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Debates Proceedings {Hansard) First Session - Thirty-Fourth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS {HANSARD) 37 Elizabeth 11 Published under the authorityof The Honourable DenisC. Rocan Speaker VOL. XXXVII No. 10 - 1:30 p.m., THURSDAY, AUGUST 4, 1988. MG-8048 ISSN 0542-5492 Printed by the Office of the Queens Printer, Province of Manitoba MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Fourth Legislature Members, Constituencies and Political Affiliation NAME CONSTITUENCY PARTY ALCOCK, Reg Osborne LIBERAL ANGUS, John St. Norbert LIBERAL ASHTON, Sieve Thompson NDP BURRELL, Parker Swan River PC CARR, James Fort Rouge LIBERAL CARSTAIRS, Sharon River Heights LIBERAL CHARLES, Gwen Selkirk LIBERAL CHEEMA, Gulzar Kildonan LIBERAL CHORNOPYSKI, William Burrows LIBERAL CONNERY, Edward Hon. Portage la Prairie PC COWAN, Jay Churchill NDP CUMMINGS, Glen, Hon. Ste. Rose du Lac PC DERKACH, Leonard, Hon. Roblin-Russell PC DOER, Gary Concordia NDP DOWNEY,James Hon. Arthur PC DRIEDGER, Albert, Hon. Emerson PC DRIEDGER, Herold, L. Niakwa LIBERAL DUCHARME, Gerald, Hon. Riel PC EDWARDS, Paul St. James LIBERAL ENNS, Harry Lakeside PC ERNST, Jim, Hon. Charleswood PC EVANS, Laurie Fort Garry LIBERAL EVANS, Leonard Brandon East NDP FILMON, Gary, Hon. Tu xedo PC FINDLAY, Glen Hon. Virden PC GAUDRY,Neil St. Boniface LIBERAL GILLESHAMMER, Harold Minnedosa PC GRAY, Avis Ellice LIBERAL HAMMOND, Gerrie Kirkfield Park PC HARAPIAK, Harry The Pas NDP HARPER, Elijah Rupertsland NDP HELWER, Edward R. Gimli PC HEMPHILL, Maureen Logan NDP KOZAK, Richard, J. Transcona LIBERAL LAMOUREUX, Kevin, M. lnkster LIBERAL MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MANDRAKE, Ed Assiniboia LIBERAL MANNESS, Clayton, Hon. Morris PC McCRAE, James Hon. Brandon West PC MINENKO, Mark Seven Oaks LIBERAL MITCHELSON, Bonnie, Hon. River East PC NEUFELD, Harold, Hon. Rossmere PC OLESON, Charlotte Hon. Gladstone PC ORCHARD, Donald Hon. Pembina PC PANKRATZ, Helmut La Verendrye PC PATTERSON, Allan Radisson LIBERAL PENNER, Jack, Hon. Rhineland PC PLOHMAN, John Dauphin NDP PRAZNIK, Darren Lac du Bonnet PC ROCAN, Denis, Hon. Tu rtle Mountain PC ROCH, Gilles Springfield PC ROSE, Bob St. Vital LIBERAL STORIE, Jerry Flin Flon NDP TAYLOR, Harold Wolseley LIBERAL URUSKI, Bill lnterlake NDP WASYLYCIA-LEIS, Judy St. Johns NDP YEO, lva Sturgeon Creek LIBERAL LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Thursday, August 4, 1988. The House met at 1:30 p.m. has served the consumers of this province and industry in this province for decades with distinction, with reliable PR AYERS service, an entity which I believe and many Manitobans believe has the potential to not only continue to provide ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS Manitobans with stability in terms of energy supply, but also has the potential of being an engine for economic MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS growth, economic diversification in this province. AND TA BLING OF REPORTS This particular legislation is introduced by the New Hon. James Downey (Minister responsible for The Democratic Party and myself because of our deep, Manitoba Natural Resources Development Act): Mr. abiding and sincere concern over the implications of Speaker, I would like to table the report of Channel the Free Trade Agreement. The Minister of Energy (Mr. Neufeld) is in possession of a report from his own Area Loggers for 1986-87. department which would tell Manitobans and Canadians that if the Free Trade Agreement had been a reality in Hon. Leonard Derkach (Minister of Education): Mr. the years in which Canada enjoyed a two-price energy Speaker, I would like to table the report for the Teachers' system, consumers would have been charged an extra Retirement Allowances Fund Board ending December $50 billion plus -(Interjection)- $50 billion more for their 31, 1987. energy. That, in and of itself, is justification for this Bill. I would also like to table the Annual Financial Report However, I believe that the justification for this Bill for Brandon University for the year ended March 31, also lies in the fact that constitutionally Manitoba has 1987. the statutory obligation, the constitutional obligation to manage Hydro in a way which befits Manitobans, In addition, I would also like to table the Public not the federal Government, not other entities, not the Schools Finance Board Annual Report ended March United States of America. 31, 1987. This particular legislation proposes to do four Mr. Speaker: Honourable Members, pursuant to separate things. First, it makes clear to all that the Section99 (1) of The Election Finances Act, I am pleased conditions of sale of electric power to the United States to table Part 1 of the annual report relating to that will be established by the Manitoba Government The Act criteria for those sales will be established by the Lieutenant-Governor-in-Council. We believe that the Hon. James McCrae (Attorney-General): Mr. Speaker, question of surplus for the use of Manitobans and other I am tabling today one copy of the roll of statutes to Canadians is important, and we intend to enshrine the right of Manitoba Hydro to make those decisions. We be re-enacted by Bill No. 4, The Re-enacted Statutes believe that Manitobans and Canadians need to have of Manitoba, 1988, Act. That roll is in fact the large the assurance that their interests in energy will be three-ring binder that the Clerk already has on the protected first, not last. I want to make it clear that Ta ble. Manitoba maintains jurisdiction over Manitoba Hydro, Mr. Speaker, I wish also to table the schedule to Bill notwithstanding the Free Trade Agreement, and that, No. 5, The Statute Re-enactment Act, 1988. lt is the notwithstanding the Free Trade Agreement, we can use smaller tartan binder that is already on the Ta ble. 1 Manitoba Hydro for the development of our economy wish to thank all Parties and the Clerk for their in the Province of Manitoba at our discretion. cooperation. Mr. Speaker: I would like to remind all Honourable Members that Rule 85 in our Rules states quite clearly • (1335) that the Honourable Member is given an opportunity to explain a little bit about the Bill, with its introduction, INTRODUCTION OF BILLS as would enable the House to better understand the purpose of the Bill. Mr. Jerry Storie (Fiin Flon) introduced, by leave, Bill No. 13, The Manitoba Hydro Amendment Act; Loi QUESTION put, MOTION carried. modifiant la Loi sur I'Hydro-Manitoba. • (1340) MOTION presented. ORAL QUESTION PERIOD Mr. Storie: As is customary, I would like to introduce Respite Care - Funding this piece of legislation. I would like to say at the outset that I am particularly Mrs. Sharon Carstairs (Leader of the Opposition): proud as a Northerner and as one of many Manitobans My question is to the First Minister (Mr. Filmon). who view Manitoba Hydro as an important sovereign Whenever To ry Governments take power in the entity within the Province of Manitoba, an entity which Province of Manitoba, Manitobans worry. They worry 296 Thursday, August 4, 1988 about the level of social services, especially to those respite care above and beyond the $500,000 allotted who are handicapped, to those who are particularly to this particular department? vulnerable, and indeed to our seniors. These fears are legitimate. We now know, for example, that the respite * (1345) care program has been severely restricted. As a result, no new cases are being accepted and waiting lists are Mr. Filmon: The Leader of the Opposition should know being established. full well-she has been here for two years-that we have not yet released our Estimates of Expenditure for I ask the First Minister: Is this an indication of the the departments and that when those Estimates are approach to be taken in the Budget which will be tabled released, there will be an opportunity to question the in this House on Monday next? Minister here in the Legislature, in committee, on those Estimates, to find out all the details about the allocation Hon. Gary Filmon (Premier): I want to correct a of all of the funds within her budget. As a result, she number of parts of the preamble that the Leader of will then know the amount of funds that have been the Opposition (Mrs. Carstairs) put on the record. allocated for that respite care program and she will Firstly, she has put forth a suggestion that some have an opportunity to discuss in debate whether or measures were taken as a result of a cutback or a not that is an appropriate amount. reduction in budget by this Tory administration in the But I want to repeat, for her knowledge, the assurance respite care program. I would want to say that no such cutback or no such reduction was made by this that I gave her earlier that no family will be left in a administration. So she is coming from wrong detrimental situation as a result of the fact that they information to begin with. have already spent 60 percent of the funds that had been previously allocated by the previous NDP Secondly, she has suggested that because her critic, administration, and that regional offices are priorizing the Member for Ellice(Ms. Gray)-I am surprised she the cases as they come in, and that only in rare would not let her ask the question-since she was the circumstances would a family even have to wait- one who went to the media and raised the issue, I am surprised that she would not have let her do it because Mr. Speaker: Order, please. The Honourable Leader she may have been better informed on it. of the Opposition (Mrs. Carstairs). The Member for Ellice, for instance, might have been Mr. Filmon: -for respite care. Those are the informed-1 do not know if she is, but certainly the Leader of the Opposition is not-that there was a follow­ assurances that I know she will be interested in hearing.
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