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Seanad Éireann Vol. 276 Friday, No. 7 28 May 2021 DÍOSPÓIREACHTAÍ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES SEANAD ÉIREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIÚIL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Insert Date Here 28/05/2021A00050Teachtaireachtaí ón Dáil - Messages from Dáil � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 522 28/05/2021B00125Gnó an tSeanaid - Business of Seanad � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 522 28/05/2021B00200Affordable Housing Bill 2021: Committee Stage � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 523 28/05/2021GGGG00100Search and Rescue System: Motion � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 582 SEANAD ÉIREANN Dé hAoine, 28 Bealtaine 2021 Friday, 28 May 2021 Chuaigh an Cathaoirleach i gceannas ar 9�30 a�m� Machnamh agus Paidir. Reflection and Prayer. 28/05/2021A00050Teachtaireachtaí ón Dáil - Messages from Dáil 28/05/2021B00100An Cathaoirleach: Dáil Éireann has passed the Gender Pay Gap Information Bill 2019 on 19 May 2021, to which the agreement of Seanad Éireann is desired� Dáil Éireann has passed the Counterfeiting Bill 2020 on 19 May 2021, to which the agreement of Seanad Éireann is desired� Dáil Éireann has passed, on 26 May 2021, the Criminal Justice (Perjury and Related Offences) Bill 2018, changed from the Perjury and Related Offences Bill 2018, considered by virtue of Article 22�2 of the Constitution, as a Bill initiated in Dáil Éireann, to which the agreement of Seanad Éireann is desired. Dáil Éireann has passed the Public Service Pay Bill 2020 on 26 May 2021, to which the agreement of Seanad Éireann is desired� 28/05/2021B00125Gnó an tSeanaid - Business of Seanad 28/05/2021B00150An Cathaoirleach: Before we begin consideration of the legislation before us today, we will mark the national day of one of our EU colleagues. Italy’s Republic Day marks when the establishment of the Republic of Italy in 1946 is celebrated. The Irish and the Italians have a history of immigration and are known as builders of nations, particularly in the United States of America. Migration between our two nations has been going on for thousands of years. Irish monks led by St. Columbanus founded a monastery in Bobbio, near Genoa, in the 7th century. There is a strong Italian-Irish community here, dating back to the late 19th century and early 20th century. They still have strong links to their ancestral homeland near Valle Camino in the Frosinone province near Rome. We all have enjoyed the fish and chips which they gifted us. There are approximately 11,000 Italians living in Ireland, working in the hospitality, financial services and technology sectors. This year, Italy marks the 700th anniversary of the death of the father of the Italian lan- guage, Dante, who was one of the giants of world literature and culture and who is famous for 522 28 May 2021 The Divine Comedy. I would like to wish Ambassador Serpi and the Italians living in Ireland and around the world a happy Republic Day. Buona festa della Repubblica� 28/05/2021B00200Affordable Housing Bill 2021: Committee Stage 28/05/2021B00300An Cathaoirleach: The Minister of State, Deputy Peter Burke, is most welcome to Seanad Éireann this morning for Committee Stage of the Affordable Housing Bill 2021. I ask the Leas- Chathaoirleach to now take over. 28/05/2021B00400An Leas-Chathaoirleach: I welcome to the Minister of State� I congratulate the Cathao- irleach on his lovely Kerry Italian. As the Cathaoirleach said, we are on Committee Stage of the Affordable Housing Bill 2021. Sections 1 and 2 agreed to� SECTION 3 28/05/2021B00700Senator Rebecca Moynihan: I move amendment No. 1: In page 6, to delete lines 28 to 33 and substitute the following: “(3) Where regulations under this Act are proposed to be made, a draft of the regula- tions shall be laid before each House of the Oireachtas and the regulations shall not be made until a resolution approving the draft has been passed by each such House.”. The amendment is fairly self-explanatory. It is that the regulations that will back up the parts of the Affordable Housing Bill 2021 will be laid before the Oireachtas and that a draft will be passed by a resolution of both of the Houses. I do not think I need to speak to it more, but I am pressing it� 28/05/2021B00800An Leas-Chathaoirleach: I thank Senator Moynihan� I call on Senator Boyhan� 28/05/2021B00900Senator Victor Boyhan: I welcome the Minister of State to the House� Before proceeding to talk briefly about Senator Moynihan’s amendment, I wish to thank the Bills Office. What an enormous task it has and it is under enormous pressure� If one looks at the legislation coming through both Houses and, in particular, how we will have to turn this legislation around for next week, I wish to acknowledge the enormous work of that office and the time pressures it is under. This is important legislation and I am not going to dwell� It is important that we get through this business as quickly as we can. We all know the importance of affordable housing. I en- dorse Senator Moynihan’s proposal� It is an important one and it is important that we in these Houses are continually vigilant and aware of what is going on in relation to this legislation. 28/05/2021C00300Senator Alice-Mary Higgins: I welcome the Minister of State to the House� I wish to indicate support for this amendment. It is really important because, if we think back to the debates we have had on housing over the last five years, we know that points often have been made on the floor about concerns, about what might happen and about unintended consequences or sometimes even forewarned consequences to specific aspects of the policies. 523 Seanad Éireann We have seen that things have to get changed and tweaked. We have seen that loopholes can be exploited. We have seen that measures do not have the impact that we was hoped for at the time they were brought in. Having these regulations laid before the Houses gives the Minister of State and the Government the opportunity to get those different perspectives from people across the House, in terms of the possible implications of the regulations. There is quite a lot within this Bill that is not in the primary legislation but which will be given to the Minister to put into effect. There is a lot of nuance there. Given that and given that we want to avoid the time lags in the shifts of policy that we have seen on housing, whereby we actually are getting things right earlier, it would be a really good idea to accept this amendment. 28/05/2021C00500Senator Ivana Bacik: I welcome the Minister of State to the House and support the amend- ment tabled by my Labour Party colleague, Senator Moynihan. It essentially is providing for an extra layer of Oireachtas scrutiny over measures adopted and the regulations proposed to be made under the Act� As Senator Boyhan has said, I also commend the Bills Office on turning this around so quickly. We all appreciate the huge importance of this legislation and of any measures to ex- pedite the provision of affordable housing. All Members are aware of huge importance of the housing issue currently, of the serious concerns across communities all over Ireland about the lack of availability of affordable housing and the lack of supply, in particular. I should say that in my constituency of Dublin Bay South yesterday, I met residents from Irishtown and Ringsend. We met just beside the Irish Glass Bottle site, which is a site that has been mired in difficulty. It should have by now been able to provide a significant number of- af fordable and social houses and apartments, alongside other houses and apartments. Yet, we see this massive proposed development stalled over a period of years, real problems of consultation with local residents and real concerns about the linkage of affordability to market value rather than to income� Senator Moynihan has spoken powerfully about our conception of affordability and how that needs to change. I heard huge concerns from residents about the lack of provision for apartments, about the issues around management fees, around the setting of rents but in particu- lar, about the failure to provide the supply of housing for an area where it is sorely needed and where many young people are being priced out of the market or simply cannot find anywhere to live. I therefore appeal to the Minister of State to accept this important amendment to ensure that there is provision for sufficient Oireachtas scrutiny. I look forward to engaging with the Minister of State and his colleagues on other provisions of this important Bill during the course of the day� 28/05/2021C00700Senator Fintan Warfield: I welcome the Minister of State to the House� I understand that the Minister for Housing, Local Government and Heritage, Deputy Darragh O’Brien, has informed the House that he will be here at some point today. I also look forward to that but in the meantime, I welcome the Minister of State and look forward to positive engagement with him. Good ideas come from this side of the House. We have tabled 106 amendments today, which shows the genuine interest that we show in this Bill. I want to add my voice in respect of amendment No. 3, in terms of removing an open market dwelling from Part 2. The phrase “open market dwelling” means that the affordable housing scheme could be used to help people purchase homes at massively inflated prices. A couple, friends of mine who have no children 524 28 May 2021 and a good mortgage have made an offer on a house in Inchicore. It is what we might call a Sims house and is typical of the many houses one would see in Cabra, Drimnagh, Inchicore or Crumlin.
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