sand words. I have to say I am a little uncomfort- and say, enough is enough. And unfor- Mr. Chairman, I point out to Mem- able here today because these Members tunately, it happens to be that this is bers that yes, it is true that we are fac- who are proposing this amendment, I the first bill. What this amendment ing budget deficits once again. But the find myself more philosophically tuned does, as I understand it, we simply go reason we are facing these budget defi- in to their position than to my friends

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00061 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.159 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4738 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 who are supporting my position on this [Roll No. 305] McInnis Price (NC) Stark amendment. However, I still think McIntyre Pryce (OH) Strickland AYES—84 McKeon Putnam Stump these Members are wrong in this case. Akin Goodlatte Platts McKinney Radanovich Stupak I want to correct a couple of things. Armey Graham Portman McNulty Rahall Sweeney First of all, the President’s budget, Barr Graves Rogers (MI) Meehan Ramstad Tanner when he sent it down here, was $768 bil- Bartlett Green (WI) Rohrabacher Meek (FL) Rangel Tauscher Barton Gutknecht Royce Meeks (NY) Regula Tauzin lion for discretionary spending. The Menendez Rehberg Bass Hart Ryan (WI) Taylor (NC) budget that we are working under in Millender- Reyes Berry Hefley Ryun (KS) Thomas McDonald Reynolds the House is not the $768 billion that Boehner Hill Schaffer Thompson (CA) the President requested, it is $759 bil- Boozman Hilleary Sensenbrenner Miller, Dan Rivers Miller, Gary Rodriguez Thompson (MS) lion. We are under the President’s Brady (TX) Hoekstra Sessions Thune Burr Hostettler Shadegg Miller, George Roemer Thurman budget request by $9 billion, but we are Burton Johnson, Sam Shimkus Mink Rogers (KY) Tiahrt working with it. Cantor Jones (NC) Shows Mollohan Ros-Lehtinen Tierney One of the earlier speakers, the gen- Chabot Keller Smith (MI) Moore Ross Moran (KS) Rothman Towns tleman from Wisconsin, talked about Coble Kennedy (MN) Souder Collins Kerns Stearns Moran (VA) Roukema Udall (CO) how this is unraveling the appropria- Cox Kirk Stenholm Morella Roybal-Allard Udall (NM) tions process. He talked about how we Crane Lucas (KY) Sullivan Murtha Rush Velazquez are going to spend all the money on the Culberson Manzullo Tancredo Napolitano Sabo Visclosky Neal Sanchez Vitter easy bills, and then we are going to rip Davis, Jo Ann Mica Taylor (MS) DeLay Miller, Jeff Terry Nethercutt Sanders Walden off the bills at the end. The gentleman DeMint Myrick Thornberry Ney Sandlin Walsh specifically mentioned the Labor-HHS Doggett Norwood Tiberi Northup Sawyer Wamp bill, the Veterans Affairs-HUD bill, and Duncan Nussle Toomey Oberstar Saxton Waters Obey Schakowsky the Commerce-State-Justice bill. Flake Paul Turner Watkins (OK) Forbes Pence Upton Olver Schiff Watson (CA) The Labor-HHS bill under the Com- Fossella Petri Weldon (FL) Ortiz Schrock Watt (NC) mittee on Appropriations’ 302(b) is ex- Goode Pitts Wilson (SC) Osborne Scott Watts (OK) Ose Serrano actly at the President’s request. Waxman Otter Shaw NOES—332 Weiner The 302(b) for the Commerce-Justice- Owens Shays Weldon (PA) State bill is only one percent below the Abercrombie Davis (IL) Houghton Oxley Sherman President’s request. Ackerman Davis, Tom Hoyer Pallone Sherwood Weller Wexler The 302(b) for the VA–HUD bill is less Aderholt Deal Hulshof Pascrell Shuster Allen DeFazio Hunter Pastor Simmons Whitfield than one percent below the President’s Andrews DeGette Hyde Payne Simpson Wicker request. So we are not messing up the Baca Delahunt Inslee Pelosi Skeen Wilson (NM) appropriations process. It is not unrav- Bachus DeLauro Isakson Peterson (MN) Skelton Wolf Baird Deutsch Israel Peterson (PA) Slaughter Woolsey eling. Baker Diaz-Balart Issa As I said, philosophically I tend to be Phelps Smith (NJ) Wu Baldacci Dicks Jackson (IL) Pickering Smith (TX) Wynn more in tune with these Members, but Baldwin Dingell Jackson-Lee Pombo Snyder Young (AK) in this case it is important that we de- Ballenger Doolittle (TX) Pomeroy Solis Young (FL) Barcia Doyle Jefferson feat this amendment. The Bureau of Barrett Dreier Jenkins NOT VOTING—18 Land Management is involved in proc- Becerra Dunn John Blagojevich Harman Quinn esses that bring in $6 billion a year be- Bentsen Edwards Johnson (CT) Bonior Hastings (FL) Riley cause of leasing arrangements that Bereuter Ehlers Johnson (IL) Clay Istook Smith (WA) Berkley Emerson Johnson, E. B. Dooley Lynch Spratt have been ongoing. We do not want to Berman Engel Jones (OH) unravel that process. Ehrlich Mascara Sununu Biggert English Kanjorski Gilman Nadler Traficant I want to close with this comment, Bilirakis Eshoo Kaptur and I did not ask all of my colleagues Bishop Etheridge Kelly b 2016 Blumenauer Evans Kennedy (RI) this question because there were too Blunt Everett Kildee Messrs. COMBEST, OTTER, RAN- many of them. But what is the dif- Boehlert Farr Kilpatrick GEL, WYNN and SAXTON changed ference in a dollar spent by back-door Bonilla Fattah Kind (WI) their vote from ‘‘aye’’ to ‘‘no.’’ spending in a mandated spending bill, Bono Ferguson King (NY) Borski Filner Kingston Messrs. TERRY, FORBES, LUCAS of and a dollar spent in a discretionary Boswell Fletcher Kleczka Kentucky and FOSSELLA, and Mrs. JO spending bill? The way I look at it, Boucher Foley Knollenberg ANN DAVIS of Virginia changed their there is no difference. A dollar spent is Boyd Ford Kolbe vote from ‘‘no’’ to ‘‘aye.’’ a dollar spent. What is magic about Brady (PA) Frank Kucinich Brown (FL) Frelinghuysen LaFalce So the amendment was rejected. mandatory programs versus discre- Brown (OH) Frost LaHood The result of the vote was announced tionary programs? Brown (SC) Gallegly Lampson as above recorded. I was happy to remind some of my Bryant Ganske Langevin Buyer Gekas Lantos Stated against: friendly colleagues who support this Mr. GILMAN. Mr. Speaker, earlier amendment that they in fact voted for Callahan Gephardt Larsen (WA) Calvert Gibbons Larson (CT) this evening, I attempted to vote on the farm bill, and I am not saying that Camp Gilchrest Latham the Toomey Amendment to H.R. 5093 it is a good vote or a bad vote, but it Cannon Gillmor LaTourette but my vote was not recorded. Accord- spent $90 billion over the baseline. Capito Gonzalez Leach Capps Gordon Lee ingly, if I had been able to vote on roll- That is a $90 billion increase over a pe- Capuano Goss Levin riod of years. What is the difference in call No. 305, I would have voted ‘‘no.’’ Cardin Granger Lewis (CA) Mr. ALLEN. Mr. Chairman, I move to $90 billion spent there. And now they Carson (IN) Green (TX) Lewis (GA) want to unravel this bill for $162 mil- Carson (OK) Greenwood Lewis (KY) strike the last word for the purpose of lion. Castle Grucci Linder entering into a colloquy with the dis- Chambliss Gutierrez Lipinski tinguished chairman of the Sub- The CHAIRMAN. The question is on Clayton Hall (OH) LoBiondo the amendment offered by the gen- Clement Hall (TX) Lofgren committee on Interior Appropriations. tleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Clyburn Hansen Lowey Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, Combest Hastings (WA) Lucas (OK) TOOMEY). will the gentleman yield? Condit Hayes Luther Mr. ALLEN. I certainly will yield. The question was taken; and the Conyers Hayworth Maloney (CT) Chairman announced that the noes ap- Cooksey Herger Maloney (NY) Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, peared to have it. Costello Hilliard Markey on behalf of the chairman of the sub- Coyne Hinchey Matheson RECORDED VOTE committee, I would be pleased to have Cramer Hinojosa Matsui Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I demand Crenshaw Hobson McCarthy (MO) a colloquy with the gentleman from a recorded vote. Crowley Hoeffel McCarthy (NY) Maine. A recorded vote was ordered. Cubin Holden McCollum Mr. ALLEN. Mr. Chairman, I would The vote was taken by electronic de- Cummings Holt McCrery like to bring to the attention of the Cunningham Honda McDermott vice, and there were—ayes 84, noes 332, Davis (CA) Hooley McGovern chairman of the subcommittee, the not voting 18, as follows: Davis (FL) Horn McHugh gentleman from New Mexico (Mr.

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00062 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.170 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4739 SKEEN), the need for land acquisition Egmont Key’s cultural and rec- Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, if funding at the Rachel Carson Natural reational benefits for years, and the the gentleman will yield further, the Wildlife Refuge at my district in local support for conveying the owner- committee will look forward to work- Maine. I appreciate the chairman’s ship of this island to the Florida State ing with the gentleman after the past support for the refuge and its land Park Service is strong, and I do have Egmont Key transformation legislation acquisition program, which purchases bipartisan support. I anticipate the leg- has been enacted. critical coastal, estuarine and upland islation will be enacted before the com- Mr. DOOLITTLE. Mr. Chairman, I properties from willing sellers in order mencement of the conference com- move to strike the last word to engage to conserve critical wildlife habitat mittee on interior appropriations for in a colloquy with the distinguished that is being lost to development up the fiscal year 2003, and upon enact- gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. and down the coast of Maine. ment of authorization legislation, I SKEEN) or his representative. While I understand the difficulties will be requesting appropriations from Mr. Chairman, I very much appre- the chairman faced in crafting this the distinguished gentleman’s sub- ciate the gentleman from New Mexico. bill, I also must point out that in fiscal committee. He is truly a man of the West. He has year 2003, there was a continuing need This island in the middle of Tampa distinguished himself as such, and I for funding to acquire a number of Bay is really kind of in three Members’ just wish to offer my congratulations properties within the Rachel Carson districts, including the gentleman from to him on his service here and well refuge boundary. Florida (Mr. YOUNG), the chairman of wishes for the future after his service The refuge, working in partnership the full Committee on Appropriations, is concluded. with other organizations, has agree- and the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman ments with willing landowners to pur- DAVIS) of the Tampa area, and he will for agreeing to engage in this colloquy. chase several properties. If funds are be working with me on this issue. As the chairman is aware, my col- not available this year, these critical Let me make one other comment. league, the gentleman from California natural resource lands could be lost Upon conveyance of land by the Fed- (Mr. RADANOVICH), and I both sent let- forever to development. eral Government, the Federal Govern- ters expressing our support for funding As the chairman is aware, the Senate ment will actually save money in the in the amount of $2,943,150 from the fis- Interior appropriations includes $3 mil- long term, and I want to make sure my cal year 2003 interior appropriations lion for Rachel Carson National Wild- colleagues are aware that there will be measure to compensate the High Sierra life Refuge. I respectfully urge the a savings in the long term. Packers Associations for losses in- chairman to consider including this Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, curred as a result of a recent injunc- amount in the final conference report. will the gentleman yield? tion issued against the United States Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, if Mr. DAN MILLER of Florida. I yield Forest Service. the gentleman will yield, I thank the to the gentleman from Washington. The injunction resulted in tremen- gentleman for his comments; and we Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, dous decreases in pack use within the appreciate the gentleman’s arguments the subcommittee is aware of the gen- Ansel Adams and John Muir Wilderness on behalf of the Rachel Carson refuge. tleman’s good work and also has the Areas located in both the Inyo and Si- On behalf of the chairman of the sub- same understanding as the gentleman erra National Forests within Cali- committee, we can assure the gen- that there will be a savings of money. fornia. Losses accumulated from this tleman that we will consider his re- Mr. DAN MILLER of Florida. Mr. court mandate were based on the forest quest as we work towards completion Chairman, I yield to my colleague from service’s own violation of the law. This of this bill. Florida (Mr. DAVIS). is simply unacceptable. Therefore, my Mr. DAN MILLER of Florida. Mr. Mr. DAVIS of Florida. Mr. Chairman, colleague and I respectfully requested Chairman, I move to strike the last I would just like to join in the gentle- that the Federal Government reim- word. man’s comments and to thank the burse the High Sierra Packers Associa- Mr. Chairman, I rise to ask to have a chairman for his recognition of this tions in the sum of $2,943,150 for the un- colloquy with the chairman of the sub- very important issue. This is one of the just decision dealt to them. committee, or if the gentleman from most historic parts of the Tampa Bay We look forward to working with the Washington (Mr. NETHERCUTT) would area. It is a convergence of the gen- distinguished gentleman from New engage in a colloquy with me. tleman of Florida’s (Mr. DAN MILLER), Mexico to see what avenues may be Mr. Chairman, I would like to add my the gentleman of Florida’s (Chairman available to help the packers who, compliments to the great job that the Young), and the district I represent; through no fault of their own, have gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. and we will be introducing legislation been injured. SKEEN) has done over the past years. I shortly to transfer title, and there cer- Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, have had the pleasure of serving for the tainly will be appropriation issues ac- will the gentleman yield? past 8 years on the Committee on Ap- companying that. This is also a piece Mr. DOOLITTLE. I yield to the gen- propriations with him. It has always of land that the gentleman from Wash- tleman from Washington. been a pleasure and he has been a real ington (Mr. DICKS), the ranking mem- Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, leader. I will be retiring with the gen- ber of the subcommittee, is very famil- on behalf of the subcommittee and the tleman, and we can look forward to the iar with as well. chairman of the subcommittee, we next years. Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, will the thank the gentleman from California I would like to talk about Egmont gentleman yield? for bringing this important issue to our Key. As the chairman may know, I will Mr. DAN MILLER of Florida. I yield attention. The staff and the chairman be authorizing legislation, bipartisan to the gentleman from Washington. are prepared to assist the gentleman legislation very soon to convey a small Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, we cer- and the gentleman from California (Mr. island in my district named Egmont tainly will help and cooperate and do RADANOVICH) in finding alternative Key in the mouth of Tampa Bay to the everything we can to be supportive. means to rectify the situation. Florida State Park Service. This island Mr. DAN MILLER of Florida. Mr. Mr. DEAL of Georgia. Mr. Chairman, in Tampa Bay is currently under the Chairman, I might add in concluding I move to strike the last word. jurisdiction of the U.S. Fish and Wild- that the Florida State Park Service, Mr. Chairman, I would like to also life Service, but it is operated by the under the authorizing legislation, will engage in a colloquy with the sub- Florida State Park Service, and it has have to continue to preserve the wild- committee chairman or his representa- three full-time State park rangers al- life, habitat, and the environment that tive. ready stationed on the island. exists on the island. I look forward to First of all, I would like to extend Egmont Key is unique and is natural working with the Committee on Appro- my congratulations too for the hard in its cultural history, and that has priations once we get the authorization work that the gentleman from New made that island a very valuable re- legislation moving forward. I thank the Mexico (Mr. SKEEN), the chairman of source to our area. Area residents, in- chairman for hopefully working with the subcommittee, has given to us, not cluding my family and I, have enjoyed us on this. only this year, but in many past years.

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00063 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.166 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4740 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 We are going to miss him in the next what they are trying to do; and I want Mr. GREEN of Wisconsin. I yield to Congress. to say in terms of the conference, I the gentleman from Washington. Mr. Chairman, I would like to call to want to do everything I can, Mr. Chair- Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, I the attention of the Congress and this man, to try to get this thing corrected. thank the gentleman for yielding. subcommittee an issue that is of seri- Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, I would say to the ous concern to my constituents in the will the gentleman yield? gentleman, I know that we have agreed Chattahoochee-Oconee National For- Mr. DEAL of Georgia. I yield to the we need to take quick action to deal ests area in the State of Georgia. gentleman from Washington. with this chronic wasting disease. Additional funding is needed to cor- From the information the gentleman b 2030 rect a shortfall in law enforcement has shared with us, it appears that funding for these forests that are at Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, more funding is needed in order to ad- the doorstep of the metropolitan area on behalf of the chairman of the sub- dress this problem. in Atlanta, Georgia. Additional law en- committee, I thank all three gentle- Mr. GREEN of Wisconsin. That is forcement personnel are needed to pro- men from Georgia for their kind words correct, Mr. Chairman. As part of the vide adequate protection for visitors, about the chairman on this issue, and I new Federal task force on chronic adequate protection of the forests’ nat- can assure the gentlemen that the wasting disease, the U.S. Geologic Sur- ural resources, and to increase efforts chairman and the committee will work vey needs additional funding. The cur- to combat illegal drug production and in conference to address their concerns rent estimated total dollar funding trafficking. Viable options include hir- regarding adequate protection of visi- need for the USGS for chronic wasting ing additional personnel or increasing tors and resources in Georgia’s na- disease activity is about $6.6 million cooperative law enforcement agree- tional forests. for fiscal year 2003 alone. Keeping in mind that my colleague, ments with State and county law en- Mr. DEAL of Georgia. I thank both the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. forcement agencies. gentlemen for their cooperation. I do I realize that tough decisions will be look forward to working with them in OBEY), has already secured $2.7 million for the needs in the bill before us made in this year’s budget, but I be- conference. today, we are left with a need of an ad- lieve that safety of the users of public Mr. GREEN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chair- ditional $3.9 million which is required lands rises to a high priority level. I man, I move to strike the last word. to meet the funding goal. That is why am encouraged by the chairman’s ef- Mr. Chairman, I rise to make a state- ment, and then to engage in a colloquy I was going to offer this amendment. forts to work with me, and I expect Mr. NETHERCUTT. If the gentleman that he will be able to address this re- with the chairman or his representa- tive. will continue to yield, Mr. Chairman, quest as he moves this bill through the gentleman and other Members of conference. Mr. Chairman, I rise today to talk about a crisis in my home State of Wis- the Wisconsin delegation are to be con- Mr. Chairman, I yield to the gen- gratulated for their hard work on this tleman from Georgia (Mr. NORWOOD). consin, something that folks around here may not have heard much about, matter. Mr. NORWOOD. Mr. Chairman, I The chairman believes we can meet but I fear that they will. The subject is wanted to take a minute to thank the that goal as the appropriations process chronic wasting disease, which is a dis- gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. goes forward. We have his pledge to the ease that afflicts elk and deer. There is SKEEN) too and thank the gentleman gentlemen from Wisconsin, Mr. GREEN no cure. There is no treatment. In fact, from Georgia (Mr. DEAL) for their hard and Mr. RYAN, and to the other Mem- we are not even sure, quite frankly, work on this issue. Since I hope I will bers that the chairman will use his po- how it is spread. be representing many of the forests in sition in the conference committee on It was first recognized in the State of question that we are discussing here in this bill with the Senate to do every- Colorado back in 1967. Now, sadly, the 108th Congress, this issue will con- thing that we can to see that the need- some nine States, including my home tinue to be very important to me. ed funding is provided. Securing sufficient dollars for law State of Wisconsin, have been afflicted Mr. GREEN of Wisconsin. I thank the enforcement to ensure the safety, envi- by it. It is a health challenge because chairman very much, and my col- ronmental quality, and the security of we do not understand how this disease leagues from Wisconsin, for their co- the Chattahoochee-Oconee National is spread, and we want to make certain operation and hard work, and I look Forests is critically important, as fu- that it cannot spread into other spe- forward to working together with them ture generations deserve to enjoy this cies. and with the chairman in the future on treasure as those have in the past. I It is obviously an environmental this issue that affects our home State. look forward to working with both gen- challenge, and it is also a cultural I will not offer my amendment, but I tlemen in the coming weeks to pre- challenge, because deer hunting and thank the gentleman for engaging me serve this objective within our Georgia wildlife management is a critical part in a colloquy. forests. of the culture in my home State and Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I move to Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Chairman, will some other States. It is certainly an strike the last word. the gentleman yield? economic challenge, because there are Mr. Chairman, I simply want to, in a Mr. DEAL of Georgia. I yield to the 1.6 million deer in Wisconsin, 600,000 continuing comment on the previous gentleman from Georgia. hunters, and the deer harvest each year subject, note that this committee has Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Chairman, I is approximately 300,000 animals. been quite generous, I think, in helping thank the gentleman for yielding, and The sad news, Mr. Chairman, is that us to meet our responsibilities in deal- I want to say that I support the efforts we are short on research, and we are ing with this problem, chronic wasting of my colleagues from Georgia and just as short on testing capacity. I disease. know of their efforts to try to get this came here today with an amendment Last year, the committee provided corrected. which would have provided money to $2.25 million for the Department of Ag- I have been disappointed that we as a relevant agencies to try to implement riculture and the Centers for Disease committee have not been able to come part of a comprehensive plan, but in Control. In the supplemental appro- up with a satisfactory solution, but I discussing this matter with the chair- priation bill, which passed the House know the gentlemen from Georgia (Mr. man in his office, I am confident that and the Senate, the committee pro- DEAL) and (Mr. NORWOOD) have a seri- we can reach that goal without an vided $12 million in the House version, ous local problem here that we have amendment. and thanks to the efforts of the other got to address on a national basis, be- Mr. Chairman, I would like to engage body, Senators KOHL and FEINGOLD, cause I think there are some issues in a colloquy with the distinguished they have provided $21 million in the that have been inherited from past ad- chairman of the subcommittee, the Senate bill. ministrations that we are now suf- gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. In the Interior bill so far we have $2.7 fering from. SKEEN), or his representative. million, and in the Agriculture bill, So I wanted to say to my colleagues Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, which will follow on, we have $16.4 mil- from Georgia that I stand in support of will the gentleman yield? lion. So I think we have received fine

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00064 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.168 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4741 cooperation on the legislative end from from Wisconsin (Mr. OBEY), for under- Mr. HAYES. Mr. Chairman, I thank the committee, and I appreciate it. standing the importance of this needed the chairman of the committee, the Mr. KIND. Mr. Chairman, will the funding. This funding will be vital in gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. gentleman yield? slowing the spread of the disease, as SKEEN), for all his wonderful work. Mr. OBEY. I yield to the gentleman well as learning a lot more about it. Mr. FORBES. Mr. Chairman, I move from Wisconsin. Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I thank to strike the last word for the purpose Mr. KIND. Mr. Chairman, I thank the the gentlewoman. I simply want to say, of engaging in a colloquy with the gentleman for yielding to me. I just a lot more money will be required in chairman or his designee. want to commend the ranking member the future, not just in Wisconsin but in Mr. Chairman, I would first like to on the Committee on Appropriations a number of States around the country. thank my colleague, the gentleman for his attention to this very serious We will have to deal with this as a na- from New Mexico (Mr. SKEEN), for his issue that has afflicted the State of tional problem, because it is a national hard work on this bill before us today. Wisconsin, chronic wasting disease. problem. I recognize the difficult choices that Mr. Chairman, I am an avid hunter Mr. HAYES. Mr. Chairman, I move to must be made, and appreciate the fair myself, with two little boys, and this strike the last word. and balanced bill he has developed. has sent shock waves across the entire Mr. Chairman, I would like to enter The Fourth District in Virginia is State of Wisconsin. This is the first into a colloquy with the gentleman home to a large part of the Great Dis- time the disease has been detected east from Washington (Mr. NETHERCUTT). mal Swamp National Wildlife Refuge. of the Mississippi. It has now been de- Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, The remaining portion is in North tected west of the Continental Divide. will the gentleman yield? Carolina. This refuge was established It has also been detected down in New Mr. HAYES. I yield to the gentleman nearly 30 years ago with the express from Washington. Mexico. purpose of protecting a unique eco- Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, I This is a disease that is spreading system. Its 109,000 acres are home to a would be happy to have a colloquy with across the continent, and the paucity large diversity of fish, bird, animal, the gentleman from North Carolina. of scientific research has led to a lot of and plant species. Mr. HAYES. Mr. Chairman, I would As of late, it has become an increas- bad options on how to contain it. That like to share with my colleagues an is why earlier this year I introduced ingly popular attraction for ecotourists issue of importance regarding the En- from across the region, the State, and legislation to establish a comprehen- ergy Star program. sive scientific research program so we the Nation. Over the last 18 months, the Depart- The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is can start getting some answers in re- ment of Energy has solicited public currently in the process of developing gard to CWD, and what we can best do comment for proposals to change the its comprehensive conservation plan to contain it and hopefully eradicate criteria applicable to its Energy Star for the Great Dismal Swamp. As part it, so future generations may enjoy the windows, doors, and skylights program. of this process, the service is planning sport of hunting whitetail in the State A recent decision by the Department of the construction of a visitors center. It of Wisconsin. Energy confirms that no new criteria is my hope that ultimately the service But this has received a lot of atten- will be implemented, and the current will determine that the most appro- tion. We have been working in a bipar- Energy Star criteria for windows, priate location for the visitors center tisan fashion within the Wisconsin del- doors, and skylights will remain in ef- is on the Virginia side of the refuge. egation. Our leader here, the gen- fect. In fact, according to a letter my of- tleman from Wisconsin (Mr. OBEY), on I would like to take this opportunity fice received from Lloyd Culp, the ref- the Committee on Appropriations has to commend the DOE for removing uge manager, on January 18, this out- been very attentive to these issues, and from consideration the proposal to come is the most logical and efficient the mounting expenses and the great change the criteria so that the Depart- conclusion. As Mr. Culp indicated, concern we have in Wisconsin over the ment of Energy may more carefully ‘‘One cannot plan for visitor access to impact of this disease. analyze the significance of solar heat the Great Dismal Swamp National I am heartened to hear the assurance again in certain regions of the country. Wildlife Refuge without working on from the other Members of the com- By withdrawing this proposal from improved access to Lake Drummond, mittee, the ranking member and the consideration, DOE has averted the which is undoubtedly the most popular chairman himself, whom we have been creation of a government-sanctioned attraction for the refuge. All current in touch with, in regard to their atten- monopoly, and determined that com- land access to Lake Drummond is with- tion to this issue. I am confident that petition is preferred and marketplace in the city of Suffolk, Virginia, and I if we can continue proceeding in a bi- forces should prevail. don’t see that changing.’’ partisan fashion, hopefully we will be I would also like to commend DOE on I would appreciate the opportunity to able to get things in place in order to their intention to complete additional continue working with my colleague, prevent the further spread of this dis- research concerning technical issues the gentleman from New Mexico, to- ease, and hopefully, eventually the before proposing any future change to wards ensuring that the conference re- eradication of it. the current criteria. port on this bill and future appropria- Ms. BALDWIN. Mr. Chairman, will Is it my colleague’s position that any tion bills leads to the establishment of the gentleman yield? proposed changes to the criteria for a topnotch visitors center for the Great Mr. OBEY. I yield to the gentle- this program by DOE should be based Dismal Swamp refuge, which makes woman from Wisconsin. on sound science, should rely on the the most of the natural advantages of Ms. BALDWIN. Mr. Chairman, I collective input of stakeholders in the spots like Lake Drummond to ensure thank the gentleman for yielding to program and, above all, should con- its success. me. tinue to rely on the marketplace to de- Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, Last February, when the first case of termine the structure of the industries will the gentleman yield? chronic wasting disease was docu- affected by this program? Mr. FORBES. I yield to the gen- mented in my district, a quiet panic Mr. NETHERCUTT. If the gentleman tleman from Washington. began to race against south central will continue to yield, the gentleman Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, Wisconsin. People wondered how seri- from North Carolina makes a very good we appreciate my colleague’s interest ously this disease would affect the point. We commend him for his excel- in this matter, and certainly offer to health of the deer population, as well lent work in this area. I note on behalf work with him toward that end. I as the health of their own families. of the chairman of the subcommittee speak on behalf of the chairman and On behalf of my constituents, I would that we look forward to working with the entire subcommittee. like to thank the chairman, the gen- the gentleman from North Carolina to Mr. FORBES. Mr. Chairman, I thank tleman from New Mexico (Mr. SKEEN), ensure the continued integrity of the the chairman. the ranking member, the gentleman Energy Star program. We thank the AMENDMENT OFFERED BY MR. FLAKE from Washington (Mr. DICKS), and the gentleman very much for bringing this Mr. FLAKE. Mr. Chairman, I offer an dean of our delegation, the gentleman to the committee’s attention. amendment.

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00065 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.172 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4742 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 The Clerk read as follows: King (NY) Ney Shows b 2105 Kingston Northup Shuster Amendment offered by Mr. FLAKE: Kleczka Norwood Simmons Messrs. TERRY, ROHRABACHER, On page 2, line 13, insert after the dollar Knollenberg Oberstar Simpson BURTON of Indiana, MCGOVERN, Ms. amount ‘‘(reduced by $51,300,000).’’ Kolbe Obey Skeen JACKSON-LEE of Texas and Mr. Kucinich Olver Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I ask Skelton FOSSELLA changed their vote from LaFalce Ortiz Slaughter unanimous consent that all debate on LaHood Osborne Smith (NJ) ‘‘aye’’ to ‘‘no.’’ this amendment and all amendments Lampson Ose Smith (TX) Ms. DEGETTE and Ms. WOOLSEY thereto be limited to 10 minutes. Langevin Owens Snyder Lantos Oxley changed their vote from ‘‘no’’ to ‘‘aye.’’ Solis The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection Larsen (WA) Pallone So the motion was agreed to. Stearns Larson (CT) Pascrell The result of the vote was announced to the request of the gentleman from Strickland Latham Payne New Mexico? Stupak as above recorded. Leach Pelosi The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman Mr. TOOMEY. I object, Mr. Chair- Levin Peterson (MN) Sweeney man. Lewis (CA) Peterson (PA) Tanner from Arizona (Mr. FLAKE) will be rec- The CHAIRMAN. The Chair hears an Lewis (KY) Petri Tauscher ognized for 5 minutes and a Member op- Taylor (MS) objection. Linder Phelps posed will be recognized for 5 minutes. Lipinski Pickering Taylor (NC) MOTION TO LIMIT DEBATE OFFERED BY MR. LoBiondo Pomeroy Thomas The Chair recognizes the gentleman NETHERCUTT Lofgren Portman Thompson (CA) from Arizona (Mr. FLAKE). Lowey Price (NC) Thompson (MS) Mr. FLAKE. Mr. Chairman, I yield Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, I Lucas (KY) Pryce (OH) Thornberry move that all debate on the amend- myself such time as I may consume. Lucas (OK) Putnam Thune Let me just say I feel particularly ment and all amendments thereto be Maloney (CT) Radanovich Thurman limited to 10 minutes. Maloney (NY) Rahall Tiahrt honored that they have chosen to limit Manzullo Ramstad The CHAIRMAN. The question is on Tiberi the debate on my amendment. I am not Markey Rangel Tierney sure what the opposition is afraid of, the motion offered by the gentleman Matsui Regula Towns but in any event, we will move ahead. from Washington. McCarthy (MO) Rehberg Turner The last amendment that we voted The question was taken; and the McCarthy (NY) Reyes Udall (CO) McCrery Reynolds on, it was said by the Democratic oppo- Chairman announced that the noes ap- Udall (NM) McHugh Rivers Upton sition that that was a meat ax ap- peared to have it. McInnis Rodriguez Velazquez McIntyre Roemer proach to this bill. I am pleased to say Visclosky RECORDED VOTE McKeon Rogers (KY) Vitter that this is more of a machete kind of Mr. NETHERCUTT. Mr. Chairman, I McNulty Ros-Lehtinen Walden approach. The last one cut about $162 Meehan Ross demand a recorded vote. Walsh Meek (FL) Rothman million from the Interior bill. This will Wamp A recorded vote was ordered. Meeks (NY) Roybal-Allard cut about $51 million. It is about a The vote was taken by electronic de- Menendez Rush Watkins (OK) third of the original amendment. If vice, and there were—ayes 324, noes 79, Mica Sabo Watson (CA) Watt (NC) they do not like that, then we will not voting 31, as follows: Millender- Sanchez McDonald Sanders Waxman take, I guess, the scalpel approach. The [Roll No. 306] Miller, Dan Sandlin Weiner next amendment offered by the gen- Weldon (FL) AYES—324 Miller, Gary Sawyer tleman from Indiana (Mr. PENCE) will Miller, Jeff Saxton Weldon (PA) Abercrombie Combest Gonzalez Mink Schakowsky Weller cut, I believe, $13 million from the bill. Ackerman Conyers Goode Mollohan Schiff Wexler So we are here to please and to offer a Aderholt Costello Goodlatte Moore Schrock Whitfield variety of amendments. Allen Cramer Goss Moran (VA) Scott Wilson (NM) A lot has been said about the farm Andrews Crenshaw Granger Morella Sensenbrenner Wolf Armey Crowley Green (TX) Murtha Shaw Woolsey bill. In fact, many Members were asked Baca Culberson Green (WI) Napolitano Shays Wynn if they had voted for the farm bill, yet Bachus Cummings Greenwood Neal Sherman Young (AK) were supporting the amendments that Baker Cunningham Grucci Nethercutt Sherwood Young (FL) Baldacci Davis (CA) Gutierrez were offered here. Baldwin Davis (FL) Hall (TX) NOES—79 I would gladly yield to the gentleman Ballenger Davis (IL) Hansen from Florida if he wants to ask if I Barcia Davis, Jo Ann Harman Akin Graves Pitts Barr Davis, Tom Hastings (WA) Baird Gutknecht Platts voted for the farm bill. I did not. I will Barrett Deal Hayes Bartlett Hart Pombo be glad to yield if anybody asked if I Bass DeFazio Hefley Barton Hayworth Rogers (MI) voted for the airline bailout. I did not. Blunt Hilleary Rohrabacher Becerra DeGette Herger I will be glad to yield if anybody asked Bentsen DeLauro Hill Brady (TX) Hinchey Royce Bereuter Deutsch Hilliard Burton Hoekstra Ryan (WI) if I voted for the President’s education Berkley Diaz-Balart Hobson Cantor Hostettler Ryun (KS) bill. I did not. Berman Dicks Hoeffel Capuano Jackson-Lee Schaffer I have not voted for any of the big Berry Dingell Holden Carson (IN) (TX) Serrano Chabot Jenkins spending bills. I think they are spend- Biggert Doyle Holt Sessions Clay Johnson, Sam Bilirakis Dreier Honda Shadegg ing far too much. The average Amer- Condit Jones (NC) Bishop Duncan Hooley Shimkus ican has to work 181 days of the year Cox Lee Blumenauer Dunn Horn Smith (MI) Crane Lewis (GA) simply to pay the cost of government. Boehlert Edwards Houghton Souder Bonilla Ehlers Hoyer Cubin Luther That is, I believe, six days longer than Delahunt Matheson Stark Bono Ehrlich Hulshof Stenholm we had to work last year. We are Boozman Emerson Hunter DeLay McCollum DeMint McDermott Stump spending simply too much. Borski Engel Hyde Sullivan Early this year Citizens Against Gov- Boswell English Inslee Doggett McGovern Sununu Boucher Eshoo Israel Doolittle McKinney ernment Waste identified $20.1 billion Tancredo Boyd Etheridge Issa Filner Miller, George Terry in Federal pork projects. This is an in- Brady (PA) Evans Istook Flake Moran (KS) Toomey crease of 9 percent over last year’s Brown (FL) Everett Jackson (IL) Fossella Myrick Brown (OH) Farr Jefferson Frank Otter Waters total. The money was spread out over Brown (SC) Fattah John Gilchrest Pastor Wilson (SC) 8,341 projects injected into the appro- Bryant Ferguson Johnson (CT) Graham Pence Wu priations bills in fiscal year 2002. This Callahan Fletcher Johnson (IL) is an increase of 32 percent. Calvert Foley Johnson, E. B. NOT VOTING—31 Camp Forbes Jones (OH) Blagojevich Hall (OH) Quinn The report also identified $1.2 trillion Capito Ford Kanjorski Boehner Hastings (FL) Riley in savings over 5 years in its prime Capps Frelinghuysen Kaptur Bonior Hinojosa Roukema cuts report. For those who say that we Cardin Frost Keller Burr Isakson Smith (WA) simply cannot cut anymore, that is Carson (OK) Gallegly Kelly Buyer Kirk Spratt Castle Ganske Kennedy (MN) Cannon LaTourette Tauzin wrong. We can cut. We are simply Chambliss Gekas Kennedy (RI) Clayton Lynch Traficant spending too much. The problem is not Clement Gephardt Kerns Cooksey Mascara Watts (OK) tax cuts. The problem is spending. We Clyburn Gibbons Kildee Coyne Nadler Wicker Coble Gillmor Kilpatrick Dooley Nussle are spending far more this year than Collins Gilman Kind (WI) Gordon Paul we spent the year before. We spent far

VerDate jun 06 2002 05:32 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00066 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.174 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4743 more last year than we did the year be- Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, the Bu- The CHAIRMAN. The question is on fore that. We have got a long way to go reau of Land Management, just in case the amendment offered by the gen- before we reach fiscal discipline. some people would like to know, for tleman from Arizona (Mr. FLAKE). In fact, we have heard a lot over the the multiple use management protec- The question was taken; and the last couple of weeks about corporate tion and development of a full range of Chairman announced that the noes ap- crooks. Let me tell my colleagues, over natural resources, including minerals, peared to have it. the past 5 years, lawmakers have spent timber, rangeland, fish, wildlife habi- RECORDED VOTE a total of $142 billion above the levels tat and wilderness of about 262 million Mr. FLAKE. Mr. Chairman, I demand in corresponding budgets. These are acres of the Nation’s public lands, and a recorded vote. our own budgets that we passed, and for management of 700 million addi- A recorded vote was ordered. yet we go above, $142 billion over 5 tional acres of federally owned sub- The vote was taken by electronic de- years. That is more than 12 times the surface mineral rights, the bureau is vice, and there were—ayes 85, noes 337, misstated earnings from Enron, Xerox the second largest supplier of public not voting 12, as follows: and WorldCom combined. For us to lec- outdoor recreation in the Western [Roll No. 307] ture the private sector on what they United States. have to do to have transparency and to Under the multiple use and eco- AYES—85 get their books in order when we are system management concept, the bu- Akin Goodlatte Platts ourselves $142 billion over 5 years in ex- reau administers the grazing of ap- Armey Graham Portman Barr Graves Rogers (MI) cess of our own corresponding budgets. proximately 4.3 million head of live- Barrett Green (WI) Rohrabacher It has been said that the farm bill, $9 stock on some 161 million acres of pub- Bartlett Gutknecht Royce billion, and we are talking here just a lic land ranges and manages over 48,000 Barton Hart Ryan (WI) couple of hundred million dollars. I am wild horses and burros, some 262 mil- Berry Hefley Ryun (KS) Boehner Hill Schaffer not here to defend the farm bill, be- lion acres of wildlife habitat, and over Boswell Hilleary Sensenbrenner Brady (TX) Hoekstra lieve me. I think that was the worst 117,000 miles of fisheries habitat. Graz- Sessions piece of legislation passed in a long ing receipts are significant as are other Burr Hostettler Burton Johnson, Sam Shadegg time here, but we are talking here, if receipts. Chabot Jones (NC) Shimkus we go ahead with the appropriations I would just like to ask the gen- Chambliss Keller Shuster request, $9 billion this year above the tleman who sponsored the amendment, Clay Kennedy (MN) Smith (MI) Souder tell me one account in this bill that he Coble Kerns President’s request. We have to remem- Collins Kirk Stearns ber that the President’s request was would like to cut. Can the gentleman Cox Luther Stenholm modified to match the House budget. tell me one specific line item that he Crane Manzullo Sullivan So we are $9 billion above this year’s would cut with his meat cleaver in- Culberson Miller, Gary Sununu stead of his meat ax? Can the gen- Davis, Jo Ann Miller, Jeff Tancredo request. That, over 10 years, is more Deal Myrick Taylor (MS) than the farm bill. tleman tell me one line item in this DeLay Norwood Terry As I said, I am not here to defend the bill that he would like to cut, and DeMint Nussle Tiberi farm bill, but there are some who point name it specifically? Doggett Otter Toomey Duncan Paul Turner out the farm bill, $9 billion over 10 Mr. FLAKE. Mr. Chairman, will the Flake Pence Upton gentleman yield? Fossella Petri years, that is a lot of money. I am not Wilson (SC) here to defend the farm bill at all, but Mr. DICKS. I yield to the gentleman Gilchrest Pitts we need to put it in perspective. We are from Arizona. NOES—337 Mr. FLAKE. Mr. Chairman, the one I over the President’s request. Abercrombie Clayton Frank Mr. Chairman, on January 30, 2002, just proposed. I just proposed going Ackerman Clement Frelinghuysen President George W. Bush said, To back to the fiscal 2002 levels. Aderholt Clyburn Frost achieve these great national objec- Mr. DICKS. What is it the gentleman Allen Combest Gallegly Andrews Condit Ganske tives, to win the war, protect the wants to cut? Mr. FLAKE. Mr. Chairman, we are in Baca Conyers Gekas homeland, to revitalize our economy, Bachus Costello Gephardt our budget will run a deficit that will a situation now, since the gentleman Baird Coyne Gibbons Baker Cramer be small and short term so long as Con- yielded, where American families all Gillmor over the country are having to cut Baldacci Crenshaw Gilman gress restrains spending and acts in a Baldwin Crowley their own budget. Gonzalez fiscally responsible manner. That is Ballenger Cubin Goode Mr. DICKS. I take it the gentleman the case. The problem is spending. We Barcia Cummings Gordon is not going to answer the question. Bass Cunningham simply need to get it under control. Goss Let me give my colleagues a few Becerra Davis (CA) Granger Bentsen Davis (FL) That is why we are offering amend- Green (TX) choices. Bereuter Davis (IL) ments. That is why we are stepping in Greenwood Berkley Davis, Tom Grucci tonight and making sure that we re- b 2115 Berman DeFazio Gutierrez store a bit of fiscal discipline. That is Biggert DeGette Range management, wild horses and Hall (OH) Bilirakis Delahunt all we are trying to do here, and when burrow management, oil and gas, coal Hall (TX) I took to the floor last week, we were Bishop DeLauro management, mineral management, Blumenauer Deutsch Hansen being lectured on lifting the debt ceil- Alaskan minerals for the gentleman Blunt Diaz-Balart Harman Hastings (WA) ing. We were told that we were acting from Alaska (Mr. YOUNG), hazardous Boehlert Dicks irresponsibly because we wanted to lift Bonilla Dingell Hayes materials management. I mean, I think Bono Doolittle Hayworth the debt ceiling because we had to lift if the gentleman is going to cut some- Boozman Doyle Herger the debt ceiling. We were being lec- thing, he ought to be able to at least Borski Dreier Hilliard tured over here by those who had ap- Boucher Dunn Hinchey identify an account or two and how he Hobson proved and had voted for big spending Boyd Edwards would like to cut it. Brady (PA) Ehlers Hoeffel projects that we had never approved Mr. Chairman, I yield back the bal- Brown (FL) Ehrlich Holden and we had never voted for. Yet we ance of my time. Brown (OH) Emerson Holt were being lectured on that. Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I yield Brown (SC) Engel Honda Bryant English Hooley My time is ending, but I just want to myself such time as I may consume. Callahan Eshoo Horn say that I urge everyone to vote for Mr. Chairman, I object to the amend- Calvert Etheridge Houghton this amendment. ment. Like the previous amendment, it Camp Evans Hoyer Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I rise in cuts entirely the good programs under Cannon Everett Hulshof Hunter 1 Cantor Farr opposition, and I yield 2 ⁄2 minutes to the guise of fiscal responsibility. This Capito Fattah Hyde the gentleman from Washington (Mr. is not a responsible approach. We have Capps Ferguson Inslee DICKS). before us a good balanced bill, and I Capuano Filner Isakson (Mr. DICKS asked and was given per- Cardin Fletcher Israel urge my colleagues to vote ‘‘no’’. Carson (IN) Foley Issa mission to revise and extend his re- Mr. Chairman, I yield back the bal- Carson (OK) Forbes Istook marks.) ance of my time. Castle Ford Jackson (IL)

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00067 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.177 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4744 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 Jackson-Lee Mica Scott The issue is very simply some of us Mr. TOOMEY. Mr. Chairman, I do not (TX) Millender- Serrano think that our budget process has gone know exactly how many amendments Jefferson McDonald Shaw Jenkins Miller, Dan Shays awry, and if we continue down this we have. I would be happy to step off John Miller, George Sherman road, we will not adhere to the budget the floor and have this discussion, and Johnson (CT) Mink Sherwood resolution that we have passed. Some see if we can reach an agreement on Johnson (IL) Mollohan Shows of us do not want to adhere to that this vote. I am not prepared to do that Johnson, E. B. Moore Simmons Jones (OH) Moran (KS) Simpson budget, and I understand that. Some of at the moment. Kanjorski Moran (VA) Skeen us think in light of the economic down- Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chair- Kaptur Morella Skelton turn and other things that have hap- man, I think that is fair; but before we Kelly Murtha Slaughter Kennedy (RI) Napolitano pened since budget resolution, we make any motion to open the title or Smith (NJ) Kildee Neal should be spending less than that budg- Smith (TX) close the title, I think we need to have Kilpatrick Nethercutt Smith (WA) et resolution. an idea. If Members intend to keep us Kind (WI) Ney But we want to have an opportunity King (NY) Northup Snyder here all night, we ought to know that. Kingston Oberstar Solis for all Members to have this discus- Mr. WAMP. Mr. Chairman, will the Kleczka Obey Spratt sion, have this debate, have a chance to gentleman yield? Knollenberg Olver Stark air their amendments. We have 75-odd Strickland Mr. YOUNG of Florida. I yield to the Kolbe Ortiz Republicans and 8 or 10 Democrats vote Kucinich Osborne Stump gentleman from Tennessee. LaFalce Ose Stupak in favor of some dramatic cuts right Mr. WAMP. Mr. Chairman, I would LaHood Owens Sweeney out of the block on the first line of this like Members to know we have 17 other Tanner Lampson Oxley bill. amendments besides the untold number Langevin Pallone Tauscher As we move through the process, I Lantos Pascrell Tauzin of amendments from this group, from Larsen (WA) Pastor Taylor (NC) strongly suspect there will be more in- the rest of the House, that we would Larson (CT) Payne Thomas terest in some of these cuts because I like to consider as well, plus the col- Latham Pelosi Thompson (CA) believe there is a recognition that LaTourette Peterson (MN) Thompson (MS) loquy, so we can get on with the busi- Leach Peterson (PA) Thornberry there is a problem here. As we work to ness of other amendments from both Lee Phelps Thune try to reach a consensus, and we would sides of the aisle. Levin Pickering Thurman like to, we are open to rolling votes Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, will the Lewis (CA) Pombo Tiahrt and finding whatever way can cause Lewis (GA) Pomeroy gentleman yield? Tierney the minimum inconvenience for our Lewis (KY) Price (NC) Towns Mr. YOUNG of Florida. I yield to the Linder Pryce (OH) Udall (CO) Members. We are open to reaching a gentleman from Washington. Lipinski Putnam Udall (NM) unanimous consent agreement, and we Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, what LoBiondo Quinn Velazquez are prepared to speak with Members Lofgren Radanovich process are we going to go through in Visclosky about that. But it is very important Lowey Rahall Vitter terms of recognition? There have been Lucas (KY) Ramstad Walden that we have this discussion. We think several amendments recognized on that Lucas (OK) Rangel Walsh that it is vitally important that we Lynch Regula side. There has not been an amendment Wamp Maloney (CT) Rehberg have this debate and give every Mem- recognized on this side. Is it the Chair’s Waters Maloney (NY) Reyes ber to have their day and represent Watkins (OK) intention to recognize our side for Markey Reynolds Watson (CA) their constituents on each and every Matheson Rivers amendments? Watt (NC) amendment that we offer. Matsui Rodriguez The CHAIRMAN. The Chair attempts Watts (OK) I do not think that it was appropriate McCarthy (MO) Roemer to alternate between majority and mi- Waxman McCarthy (NY) Rogers (KY) to limit the discussion on the amend- nority Members. McCollum Ros-Lehtinen Weiner ment of the gentleman from Arizona Weldon (FL) Mr. DICKS. But we have to go right McCrery Ross (Mr. FLAKE) to 10 minutes, but let me McDermott Rothman Weldon (PA) at the point we are in the bill, until the McGovern Roybal-Allard Weller assure Members we are trying to find a bill is opened up. Wexler McHugh Rush way, find a procedure under which we THE CHAIRMAN. The gentleman is McInnis Sabo Whitfield can do this expeditiously, but we are McIntyre Sanchez Wicker correct. Wilson (NM) going to have this discussion. Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chair- McKeon Sanders Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chair- McKinney Sandlin Wolf man, reclaiming my time, it is now al- Woolsey man, I move to strike the last word. McNulty Sawyer most 10 p.m., and Members have a right Meehan Saxton Wu Mr. Chairman, I think it is obvious Meek (FL) Schakowsky Wynn to Members what exercise we are going to know what the plan is for the bal- Meeks (NY) Schiff Young (AK) ance of the evening or the morning, Menendez Schrock Young (FL) through here and why. There has been a lot of debate. I remind Members of a whatever the case might be. Maybe as NOT VOTING—12 very famous Member of this House, the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Blagojevich Dooley Nadler Morris Udall, and I think many know TOOMEY) suggested, we can have an off- Bonior Hastings (FL) Riley him, if not personally, by reputation. If site conversation about this. That Buyer Hinojosa Roukema being the case, we will report back. Cooksey Mascara Traficant I can paraphrase what he said, every- thing that needs to be said has already Mr. BOEHLERT. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word. b 2135 been said; the problem is that not ev- erybody has said it yet. As the chairman of the Committee on Ms. PELOSI changed her vote from We have had a fairly good debate Science, the committee with jurisdic- ‘‘aye’’ to ‘‘no.’’ here. I would like to ask someone rep- tion over a number of the energy con- Mr. FOSSELLA changed his vote resenting the organized effort to amend servation programs funded under the from ‘‘no’’ to ‘‘aye.’’ this bill, if someone could tell me how bill, I rise to engage the floor manager So the amendment was rejected. many amendments we might be look- of the bill in a colloquy. The result of the vote was announced ing at in title I of this bill, for exam- First, I want to compliment the com- as above recorded. ple. We have some colloquies and some mittee for providing the needed fund- Mr. TOOMEY. Mr. Chairman, I move points of order we need to get to. We ing for these important research, devel- to strike the last word. could open up title I and deal with the opment and demonstration programs Mr. Chairman, I would like to discuss amendments that are at the desk, but that do so much to advance new energy briefly a little bit about what we are I am wondering how many amendments technologies. One program I am par- trying to do here procedurally. This is are at the desk or would be if that re- ticularly interested in is residential not a happy occasion for anyone. This quest is made. I wonder if some Mem- micro cogeneration of energy. In my is not something that we enjoy doing. ber could respond to me with an an- district, I am familiar with companies In fact, this is a painful process. We swer. that are developing new combined have no interest in making this any Mr. TOOMEY. Mr. Chairman, will the heating, cooling, electricity and hot more of a painful process than it needs gentleman yield? water that is far more efficient than to be, but we think that there is an im- Mr. YOUNG of Florida. I yield to the residential systems which are commer- portant issue that we need to discuss. gentleman from Pennsylvania. cially available today.

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00068 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\A16JY7.032 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4745 It is my understanding that funding ally cheese; but henceforth I will al- we ought to balance the Federal budg- provided in the bill will allow DOE to ways associate Wisconsin with baloney et. I say rather, Mr. Chairman, that it undertake the needed testing, evalua- as well because it was the distin- is what we are all, Republicans and tion and demonstration of residential guished member of the minority, the Democrats, sent here to do: to be care- cogeneration technologies. ranking member, who said on this floor ful stewards of the public resources Mr. WAMP. Mr. Chairman, will the tonight that the problem with this that are entrusted to us. gentleman yield? group of conservatives was that we did The Good Book has this admonish- Mr. BOEHLERT. I yield to the gen- what his late father, a man active in ment, and with this I close. It admon- tleman from Tennessee. public life, said one should never do: we ishes the shepherd. It says, ‘‘Pay care- Mr. WAMP. Mr. Chairman, the gen- believe our own baloney. I would ful attention to your herds, keep care- tleman is correct. The committee has amend the record to say his late and ful watch over your sheep, for riches do provided $79.7 million in funding for distinguished grandfather, who said not endure forever.’’ It is precisely be- distributed generation technologies in that politicians should never believe cause we do not know the future, Mr. the power technologies account under their own baloney. Chairman, and the challenges that our the energy conservation appropriation, Let me give a few examples as we try Nation may face in even darker days an increase of $15.5 million over the and talk about the issues that we con- ahead that this skirmish that happens amount requested by the President, front tonight. We are not here in some on this floor tonight matters, that we and $15.9 million over the amount pro- vain exercise to exact a torturous must enforce the budget resolution vided last year. schedule on our colleagues this early in that we labored to adopt, that we en- the legislative week. Neither are we ig- dorsed twice in this institution. It is b 2145 norant of the long days that are ahead my hope that even if we are here when These funds are available to assist of us before we break and return to be the sun is peeking its way through the with a variety of projects, including with our families. But the enforcement windows, that we will do just that, liv- residential cogeneration systems. I of the budget resolution that we adopt- ing within our means. would like for the chairman to know ed in this Chamber once and deemed Mr. SHADEGG. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word. that this is just one of many very justi- another time is at stake. This bill that I would like to discuss the process fied requests by Republicans to in- we consider today is $775 million over crease accounts in this bill above the that brings us here, but first I want to our budget. Treasury-Postal is $538 begin by expressing my strong admira- President’s request. million. The agriculture approps bill is Mr. BOEHLERT. I would like to tion for the chairman of the Com- $550 million. We will have to extract se- mittee on Appropriations, the gen- thank the gentleman and pledge to vere cuts in VA-HUD and Commerce- tleman from Florida (Mr. YOUNG), for work with the chairman and members Justice-State. Those two pieces of leg- of the committee as this bill moves for- the work he does and for the dedication islation will have to give off over $2 he brings to his job. But also on this ward to ensure that the funding needed billion from previous-year levels just to carry out these important projects particular night, I want to express my to stay within our budget resolution. deep respect for and admiration for the is made available. The truth is when we speak about the Mr. WAMP. We look forward to work- chairman of this subcommittee. You vision of a balanced Federal budget, come here as a young freshman and ing with the gentleman on this impor- that is not baloney. That I argue, Mr. you get various assignments. Some of tant issue. Chairman, is what most of our con- them you do not anticipate, and some Mrs. CUBIN. Mr. Chairman, I move stituents sent us here to do. I would of them you are unaware of. I am elect- to strike the last word. even argue that, with very few excep- ed from Arizona. I did not know JOE Mr. Chairman, I rise because I have tions, the constituents who voted for SKEEN when I was first elected, but I seen something tonight that I have not my Democrat colleagues to come to got assigned here and I became a dep- ever seen in the 8 years that I have this august institution sent them here uty whip. As a whip, I was assigned to been in Congress. And I think it is a to advocate some basic American val- whip various Members. One of the sad night tonight. I do not believe that ues, believing in the American dream Members I was assigned to whip was our party would limit the debate by a that if our generation works hard and JOE SKEEN. I think that happened just Member on an open rule on an appro- makes sacrifices, we can actually leave as a matter of serendipity. It was not priations bill. They would not do that our children a better life and a better preplanned. As it turned out, someone to the other side, and I do not believe future than we inherited. was already whipping the Arizona dele- the other side would do that to us. Yet Another simple piece of the Amer- gation, and so I suppose it made sense we have done this to one of our own to- ican dream was the dream of a bal- to somebody that I should whip the night. While I oppose the goal of the anced Federal budget, the dream that New Mexico delegation. And so I did. gentleman from Arizona, I am in favor governments, like families, just like For the duration of my tenure here of this bill, I think it is a good bill, and my wife, Karen, and my children who in Congress, I have had the privilege of I intend to support it and vote against may well be sitting at home in our liv- whipping JOE SKEEN. What that has the amendments; but I think what hap- ing room tonight in Bartholomew meant is that I have had the honor to pened here procedurally tonight was County watching, they live within have conversations with him week in very wrong. If we have an open rule, their budget at our home on the Flat and week out and have him impart to then we need to have an open rule and Rock River, and Americans looking in me his wisdom and his knowledge of to limit one gentleman, Mr. Chairman, tonight, Mr. Chairman, expect us to do this institution, of the pressures that is not right. I hope that we do not fall no different. We have written a budget. move in each direction, of the people into that later because we do not like Chairman JIM NUSSLE led this institu- that are at play, of the great traditions the issue that someone is bringing for- tion with vigor and with vision and of this institution. It would be difficult ward. with commitment; and we gave the for me to express how many times JOE Mr. PENCE. Mr. Chairman, I move to American people, in the midst of reces- SKEEN in those days when I have chat- strike the last word. sion and war, the vision for a budget ted with him has been able to educate Mr. Chairman, I rise tonight finding that returns to balance within 24 me, to give me as a younger Member of myself feeling like it is early in the months. Yet tonight, however incon- this House advice and counsel. day and not late in the day. I am invig- venient it might be to some, we are ac- JOE is leaving this institution after orated by this debate. I am invigorated tually laboring over whether or not we this session of Congress, and I simply by the quality and integrity of the de- will endorse and embrace that budget. want it to be known to my colleagues bate on both sides of the aisle and that Some, and I say this with respect and here in Congress and the people across 85-some-odd colleagues of mine still be- no small attempt at humor, some may America that this institution will be lieve in what the gentleman from Wis- consider that baloney. Some may con- diminished by his departure. He is in- consin referred to earlier as baloney. sider it baloney that people in Congress deed a dedicated public servant. He is a Mr. Chairman, I have often associ- ought to make the income meet the man of the people, revered by the peo- ated many things with Wisconsin, usu- outgo to the best of their abilities, that ple of New Mexico and of his district.

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00069 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.184 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4746 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 He is a man who has come here from cumstances demand that we debate have done it twice. The other body has his ranch and who has brought the this budget tonight in a serious fash- yet to pass a budget. President Bush common knowledge and the common ion. has embraced the spending level of the understanding of the people across Mr. FARR of California. Mr. Chair- House. President Bush has indicated America to his job here. I would be re- man, I move to strike the last word. that, if necessary, he will use the veto miss if I did not say thank you, JOE, Let me just remind the other side that to make sure that we control spending for all you do. we have had a big debate tonight about and achieve the number of $748 billion We tend to look at our inconvenience appropriating money which is spending at the end of the process. tonight being here on the floor at ap- money. But the other side is collecting Because the House’s number is al- proximately 10 p.m. at night as a great money. And the other side led the big- most identical to the President’s, it is imposition. Yet there is not a one of us gest tax cut, created the biggest hole important that we take a look at each who wears this pin, not a one of us that in our ability to carry out the func- individual bill as it goes through the is elected to this institution that does tions of this country. So let us be a lit- process. Each bill where we spend more not understand the immense privilege tle bit more reasonable about being than what the President has proposed and the immense honor it is to serve in balanced. It is an income and an out- means that later on in the process, we this institution. For those who are per- flow. This is the discussion about the will have to reduce those bills signifi- haps frustrated that on this particular outflow, but you have already taken cantly from what the President’s rec- Tuesday evening we might debate late the biggest bite in history out of the ommendation is. Three of the first four into the night these issues and for income, and that has also affected this bills or the nondefense bills that have those who are frustrated and do not picture; and that is what has caused been reported by the Committee on Ap- like the amendments that are being of- the great big deficit that we have. propriations are significantly above fered, I would simply remind you, I Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, will the the President’s request. would urge you to perhaps step outside gentleman yield? The Interior bill is at $775 million and look at the dome that is above our Mr. FARR of California. I yield to above the request, without including heads, contemplate the task we are the gentleman from Washington. the $700 million in emergency fire- about, because each and every amend- Mr. DICKS. I can remember the de- fighting money. Treasury-Postal is $538 ment offered here tonight, and I have bate on this on the floor. Many of us on million above the President’s request, three or four that I would like to offer, this side of the aisle said the tax cut and the Agriculture bill is going to be is a serious amendment offered by a was going to be too big and that it $550 million above the request. Collec- Member with deep beliefs. could result in deficits, that we could tively, these bills are about $1.8 billion I happen to be embroiled in a scandal see our surplus go away. I see that above the request of the President. In order to pay for these increased in my own State on the issue of fire- OMB said today that it is lack of rev- spending levels, the Committee is pro- fighting. I feel very strongly about enue coming in, some of it to deal with fighting wildfires. It is vitally impor- posing a $400 million reduction from the stock transactions. These were all the President’s request for the Com- tant that we fight wildfires. But this foreseeable things. If you want to be institution is the people’s House. This merce, Justice, State bill, and a $1.8 fiscally responsible, if somebody wants billion reduction for the request from is the place where debate should occur. to get serious over there, why do we This is the institution where we should the Veterans, HUD, and FEMA bill. not have a budget summit where we go These bills are scheduled to move later talk about whether it is appropriate to back and revisit the tax cut and then put $700 million into this bill, as the in the appropriations process. we will talk to you about spending. But If the House passes the first appro- gentleman from Washington (Mr. to pick out one-third of the budget is priations bills at levels significantly DICKS) offered in committee and as was hypocrisy, and everybody in this place above the request, I think there are adopted by committee or whether it understands that. So you can continue many of us that question whether we would be more appropriate to put that to pose for the holy pictures and say will be able to pass the other bills be- money into the supplemental bill we are going to cut spending, but you cause they will be so far below the which can become law much sooner. are not going to deal with the problem President’s request. If that is the strat- We are engaged in a huge debate and except in a very marginal way. The egy that we are going to have where we it is a serious debate, as my colleague only way this is ever going to get fixed, are going to have significant dif- from Pennsylvania pointed out. These the budget gets fixed, is if we go back ferences between the levels passed by are grave issues. Spending is running and review everything; and that is the House and the levels requested by out of control in this Congress, and the what you are not willing to do. the President, we should bring to the American people are worried about it. Mr. HOEKSTRA. Mr. Chairman, I floor first those bills that are signifi- Go home and ask them. Go home this move to strike the last word. cantly lower than the President’s re- weekend. Think about the conversa- It is interesting as my colleagues quest, move those first so that we can tions you had last weekend. I would re- talk about the spending side and the show and demonstrate that we are dis- mind my colleagues that when we revenue side, we have had the discus- ciplined and that we will make those adopted this budget, we thought there sion on the revenue side; now we are tough decisions, and that we can then was going to be a surplus or perhaps a talking about spending. It is amazing accumulate that money and move it small deficit. The reality is last week- that the Federal Government at a time into some of these other bills. But we end’s paper, at least my home paper on where the economy is not growing, should not begin the process by fat- Saturday morning blared with a gigan- where there is not a high rate of infla- tening up the earlier bills with the be- tic headline, ‘‘$165 Billion Deficit.’’ It tion, there are some that believe that lief that later on in the process we will occurs to me that when we adopted the growing the Federal Government at be able to deviate significantly from budget resolution and we believed we twice the rate of inflation may not be the President’s request. were going to have a surplus and we enough; that as household incomes This bill is a good place to start. We are now here tonight recognizing we grow at a smaller rate that somehow should try to move that back down to are going to have not a small deficit the Federal Government is entitled to the President’s request. but a massive deficit, not only is it grow twice as fast as the rate of infla- Mr. Chairman, today in the Com- wrong to limit debate as we just did on tion, that the Federal Government has mittee on the Budget, Mitch Daniels the dimensions of this budget and our priority over other sources of income talked about the projections. We are no spending but it is what the American and revenue in this country. longer in an era of surpluses. We are people would want us to do. They projected to have a deficit of $165 bil- would want us here debating these b 2200 lion. What we need to do to get back issues. I do not know where that has been es- into surplus is we need to control that One of the definitions of insanity is tablished. This House has set out a area that we have significant control to do the same thing over and over mandate. We have said that we will over. again. We are in changed cir- grow spending to a level of $748 billion Mr. SMITH of Michigan. Mr. Chair- cumstances, and those changed cir- in 2003. We have not done it once, we man, will the gentleman yield?

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00070 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.186 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4747 Mr. HOEKSTRA. I yield to the gen- order to pretend that there was room The question we have to answer to- tleman from Michigan. to do everything for everybody and, night and during the next several Mr. SMITH of Michigan. Mr. Chair- now, the chickens are coming home to weeks is, will we be able to slow the man, the gentleman seems to be sug- roost. rate of that growth back to the infla- gesting that we should stick to the That is why tonight what we are see- tion rate, or are we going to continue budget, to the President’s request. If a ing really is not a mini filibuster; we to allow it to grow? If we do, here is family loses income, a family loses are seeing a philosophical war within what we are going to face. We are going their job and they go on unemploy- the majority party between the real- to face big, big deficits. We are going ment, the budget they started when ists, those who are still trying to func- to lead to perpetual deficits. they had a full job is not going to con- tion and produce bipartisan product It is not the Interior appropriations, tinue spending as usual. Maybe we that this House can pass, even though it is not Treasury-Postal, it is not any should even reduce it below the budget. none of us may be thrilled by what it one of those individual bills, it is not Mr. HOEKSTRA. Mr. Chairman, re- produces; and those who would like to even prescription drugs; it is a com- claiming my time, I think what my reject realism. It will be interesting to bination of that. We wind up with a colleague points out is the fallacy in see how that fight comes out. I hope it chart that looks like this. this process if we increase over the is decided in time to get some produc- Now, how many of us really want to President’s spending. tive work done in this institution, but go home this November and explain to Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I ask we do not have very many days to go the folks back home why we started unanimous consent to strike the last before that August recess. But only with a chart just a few years ago where word. time will tell. we were paying down anywhere from The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection Mr. GUTKNECHT. Mr. Chairman, I $100 billion to $200 billion worth of pub- to the request of the gentleman from move to strike the last word. licly held debt every year and go home Wisconsin? Mr. Chairman, I want to agree, in and explain, but now we have decided There was no objection. part, with what the gentleman from that we are going to go on a spending Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I want to Wisconsin just said. He said that there spree? We can blame Agriculture, we address and comment on two things is not enough money to do all of the can blame all of the various commit- that I have heard, if I could. I am things that we want to do. That is ex- tees, but it is like Pogo. We have met somewhat bemused as I sit here to- actly right, and that is why we have a the enemy and the enemy is us. night listening to some of the com- budget, and that is why the family has As I say, it is unfortunate that the ments about the sanctity of open de- a budget. What we are saying tonight Skeen bill is the first one out of the bate and legislative alternatives. Some is you cannot allow the Federal budget chute, but I say to my colleagues, we of the same people who have been ut- to continue to grow at twice the rate of have to start getting serious about this tering those platitudes are the same the average family budget. You have to budget. I think every person that we people who voted to deny the minority make some choices. represent understands that there is ab- an alternative on prescription drugs. Now, we had a Committee on the solutely no reason that the Federal They voted to deny us the opportunity Budget meeting today and we talked budget ought to grow at a rate twice to debate and produce an alternative to about what has happened to the Fed- that of the average family budget. So the very budget resolution which has eral budget in the last 12 months. A lot tonight the only option that some of us this place wrapped around the axle. of what has happened to the budget is have is to come to the floor of the the result of what happened on Sep- They voted to deny us the opportunity House and ask our colleagues to slow tember 11. Revenues are about $234 bil- to debate and offer an alternative to the machine down, just slow down the lion less than we expected. the economic stimulus package, to the spending. We are not asking to cut the Now, let us be honest. About 14 per- Interior appropriations; all we are ask- airline bailout, to the antiterrorism cent of that is because of the tax cuts bill, to the fast track trade bill, and ing to do is bring it down to the rate of that we passed. Frankly, I think if we inflation. If we do that, good things they have engaged in incredible legisla- had that vote again, every one of us tive legerdemain in order to avoid the will happen. The good thing is that who voted for those tax cuts would within 2 years, I believe we will be regular processes of this House, but vote for them again. It was exactly the back on the path towards a balanced now suddenly express tonight their right thing to do and, as it turns out, budget and paying off that debt. concern for open debate. I find that with the economy slowing down, I One other thing. Back in the Mid- quaint, to be polite. think it was a brilliant thing to do. So west, it used to be that part of the Second, I would simply note a com- we are not going to back off on the tax American dream was to pay off the ment of my old friend, Archie the relief. mortgage and leave your kids the farm. Cockroach. Archie said this once: ‘‘Man Let me tell my colleagues something. Well, I think that is still a dream. But always fails because he is not honest I was visiting with a farmer friend of unfortunately, we are going to go back enough to succeed. There are not mine a few years ago, and we were sit- to that old saw here in Washington enough men continuously on the ting on bales of hay. He said something where we are literally going to sell off square with themselves and with other pretty profound. He said, the problem the farm and leave our kids the mort- men. The system of government does with you guys in Washington is not gage, and every one of us knows that it not matter so much; the thing that that we do not send enough money into is wrong. It starts tonight, and the matters is what men do with any kind Washington; he said, the problem is question is, do we have the discipline, of system they happen to have.’’ you spend it faster than we can send it do we have the courage to do what we The fact is that the reason we are in. And that is the problem. really know is right, and that is to get having such problems here tonight is Now, we have said earlier that we do off this spending track, get back on a because the budget resolution that not fault the Subcommittee on Interior reasonable spending track of slowing passed this House early in the year was of the Committee on Appropriations; the rate of growth in the Federal Gov- not on the square; it contained tricky we think they have done a pretty good ernment to roughly the inflation rate accounting. It rejected CBO accounting job. But they are part of the problem. and, if we do that, we can balance the after, several years earlier, our Repub- Let us be honest. Let us look at this budget and, yes, we will have plenty of lican friends were willing to shut down chart. Do my colleagues see the green room to provide tax relief to the Amer- the Congress in order to require it. I line right here? That is the inflation ican families as we go forward. would simply say that if Members feel rate. For a few years, we were doing a So the money is there. It is not that that they are on the hook tonight, they pretty good job. We were keeping they are not sending it in fast enough; have not been put there by the Com- spending at just slightly above the in- it is that we want to spend it faster mittee on Appropriations; they have flation rate. But then somehow in than they send it in. been put there by their own votes on about 2000, and it might have some- Mr. ROTHMAN. Mr. Chairman, I their own budget resolution. That thing to do with the fact that we began move to strike the last word. budget resolution essentially picked a to have these big surpluses, that rate Mr. Chairman, I certainly agree with number of numbers out of the air in began to increase. That is the red line. my colleagues that just like all of our

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00071 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.188 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4748 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 families, we try not to spend more than approved by this House has dropped by sites and buildings, a measure both of we take in. I do not think, though, that 35 percent. their bad condition and their historic for most Americans, given the fact It seems to me that a 35 percent con- importance. that we are now going through a very traction as a percentage of the total The Park Service needs appropriate important, dangerous, and necessary national family income that we spend funds to protect the forts from further war on terrorism that we ought to give on domestic needs is some pretty hefty destruction, and to help restore them up the war on terrorism because it is fiscal discipline, no matter how myopi- so that the public may soon have an going to cost us some money in the cally some other Members might view opportunity to visit them and to learn short term, and we have to spend what it. more about the important role that it takes to protect our homeland and Mrs. MALONEY of New York. Mr. they played in the history of our coun- to bring to justice or bring justice to Chairman, I move to strike the last try. those who have attacked us. Nor do I word. Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, will the think we can do much, although we are Mr. Chairman, I rise to engage in a gentlewoman yield? trying, in terms of corporate account- colloquy with the ranking Democrat on Mrs. MALONEY of New York. I yield ability, to deal with our coming out of the Subcommittee of the Interior of to the gentleman from Washington. this recession or our lack of confidence the Committee on Appropriations, the Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I thank in the markets. gentleman from Washington (Mr. the gentlewoman for the work she has But we do have another tool at our DICKS), but before that I would like to done on this important issue, and for disposal to eliminate perhaps as much join my colleagues in thanking the bringing it to the subcommittee’s at- as 45 percent of the financial hole this gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. tention. I share her concern for pro- Congress, or the majority, has created SKEEN) for his outstanding leadership. tecting national monuments. over the next 10 years; a financial hole I remember one of the first things he I want to assure the gentlewoman created by the majority in this Con- said to me when I came to this body that I will work with her and the ma- gress of about $1.7 trillion over the was that the best legislation was bipar- jority to find the best source of funding next 10 years. tisan, and I have appreciated how he for this important project. and the gentleman from Washington Mrs. MALONEY of New York. Mr. b 2215 (Mr. DICKS) have worked together on Chairman, I thank the gentleman for I am speaking of the tax cut that the this subcommittee in a bipartisan way his leadership and his assistance on Republican Party and a handful of to help our country in so many ways. this matter, and I look forward to Democrats, but most of the Members of I want to especially thank him for working with him and the gentleman the Republican Party, passed; a tax cut his leadership on the Parkinson’s Task from New Mexico (Mr. SKEEN) in a bi- costing $1.7 trillion over 10 years that Force, in which he, along with many of partisan way to preserve these forts for benefits disproportionately the top 2 my colleagues, called upon the Na- our country. percent of Americans. tional Institutes of Health to come for- Mr. DEMINT. Mr. Chairman, I move I think most Americans today, given ward with a 5-year plan to cure Parkin- to strike the last word. the war on terrorism and the difficul- son’s, and he has worked diligently to Mr. Chairman, I appreciate some of ties in the stock market, would say, implement that plan. We will miss the the comments of the previous speaker, maybe we ought to hold off for 1 year gentleman. because he kind of laid out the char- on that tax cut. Let us see how the war As the gentleman knows, I say to the acter for the debate tonight, or really, on terrorism goes. Let us see how the gentleman from Washington (Mr. the essence of what the debate is all stock market rebounds, hopefully, DICKS), he may be aware that Gov- about. within that 1-year period, before we ernor’s Island at the entrance to New I believe one of my colleagues sug- execute on this tax cut, just for this 1 York harbor has played an extremely gested that maybe, instead of giving year; postpone it 1 year. Would that important role in the history of our Americans tax relief, that we withhold not be the prudent thing to do? country. that tax relief so that we can spend But my colleagues on the other side Two forts on the island, Fort Jay and more here in the Congress, instead of of the aisle say, no, we are going ahead Castle Williams, helped protect New taking the time to have the debate on with this tax cut, which will cost $1.7 York harbor from invasion in both the the floor, look through these 13 spend- trillion over 10 years, benefiting dis- War of 1812 and the Civil War. New ing bills carefully and determine if proportionately the top 2 percent of York gave the island to the Federal there are ways that we can save, so Americans, and then cry or complain Government to serve as a military that we can keep more money in the that we are spending too much money, base. For more than 200 years it served pockets of Americans and continue to and too much money is going out and our country, first for our Armed improve consumer confidence in spend- not enough is coming in. Forces, and since the 1960s, as a Coast ing, which has really held up our econ- I think average Americans would say Guard base. omy over the last year. let us postpone this tax cut for at least One of President Clinton’s last acts We have some tough decisions to a year and see what the economy, what was to declare the fort a national make. On our side, while we might be the world situation is like; take all monument, and one of President Bush’s fussing and arguing tonight, our whole that savings that was going to the top first acts was to publish this executive point is to try to keep spending at its 2 percent of Americans, who, by the order in the Federal Register. lowest level. If we look back at this way, are doing very well, and God bless I am very pleased that President chart that was reviewed a minute ago, them, and not have this battle today Bush has continued to show his support we know that we are on a course for over which essential program we are for the island with the promise to give some pretty heavy deficits. going to cut or not cut, rather than it back to New York State so that it But I want to give just one example mess with this tax cut. can be developed for the enjoyment of of why these deficits are so detrimental Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, will the all Americans. to the future of this country, and why gentleman yield? We hope that the forts will remain it is so important that we take the Mr. ROTHMAN. I yield to the gen- national monuments under the juris- time tonight to go through this appro- tleman from Wisconsin. diction of the Park Service. The forts priation bill, and all of the ones that Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I simply should soon be included in one of the we have this year, to see if there are want to note, since we have heard of most revered park systems of the Na- some things that we can do to reduce this so-called spending spree that the tion, along with Ellis Island and the the growth of the spending. Committee on Appropriations is engag- Statue of Liberty, at the gateway to That is really all we are talking ing in, I want to simply note that since New York harbor. about, because this deficit we see does 1980 through today, the percentage of Unfortunately, the forts are in very not take into account doing anything our total national income which we bad shape. In fact, they are on the Na- to secure the future for American sen- spend on domestic discretionary pro- tional Trust for Historic Preservation’s iors by improving and strengthening grams financed by this committee and list of the 11 most endangered historic Social Security. We are doing nothing

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00072 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.190 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4749 over the next 10 years to guarantee brutally shut down this House. We had inconsistency on the part of the voters. that future Americans have the Social rule after rule where we had hours of He patted me on the knee and said, Security that they have been promised. free time on Tuesdays and Wednesdays hey, kid, ain’t you heard the news: Ev- We have to remember, as Members of and Thursdays, but the minority was erybody wants to go to heaven, but no- Congress, that this is not some hand- not allowed to offer amendments. body wants to die. out to Americans, this is something I voted not to shut down debate, and They want to cut taxes and get credit they have paid for. It is something I hope that the commitment to open for reducing the revenues of this gov- they have paid for, with a promise that debate was not simply a fleeting one. ernment, but then when their own ma- we have to be prepared to keep. And in- Beyond that, I want to talk about jority brings forward appropriations, stead of spending every dime that what is really a very important philo- which they acknowledge are for good comes in, we need to establish a mech- sophical issue. I am pleased that this purposes, they say we cannot afford anism where we can really save at least has come forward, because we are talk- them. Why can we not afford them? Be- part of what people put into Social Se- ing here not about petty issues, we are cause they cut the revenues too much. curity. talking about one of the most funda- Mr. Chairman, people ought to under- There are several goals that we have mental questions we can, as elected stand this, go back to David Stockman. to have for Social Security in addition representatives, discuss: What is the In his book he said, here is why we cut to reducing spending so that we can appropriate level of public activity in taxes under President Reagan: We really save for the future. One is, we our society? knew that if the money was there, the need to reassure every American, re- I think what is happening here is American public would want it spent. gardless of age, that they will never re- that it is being made clear that the re- We knew that there were programs that were popular, and the only way to ceive less from Social Security than duction in revenue that went through control the spending was to cut the they are receiving today. This talk of in 2001 was unsustainable, according to revenue. the majority. After all, and it is very cutting benefits needs to be thrown out If it was done to stimulate the econ- the front door of this House. We need important to note in this debate, I omy, boy, that did not work, did it? In to guarantee the benefits for every have not heard those offering amend- fact, the President in 2000 said, as a American and establish where we are ments and pushing for cuts denouncing candidate, let us cut the taxes because as the floor. the spending as bad. That is very im- the economy is doing so well. In 2001, In addition, instead of spending every portant. This is not a case where peo- he said, let us cut taxes because the dime that people put into Social Secu- ple are saying, that is a bad thing; do economy is not doing well. rity, as we are doing today, we need to not do it. What people are saying, and Why cut taxes? To prevent spending establish a mechanism within Social I respect the philosophical fount that from going forward. It turns out that Security so that individuals can save it comes from, people are saying, yes, much of this spending is essential, it is part of what they are putting into So- that is a good activity, but we cannot desirable, and only the Federal Govern- cial Security for their future, so that afford to do this much of it. ment can do it. Only the Federal Gov- when they retire they own something No one is saying that the appropria- ernment can fight the fires and do the and have some control of their lives; tions bill is funding things that should other things in this bill. and particularly for the poor, that they not be funded. The argument is that we And again, I want to stress, I have have something to pass on to the next are fiscally constrained. Well, that is a not heard people denouncing the spend- generation. serious problem. I would have some ing as bad spending. If we leave Social Security the way it sympathy for the majority Members of b 2230 is today, within 15 years, just a few the Committee on Appropriations who years after this chart ends, we will found themselves in this dilemma if There is an implicit acknowledgment begin to take money from the general they had not put themselves in the di- that these are good things that we can- fund just to pay the benefits of seniors, lemma. not afford. So what we are seeing today without changing anything on Social What we have here is a very clear ex- is an example of what I think, frankly, Security. ample of a fact: The Republican Party is a philosophical incoherence on the Over the next 75 years, Members have is more committed to spending reduc- part of the Republican majority. There heard some figures thrown out tonight, tion in general than it is to spending is a Republican minority that is philo- like $1.7 trillion over the next 10 years, reduction in particular. Unfortunately, sophically consistent and is prepared but we are talking about, with no they cannot cut spending in general, to live up to the tax cut, but the rest changes to Social Security, $25 trillion they have to cut spending in par- of the Republican Party wants to have from the general fund that has to be ticular. it both ways. Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, will the transferred in addition to what is being So when it comes to cutting reve- nues, everybody wants to cut, but then gentleman yield? paid into Social Security now so that Mr. FRANK. I yield to the gentleman when it comes to cutting programs to we can continue to pay benefits in the from Washington. future. meet those revenue cuts, nobody wants Mr. DICKS. I would just say to the We cannot continue to overlook this to cut; not nobody, I take it back, gentleman, I just went through this. promise that we have made to Ameri- about a third of the Republican Party, We were looking at this. I want these cans and continue to spend on every- or maybe 40 percent wants to, and I Members who have been so critical of thing, even though these are important honor them for having the courage of the Committee on Appropriations in a things that we are talking about. All of their convictions. sense, although they have been very us probably have something in these But I must say, the majority of the kind towards the chairman and all of appropriation bills, but all of us have Republican Party, I have heard of the rest of us to be aware of this. to be willing to give a little, and to at wanting to eat one’s cake and have it, The CHAIRMAN. The time of the least slow the spending so that we can too. When they vote for tax cuts, and gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. keep the promises to the seniors that then they vote for appropriation bills FRANK) has expired. we have made, and to help them really above the level that the tax revenues (On request of Mr. DICKS, and by save and really own and really have will now support, they have a variation unanimous consent, Mr. FRANK was al- independence when they retire. on eating the cake and have it too. lowed to proceed for 1 additional Mr. FRANK. Mr. Chairman, I move They want to eat their cake, but also minute.) to strike the last word. get credit for giving it away. First they Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I want Mr. Chairman, to begin, I want to reduce the revenues, then they commit you to know we made some cuts in the join the gentleman from Wisconsin in themselves to spending more than they subcommittee. Some of these are very welcoming those to the ‘‘don’t-shut-off- get in revenues. painful. For example, the Cooperative debate’’ club. I voted against the mo- I am reminded of a piece of philo- Conservation Initiative, minus 100 mil- tion to limit debate to 10 minutes. I am sophical wisdom I got from a Boston lion; Stateside Land and Water con- sorry it lost. But I am also sorry that city councillor in 1968 when I com- servation, minus 46 million; Park Serv- we had rule after rule this year that plained about what seemed to me to be ice Construction, minus 62 million;

VerDate jun 06 2002 03:38 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00073 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.192 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4750 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 Land Acquisition National Parks, We have let, and the gentleman from Mr. Chairman, I do commend anyone minus 31 million; Technology Road Washington (Mr. DICKS) has said that a who tries to save the taxpayers a buck, Maps, Department of Energy, minus 4.5 lot of this is now entitlement spending; and I have actually voted with you million; the Kennedy Center, minus 4 and we have got to deal with that too. guys on these things tonight. But the million. So we made some cuts. But the discretionary spending is what net effect of what you have done to- Mr. FRANK. Reclaiming my time, I we are talking about tonight. That is night is sort of like a flea biting into appreciate that, but do not expect too what we should deal with. That is what the hide of an elephant and saying, I much credit for the cuts. I will be we should say is reasonable, to limit have really got him now. ready to come down here and apologize that spending increase to inflation. The last vote was for 50 million. To the day I read that Member after Mem- Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Chairman, I give you some idea of just how broke ber who voted for the tax cut went move to strike the last word. this Nation is, at the end of last month back to his or her district and said, I Mr. Chairman, I rise to enter into a our Nation was $6,126,468,760,400.48 in have good news for you. Thanks to the colloquy with the Chair. debt. tax cut I voted for, we will not get the Mr. Chairman, I listen with great in- When the gentleman from Illinois following project. Are we not glad for terest to this debate this afternoon, (Mr. HASTERT) was sworn in as Speak- what we did for America? and it is always amazing to me that er, the Nation’s debts was only, com- The day I hear Members who voted these debates always take place at paratively, $5,615,428,551,461.33. That for the tax cut take credit for its con- night, and they always take place by a means in the approximately 1,290 days sequences, I will acknowledge error. majority of those participating in it he has been Speaker, $511,040,208,938 Mr. SMITH of Michigan. Mr. Chair- who come from the west coast, which have been added to the debt, and you man, I move to strike the last word. just happens to be prime time there. I are worried about 50. Mr. Chairman, it is easy to say we am not making that innuendo that See, in those approximately 1,290 should spend more money, but think that is the reason that they are doing days the Speaker has not allowed this for a moment of what is happening to that now, but I rise to ask you a ques- body to vote on what really matters, American families. A lot of individuals tion. and that is in the cutting a little bit around the United States are losing Mr. Chairman, the legislative appro- here or a little bit of a tax break there, their jobs. Do you think they will be priations that we will pass that we, it is a constitutional amendment to spending as usual? No, they are not. most everyone, will vote for this year balance the budget. So whether the R’s And all we are suggesting is simply to will be $3.4 billion. And, Mr. Chairman, or the D’s or the I’s or the chickens are limit our increase in discretionary if you break that down into 8 months running this House, the rules are you spending to inflation. We are not talk- of annual sessions, which is generally cannot cut taxes more than it takes to ing about cutting the interior budget where we are in, at 5 days a week, balance a budget, and you cannot spend or any other budget. If we could simply which generally we are only in 3 days a more than you have in the bank. limit our spending to what the rest of week, that amounts to 160 legislative See, the biggest problem with this the American people are doing. They days. If you break the 160 legislative country is that we are squandering a are tightening their belts. days down into weeks or to 1 day, it billion dollars a day on interest on the We have had an emergency in this amounts to $21 million a week, or 2.65 national debt. I really appreciate what country. That emergency was being hit thousand dollars an hour in which we the gentleman from Alabama (Mr. CAL- on September 11 by terrorists. That debate. LAHAN) had to say. Where I come from, means we have got to come up with So every 5 minutes we spend debating $44,000 is a heck of a lot of money. So more money for that war on terror. If an issue, it is costing the American if $44,000 is a heck of a lot of money, you have a war, if you have an emer- taxpayer $44,000. By my calculations, if what do you think a billion a day is? A gency, it is reasonable, it is logical, it I have 5 minutes under the House rules billion a day is a thousand times a is practical to reduce some of the other to engage in this discussion with you, thousand times a thousand. This year spending that has lesser importance, Mr. Chairman, if I yield back 2 minutes we will spend a thousand times a thou- not to go on spending as usual. That is of my time, will I not save the Amer- sand times a thousand times 365 just on not what an American family can do. ican taxpayers $88,000? interest on the national debt. It will That is not what an American business The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman is not educate one kid. It will not fight can do. not stating a parliamentary inquiry. one fire. It will not help the farmers. It I know we are in a situation where Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Chairman, I will not defend our Nation. It is just the people that lobby us say let us have was just engaging in a colloquy with squandered interest on the national more spending for this, for that. I know you because we all respect your judg- debt. that we tend to go to the committees ment and know your tremendous If you guys want to do something that we support and that we push for knowledge of the operations of this about it, why do you not ask the more spending as we gain seniority on House. Speaker for a straight up-or-down vote those particular committees, but that The fact is it costs $44,000 a minute on a balanced budget amendment to is a problem we have got to deal with. to run this House. It would appear to the Constitution? It just says we will Somehow we have got to realize that me that every time they talk about re- live within our means. We passed it 7 what made this country great was not ducing a bill by $10,000, if they are years ago through this body. It went to being overtaxed. What made this coun- going to spend $44,000 of Social Secu- the other body. It only failed by one try great was a Constitution that says rity money, it looks to me like we are vote. Maybe some of you think it that those that work hard, that try, losing money, and I would encourage might interfere with the $50 billion a that invest, that educate themselves them to try to work out something and year that we lose to the estate tax are going to end up better off than they ought to do it in advance. They vote. Maybe some think it means we those who do not. Yet we have contin- ought to go to the chairman of the will not have money for social spend- ually pushed for increased taxes on cor- Committee on Appropriations. They ing. porations, increased taxes on bills. ought to go to the people who write the Maybe all of us ought to be willing to If a young couple decides to get a sec- various appropriations bills and sug- give a little something up because all ond job so they can have more for their gest to them before prime time tele- we are doing is sticking our kids with families, we not only tax them at the vision and then try to iron out their the bill. And in the past 23 years we same rate, we increase the rate of tax- differences. have added over $5 trillion to the na- ation so they have to pay more taxes But, Mr. Chairman, I want to be sure tional debt. Just the Speaker’s bill to the Federal Government. and yield back 2 minutes of my 5 min- alone is more than this Nation bor- Let us get back to our roots. Let us utes so I can save the American tax- rowed between George Washington be- get back to what makes this country payers $88,000. coming President and 1975. That is 199 great. Let us not overtax ourselves and Mr. TAYLOR of Mississippi. Mr. years of this Republic has been sur- discourage business expansion. Let us Chairman, I rise to strike the last passed in debt during the Speaker’s do what we need to do in this House. word. watch. I am ready to say enough is

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American people, if you want to leave March of this year, in March of this What this debate is all about, Mr. a legacy, let us pass a balanced budget year, the report provides minimal data Chairman, is trying to make sense in amendment to the Constitution, so and information regarding these the process. The men and the women that regardless of who is running this unreconciled transactions. Not only is who serve on the Committee on Appro- House it lives within its means. And the Federal Government missing $17.3 priations who are managing these bills before somebody gets too ambitious billion, but there is no reason given for this evening are hardworking, good with tax cuts, they do not do it at the this loss. people, but the concern is bigger than next generation’s expense. All we have Now, that is in the report to the just the appropriations process. It is really done is the equivalent of some- American people. I know that makes bigger than the Committee on Appro- one going off to the car lot and saying, the taxpayers of this country feel real priations. I want the most expensive car out good about their tax money. The concern is, are we going to put there. And by the way, bill my 6-year- Now, I know this is not part of this together a process, absent with the fact old kid. Or I want the most expensive interior bill or this debate, but I want- that the Senate did not pass a budget house in the State of Mississippi; and, ed to have this opportunity to say to resolution, that gives us some spending by the way, I have a 3-year-old grand- my colleagues on both sides of the discipline here in Congress? We have son; just stick him with the bill, plus aisle, we should be demanding that the serious challenges facing our country interest. Secretary of the Treasury come for- this year, Mr. Chairman. We went to That is what we have been doing for ward and explain where $17.3 billion war. We are just trying to get ourselves the past 23 years in this Nation. I am has been lost by this Federal Govern- out of a recession, and we have serious ashamed of that. I think in your heart ment. vulnerabilities on our homeland that of hearts you are too. we are trying to protect. At the same b 2245 We have a few days left in this ses- time, we have a very significant and sion. We can pass that. We can send it I am just as upset as anybody about large budget deficit that just popped to the other body. If you are really se- the fact that WorldCom and Enron and onto us for the first time in 5 years. We need to deal with this and we rious about the spending, let us not go the corporate executives cheated and need this Congress to deal with it in a after the fleas. Let us go after the real committed fraud to those investors, very serious way, and that is why we problem. Let us balance the budget. but what I want to say to my col- Mr. JONES of North Carolina. Mr. leagues, the taxpayers do not have a see these amendments coming through Chairman, I move to strike the last choice. They have to pay their taxes. I on the floor tonight because tonight is the first time we are approaching do- word. am not defending those who created Mr. Chairman, to my friend from the fraud because those people made mestic discretionary spending. We passed defense bills for military con- Mississippi (Mr. TAYLOR), and he is my investments, which we all do, most of friend, I concur with you 110 percent; us do from time to time, but the fact struction. We passed a defense bill to and there are many on this side of the that the taxpayers of this country can- fund the Pentagon, and we passed the supplemental to fund homeland secu- aisle that do concur with you. not get an explanation as to why in the I also want to say something else. I 2001 report we have lost $17.3 billion. rity and to fund the ongoing operations came in 1995 to my first year in the So as this debate continues tonight in Afghanistan. Tonight is the beginning of the fund- United States Congress, and I am proud or tomorrow or both days, it is, and we ing of domestic discretionary spending. to be a foot soldier here in the United do agree, I agree with the gentleman That is why this debate is taking place States House, and I consider myself a from Massachusetts (Mr. FRANK) a tonight, because now as we move for- foot soldier. There are a number of us while ago in what he was saying. We ward on funding domestic priorities, we have got to make decisions. We cannot on both sides of the aisle who are foot realize that these priorities have not cut taxes and expand government at soldiers, who believe and hope that the been adequately addressed by this Con- the same time. majority of the time we are doing what gress yet. is right for American people. That is the problem in my State of That is why we are saying this, hold I mention that because recently my North Carolina. They are $2 billion in the line on domestic spending, address friend from Mississippi, who is in the debt today, and I do not know how my the need to fight the war, address the back of the Chamber, kept us here State of North Carolina is going to need to protect the homeland, and let until like 2 or 3 in the morning making work out of this problem in the next 3 us get a handle on getting rid of this motions; and because he believed so years, but part of that problem is when budget deficit. That is why this debate strongly in what he was doing, I never they did cut the taxes, they expanded is taking place. was offended. Some Members on both the governmental programs, and it When we take a look at the budget sides of the aisle, I heard grumbling; caught up with them. process and we take a look at the budg- but quite frankly, I did not because I I just want for my children and et resolution we have, the process has thought that the gentleman was doing grandchildren and my colleagues’ chil- always broken down along the fol- what he was elected to do if he believed dren and grandchildren that they are lowing logic, put the easier-to-pass what he was doing. I know the gen- not going to have to be paying a tax on bills earlier in the process, put them in tleman well enough to know that he the Federal taxes that they owe this the queue, raise the spending level on believed in what he was doing. government of 35 and 40 percent over those bills and then lower the spending I want to say that tonight because we what we are paying today. In my opin- levels under levels that are not accept- have Members on our side of the aisle ion, that would be the economic down- able by this conference for the difficult and certainly those on the Democratic fall of this country. appropriation bills. My own senior del- aisle that feel very passionately about Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Chair- egation member, the ranking member these issues tonight. I want to men- man, I move to strike the last word. of the Committee on Appropriations, tion, again, I did the first time I spoke Mr. Chairman, I just want to add my probably put it better than anybody 30, 40 minutes ago, that I have been on voice to the debate that is taking place has on the floor tonight; that is, that the floor once a week with a chart that tonight. What this debate is about is this is a process that is doomed to fail I would hope some of the Members here trying to get our arms around this and that is doomed to spend more tonight and those that will be in their budget process. When the budget reso- money at the end of the day. offices would join me in a letter that I lution passed earlier in the spring, it That is what we are trying to get our wrote to Secretary O’Neill. was passed at a time when we still had arms around right now. We are trying

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We are trying to tive agreement between the Federal govern- shall be credited to this account. ment and any non-Federal entity may be CONSTRUCTION bring sense to this process so that it is shared, as mutually agreed on by the af- For construction of buildings, recreation a process that helps us get our handle fected parties: Provided further, That in en- facilities, roads, trails, and appurtenant fa- on this budget deficit while fixing our tering into such grants or cooperative agree- cilities, $10,976,000, to remain available until problems in the homeland, while fight- ments, the Secretary may consider the en- expended. ing our priorities in the war and mak- hancement of local and small business em- ing sure that we go to the American ployment opportunities for rural commu- PAYMENTS IN LIEU OF TAXES people and we show them that we are nities, and that in entering into procurement For expenses necessary to implement the being good stewards of their money. contracts under this section on a best value Act of October 20, 1976, as amended (31 U.S.C. basis, the Secretary may take into account 6901–6907), $230,000,000, of which not to exceed Mr. Chairman, we have corporate ac- the ability of an entity to enhance local and $400,000 shall be available for administrative counting scandals that are popping up small business employment opportunities in expenses and of which $70,000,000 is for the in the Wall Street Journal and the New rural communities, and that the Secretary conservation activities defined in section York Times every week, and these cor- may award procurement contracts, grants, 250(c)(4)(E) of the Balanced Budget and porate accounting scandals are show- or cooperative agreements under this section Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, as ing that corporations are misrepre- to entities that include local non-profit enti- amended, for the purposes of such Act: Pro- senting the facts, that they are over- ties, Youth Conservation Corps or related vided, That no payment shall be made to oth- reporting income. Mr. Chairman, look partnerships, or small or disadvantaged busi- erwise eligible units of local government if nesses: Provided further, That funds appro- the computed amount of the payment is less at the kind of accounting problems we priated under this head may be used to reim- than $100. have had here in effect. It has already burse the United States Fish and Wildlife LAND ACQUISITION been mentioned over and over again Service and the National Marine Fisheries For expenses necessary to carry out sec- that just in the last 5 or 6 years the Service for the costs of carrying out their re- tions 205, 206, and 318(d) of Public Law 94–579, sponsibilities under the Endangered Species corresponding budget amendments that including administrative expenses and acqui- Act of 1973 (16 U.S.C. 1531 et seq.) to consult have passed this House have been ex- sition of lands or waters, or interests there- and conference, as required by section 7 of ceeded by this Congress by about $142 in, $49,286,000, to be derived from the Land such Act in connection with wildland fire billion, five times the reported scan- and Water Conservation Fund, to remain management activities: Provided further, available until expended, and to be for the dals that have occurred in the private That the Secretary of the Interior may use conservation activities defined in section sector. wildland fire appropriations to enter into 250(c)(4)(E) of the Balanced Budget and So we need to get our handle on our non-competitive sole source leases of real Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, as fiscal responsibilities. We need to put property with local governments, at or below amended, for the purposes of such Act. our fiscal house in order, and we need fair market value, to construct capitalized to bring some common sense to this improvements for fire facilities on such OREGON AND CALIFORNIA GRANT LANDS budget process because this is not a leased properties, including but not limited For expenses necessary for management, common year. to fire guard stations, retardant stations, protection, and development of resources and and other initial attack and fire support fa- for construction, operation, and mainte- Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I ask cilities, and to make advance payments for nance of access roads, reforestation, and unanimous consent that the remainder any such lease or for construction activity other improvements on the revested Oregon of title I be considered as read, printed associated with the lease. and California Railroad grant lands, on other in the RECORD, and open to any amend- For an additional amount for ‘‘Wildland Federal lands in the Oregon and California ment at any point. Fire Management’’ for fiscal year 2002 in ad- land-grant counties of Oregon, and on adja- The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection dition to the amounts made available by cent rights-of-way; and acquisition of lands to the request of the gentleman from Public Law 107–63, $200,000,000, to remain or interests therein including existing con- New Mexico? available until December 31, 2002, for the necting roads on or adjacent to such grant cost of fire suppression activities carried out There was no objection. lands; $105,633,000, to remain available until by the Bureau of Land Management and expended: Provided, That 25 percent of the The text of the remainder of title I is other Federal agencies related to the 2002 aggregate of all receipts during the current as follows: fire season, including reimbursement of fiscal year from the revested Oregon and WILDLAND FIRE MANAGEMENT funds borrowed from other Department of In- California Railroad grant lands is hereby For necessary expenses for fire prepared- terior programs to fight such fires: Provided, made a charge against the Oregon and Cali- ness, suppression operations, fire science and That the entire amount shall be available fornia land-grant fund and shall be trans- research, emergency rehabilitation, haz- only to the extent an official budget request, ferred to the General Fund in the Treasury ardous fuels reduction, and rural fire assist- that includes designation of the entire in accordance with the second paragraph of ance by the Department of the Interior, amount of the request as an emergency re- subsection (b) of title II of the Act of August $655,332,000, to remain available until ex- quirement as defined in the Balanced Budget 28, 1937 (50 Stat. 876). pended, of which not to exceed $12,374,000 and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, FOREST ECOSYSTEMS HEALTH AND RECOVERY shall be for the renovation or construction of as amended, is transmitted by the President FUND to the Congress: Provided further, That the fire facilities: Provided, That such funds are (REVOLVING FUND, SPECIAL ACCOUNT) also available for repayment of advances to entire amount is designated by the Congress In addition to the purposes authorized in other appropriation accounts from which as an emergency requirement pursuant to Public Law 102–381, funds made available in funds were previously transferred for such section 251(b)(2)(A) of such Act. the Forest Ecosystem Health and Recovery purposes: Provided further, That persons CENTRAL HAZARDOUS MATERIALS FUND Fund can be used for the purpose of plan- hired pursuant to 43 U.S.C. 1469 may be fur- For necessary expenses of the Department ning, preparing, implementing, and moni- nished subsistence and lodging without cost of the Interior and any of its component of- toring salvage timber sales and forest eco- from funds available from this appropria- fices and bureaus for the remedial action, in- system health and recovery activities such tion: Provided further, That notwithstanding cluding associated activities, of hazardous as release from competing vegetation and 42 U.S.C. 1856d, sums received by a bureau or waste substances, pollutants, or contami- density control treatments. The Federal office of the Department of the Interior for nants pursuant to the Comprehensive Envi- share of receipts (defined as the portion of fire protection rendered pursuant to 42 ronmental Response, Compensation, and Li- salvage timber receipts not paid to the coun- U.S.C. 1856 et seq., protection of United ability Act, as amended (42 U.S.C. 9601 et ties under 43 U.S.C. 1181f and 43 U.S.C. 1181f– States property, may be credited to the ap- seq.), $9,978,000, to remain available until ex- 1 et seq., and Public Law 106–393) derived propriation from which funds were expended pended: Provided, That notwithstanding 31 from treatments funded by this account to provide that protection, and are available U.S.C. 3302, sums recovered from or paid by shall be deposited into the Forest Ecosystem without fiscal year limitation: Provided fur- a party in advance of or as reimbursement Health and Recovery Fund. ther, That using the amounts designated for remedial action or response activities under this title of this Act, the Secretary of conducted by the Department pursuant to RANGE IMPROVEMENTS the Interior may enter into procurement section 107 or 113(f) of such Act, shall be For rehabilitation, protection, and acquisi- contracts, grants, or cooperative agree- credited to this account to be available until tion of lands and interests therein, and im- ments, for hazardous fuels reduction activi- expended without further appropriation: Pro- provement of Federal rangelands pursuant to ties, and for training and monitoring associ- vided further, That such sums recovered from section 401 of the Federal Land Policy and ated with such hazardous fuels reduction ac- or paid by any party are not limited to mon- Management Act of 1976 (43 U.S.C. 1701), not- tivities, on Federal land, or on adjacent non- etary payments and may include stocks, withstanding any other Act, sums equal to 50

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percent of all moneys received during the UNITED STATES FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE acquisition of land or waters, or interest prior fiscal year under sections 3 and 15 of RESOURCE MANAGEMENT therein, in accordance with statutory au- the Taylor Grazing Act (43 U.S.C. 315 et seq.) For necessary expenses of the United thority applicable to the United States Fish and the amount designated for range im- States Fish and Wildlife Service, for sci- and Wildlife Service, $82,250,000, to be derived provements from grazing fees and mineral entific and economic studies, conservation, from the Land and Water Conservation leasing receipts from Bankhead-Jones lands management, investigations, protection, and Fund, to remain available until expended, transferred to the Department of the Inte- utilization of fishery and wildlife resources, and to be for the conservation activities de- rior pursuant to law, but not less than except whales, seals, and sea lions, mainte- fined in section 250(c)(4)(E) of the Balanced $10,000,000, to remain available until ex- nance of the herd of long-horned cattle on Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act pended: Provided, That not to exceed $600,000 the Wichita Mountains Wildlife Refuge, gen- of 1985, as amended, for the purposes of such shall be available for administrative ex- eral administration, and for the performance Act: Provided, That none of the funds appro- penses. of other authorized functions related to such priated for specific land acquisition projects can be used to pay for any administrative SERVICE CHARGES, DEPOSITS, AND FORFEITURES resources by direct expenditure, contracts, grants, cooperative agreements and reim- overhead, planning or other management For administrative expenses and other bursable agreements with public and private costs. costs related to processing application docu- entities, $918,359,000 to remain available LANDOWNER INCENTIVE PROGRAM ments and other authorizations for use and until September 30, 2004, except as otherwise For expenses necessary to carry out the disposal of public lands and resources, for provided herein, of which $69,006,000 is for Land and Water Conservation Fund Act of costs of providing copies of official public conservation spending category activities 1965, as amended (16 U.S.C. 460l–4 through 11), land documents, for monitoring construc- pursuant to section 251(c) of the Balanced including administrative expenses, and for tion, operation, and termination of facilities Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act private conservation efforts to be carried out in conjunction with use authorizations, and of 1985, as amended, for the purposes of dis- on private lands, $40,000,000, to be derived for rehabilitation of damaged property, such cretionary spending limits: Provided, That from the Land and Water Conservation amounts as may be collected under Public not less than $2,000,000 shall be provided to Fund, to remain available until expended, Law 94–579, as amended, and Public Law 93– local governments in southern California for and to be for conservation spending category 153, to remain available until expended: Pro- planning associated with the Natural Com- activities pursuant to section 251(c) of the vided, That notwithstanding any provision to munities Conservation Planning (NCCP) pro- Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit the contrary of section 305(a) of Public Law gram and shall remain available until ex- Control Act of 1985, as amended, for the pur- 94–579 (43 U.S.C. 1735(a)), any moneys that pended: Provided further, That $2,000,000 is for poses of discretionary spending limits: Pro- have been or will be received pursuant to high priority projects which shall be carried vided, That the amount provided herein is for that section, whether as a result of for- out by the Youth Conservation Corps, de- a Landowner Incentive Program established feiture, compromise, or settlement, if not fined in section 250(c)(4)(E) of the Balanced by the Secretary that provides matching, appropriate for refund pursuant to section Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act competitively awarded grants to States, the 305(c) of that Act (43 U.S.C. 1735(c)), shall be of 1985, as amended, for the purposes of such District of Columbia, Tribes, Puerto Rico, available and may be expended under the au- Act: Provided further, That not to exceed Guam, the United States Virgin Islands, the thority of this Act by the Secretary to im- $9,077,000 shall be used for implementing sub- Northern Mariana Islands, and American prove, protect, or rehabilitate any public sections (a), (b), (c), and (e) of section 4 of Samoa, to establish, or supplement existing, lands administered through the Bureau of the Endangered Species Act, as amended, for landowner incentive programs that provide Land Management which have been damaged species that are indigenous to the United technical and financial assistance, including by the action of a resource developer, pur- States (except for processing petitions, de- habitat protection and restoration, to pri- chaser, permittee, or any unauthorized per- veloping and issuing proposed and final regu- vate landowners for the protection and man- son, without regard to whether all moneys lations, and taking any other steps to imple- agement of habitat to benefit federally list- collected from each such action are used on ment actions described in subsection ed, proposed, or candidate species, or other the exact lands damaged which led to the ac- (c)(2)(A), (c)(2)(B)(i), or (c)(2)(B)(ii)), of which at-risk species on private lands. tion: Provided further, That any such moneys not to exceed $5,000,000 shall be used for any STEWARDSHIP GRANTS that are in excess of amounts needed to re- activity regarding the designation of critical For expenses necessary to carry out the pair damage to the exact land for which habitat, pursuant to subsection (a)(3), ex- Land and Water Conservation Fund Act of funds were collected may be used to repair cluding litigation support, for species al- 1965, as amended (16 U.S.C. 460l–4 through 11), other damaged public lands. ready listed pursuant to subsection (a)(1) as including administrative expenses, and for MISCELLANEOUS TRUST FUNDS of the date of enactment this Act: Provided private conservation efforts to be carried out further, That of the amount available for law on private lands, $10,000,000, to be derived In addition to amounts authorized to be enforcement, up to $400,000 to remain avail- from the Land and Water Conservation expended under existing laws, there is hereby able until expended, may at the discretion of Fund, to remain available until expended, appropriated such amounts as may be con- the Secretary, be used for payment for infor- and to be for conservation spending category tributed under section 307 of the Act of Octo- mation, rewards, or evidence concerning vio- activities pursuant to section 251(c) of the ber 21, 1976 (43 U.S.C. 1701), and such amounts lations of laws administered by the Service, Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit as may be advanced for administrative costs, and miscellaneous and emergency expenses Control Act of 1985, as amended, for the pur- surveys, appraisals, and costs of making con- of enforcement activity, authorized or ap- poses of discretionary spending limits: Pro- veyances of omitted lands under section proved by the Secretary and to be accounted vided, That the amount provided herein is for 211(b) of that Act, to remain available until for solely on her certificate: Provided further, the Secretary to establish a Private Stew- expended. That of the amount provided for environ- ardship Grants Program to provide grants ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS mental contaminants, up to $1,000,000 may and other assistance to individuals and remain available until expended for contami- groups engaged in private conservation ef- Appropriations for the Bureau of Land nant sample analyses. forts that benefit federally listed, proposed, Management shall be available for purchase, CONSTRUCTION or candidate species, or other at-risk species. erection, and dismantlement of temporary COOPERATIVE ENDANGERED SPECIES structures, and alteration and maintenance For construction, improvement, acquisi- CONSERVATION FUND of necessary buildings and appurtenant fa- tion, or removal of buildings and other fa- cilities to which the United States has title; cilities required in the conservation, man- For expenses necessary to carry out sec- up to $100,000 for payments, at the discretion agement, investigation, protection, and uti- tion 6 of the Endangered Species Act of 1973 of the Secretary, for information or evidence lization of fishery and wildlife resources, and (16 U.S.C. 1531–1543), as amended, $121,400,000, concerning violations of laws administered the acquisition of lands and interests there- of which $42,929,000 is to be derived from the by the Bureau; miscellaneous and emergency in; $51,308,000, to remain available until ex- Cooperative Endangered Species Conserva- expenses of enforcement activities author- pended: Provided, That notwithstanding any tion Fund and $86,471,000 is to be derived ized or approved by the Secretary and to be other provision of law, a single procurement from the Land and Water Conservation accounted for solely on her certificate, not for the expansion of the Clark R. Bavin Fund, to remain available until expended, to exceed $10,000: Provided, That notwith- Forensics Laboratory in Oregon may be and to be for the conservation activities de- standing 44 U.S.C. 501, the Bureau may, issued, which includes the full scope of the fined in section 250(c)(4)(E) of the Balanced under cooperative cost-sharing and partner- project: Provided further, That the solicita- Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act ship arrangements authorized by law, pro- tion and the contract shall contain the of 1985, as amended, for the purposes of such cure printing services from cooperators in clause ‘‘availability of funds’’ found at 48 Act. connection with jointly produced publica- CFR 52.232.18. NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE FUND tions for which the cooperators share the LAND ACQUISITION For expenses necessary to implement the cost of printing either in cash or in services, For expenses necessary to carry out the Act of October 17, 1978 (16 U.S.C. 715s), and the Bureau determines the cooperator is Land and Water Conservation Fund Act of $19,414,000, of which $5,000,000 is for conserva- capable of meeting accepted quality stand- 1965, as amended (16 U.S.C. 460l–4 through 11), tion spending category activities pursuant to ards. including administrative expenses, and for section 251(c) of the Balanced Budget and

VerDate jun 06 2002 04:18 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00077 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\A16JY7.044 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4754 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, as the total population of all such States: Pro- istration of the National Park Service, amended, for the purposes of discretionary vided further, That the amounts apportioned $1,605,593,000, of which $9,000,000 is for con- spending limits. under this paragraph shall be adjusted equi- servation spending category activities pursu- NORTH AMERICAN WETLANDS CONSERVATION tably so that no State shall be apportioned a ant to section 251(c) of the Balanced Budget FUND sum which is less than 1 percent of the and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, For expenses necessary to carry out the amount available for apportionment under as amended, for the purposes of discretionary provisions of the North American Wetlands this paragraph for any fiscal year or more spending limits and of which $10,892,000 for Conservation Act, Public Law 101–233, as than 5 percent of such amount: Provided fur- research, planning and interagency coordina- amended, $43,560,000, to remain available ther, That the Federal share of planning tion in support of Everglades restoration until expended and to be for the conservation grants shall not exceed 75 percent of the shall remain available until expended; and of activities defined in section 250(c)(4)(E) of total costs of such projects and the Federal which $90,280,000 to remain available until the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit share of implementation grants shall not ex- September 30, 2004, is for maintenance repair Control Act of 1985, as amended, for the pur- ceed 50 percent of the total costs of such or rehabilitation projects for constructed as- poses of such Act: Provided, That, notwith- projects: Provided further, That the non-Fed- sets, operation of the National Park Service standing any other provision of law, eral share of such projects may not be de- automated facility management software amounts in excess of funds provided in fiscal rived from Federal grant programs: Provided system, and comprehensive facility condi- year 2001 shall be used only for projects in further, That no State, territory, or other ju- tion assessments; and of which $2,000,000 is the United States. risdiction shall receive a grant unless it has for the Youth Conservation Corps, defined in developed, or committed to develop by Octo- section 250(c)(4)(E) of the Balanced Budget NEOTROPICAL MIGRATORY BIRD CONSERVATION ber 1, 2005, a comprehensive wildlife con- and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, For financial assistance for projects to pro- servation plan, consistent with criteria es- as amended, for the purposes of such Act, for mote the conservation of neotropical migra- tablished by the Secretary of the Interior, high priority projects: Provided, That the tory birds in accordance with the that considers the broad range of the State, only funds in this account which may be Neotropical Migratory Bird Conservation territory, or other jurisdiction’s wildlife and made available to support United States Act, Public Law 106–247 (16 U.S.C. 6101–6109), associated habitats, with appropriate pri- Park Police are those funds approved for $5,000,000, to remain available until ex- ority placed on those species with the great- emergency law and order incidents pursuant pended, and to be for conservation spending est conservation need and taking into con- to established National Park Service proce- activities pursuant to section 251(c) of the sideration the relative level of funding avail- dures, those funds needed to maintain and Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit able for the conservation of those species: repair United States Park Police administra- Control Act of 1985, as amended, for the pur- Provided further, That any amount appor- tive facilities, and those funds necessary to poses of discretionary spending limits. tioned in 2003 to any State, territory, or reimburse the United States Park Police ac- MULTINATIONAL SPECIES CONSERVATION FUND other jurisdiction that remains unobligated count for the unbudgeted overtime and trav- For expenses necessary to carry out the as of September 30, 2004, shall be reappor- el costs associated with special events for an African Elephant Conservation Act (16 U.S.C. tioned, together with funds appropriated in amount not to exceed $10,000 per event sub- 4201–4203, 4211–4213, 4221–4225, 4241–4245, and 2005, in the manner provided herein. ject to the review and concurrence of the 1538), the Asian Elephant Conservation Act ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS Washington headquarters office: Provided of 1997 (Public Law 105–96; 16 U.S.C. 4261– further, That none of the funds in this or any Appropriations and funds available to the 4266), the Rhinoceros and Tiger Conservation other Act may be used to fund a new Asso- United States Fish and Wildlife Service shall Act of 1994 (16 U.S.C. 5301–5306), and the ciate Director position for Law Enforcement, be available for purchase of not to exceed 102 Great Ape Conservation Act of 2000 (16 U.S.C. Protection, and Emergency Services. 6301), $4,800,000, to remain available until ex- passenger motor vehicles, of which 75 are for replacement only (including 39 for police- UNITED STATES PARK POLICE pended, and to be for conservation spending For expenses necessary to carry out the activities pursuant to section 251(c) of the type use); repair of damage to public roads within and adjacent to reservation areas programs of the United States Park Police, Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit $78,431,000. Control Act of 1985, as amended, for the pur- caused by operations of the Service; options NATIONAL RECREATION AND PRESERVATION poses of discretionary spending limits. for the purchase of land at not to exceed $1 for each option; facilities incident to such For expenses necessary to carry out recre- STATE WILDLIFE GRANTS public recreational uses on conservation ation programs, natural programs, cultural For wildlife conservation grants to States areas as are consistent with their primary programs, heritage partnership programs, and to the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, purpose; and the maintenance and improve- environmental compliance and review, inter- Guam, the United States Virgin Islands, the ment of aquaria, buildings, and other facili- national park affairs, statutory or contrac- Northern Mariana Islands, American Samoa, ties under the jurisdiction of the Service and tual aid for other activities, and grant ad- and federally recognized Indian tribes under to which the United States has title, and ministration, not otherwise provided for, the provisions of the Fish and Wildlife Act of which are used pursuant to law in connec- $56,330,000. 1956 and the Fish and Wildlife Coordination tion with management and investigation of URBAN PARK AND RECREATION FUND Act, for the development and implementa- fish and wildlife resources: Provided, That For expenses necessary to carry out the tion of programs for the benefit of wildlife notwithstanding 44 U.S.C. 501, the Service and their habitat, including species that are provisions of the Urban Park and Recreation may, under cooperative cost sharing and Recovery Act of 1978 (16 U.S.C. 2501 et seq.), not hunted or fished, $100,000,000, to be de- partnership arrangements authorized by law, rived from the Land and Water Conservation $30,000,000, to remain available until ex- procure printing services from cooperators pended and to be for the conservation activi- Fund, to remain available until expended, in connection with jointly produced publica- and to be for the conservation activities de- ties defined in section 250(c)(4)(E) of the Bal- tions for which the cooperators share at anced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control fined in section 250(c)(4)(E) of the Balanced least one-half the cost of printing either in Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act Act of 1985, as amended, for the purposes of cash or services and the Service determines such Act. of 1985, as amended, for the purposes of such the cooperator is capable of meeting accept- Act: Provided, That of the amount provided ed quality standards: Provided further, That HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUND herein, $5,000,000 is for a competitive grant the Service may accept donated aircraft as For expenses necessary in carrying out the program for Indian tribes not subject to the replacements for existing aircraft: Provided Historic Preservation Act of 1966, as amend- remaining provisions of this appropriation: further, That notwithstanding any other pro- ed (16 U.S.C. 470), and the Omnibus Parks and Provided further, That the Secretary shall, vision of law, the Secretary of the Interior Public Lands Management Act of 1996 (Pub- after deducting said $5,000,000 and adminis- may not spend any of the funds appropriated lic Law 104–333), $76,500,000, to be derived trative expenses, apportion the amount pro- in this Act for the purchase of lands or inter- from the Historic Preservation Fund, to re- vided herein in the following manner: (A) to ests in lands to be used in the establishment main available until September 30, 2004, and the District of Columbia and to the Com- of any new unit of the National Wildlife Ref- to be for the conservation activities defined monwealth of Puerto Rico, each a sum equal uge System unless the purchase is approved in section 250(c)(4)(E) of the Balanced Budget to not more than one-half of 1 percent there- in advance by the House and Senate Commit- and Emergency Deficit Control Control Act of: and (B) to Guam, American Samoa, the tees on Appropriations in compliance with of 1985, as amended, for the purposes of such United States Virgin Islands, and the Com- the reprogramming procedures contained in Act: Provided, That, of the amount provided monwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, Senate Report 105–56. herein, $2,500,000, to remain available until each a sum equal to not more than one- expended, is for a grant for the perpetual NATIONAL PARK SERVICE fourth of 1 percent thereof: Provided further, care and maintenance of National Trust His- That the Secretary shall apportion the re- OPERATION OF THE NATIONAL PARK SYSTEM toric Sites, as authorized under 16 U.S.C. maining amount in the following manner: For expenses necessary for the manage- 470a(e)(2), to be made available in full upon (A) one-third of which is based on the ratio ment, operation, and maintenance of areas signing of a grant agreement: Provided fur- to which the land area of such State bears to and facilities administered by the National ther, That, notwithstanding any other provi- the total land area of all such States; and (B) Park Service (including special road mainte- sion of law, these funds shall be available for two-thirds of which is based on the ratio to nance service to trucking permittees on a re- investment with the proceeds to be used for which the population of such State bears to imbursable basis), and for the general admin- the same purpose as set out herein: Provided

VerDate jun 06 2002 04:18 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00078 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\A16JY7.044 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4755 further, That of the total amount provided, $20,000,000 may be for Federal grants, includ- Notwithstanding any other provision of $30,000,000 shall be for Save America’s Treas- ing Federal administrative expenses, to the law, in fiscal year 2003 and thereafter, sums ures for priority preservation projects, of na- State of Florida for the acquisition of lands provided to the National Park Service by tionally significant sites, structures, and ar- or waters, or interests therein, within the private entities for utility services shall be tifacts: Provided further, That any individual Everglades watershed (consisting of lands credited to the appropriate account and re- Save America’s Treasures grant shall be and waters within the boundaries of the main available until expended. Heretofore matched by non-Federal funds: Provided fur- South Florida Water Management District, and hereafter, in carrying out the work ther, That individual projects shall only be Florida Bay and the Florida Keys, including under reimbursable agreements with any eligible for one grant, and all projects to be the areas known as the Frog Pond, the State, local or tribal government, the Na- funded shall be approved by the House and Rocky Glades and the Eight and One-Half tional Park Service may, without regard to Senate Committees on Appropriations and Square Mile Area) under terms and condi- 31 U.S.C. 1341 or any other provision of law the Secretary of the Interior in consultation tions deemed necessary by the Secretary to or regulation, record obligations against ac- with the President’s Committee on the Arts improve and restore the hydrological func- counts receivable from such entities, and and Humanities prior to the commitment of tion of the Everglades watershed: Provided shall credit amounts received from such en- grant funds: Provided further, That Save further, That funds provided under this head- tities to the appropriate account, such credit America’s Treasures funds allocated for Fed- ing for assistance to the State of Florida to to occur within 90 days of the date of the eral projects shall be available by transfer to acquire lands within the Everglades water- original request by the National Park Serv- appropriate accounts of individual agencies, shed are contingent upon new matching non- ice for payment. after approval of such projects by the Sec- Federal funds by the State, or are matched UNITED STATES GEOLOGICAL SURVEY retary of the Interior, in consultation with by the State pursuant to the cost-sharing SURVEYS, INVESTIGATIONS, AND RESEARCH the House and Senate Committees on Appro- provisions of section 316(b) of Public Law priations and the President’s Committee on 104–303, and shall be subject to an agreement For expenses necessary for the United the Arts and Humanities. that the lands to be acquired will be man- States Geological Survey to perform sur- veys, investigations, and research covering CONSTRUCTION aged in perpetuity for the restoration of the topography, geology, hydrology, biology, and For construction, improvements, repair or Everglades: Provided further, That none of the funds provided for the State assistance the mineral and water resources of the replacement of physical facilities, including United States, its territories and posses- the modifications authorized by section 104 program may be used to establish a contin- gency fund: Provided further, That notwith- sions, and other areas as authorized by 43 of the Everglades National Park Protection U.S.C. 31, 1332, and 1340; classify lands as to and Expansion Act of 1989, $325,186,000, to re- standing any other provision of law, funds provided in this Act and in prior Acts for their mineral and water resources; give engi- main available until expended, of which neering supervision to power permittees and $53,736,000 is for conservation activities de- project modifications by the Army Corps of Engineers pursuant in section 104 of the Ev- Federal Energy Regulatory Commission li- fined in section 250(c)(4)(E) of the Balanced censees; administer the minerals exploration Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act erglades National Park Protection and Ex- pansion Act of 1989 shall be made available program (30 U.S.C. 641); and publish and dis- of 1985, as amended, for the purposes of such seminate data relative to the foregoing ac- Act: Provided, That none of the funds in this to the Army Corps of Engineers, which shall implement without further delay Alter- tivities; and to conduct inquiries into the or any other Act, may be used to pay the sal- economic conditions affecting mining and aries and expenses of more than 160 Full native 6D, including acquisition of lands and interests in lands, as generally described in materials processing industries (30 U.S.C. 3, Time Equivalent personnel working for the 21a, and 1603; 50 U.S.C. 98g(1)) and related National Park Service’s Denver Service Cen- the Central and Southern Florida Project, Modified Water Deliveries to Everglades Na- purposes as authorized by law and to publish ter funded under the construction program and disseminate data; $928,405,000, of which management and operations activity: Pro- tional Park, Florida, 8.5 Square Mile Area, General Reevaluation Report and Final Sup- $64,855,000 shall be available only for co- vided further, That none of the funds provided operation with States or municipalities for in this or any other Act may be used to pre- plemental Environmental Impact State- ment, dated July 2000, for the purpose of pro- water resources investigations; of which design, plan, or construct any new facility $15,650,000 shall remain available until ex- (including visitor centers, curatorial facili- viding a flood protection system for the 8.5 Square Mile Area. pended for conducting inquiries into the eco- ties, administrative buildings), for which ap- nomic conditions affecting mining and mate- ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS propriations have not been specifically pro- rials processing industries; of which vided if the net construction cost of such fa- Appropriations for the National Park Serv- $24,448,000 shall be available until September cility is in excess of $5,000,000, without prior ice shall be available for the purchase of not 30, 2004 for the operation and maintenance of approval of the House and Senate Commit- to exceed 301 passenger motor vehicles, of facilities and deferred maintenance; and of tees on Appropriations: Provided further, which 273 shall be for replacement only, in- which $170,414,000 shall be available until That this restriction applies to all funds cluding not to exceed 226 for police-type use, September 30, 2004 for the biological research available to the National Park Service, in- 10 buses, and 8 ambulances: Provided, That activity and the operation of the Cooperative cluding partnership and fee demonstration none of the funds appropriated to the Na- Research Units: Provided, That none of these projects: Provided further, That the National tional Park Service may be used to process funds provided for the biological research ac- Park Service may transfer to the City of any grant or contract documents which do tivity shall be used to conduct new surveys Carlsbad, New Mexico, funds for the con- not include the text of 18 U.S.C. 1913: Pro- on private property, unless specifically au- struction of the National Cave and Karst Re- vided further, That none of the funds appro- thorized in writing by the property owner: search Institute to be built and operated in priated to the National Park Service may be Provided further, That of the amount pro- accordance with provisions in Public Law used to implement an agreement for the re- vided herein, $25,000,000 is for the conserva- 105–325 and all other applicable laws and reg- development of the southern end of Ellis Is- tion activities defined in section 250(c)(4)(E) ulations. Title to the Institute will be held land until such agreement has been sub- of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Def- by the City of Carlsbad. mitted to the Congress and shall not be im- icit Control Act of 1985, as amended, for the LAND AND WATER CONSERVATION FUND plemented prior to the expiration of 30 cal- purposes of such Act: Provided further, That (RESCISSION) endar days (not including any day in which no part of this appropriation shall be used to either House of Congress is not in session be- The contract authority provided for fiscal pay more than one-half the cost of topo- cause of adjournment of more than 3 cal- year 2003 by 16 U.S.C. 460l–10a is rescinded. graphic mapping or water resources data col- endar days to a day certain) from the receipt LAND ACQUISITION AND STATE ASSISTANCE lection and investigations carried on in co- by the Speaker of the House of Representa- operation with States and municipalities. For expenses necessary to carry out the tives and the President of the Senate of a Land and Water Conservation Act of 1965, as full and comprehensive report on the devel- ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS amended (16 U.S.C. 460l–4 through 11), includ- opment of the southern end of Ellis Island, The amount appropriated for the United ing administrative expenses, and for acquisi- including the facts and circumstances relied States Geological Survey shall be available tion of lands or waters, or interest therein, upon in support of the proposed project. for the purchase of not to exceed 53 pas- in accordance with the statutory authority None of the funds in this Act may be spent senger motor vehicles, of which 48 are for re- applicable to the National Park Service, by the National Park Service for activities placement only; reimbursement to the Gen- $253,099,000, to be derived from the Land and taken in direct response to the United Na- eral Services Administration for security Water Conservation Fund, to remain avail- tions Biodiversity Convention. guard services; contracting for the fur- able until expended, and to be for the con- The National Park Service may distribute nishing of topographic maps and for the servation activities defined in section to operating units based on the safety record making of geophysical or other specialized 250(c)(4)(E) of the Balanced Budget and of each unit the costs of programs designed surveys when it is administratively deter- Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, as to improve workplace and employee safety, mined that such procedures are in the public amended, for the purposes of such Act, of and to encourage employees receiving work- interest; construction and maintenance of which $150,000,000 is for the State assistance ers’ compensation benefits pursuant to chap- necessary buildings and appurtenant facili- program including $4,000,000 to administer ter 81 of title 5, United States Code, to re- ties; acquisition of lands for gauging stations the State assistance program: Provided, That turn to appropriate positions for which they and observation wells; expenses of the United of the amounts provided under this heading, are medically able. States National Committee on Geology; and

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payment of compensation and expenses of OIL SPILL RESEARCH cluding the Snyder Act of November 2, 1921 persons on the rolls of the Survey duly ap- For necessary expenses to carry out title I, (25 U.S.C. 13), the Indian Self-Determination pointed to represent the United States in the section 1016, title IV, sections 4202 and 4303, and Education Assistance Act of 1975 (25 negotiation and administration of interstate title VII, and title VIII, section 8201 of the U.S.C. 450 et seq.), as amended, the Edu- compacts: Provided, That activities funded Oil Pollution Act of 1990, $6,105,000, which cation Amendments of 1978 (25 U.S.C. 2001– by appropriations herein made may be ac- shall be derived from the Oil Spill Liability 2019), and the Tribally Controlled Schools complished through the use of contracts, Trust Fund, to remain available until ex- Act of 1988 (25 U.S.C. 2501 et seq.), as amend- grants, or cooperative agreements as defined pended. ed, $1,859,064,000, to remain available until in 31 U.S.C. 6302 et seq.: Provided further, September 30, 2004 except as otherwise pro- OFFICE OF SURFACE MINING RECLAMATION AND That the United States Geological Survey vided herein, of which not to exceed ENFORCEMENT may use cooperative agreements for joint re- $89,857,000 shall be for welfare assistance pay- search and data collection programs with REGULATION AND TECHNOLOGY ments and notwithstanding any other provi- Federal, State, and academic partners and For necessary expenses to carry out the sion of law, including but not limited to the may obtain space in cooperator facilities in- provisions of the Surface Mining Control and Indian Self-Determination Act of 1975, as cident to such cooperative agreements. Reclamation Act of 1977, Public Law 95–87, as amended, not to exceed $133,209,000 shall be MINERAL MANAGEMENT SERVICE amended, including the purchase of not to available for payments to tribes and tribal ROYALTY AND OFFSHORE MINERALS exceed 10 passenger motor vehicles, for re- organizations for contract support costs as- MANAGEMENT placement only; $105,367,000: Provided, That sociated with ongoing contracts, grants, For expenses necessary for minerals leas- the Secretary of the Interior, pursuant to compacts, or annual funding agreements en- ing and environmental studies, regulation of regulations, may use directly or through tered into with the Bureau prior to or during industry operations, and collection of royal- grants to States, moneys collected in fiscal fiscal year 2003, as authorized by such Act, ties, as authorized by law; for enforcing laws year 2003 for civil penalties assessed under except that tribes and tribal organizations and regulations applicable to oil, gas, and section 518 of the Surface Mining Control may use their tribal priority allocations for other minerals leases, permits, licenses and and Reclamation Act of 1977 (30 U.S.C. 1268), unmet indirect costs of ongoing contracts, operating contracts; and for matching grants to reclaim lands adversely affected by coal grants, or compacts, or annual funding or cooperative agreements; including the mining practices after August 3, 1977, to re- agreements and for unmet welfare assistance purchase of not to exceed eight passenger main available until expended: Provided fur- costs; and up to $2,000,000 shall be for the In- motor vehicles for replacement only, ther, That appropriations for the Office of dian Self-Determination Fund which shall be $164,721,000, of which $83,284,000, shall be Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforce- available for the transitional cost of initial available for royalty management activities; ment may provide for the travel and per or expanded tribal contracts, grants, com- and an amount not to exceed $100,230,000, to diem expenses of State and tribal personnel pacts or cooperative agreements with the be credited to this appropriation and to re- attending Office of Surface Mining Reclama- Bureau under such Act; and of which not to main available until expended, from addi- tion and Enforcement sponsored training. exceed $454,985,000 for school operations costs tions to receipts resulting from increases to ABANDONED MINE RECLAMATION FUND of Bureau-funded schools and other edu- rates in effect on August 5, 1993, from rate cation programs shall become available on For necessary expenses to carry out title increases to fee collections for Outer Conti- July 1, 2003, and shall remain available until IV of the Surface Mining Control and Rec- nental Shelf administrative activities per- September 30, 2004; and of which not to ex- lamation Act of 1977, Public Law 95–87, as formed by the Minerals Management Service ceed $57,536,000 shall remain available until amended, including the purchase of not more over and above the rates in effect on Sep- expended for housing improvement, road than 10 passenger motor vehicles for replace- tember 30, 1993, and from additional fees for maintenance, attorney fees, litigation sup- ment only, $184,745,000, to be derived from re- Outer Continental Shelf administrative ac- port, the Indian Self-Determination Fund, ceipts of the Abandoned Mine Reclamation tivities established after September 30, 1993: land records improvement, and the Navajo- Fund and to remain available until ex- Provided, That to the extent $100,230,000 in Hopi Settlement Program: Provided, That pended; of which up to $10,000,000, to be de- additions to receipts are not realized from notwithstanding any other provision of law, rived from the Federal Expenses Share of the the sources of receipts stated above, the including but not limited to the Indian Self- Fund, shall be for supplemental grants to amount needed to reach $100,230,000 shall be Determination Act of 1975, as amended, and States for the reclamation of abandoned credited to this appropriation from receipts 25 U.S.C. 2008, not to exceed $49,065,000 within sites with acid mine rock drainage from coal resulting from rental rates for Outer Conti- and only from such amounts made available mines, and for associated activities, through nental Shelf leases in effect before August 5, for school operations shall be available to the Appalachian Clean Streams Initiative: 1993: Provided further, That $3,000,000 for com- tribes and tribal organizations for adminis- Provided, That grants to minimum program puter acquisitions shall remain available trative cost grants associated with the oper- States will be $1,500,000 per State in fiscal until September 30, 2004: Provided further, ation of Bureau-funded schools: Provided fur- year 2003: Provided further, That of the funds That funds appropriated under this Act shall ther, That any forestry funds allocated to a herein provided up to $18,000,000 may be used be available for the payment of interest in tribe which remain unobligated as of Sep- for the emergency program authorized by accordance with 30 U.S.C. 1721(b) and (d): tember 30, 2004, may be transferred during section 410 of Public Law 95–87, as amended, Provided further, That not to exceed $3,000 fiscal year 2005 to an Indian forest land as- of which no more than 25 percent shall be shall be available for reasonable expenses re- sistance account established for the benefit used for emergency reclamation projects in lated to promoting volunteer beach and ma- of such tribe within the tribe’s trust fund ac- any one State and funds for federally admin- rine cleanup activities: Provided further, count: Provided further, That any such unob- istered emergency reclamation projects That notwithstanding any other provision of ligated balances not so transferred shall ex- under this proviso shall not exceed law, $15,000 under this heading shall be avail- pire on September 30, 2005. able for refunds of overpayments in connec- $11,000,000: Provided further, That prior year CONSTRUCTION tion with certain Indian leases in which the unobligated funds appropriated for the emer- Director of the Minerals Management Serv- gency reclamation program shall not be sub- For construction, repair, improvement, ice (MMS) concurred with the claimed refund ject to the 25 percent limitation per State and maintenance of irrigation and power sys- due, to pay amounts owed to Indian allottees and may be used without fiscal year limita- tems, buildings, utilities, and other facili- or tribes, or to correct prior unrecoverable tion for emergency projects: Provided further, ties, including architectural and engineering erroneous payments: Provided further, That That pursuant to Public Law 97–365, the De- services by contract; acquisition of lands, MMS may under the royalty-in-kind pilot partment of the Interior is authorized to use and interests in lands; and preparation of program, or under its authority to transfer up to 20 percent from the recovery of the de- lands for farming, and for construction of oil to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, use a linquent debt owed to the United States Gov- the Navajo Indian Irrigation Project pursu- portion of the revenues from royalty-in-kind ernment to pay for contracts to collect these ant to Public Law 87–483, $345,252,000, to re- sales, without regard to fiscal year limita- debts: Provided further, That funds made main available until expended: Provided, tion, to pay for transportation to wholesale available under title IV of Public Law 95–87 That such amounts as may be available for market centers or upstream pooling points, may be used for any required non-Federal the construction of the Navajo Indian Irriga- to process or otherwise dispose of royalty share of the cost of projects funded by the tion Project may be transferred to the Bu- production taken in kind, and to recover Federal Government for the purpose of envi- reau of Reclamation: Provided further, That MMS transportation costs, salaries, and ronmental restoration related to treatment not to exceed 6 percent of contract authority other administrative costs directly related or abatement of acid mine drainage from available to the Bureau of Indian Affairs to filling the Strategic Petroleum Reserve: abandoned mines: Provided further, That such from the Federal Highway Trust Fund may Provided further, That MMS shall analyze and projects must be consistent with the pur- be used to cover the road program manage- document the expected return in advance of poses and priorities of the Surface Mining ment costs of the Bureau: Provided further, any royalty-in-kind sales to assure to the Control and Reclamation Act. That any funds provided for the Safety of maximum extent practicable that royalty Dams program pursuant to 25 U.S.C. 13 shall BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS income under the pilot program is equal to be made available on a nonreimbursable or greater than royalty income recognized OPERATION OF INDIAN PROGRAMS basis: Provided further, That for fiscal year under a comparable royalty-in-value pro- For expenses necessary for the operation of 2003, in implementing new construction or gram. Indian programs, as authorized by law, in- facilities improvement and repair project

VerDate jun 06 2002 04:18 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00080 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\A16JY7.044 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4757 grants in excess of $100,000 that are provided dian Affairs for central office operations, thorized by law (Public Law 94–241; 90 Stat. to tribally controlled grant schools under pooled overhead general administration (ex- 272); and (2) $5,295,000 shall be available for Public Law 100–297, as amended, the Sec- cept facilities operations and maintenance), salaries and expenses of the Office of Insular retary of the Interior shall use the Adminis- or provided to implement the recommenda- Affairs: Provided, That all financial trans- trative and Audit Requirements and Cost tions of the National Academy of Public Ad- actions of the territorial and local govern- Principles for Assistance Programs con- ministration’s August 1999 report shall be ments herein provided for, including such tained in 43 CFR part 12 as the regulatory re- available for tribal contracts, grants, com- transactions of all agencies or instrumental- quirements: Provided further, That such pacts, or cooperative agreements with the ities established or used by such govern- grants shall not be subject to section 12.61 of Bureau of Indian Affairs under the provisions ments, may be audited by the General Ac- 43 CFR; the Secretary and the grantee shall of the Indian Self-Determination Act or the counting Office, at its discretion, in accord- negotiate and determine a schedule of pay- Tribal Self-Governance Act of 1994 (Public ance with chapter 35 of title 31, United ments for the work to be performed: Provided Law 103–413). States Code: Provided further, That Northern further, That in considering applications, the In the event any tribe returns appropria- Mariana Islands Covenant grant funding Secretary shall consider whether the Indian tions made available by this Act to the Bu- shall be provided according to those terms of tribe or tribal organization would be defi- reau of Indian Affairs for distribution to the Agreement of the Special Representa- cient in assuring that the construction other tribes, this action shall not diminish tives on Future United States Financial As- projects conform to applicable building the Federal Government’s trust responsi- sistance for the Northern Mariana Islands standards and codes and Federal, tribal, or bility to that tribe, or the government-to- approved by Public Law 104–134: Provided fur- State health and safety standards as re- government relationship between the United ther, That of the amounts provided for quired by 25 U.S.C. 2005(a), with respect to States and that tribe, or that tribe’s ability Northern Mariana Islands Covenant grant organizational and financial management to access future appropriations. funding, $1,000,000 shall be granted to the capabilities: Provided further, That if the Notwithstanding any other provision of Prior Service Benefits Administration: Pro- Secretary declines an application, the Sec- law, no funds available to the Bureau, other vided further, That of the amounts provided retary shall follow the requirements con- than the amounts provided herein for assist- for technical assistance, sufficient funding tained in 25 U.S.C. 2505(f): Provided further, ance to public schools under 25 U.S.C. 452 et shall be made available for a grant to the That any disputes between the Secretary and seq., shall be available to support the oper- Close Up Foundation: Provided further, That any grantee concerning a grant shall be sub- ation of any elementary or secondary school the funds for the program of operations and ject to the disputes provision in 25 U.S.C. in the State of Alaska. maintenance improvement are appropriated 2508(e). Appropriations made available in this or to institutionalize routine operations and any other Act for schools funded by the Bu- maintenance improvement of capital infra- INDIAN LAND AND WATER CLAIM SETTLEMENTS reau shall be available only to the schools in AND MISCELLANEOUS PAYMENTS TO INDIANS structure, with territorial participation and the Bureau school system as of September 1, cost sharing to be determined by the Sec- For miscellaneous payments to Indian 1996. No funds available to the Bureau shall retary based on the grantee’s commitment tribes and individuals and for necessary ad- be used to support expanded grades for any to timely maintenance of its capital assets: ministrative expenses, $60,949,000, to remain school or dormitory beyond the grade struc- Provided further, That any appropriation for available until expended; of which $24,870,000 ture in place or approved by the Secretary of disaster assistance under this heading in this shall be available for implementation of en- the Interior at each school in the Bureau Act or previous appropriations Acts may be acted Indian land and water claim settle- school system as of October 1, 1995. Funds used as non-Federal matching funds for the ments pursuant to Public Laws 101–618 and made available under this Act may not be purpose of hazard mitigation grants provided 102–575, and for implementation of other en- used to establish a charter school at a Bu- pursuant to section 404 of the Robert T. Staf- acted water rights settlements; of which reau-funded school (as that term is defined ford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assist- $5,068,000 shall be available for future water in section 1146 of the Education Amendments ance Act (42 U.S.C. 5170c). supplies facilities under Public Law 106–163; of 1978 (25 U.S.C. 2026)), except that a charter of which $31,011,000 shall be available pursu- school that is in existence on the date of the COMPACT OF FREE ASSOCIATION ant to Public Laws 99–264, 100–580, 106–263, enactment of this Act and that has operated For economic assistance and necessary ex- 106–425, and 106–554: Provided, That of the at a Bureau-funded school before September penses for the Federated States of Micro- amount provided for implementation of Pub- 1, 1999, may continue to operate during that nesia and the Republic of the Marshall Is- lic Law 106–263, $3,000,000 for a water rights period, but only if the charter school pays to lands as provided for in sections 122, 221, 223, and habitat acquisition program shall be de- the Bureau a pro rata share of funds to reim- 232, and 233 of the Compact of Free Associa- rived from the Land and Water Conservation burse the Bureau for the use of the real and tion, and for economic assistance and nec- Fund. personal property (including buses and vans), essary expenses for the Republic of Palau as INDIAN GUARANTEED LOAN PROGRAM ACCOUNT the funds of the charter school are kept sepa- provided for in sections 122, 221, 223, 232, and rate and apart from Bureau funds, and the For the cost of guaranteed and insured 233 of the Compact of Free Association, Bureau does not assume any obligation for loans, $5,000,000, as authorized by the Indian $21,045,000, to remain available until ex- charter school programs of the State in Financing Act of 1974, as amended: Provided, pended, as authorized by Public Law 99–239 which the school is located if the charter That such costs, including the cost of modi- and Public Law 99–658. fying such loans, shall be as defined in sec- school loses such funding. Employees of Bu- tion 502 of the Congressional Budget Act of reau-funded schools sharing a campus with a DEPARTMENTAL MANAGEMENT 1974: Provided further, That these funds are charter school and performing functions re- SALARIES AND EXPENSES available to subsidize total loan principal, lated to the charter school’s operation and any part of which is to be guaranteed, not to employees of a charter school shall not be For necessary expenses for management of exceed $72,424,000. treated as Federal employees for purposes of the Department of the Interior, $72,533,000, of In addition, for administrative expenses to chapter 171 of title 28, United States Code which not to exceed $8,500 may be for official carry out the guaranteed and insured loan (commonly known as the ‘‘Federal Tort reception and representation expenses, and programs, $493,000. Claims Act’’). of which up to $1,000,000 shall be available for ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS DEPARTMENTAL OFFICES workers compensation payments and unem- ployment compensation payments associated The Bureau of Indian Affairs may carry INSULAR AFFAIRS with the orderly closure of the United States out the operation of Indian programs by di- ASSISTANCE TO TERRITORIES Bureau of Mines. rect expenditure, contracts, cooperative For expenses necessary for assistance to agreements, compacts and grants, either di- territories under the jurisdiction of the De- OFFICE OF THE SOLICITOR rectly or in cooperation with States and partment of the Interior, $73,217,000, of other organizations. which: (1) $67,922,000 shall be available until SALARIES AND EXPENSES Notwithstanding 25 U.S.C. 15, the Bureau expended for technical assistance, including For necessary expenses of the Office of the of Indian Affairs may contract for services in maintenance assistance, disaster assistance, Solicitor, $47,473,000. support of the management, operation, and insular management controls, coral reef ini- maintenance of the Power Division of the tiative activities, and brown tree snake con- OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL San Carlos Irrigation Project. trol and research; grants to the judiciary in SALARIES AND EXPENSES Appropriations for the Bureau of Indian American Samoa for compensation and ex- Affairs (except the revolving fund for loans, penses, as authorized by law (48 U.S.C. For necessary expenses of the Office of In- the Indian loan guarantee and insurance 1661(c)); grants to the Government of Amer- spector General, $36,239,000, of which fund, and the Indian Guaranteed Loan Pro- ican Samoa, in addition to current local rev- $3,812,000 shall be for procurement by con- gram account) shall be available for expenses enues, for construction and support of gov- tract of independent auditing services to of exhibits, and purchase of not to exceed 229 ernmental functions; grants to the Govern- audit the consolidated Department of the In- passenger motor vehicles, of which not to ex- ment of the Virgin Islands as authorized by terior annual financial statement and the ceed 187 shall be for replacement only. law; grants to the Government of Guam, as annual financial statement of the Depart- Notwithstanding any other provision of authorized by law; and grants to the Govern- ment of the Interior bureaus and offices law, no funds available to the Bureau of In- ment of the Northern Mariana Islands as au- funded in this Act.

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NATIONAL INDIAN GAMING COMMISSION Department of the Interior necessary to equipment in connection with their use for SALARIES AND EXPENSES carry out the provisions of the Comprehen- wildland fire operations, such reimburse- For necessary expenses of the National In- sive Environmental Response, Compensa- ment to be credited to appropriations cur- dian Gaming Commission, pursuant to Pub- tion, and Liability Act, as amended (42 rently available at the time of receipt there- lic Law 100–497, $2,000,000, to remain avail- U.S.C. 9601 et seq.), Federal Water Pollution of: Provided further, That for wildland fire op- able until expended. Control Act, as amended (33 U.S.C. 1251 et erations, no funds shall be made available seq.), the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 (Public under this authority until the Secretary de- OFFICE OF SPECIAL TRUSTEE FOR AMERICAN Law 101–380) (33 U.S.C. 2701 et seq.), and Pub- termines that funds appropriated for INDIANS lic Law 101–337, as amended (16 U.S.C. 19jj et ‘‘wildland fire operations’’ shall be exhausted FEDERAL TRUST PROGRAMS seq.), $5,538,000, to remain available until ex- within 30 days: Provided further, That all For operation of trust programs for Indi- pended. funds used pursuant to this section are here- ans by direct expenditure, contracts, cooper- ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS by designated by Congress to be ‘‘emergency ative agreements, compacts, and grants, requirements’’ pursuant to section $141,277,000, to remain available until ex- There is hereby authorized for acquisition from available resources within the Working 251(b)(2)(A) of the Balanced Budget and pended, including not to exceed $15,000,000 to Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, and perform a historical accounting of each Indi- Capital Fund, 15 aircraft, 10 of which shall be for replacement and which may be obtained must be replenished by a supplemental ap- vidual Indian Money Account open on De- propriation which must be requested as cember 31, 2000, covering the period from the by donation, purchase or through available promptly as possible: Provided further, That date on which the account was opened or excess surplus property: Provided, That not- such replenishment funds shall be used to re- January 1, 1985, whichever is later, to De- withstanding any other provision of law, ex- imburse, on a pro rata basis, accounts from cember 31, 2000: Provided, That hereafter no isting aircraft being replaced may be sold, which emergency funds were transferred. funds provided under this or any other Act with proceeds derived or trade-in value used SEC. 103. Appropriations made in this title shall be available to conduct a historical ac- to offset the purchase price for the replace- shall be available for operation of ware- counting of Individual Indian Money Ac- ment aircraft: Provided further, That no pro- houses, garages, shops, and similar facilities, counts other than an accounting for the pe- grams funded with appropriated funds in the wherever consolidation of activities will con- riod specified in this Act of accounts open on ‘‘Departmental Management’’, ‘‘Office of the December 31, 2000, unless such accounting is Solicitor’’, and ‘‘Office of Inspector General’’ tribute to efficiency or economy, and said specifically provided for in a subsequent Act may be augmented through the Working appropriations shall be reimbursed for serv- of Congress: Provided further, That funds for Capital Fund or the Consolidated Working ices rendered to any other activity in the trust management improvements may be Fund. same manner as authorized by sections 1535 transferred, as needed, to the Bureau of In- GENERAL PROVISIONS, DEPARTMENT OF and 1536 of title 31, United States Code: Pro- dian Affairs ‘‘Operation of Indian Programs’’ THE INTERIOR vided, That reimbursements for costs and supplies, materials, equipment, and for serv- account and to the Departmental Manage- SEC. 101. Appropriations made in this title ices rendered may be credited to the appro- ment ‘‘Salaries and Expenses’’ account: Pro- shall be available for expenditure or transfer priation current at the time such reimburse- vided further, That funds made available to (within each bureau or office), with the ap- ments are received. Tribes and Tribal organizations through con- proval of the Secretary, for the emergency SEC. 104. Appropriations made to the De- tracts or grants obligated during fiscal year reconstruction, replacement, or repair of air- 2003, as authorized by the Indian Self-Deter- partment of the Interior in this title shall be craft, buildings, utilities, or other facilities available for services as authorized by 5 mination Act of 1975 (25 U.S.C. 450 et seq.), or equipment damaged or destroyed by fire, shall remain available until expended by the U.S.C. 3109, when authorized by the Sec- flood, storm, or other unavoidable causes: retary, in total amount not to exceed contractor or grantee: Provided further, That Provided, That no funds shall be made avail- notwithstanding any other provision of law, $500,000; hire, maintenance, and operation of able under this authority until funds specifi- aircraft; hire of passenger motor vehicles; the statute of limitations shall not com- cally made available to the Department of mence to run on any claim, including any purchase of reprints; payment for telephone the Interior for emergencies shall have been service in private residences in the field, claim in litigation pending on the date of the exhausted: Provided further, That all funds enactment of this Act, concerning losses to when authorized under regulations approved used pursuant to this section are hereby des- by the Secretary; and the payment of dues, or mismanagement of trust funds, until the ignated by Congress to be ‘‘emergency re- affected tribe or individual Indian has been when authorized by the Secretary, for li- quirements’’ pursuant to section 251(b)(2)(A) brary membership in societies or associa- furnished with an accounting of such funds of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Def- from which the beneficiary can determine tions which issue publications to members icit Control Act of 1985, and must be replen- whether there has been a loss: Provided fur- only or at a price to members lower than to ished by a supplemental appropriation which ther, That notwithstanding any other provi- subscribers who are not members. must be requested as promptly as possible. sion of law, the Secretary shall not be re- SEC. 105. Appropriations available to the SEC. 102. The Secretary may authorize the quired to provide a quarterly statement of Department of the Interior for salaries and expenditure or transfer of any no year appro- expenses shall be available for uniforms or performance for any Indian trust account priation in this title, in addition to the that has not had activity for at least 18 allowances therefor, as authorized by law (5 amounts included in the budget programs of U.S.C. 5901–5902 and D.C. Code 4–204). months and has a balance of $1.00 or less: the several agencies, for the suppression or Provided further, That the Secretary shall SEC. 106. Annual appropriations made in emergency prevention of wildland fires on or issue an annual account statement and this title shall be available for obligation in threatening lands under the jurisdiction of maintain a record of any such accounts and connection with contracts issued for services the Department of the Interior; for the emer- shall permit the balance in each such ac- or rentals for periods not in excess of 12 gency rehabilitation of burned-over lands count to be withdrawn upon the express writ- months beginning at any time during the fis- under its jurisdiction; for emergency actions ten request of the account holder: Provided cal year. related to potential or actual earthquakes, further, That not to exceed $50,000 is avail- SEC. 107. No funds provided in this title floods, volcanoes, storms, or other unavoid- able for the Secretary to make payments to may be expended by the Department of the able causes; for contingency planning subse- correct administrative errors of either dis- Interior for the conduct of offshore quent to actual oil spills; for response and bursements from or deposits to Individual preleasing, leasing and related activities Indian Money or Tribal accounts after Sep- natural resource damage assessment activi- placed under restriction in the President’s tember 30, 2002: Provided further, That erro- ties related to actual oil spills; for the pre- moratorium statement of June 12, 1998, in neous payments that are recovered shall be vention, suppression, and control of actual the areas of northern, central, and southern credited to this account. or potential grasshopper and Mormon crick- California; the North Atlantic; Washington et outbreaks on lands under the jurisdiction INDIAN LAND CONSOLIDATION and Oregon; and the eastern Gulf of Mexico of the Secretary, pursuant to the authority south of 26 degrees north latitude and east of For consolidation of fractional interests in in section 1773(b) of Public Law 99–198 (99 86 degrees west longitude. Indian lands and expenses associated with re- Stat. 1658); for emergency reclamation SEC. 108. No funds provided in this title determining and redistributing escheated in- projects under section 410 of Public Law 95– may be expended by the Department of the terests in allotted lands, and for necessary 87; and shall transfer, from any no year funds Interior for the conduct of offshore oil and expenses to carry out the Indian Land Con- available to the Office of Surface Mining natural gas preleasing, leasing, and related solidation Act of 1983, as amended, by direct Reclamation and Enforcement, such funds as activities, on lands within the North Aleu- expenditure or cooperative agreement, may be necessary to permit assumption of tian Basin planning area. $7,980,000, to remain available until expended regulatory authority in the event a primacy SEC. 109. No funds provided in this title and which may be transferred to the Bureau State is not carrying out the regulatory pro- may be expended by the Department of the of Indian Affairs and Departmental Manage- visions of the Surface Mining Act: Provided, Interior to conduct offshore oil and natural ment. That appropriations made in this title for gas preleasing, leasing and related activities NATURAL RESOURCE DAMAGE ASSESSMENT wildland fire operations shall be available in the eastern Gulf of Mexico planning area AND RESTORATION for the payment of obligations incurred dur- for any lands located outside Sale 181, as NATURAL RESOURCE DAMAGE ASSESSMENT FUND ing the preceding fiscal year, and for reim- identified in the final Outer Continental To conduct natural resource damage as- bursement to other Federal agencies for de- Shelf 5-Year Oil and Gas Leasing Program, sessment and restoration activities by the struction of vehicles, aircraft, or other 1997–2002.

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SEC. 110. No funds provided in this title erning the classification and pay of General Act of September 8, 1959 (73 Stat. 470; 18 may be expended by the Department of the Schedule employees, except that no such In- U.S.C. 47(a)) shall not be applicable to such Interior to conduct oil and natural gas dian probate judge may be paid at a level use. Such use shall be in accordance with hu- preleasing, leasing and related activities in which exceeds the maximum rate payable for mane procedures prescribed by the Sec- the Mid-Atlantic and South Atlantic plan- the highest grade of the General Schedule, retary. ning areas. including locality pay. SEC. 125. Funds provided in this Act for SEC. 111. Advance payments made under SEC. 116. Notwithstanding any other provi- Federal land acquisition by the National this title to Indian tribes, tribal organiza- sion of law, the Secretary of the Interior is Park Service for Shenandoah Valley Battle- tions, and tribal consortia pursuant to the authorized to redistribute any Tribal Pri- fields National Historic District, and Ice Age Indian Self-Determination and Education ority Allocation funds, including tribal base National Scenic Trail may be used for a Assistance Act (25 U.S.C. 450 et seq.) or the funds, to alleviate tribal funding inequities grant to a State, a local government, or any Tribally Controlled Schools Act of 1988 (25 by transferring funds to address identified, other governmental land management entity U.S.C. 2501 et seq.) may be invested by the unmet needs, dual enrollment, overlapping for the acquisition of lands without regard to Indian tribe, tribal organization, or consor- service areas or inaccurate distribution any restriction on the use of Federal land ac- tium before such funds are expended for the methodologies. No tribe shall receive a re- quisition funds provided through the Land purposes of the grant, compact, or annual duction in Tribal Priority Allocation funds and Water Conservation Fund Act of 1965 as funding agreement so long as such funds of more than 10 percent in fiscal year 2003. amended. are— Under circumstances of dual enrollment, SEC. 126. None of the funds made available (1) invested by the Indian tribe, tribal or- overlapping service areas or inaccurate dis- by this Act may be obligated or expended by ganization, or consortium only in obliga- tribution methodologies, the 10 percent limi- the National Park Service to enter into or tions of the United States, or in obligations tation does not apply. implement a concession contract which per- or securities that are guaranteed or insured SEC. 117. Funds appropriated for the Bu- mits or requires the removal of the under- by the United States, or mutual (or other) reau of Indian Affairs for postsecondary ground lunchroom at the Carlsbad Caverns funds registered with the Securities and Ex- schools for fiscal year 2003 shall be allocated National Park. change Commission and which only invest in among the schools proportionate to the SEC. 127. None of the funds made available obligations of the United States or securities unmet need of the schools as determined by in this Act may be used: (1) to demolish the that are guaranteed or insured by the United the Postsecondary Funding Formula adopted bridge between Jersey City, New Jersey, and States; or by the Office of Indian Education Programs. Ellis Island; or (2) to prevent pedestrian use (2) deposited only into accounts that are SEC. 118. (a) The Secretary of the Interior of such bridge, when such pedestrian use is insured by an agency or instrumentality of shall take such action as may be necessary consistent with generally accepted safety the United States, or are fully collateralized to ensure that the lands comprising the standards. to ensure protection of the funds, even in the Huron Cemetery in Kansas City, Kansas (as SEC. 128. None of the funds made available event of a bank failure. described in section 123 of Public Law 106– in this or any other Act for any fiscal year SEC. 112. Notwithstanding any other provi- 291) are used only in accordance with this may be used to designate, or to post any sign sions of law, the National Park Service shall section. designating, any portion of Canaveral Na- not develop or implement a reduced entrance (b) The lands of the Huron Cemetery shall tional Seashore in Brevard County, Florida, fee program to accommodate non-local trav- be used only: (1) for religious and cultural as a clothing-optional area or as an area in el through a unit. The Secretary may pro- uses that are compatible with the use of the which public nudity is permitted, if such des- vide for and regulate local non-recreational lands as a cemetery; and (2) as a burial ignation would be contrary to county ordi- passage through units of the National Park ground. nance. System, allowing each unit to develop guide- SEC. 119. Notwithstanding any other provi- SEC. 129. Notwithstanding any other provi- lines and permits for such activity appro- sion of law, in conveying the Twin Cities Re- sion of law, the United States Fish and Wild- priate to that unit. search Center under the authority provided life Service may use funds appropriated in SEC. 113. Appropriations made in this Act by Public Law 104–134, as amended by Public this Act for incidental expenses related to under the headings Bureau of Indian Affairs Law 104–208, the Secretary may accept and promoting and celebrating the Centennial of and Office of Special Trustee for American retain land and other forms of reimburse- the National Wildlife Refuge System. Indians and any available unobligated bal- ment: Provided, That the Secretary may re- SEC. 130. The National Park Service may in ances from prior appropriations Acts made tain and use any such reimbursement until fiscal year 2003 and thereafter enter into a under the same headings, shall be available expended and without further appropriation: cooperative agreement with and transfer for expenditure or transfer for Indian trust (1) for the benefit of the National Wildlife funds to Capital Concerts, a nonprofit orga- management and reform activities. Refuge System within the State of Min- nization, for the purpose of carrying out pro- SEC. 114. Notwithstanding any other provi- nesota; and (2) for all activities authorized grams pursuant to 31 U.S.C. 6305. sion of law, the Secretary of the Interior by Public Law 100–696; 16 U.S.C. 460zz. SEC. 131. No later than 30 days after enact- hereafter has ongoing authority to negotiate ment of this Act, the Secretary of the Inte- SEC. 120. Section 412(b) of the National and enter into agreements and leases, with- Parks Omnibus Management Act of 1998, as rior shall provide to the House and Senate out regard to section 321 of chapter 314 of the amended (16 U.S.C. 5961) is further amended Committees on Appropriations and the Act of June 30, 1932 (40 U.S.C. 303b), with any by striking ‘‘2002’’ and inserting ‘‘2003’’. House Committee on Resources and the Sen- person, firm, association, organization, cor- SEC. 121. Notwithstanding other provisions ate Committee on Indian Affairs a summary poration, or governmental entity, for all or of law, the National Park Service may au- of the Ernst and Young report on the histor- part of the property within Fort Baker ad- thorize, through cooperative agreement, the ical accounting for the five named plaintiffs ministered by the Secretary as part of the Golden Gate National Parks Association to in Cobell v. Norton. The summary shall not Golden Gate National Recreation Area. The provide fee-based education, interpretive and provide individually identifiable financial in- proceeds of the agreements or leases shall be visitor service functions within the Crissy formation, but shall fully describe the aggre- retained by the Secretary and such proceeds Field and Fort Point areas of the Presidio. gate results of the historical accounting. shall remain available until expended, with- SEC. 132. None of the funds in this or any SEC. 122. Notwithstanding 31 U.S.C. 3302(b), out further appropriation, for the preserva- sums received by the Bureau of Land Man- other Act for the Department of the Interior tion, restoration, operation, maintenance, agement for the sale of seeds or seedlings in- or the Department of Justice can be used to interpretation, public programs, and related cluding those collected in fiscal year 2002, compensate the Special Master and the expenses of the National Park Service and may be credited to the appropriation from Court Monitor appointed by the United nonprofit park partners incurred with re- which funds were expended to acquire or States District Court for the District of Co- spect to Fort Baker properties. grow the seeds or seedlings and are available lumbia in the Cobell v. Norton litigation at SEC. 115. Notwithstanding any other provi- without fiscal year limitation. an annual rate that exceeds 200 percent of sion of law, for the purpose of reducing the the highest Senior Executive Service rate of backlog of Indian probate cases in the De- WHITE RIVER OIL SHALE MINE, UTAH—SALE pay for the Washington-Baltimore locality partment of the Interior, the hearing re- SEC. 123. Subject to the terms and condi- pay area. quirements of chapter 10 of title 25, United tions of section 126 of the Department of the SEC. 133. Within 90 days of enactment of States Code, are deemed satisfied by a pro- Interior and Related Agencies Act, 2002, the this Act the Special Trustee for American ceeding conducted by an Indian probate Administrator of General Services shall sell Indians, in consultation with the Secretary judge, appointed by the Secretary without all right, title, and interest of the United of the Interior and the Tribes, shall appoint regard to the provisions of title 5, United States in and to the improvements and new members to the Special Trustee Advi- States Code, governing the appointments in equipment of the White River Oil Shale sory Board. the competitive service, for such period of Mine. SEC. 134. The Secretary of the Interior may time as the Secretary determines necessary: SEC. 124. The Secretary of the Interior may use discretionary funds to pay private attor- Provided, That the basic pay of an Indian use or contract for the use of helicopters or neys fees and costs for employees and former probate judge so appointed may be fixed by motor vehicles on the Sheldon and Hart Na- employees of the Department of the Interior the Secretary without regard to the provi- tional Wildlife Refuges for the purpose of reasonably incurred in connection with sions of chapter 51, and subchapter III of capturing and transporting horses and bur- Cobell v. Norton to the extent that such fees chapter 53 of title 5, United States Code, gov- ros. The provisions of subsection (a) of the and costs are not paid by the Department of

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Justice or by private insurance. In no case (c) VACANCIES.—A vacancy in the Commis- (A) Living standards in Indian country, in- shall the Secretary make payments under sion shall be filled in the manner in which cluding health, infrastructure, economic de- this section that would result in payment of the original appointment was made. velopment, educational opportunities, and hourly fees in excess of the highest hourly (d) QUORUM.—A majority of the members of housing. rate approved by the District Court for the the Commission shall constitute a quorum (B) The effectiveness of current Federal District of Columbia for counsel in Cobell v. but a lesser number may hold hearings. programs designed to improve living stand- Norton. (e) CHAIRPERSON.—The Chairperson of the ards in Indian country, including health, in- SEC. 135. Section 124(a) of the Department Commission shall be elected by the members frastructure, economic development, edu- of the Interior and Related Agencies Appro- of the Commission. The term of office of the cational opportunities, and housing. priation Act, 1997 (16 U.S.C. 1011 (a)), as Chairperson shall be for the life of the Com- (C) Crime control on Indian reservations. amended, is further amended by inserting mission. (D) The influence of non-Native American (f) BASIC PAY.— after the phrase ‘‘appropriations made for private investors on the Indian Federal rec- (1) COMPENSATION OF MEMBERS.—Each the Bureau of Land Management’’ the phrase ognition process. member of the Commission who is not an of- ‘‘including appropriations for the Wildland (E) The influence of non-Native American ficer or employee of the Federal Govern- Fire Management account allocated to the private investors on the establishment and National Park Service, Fish and Wildlife ment, or whose compensation is not pre- operation Indian gaming facilities. Service, and Bureau of Indian Affairs’’. cluded by a State, local, or Native American (F) The influence of organized crime on In- SEC. 136. Public Law 107–106 is amended as tribal government position, shall be com- dian gaming. follows: in section 5(a) strike ‘‘9 months pensated at a rate equal to the daily equiva- (G) The impact of Indian gaming facilities after the date of enactment of the Act’’ and lent of the annual rate of basic pay pre- on local communities, including the impact insert in lieu thereof ‘‘September 30, 2003’’. scribed for Level IV of the Executive Sched- on economic, environmental, and social SEC. 137. Notwithstanding any other provi- ule under section 5315 of title 5, United issues. sion of law, the funds provided in the Labor, States Code, for each day (including travel (2) REPORT.—Not later than 6 months after Health and Human Services, Education and time) during which such member is engaged completion of the study required by para- Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2002, in the performance of the duties of the Com- graph (1), the Commission shall submit to Public Law 107–116, for the National Museum mission. All members of the Commission Congress a report containing a detailed of African American History and Culture who are officers or employees of the United statement of the findings and conclusions of Plan for Action Presidential Commission States shall serve without compensation in the Commission, together with its legisla- shall remain available until expended. addition to that received for their services as SEC. 138. Activities of the Restoration, Co- tive recommendations for improving— officers or employees of the United States. ordination and Verification team, as de- (A) the welfare of Native Americans, in- (2) TRAVEL EXPENSES.—The members of the scribed in the final feasibility report and cluding health infrastructure, economic de- Commission shall be allowed travel expenses, programmatic environmental impact state- velopment, educational opportunities, and including per diem in lieu of subsistence, at ment for the comprehensive review of the housing; rates authorized for employees of agencies Central and Southern Florida project, shall (B) the relationship between tribal entities under subchapter I of chapter 57 of title 5, be directed jointly by the Secretary of the and nontribal communities that live in the United States Code, while away from their Army, the Secretary of the Interior, and the same area as tribal entities or Indian gaming homes or regular places of business in the South Florida Water Management District. facilities; and performance of service for the Commission. SEC. 139. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (C) regulations that govern tribal gaming (g) HEARINGS AND SESSIONS.— shall, in carrying out its responsibilities to to reduce the potential for crime and exploi- protect threatened and endangered species of (1) IN GENERAL.—The Commission may, for the purpose of carrying out its duties, hold tation of Indians and Indian tribes. salmon, implement a system of mass mark- (n) TERMINATION.—The Commission shall hearings, sit and act at times and places, ing of salmonid stocks released from Feder- terminate 30 days after submitting its final take testimony, and receive evidence as the ally operated or Federally financed hatch- report pursuant to this section. Commission considers appropriate. The Com- eries including but not limited to fish re- (o) FUNDING.—Of the amount appropriated mission may administer oaths or affirma- leases of the coho, chinook, and steelhead in this Act for ‘‘BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS— tions to witnesses appearing before it. species. The requirements of this section OPERATION OF INDIAN PROGRAMS’’, $200,000 (2) WITNESS EXPENSES.—Witnesses re- shall not be applicable when the hatchery shall be available to carry out this section. fish are produced for conservation purposes. quested to appear before the Commission The CHAIRMAN. Are there any shall be paid the same fees as are paid to wit- SEC. 140. The visitor center at the Bitter points of order to title I? Lake National Wildlife Refuge in New Mex- nesses under section 1821 of title 28, United ico shall be named for Joseph R. Skeen and, States Code. The per diem and mileage al- POINT OF ORDER hereafter, shall be referred to in any law, lowances for witnesses shall be paid from Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Chairman, I make document, or record of the United States as funds appropriated to the Commission. a point of order against the language the ‘‘Joseph R. Skeen Visitor Center’’. (h) POWERS OF MEMBERS AND AGENTS.—Any contained in section 138 of the bill. SEC. 141. COMMISSION ON NATIVE AMERICAN member or agent of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any ac- This section, on page 68 of the bill, re- POLICY. quiring the Army Corps of Engineers (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—Hereafter, there is es- tion which the Commission is authorized to tablished a commission to be known as the take by this section. and the Department of Interior to ‘‘Commission on Native American Policy’’ (i) OBTAINING OFFICIAL DATA.—The Com- jointly manage the central and south- (in this section referred to as the ‘‘Commis- mission may secure directly from any de- ern Florida remediation project with- sion’’). partment or agency of the United States in- out delay, constitutes legislation on an (b) MEMBERSHIP.—The Commission shall be formation necessary to enable it to carry out its duties. Upon request of the Chairperson appropriations bill in violation of composed of 13 members appointed for the clause 2(b) of rule XXI of the rules of life of the Commission by the President as of the Commission, the head of that depart- follows: ment or agency shall furnish that informa- the House of Representatives. (1) A representative from the National tion to the Commission. The CHAIRMAN. Does any Member Governors’ Association. (j) MAILS.—The Commission may use the wish to be heard on the point of order? United States mails in the same manner and (2) A representative from the National As- Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I do. under the same conditions as other depart- sociation of Attorneys General. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman ments and agencies of the United States. (3) The Attorney General, or a designee. from New Mexico is recognized. (k) ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT SERVICES.— (4) The Secretary of the Treasury, or a des- Upon the request of the Commission, the Ad- Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I concede ignee. ministrator of General Services shall provide the point of order. (5) The Secretary of the Interior, or a des- to the Commission, on a reimbursable basis, The CHAIRMAN. The point of order ignee. the administrative support services nec- is conceded and sustained. The lan- (6) The Secretary of Commerce, or a des- essary for the Commission to carry out its guage is stricken. ignee. duties. POINT OF ORDER (7) The Chairman of the National Indian (l) CONTRACT AUTHORITY.—To the extent or Gaming Commission, or a designee. in the amounts provided in advance in appro- Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Chairman, I make (8) 2 representatives from Indian tribes priation Acts, the Commission may contract a point of order against the language that operate Indian gaming facilities. with and compensate government and pri- contained at pages 29–30 of the bill. (9) 2 representatives from Indian tribes vate agencies or persons for services, with- This language, starting with the word that do not operate Indian gaming facilities. out regard to section 3709 of the Revised ‘‘provided’’ at page 29, line 22, through (10) 1 representative from a unit of local Statutes (41 U.S.C. 5). line 11 at page 30, requiring the Army government that is located near an Indian (m) STUDY; REPORT.— gaming facility. (1) STUDY.—Not later than 18 months after Corps of Engineers to implement so- (11) 1 representative from the chamber of funds are first made available for this sec- called alternative 6D without further commerce of a unit of local government that tion, the Commission shall complete a study delay, constitutes legislation on an ap- is located near an Indian gaming facility. on the following: propriations bill in violation of clause

VerDate jun 06 2002 04:18 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00084 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\A16JY7.044 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 July 16, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H4761 2(b) of rule XXI of the rules of the no problem taking care of the gentle- NAYS—210 House of Representatives. man’s concern. Aderholt Gillmor Pence Akin Gilman Peterson (PA) The CHAIRMAN. Does any Member MOTION TO RISE OFFERED BY MR. DICKS wish to be heard on the point of order? Armey Goode Petri Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I move Bachus Goodlatte Pickering Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I do. that the Committee do now rise. Ballenger Goss Pitts The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman Barr Graham Platts from New Mexico is recognized. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on Bartlett Granger Pombo the motion offered by the gentleman Barton Graves Portman Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I concede Bass Green (WI) Pryce (OH) from Washington (Mr. DICKS). the point of order. Bereuter Greenwood Putnam The CHAIRMAN. The point of order The question was taken; and the Biggert Grucci Quinn is conceded and sustained. The lan- Chairman announced that the ayes ap- Bilirakis Gutknecht Radanovich Boehlert Hall (TX) Ramstad guage will be stricken. peared to have it. Boehner Hansen Regula AMENDMENT OFFERED BY MR. HANSEN RECORDED VOTE Bonilla Hart Rehberg Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Chairman, I offer Bono Hastings (WA) Rogers (KY) Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Chairman, I de- Boozman Hayes Rogers (MI) an amendment. mand a recorded vote. Boswell Hayworth Rohrabacher The Clerk read as follows: A recorded vote was ordered. Brady (TX) Herger Ros-Lehtinen Brown (SC) Hilleary Royce Amendment offered by Mr. HANSEN: The vote was taken by electronic de- Bryant Hobson Ryan (WI) Page 8, line 16, after the dollar amount in- Burr Horn Ryun (KS) sert ‘‘(reduced by $1,800,000)’’. vice, and there were—ayes 209, noes 210, not voting 15, as follows: Burton Hostettler Saxton Page 15, line 1, after the dollar amount in- Buyer Houghton Schrock sert ‘‘(increased by $1,800,000)’’. [ROLL NO. 308] Callahan Hulshof Sensenbrenner Calvert Hunter Sessions Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Chairman, this YEAS—209 amendment would shift $1.8 million Camp Hyde Shadegg Abercrombie Hilliard Oberstar Cannon Isakson Shaw from Bureau of Land Management land Ackerman Hinchey Obey Cantor Issa Shays acquisition for Utah’s Grand Staircase Allen Hinojosa Olver Capito Istook Sherwood Escalante National Monument to the Andrews Hoeffel Ortiz Castle Jenkins Shimkus Chabot Johnson (CT) Shuster Fish and Wildlife Service construction Baca Hoekstra Owens Baird Holden Pallone Chambliss Johnson (IL) Simmons account. The purpose is to provide the Baker Holt Pascrell Coble Johnson, Sam Simpson final installment of $1.8 million that is Baldacci Honda Pastor Collins Keller Skeen Combest Kelly Baldwin Hooley Paul Smith (NJ) required to start construction and pro- Cooksey Kennedy (MN) Smith (TX) Barcia Hoyer Payne vide for the completion of the Bear Cox King (NY) Souder Barrett Inslee Pelosi Crane Kingston Stearns River Migratory Bird Refuge Education Becerra Israel Peterson (MN) Crenshaw Kirk Stump Center in Brigham City, Utah. Bentsen Jackson (IL) Phelps Berkley Jackson-Lee Cubin Knollenberg Sullivan This center has been previously au- Pomeroy Berman (TX) Culberson Kolbe Sununu Price (NC) thorized by the House pursuant to its Berry Jefferson Cunningham LaHood Sweeney Rahall Bishop John Davis, Jo Ann Latham Tancredo recent passage of H.R. 3322 which ap- Rangel Blumenauer Johnson, E. B. Davis, Tom LaTourette Tauzin proved the project for a total of $11 Reyes Borski Jones (NC) Deal Leach Taylor (NC) million. This $1.8 million provides the Boyd Jones (OH) Rivers DeLay Lewis (CA) Terry last and final installment which allows Brady (PA) Kanjorski Rodriguez DeMint Lewis (KY) Thomas Brown (FL) Kaptur Roemer Diaz-Balart Linder Thornberry the project to move forward to comple- Ross tion. Brown (OH) Kennedy (RI) Doolittle LoBiondo Thune Capps Kerns Rothman Dreier Lucas (OK) Tiahrt According to the Congressional Budg- Capuano Kildee Roybal-Allard Duncan Manzullo Tiberi et Office, and this is the important Cardin Kilpatrick Rush Dunn McCrery Toomey part, this amendment is revenue-neu- Carson (IN) Kind (WI) Sanchez Ehlers McHugh Upton Carson (OK) Kleczka Sanders Ehrlich McKeon Vitter tral and does not increase outlays or Clay Kucinich Sandlin Emerson Mica Walden spending rates. This amendment does Clayton LaFalce Sawyer English Miller, Dan Walsh not affect projects in any other State. Clement Lampson Schaffer Everett Miller, Gary Wamp Mr. SKEEN. Mr. Chairman, I have Clyburn Langevin Schakowsky Ferguson Miller, Jeff Watkins (OK) Condit Lantos Schiff Flake Moran (KS) Watts (OK) seen the amendment by the gentleman Conyers Larsen (WA) Scott Fletcher Morella Weldon (FL) from Utah and the chairman of the Costello Larson (CT) Serrano Foley Myrick Weldon (PA) House Committee on Resources and my Coyne Lee Sherman Forbes Nethercutt Weller Cramer Levin Shows Fossella Northup Whitfield good friend. I note that it moves Crowley Lewis (GA) Skelton Frelinghuysen Norwood Wicker money from one project in Utah to an- Cummings Lipinski Slaughter Gallegly Nussle Wilson (NM) other, and as such, I have no objection. Davis (CA) Lofgren Smith (MI) Ganske Osborne Wilson (SC) Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I move to Davis (FL) Lowey Smith (WA) Gekas Ose Wolf Davis (IL) Lucas (KY) Snyder Gibbons Otter Young (AK) strike the last word. DeFazio Luther Solis Gilchrest Oxley Young (FL) Mr. Chairman, I would just say that DeGette Lynch Spratt NOT VOTING—15 I hope that the gentleman will make Delahunt Maloney (CT) Stark DeLauro Maloney (NY) Stenholm Blagojevich Hastings (FL) Reynolds certain that the commitments that Blunt Mascara Riley Deutsch Markey Strickland were made about matching funds are Bonior Moran (VA) Roukema Dicks Matheson Stupak Boucher Nadler Sabo made and kept on this project. From Dingell Matsui Tanner Doggett McCarthy (MO) Dooley Ney Traficant the majority staff, we have been told Tauscher Doyle McCarthy (NY) Taylor (MS) that there has been a question about Edwards McCollum b 2319 Thompson (CA) that, but if the gentleman has assured Engel McDermott Thompson (MS) Messrs. SULLIVAN, NORWOOD, GIL- Eshoo McGovern me that those questions will be an- Thurman Etheridge McInnis MAN, SMITH of Texas, BURTON of In- swered affirmatively and positively Evans McIntyre Tierney diana, COLLINS, HYDE, ADERHOLT, with his personal commitment, I will Farr McKinney Towns FLAKE, WHITFIELD, HOUGHTON, have not have any objection to the Fattah McNulty Turner Udall (CO) SAM JOHNSON of Texas, HORN, and project. Filner Meehan Ford Meek (FL) Udall (NM) Mrs. MYRICK changed their vote from Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Chairman, will the Frank Meeks (NY) Velazquez ‘‘aye’’ to ‘‘no.’’ gentleman yield? Frost Menendez Visclosky Mr. BARCIA changed his vote from Waters Mr. DICKS. I yield to the gentleman Gephardt Millender- ‘‘no’’ to ‘‘aye.’’ Gonzalez McDonald Watson (CA) from Utah. Gordon Miller, George Watt (NC) So the motion to rise was rejected. Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Chairman, I would Green (TX) Mink Waxman The result of the vote was announced be happy to make that commitment to Gutierrez Mollohan Weiner as above recorded. the gentleman. I was personally in- Hall (OH) Moore Wexler The CHAIRMAN. The question is on Harman Murtha Woolsey volved in some of the fundraisers that Hefley Napolitano Wu the amendment offered by the gen- have been involved in this, and I have Hill Neal Wynn tleman from Utah (Mr. HANSEN).

VerDate jun 06 2002 04:18 Jul 17, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00085 Fmt 4634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K16JY7.200 pfrm15 PsN: H16PT1 H4762 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE July 16, 2002 The amendment was agreed to. and country as a member of the North The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chair- Carolina National Guard, rising to the previous order of the House, the gen- man, I move that the Committee do rank of first lieutenant. tleman from Mississippi (Mr. SHOWS) is now rise. Sam stepped down from his official recognized for 5 minutes. The motion was agreed to. role with the Raeford News Journal (Mr. SHOWS addressed the House. Accordingly, the Committee rose; back in 1982, but kept up his weekly His remarks will appear hereafter in and the Speaker pro tempore (Mr. column until the very end. His column, the Extensions of Remarks.) THORNBERRY) having assumed the ‘‘Around Town,’’ focused on people, so- f chair, Mr. SIMPSON, Chairman of the cial events, weather, politics, and any- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a Committee of the Whole House on the thing else that caught Sam’s eye. The previous order of the House, the gen- State of the Union, reported that that column was a widely read and widely tleman from Maryland (Mr. WYNN) is Committee, having had under consider- respected one in Hoke County. As a recognized for 5 minutes. ation the bill (H.R. 5093) making appro- matter of fact, I would gladly trade a (Mr. WYNN addressed the House. His priations for the Department of the In- week of national TV interviews for one remarks will appear hereafter in the terior and related agencies for the fis- good mention in Sam’s column. Extensions of Remarks.) cal year ending September 30, 2003, and Sam had a reputation for always for other purposes, had come to no res- doing the right thing in all of his pur- f olution thereon. suits in life. His time at the newspaper b 2330 f was no different. He was a stickler for accuracy and doing the right thing dur- The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. JEFF SPECIAL ORDERS ing his newspaper career. MILLER of Florida). Under a pre- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under I am going to miss Sam. I know that vious order of the House, the gen- the Speaker’s announced policy of Jan- Hoke County is going to miss Sam and tlewoman from Florida (Ms. BROWN) uary 3, 2001, and under a previous order miss reading his weekly insights. He is is recognized for 5 minutes. of the House, the following Members survived by his loving wife, Mary Alice; (Ms. BROWN of Florida addressed the will be recognized for 5 minutes each. son, John Arthur Morris of New Bern; House. Her remarks will appear here- daughter, Sarah Morris Moore of Vir- f after in the Extensions of Remarks.) ginia Beach; and four grandchildren. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a My heartfelt condolences go out to his f previous order of the House, the gentle- family for their loss and the commu- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a woman from Florida (Mrs. THURMAN) is nity’s loss. previous order of the House, the gen- recognized for 5 minutes. While his presence in Hoke County tleman from California (Mr. SCHIFF) is (Mrs. THURMAN addressed the will be missed, his legacy will remain recognized for 5 minutes. House. Her remarks will appear here- with us forever. (Mr. SCHIFF addressed the House. after in the Extensions of Remarks.) His remarks will appear hereafter in f the Extensions of Remarks.) f The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gen- f previous order of the House, the gen- tleman from Oregon (Mr. DEFAZIO) is The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a tleman from Indiana (Mr. BURTON) is recognized for 5 minutes. previous order of the House, the gentle- recognized for 5 minutes. (Mr. DEFAZIO addressed the House. woman from Hawaii (Mrs. MINK) is rec- (Mr. BURTON of Indiana addressed His remarks will appear hereafter in ognized for 5 minutes. the House. His remarks will appear the Extensions of Remarks.) (Mrs. MINK of Hawaii addressed the hereafter in the Extensions of Re- House. Her remarks will appear here- f marks.) after in the Extensions of Remarks.) The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a f previous order of the House, the gen- f The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a tleman from California (Mr. GEORGE LEAVE OF ABSENCE previous order of the House, the gen- MILLER) is recognized for 5 minutes. tleman from Ohio (Mr. BROWN) is rec- (Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California By unanimous consent, leave of ab- ognized for 5 minutes. addressed the House. His remarks will sence was granted to: (Mr. BROWN of Ohio addressed the appear hereafter in the Extensions of Mr. MASCARA (at the request of Mr. House. His remarks will appear here- Remarks.) GEPHARDT) for today on account of per- after in the Extensions of Remarks.) sonal reasons. f Mr. NADLER (at the request of Mr. f The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a GEPHARDT) for today on account of per- HONORING SAM MORRIS previous order of the House, the gen- sonal reasons. tleman from New Mexico (Mr. UDALL) Mrs. ROUKEMA (at the request of Mr. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a is recognized for 5 minutes. previous order of the House, the gen- ARMEY) for July 15 and today until 2:00 (Mr. UDALL of New Mexico ad- p.m. on account of illness. tleman from North Carolina (Mr. dressed the House. His remarks will ap- HAYES) is recognized for 5 minutes. pear hereafter in the Extensions of Re- f Mr. HAYES. Mr. Speaker, 2 weeks marks.) ago the 8th Congressional District of SPECIAL ORDERS GRANTED North Carolina lost one of its treas- f By unanimous consent, permission to ures. Sam Morris was the epitome of a The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a address the House, following the legis- newspaperman who cared deeply about previous order of the House, the gen- lative program and any special orders his community, the City of Raeford in tleman from Illinois (Mr. RUSH) is rec- heretofore entered, was granted to: Hoke County, North Carolina. Sadly, ognized for 5 minutes. The following Members (at the re- my friend, Sam Morris, recently passed (Mr. RUSH addressed the House. His quest of Ms. BALDWIN) to revise and ex- away. remarks will appear hereafter in the tend their remarks and include extra- Sam played a number of roles in his Extensions of Remarks.) neous material: community. He was a respected histo- f Mrs. THURMAN, for 5 minutes, today. rian, long time newspaperman, promi- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a Mr. BROWN of Ohio, for 5 minutes, nent civic and political leader, and a previous order of the House, the gentle- today. leader in the Raeford Presbyterian woman from Ohio (Ms. KAPTUR) is rec- Mr. DEFAZIO, for 5 minutes, today. Church. Sam was the former general ognized for 5 minutes. Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California, for manager of the Dickson Press, and a (Ms. KAPTUR addressed the House. 5 minutes, today. former Raeford City councilman. Addi- Her remarks will appear hereafter in Mr. UDALL of New Mexico, for 5 min- tionally, Sam proudly served his State the Extension of Remarks.) utes, today.

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