S 9832 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE July 13, 1995 Yes, let us have regulatory reform, is unlikely from what the cadre of ad- these conditions are not met, the risk and let us do it in the right way. Let us ministration spokesman have said. to U.S. forces will be far greater than be aggressive in making sure that regu- Despite the obviousness of this colos- necessary. lations make good common sense. Let sal failure, Western leaders cling stub- Mr. President, the United Nations us get rid of silly, useless regulations, bornly to the myth that no other op- must withdraw and the arms embargo and let us get rid of the people that tions exit. must be lifted. The United States can- write those kinds of regulations. But, There are reports that the adminis- not continue to subsidize and support a at the same time, let us make sure tration is working with the allies to U.N. mission that serves largely to su- that we protect this country with rea- withdraw U.N. forces from the Eastern pervise ethnic cleansing and aggres- sonable regulations that protect our enclaves and redeploy them in central sion. The United States must exercise air, water, food safety, and more. That Bosnia and Sarajevo. In my view, this leadership and support the fundamen- ought to be the job for all of us on the would be redefining failure. tal right of self-defense. floor of this Senate. There ought not be I remind my colleagues that in the I listened last night to one of the any disagreement about it. Nor should spring of 1993, Secretary Christopher spokesmen, a White House press per- there be disagreement about whether went to Europe with the lift-and-strike son, talking about Bosnia. He said, anybody is stalling. If the majority plan and returned with the joint action ‘‘Well, we cannot afford to lift the arms party will simply allow those who be- plan. This plan was sold as the humani- embargo. That would cost us money.’’ lieve that amendments are necessary tarian option. The option that put the What does he think we are spending to this bill to be offered and debated, Bosnians’ interests first. The joint ac- now? We are spending a great deal of this bill will move, and move quickly— tion plan committed the United States, money, and we are picking up 31 per- with proper amendments. Britain, France, Russia, and the Euro- cent of the tab right now in Bosnia. But it is disingenuous, in my judg- pean Union to the protection of six Hundreds and hundreds of millions of ment, to be delaying because you do U.N.-designated safe havens and clos- dollars have been spent by the U.S. not want to vote on amendments, and ing the borders between Serbia and taxpayers. So I wish if they are going then accuse the other side of stalling. Bosnia. to trot out the press spokesmen, at That is not much of a legislative strat- There are those of us who urged the least they should have the facts correct egy and will not produce much of a re- administration not to go along with and tell the American people the truth, sult for this country. this so-called plan, who warned that and give them an accurate report of Mr. President, I yield the floor. creating giant refugee camps with what is actually happening. Mr. SIMPSON addressed the Chair. minimal defense would support Serbian I yield the floor. The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. war aims. We were ignored. f CAMPBELL). Under the previous order, I might say these suggestions came the Senator from Wyoming is recog- not just from this side but on both WAS CONGRESS IRRESPONSIBLE? nized to speak for up to 10 minutes. sides of the aisle. LOOK AT THE ARITHMETIC The administration went ahead and (The remarks of Mr. SIMPSON and Mr. Mr. HELMS. Mr. President, on that what a trade. Two years later BINGAMAN pertaining to the introduc- evening in 1972 when I learned that I Milosevic is still sending supplies and tion of S. 1029 are located in today’s had been elected to the Senate, I made troops across the border and, the RECORD under ‘‘Statements on Intro- a commitment to myself that I would Bosnians are not only defenseless, but duced Bills and Joint Resolutions.’’) never fail to see any young person, or undefended. f any group of young people, who wanted Now we are faced with a widening ca- to see me. tastrophe, but there is no longer any EXTENDING TIME FOR FILING It has proved enormously beneficial attempt to save the Bosnians—only to FIRST-DEGREE AMENDMENTS—S. to me because I have been inspired by save face. The rapid reaction force is 343 the estimated 60,000 young people with Mr. SIMPSON. Mr. President, on be- intended to save face. I believe that the United Nations whom I have visited during the nearly half of the leader, I ask unanimous must begin preparations for with- 23 years I have been in the Senate. consent that, notwithstanding the pro- Most of them have been concerned drawal immediately. I am prepared to visions of rule XXII, all Senators have about the magnitude of the Federal support the use of U.S. forces, if they until 5 p.m. today in order to file first- debt that Congress has run up for the are necessary, but under strict condi- degree amendments to the pending coming generations to pay. The young tions. Dole-Johnston substitute to S. 343, the If we have to use U.S. forces, it is people and I always discuss the fact regulatory reform bill. going to be because of a total lack of that under the U.S. Constitution, no The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without policy by the Clinton administration. President can spend a dime of Federal objection, it is so ordered. We are going to be backed into the use money that has not first been author- Mr. DOLE. Madam President, was ized and appropriated by both the leader time reserved? of U.S. forces because of a lack of clear leadership by this administration. That House and Senate of the United States. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- That is why I began making these ator is correct. should be clear to everyone. But even having said that, we have daily reports to the Senate on Feb- f some obligations and I would be willing ruary 22, 1992. I wanted to make a mat- ter of daily record of the precise size of DISASTER IN SREBRENICA to support use of U.S. forces—under strict conditions. the Federal debt which as of yesterday, Mr. DOLE. Mr. President, I had First, unified NATO command—no Wednesday, July 12, stood at hoped that the profound disaster in dual key. $4,927,810,673,266.79 or $18,706.05 for Srebrenica would have provoked a Second, robust rules of engagement every man, woman, and child in Amer- greater response from this administra- which provide for massive retaliation if ica on a per capita basis. tion than what we have seen in the last any U.S. forces are attacked. Mr. SIMPSON. Mr. President, I sug- 48 hours. Tens of thousands of Bosnians Third, all necessary measures are gest the absence of a quorum. have fled, Dutch peacekeepers are taken to protect United States and The PRESIDING OFFICER. The being held hostage, young girls are NATO personnel from likely threats— clerk will call the roll. being taken away by Bosnian Serb from any source, to include Serbia—to The legislative clerk proceeded to forces, and the two other eastern en- include the suppression of Serbian air call the roll. claves—also U.N. designated safe ha- defenses. Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, I ask vens—are under continued attack. Yet, Fourth, no risking U.S. lives to save unanimous consent that the order for instead of leadership, all the adminis- equipment. the quorum call be rescinded. tration has to offer is press spokesmen Fifth, agreement from our allies to The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without to defend this catastrophe. lift the arms embargo on Bosnia. objection, it is so ordered. The best defense would be a change The administration must know that Under the previous order, the Sen- in the present approach. However, that it will be held responsible and that if ator from Pennsylvania, [Mr. SPECTER] July 13, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 9833 is recognized to speak for up to 15 min- tion of a document which could shed We have had on the record for some utes. light on what happened at Ruby Ridge, time glaring conflicts which need to be f and this is only another step along the investigated, inquired into by the Con- way on matters which already were in gress—the disparity between Special THE RUBY RIDGE INCIDENT the public record suggesting substan- Agent Glenn, who is in charge of the Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, I have tial impropriety. FBI office in Salt Lake City, and the sought this special order for recogni- In my statement on the Senate floor account of Mr. Potts, who has since tion this morning to renew my urging on May 26, I referred to a letter from been promoted to the position of Dep- that the Senate conduct oversight FBI Special Agent Eugene Glenn, who uty Director of the FBI. hearings into the incident at Ruby was on the scene at Ruby Ridge, and As noted in this morning’s Washing- Ridge, a subject that I have spoken on who was disciplined, and Mr. Glenn had ton Post: at length on the Senate floor—on May this to say on page 6 of an extensive Last year, a Justice Department task force 9, 10, 11, 18 and 26—and on those occa- letter which he wrote to Mr. Michael sharply criticized the FBI action during the sions urged that hearings be conducted Shaheen of the Justice Department’s incident. before the August recess because of Office of Professional Responsibility: Referring to Ruby Ridge. what I view to be the urgency of the On August 22, 1992, then Assistant Director The task force concluded that the Bureau’s situation. Potts advised during a telephonic conversa- conduct ‘‘contravened the Constitution’’ and I renew that request in light of the tion with the special agent in charge that he that criminal charges should be considered release by the Federal Bureau of Inves- had approved the rules of engagement and against the responsible agents. The task tigation yesterday, and the extensive that he articulated his reasons for his ad- force report was forwarded for comment to publicity in the news media today, re- justments to the Bureau standard shooting the Justice Department’s Office of Profes- policy. porting on the suspension of a ranking sional Responsibility and the Civil Rights FBI agent involved in the Ruby Ridge At that time, I called the attention Division. Those offices in their evaluations held that no criminal conduct took place. incident, the suspension occurring of my colleagues to the fact that in my ‘‘after authorities allege that he de- personal conversation with Mr. Potts Now, Mr. President, I submit that in stroyed a document that could have al- on May 17, he said to me categorically, the context of a task force report say- tered the official account of what hap- ‘‘There was never a change in the rules ing the Constitution has been violated pened at the standoff on August 22, of engagement.’’ And Mr. Potts advised and suggesting criminal prosecution, 1992.’’ me further that there was ‘‘no author- and a disagreement within the Depart- Mr. President, it has been my judg- ization to change the deadly force pol- ment of Justice itself, that we have is ment for some considerable period of icy.’’ the quintessential circumstance where time that the Congress has been dere- Mr. President, as I have said pre- the Congress of the United States has lict in failing to have oversight hear- viously in this Chamber, I have talked oversight responsibilities. And yet we ings on very serious matters involving extensively to people who have partici- sit by idly and do nothing. Federal law enforcement operations in pated, been involved in the incident at I have said on the Senate floor that the United States, and that it is up to Ruby Ridge. I talked to Mr. Randy in my judgment Congress has been der- the Congress as a matter of congres- Weaver at some length back on May 13, elict in its duties. I think it is a matter sional oversight to make sure that 1995, and got his account of what was of nonfeasance, the failure to perform a there is accountability at all levels of truly a tragic incident which resulted positive obligation and a positive duty. the Federal Government. in the killing of a deputy U.S. marshal, And for the Congress, the Senate, the I have considered very carefully the the killing of Mr. Weaver’s young son, Judiciary Committee to continue to very heavy responsibility of law en- Sam, who was shot in the back, and the turn its back would amount to more forcement officials, the FBI, the Bu- killing of Mr. Weaver’s wife, who was than nonfeasance, perhaps misfeasance, reau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, holding their infant daughter. perhaps malfeasance. and others, agencies that I have The entire incident involving Mr. There is great unrest in America worked with extensively over my whole Weaver occurred, according to Mr. today, Mr. President, as we all know, career of public service—since I was Weaver, when he was approached by with the development of extensive mi- district attorney of Philadelphia—and agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, To- litia around the country and a vivid, have a full appreciation of the very bacco and Firearms asking if he could active distrust for what goes on in high risks that law enforcement offi- sell them sawed-off shotguns, which ap- Washington. I can understand that dis- cers at all levels undertake. But there parently he later did in a context trust in the face of what I see person- is great concern in America today where a court found it to be entrap- ally as a Member of the Senate and as about excessive Federal authority, and ment. I questioned Mr. John Magaw, a Member of the Senate Judiciary about the incidents which have oc- the Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Committee. I not only understand that curred not only at Waco but also at Tobacco and Firearms, and he conceded distrust and skepticism, but I share it Ruby Ridge. to me that there was what he called in the absence of any oversight having This is in line with the concern in borderline entrapment in the Weaver been undertaken by the Congress, the this country, which is as old as the case. Senate, and the Judiciary Committee Declaration of Independence itself, in So that you have a sequence of on these important matters. challenging the legitimacy of govern- events of Mr. Weaver living in Bound- I made an effort to hold these hear- ment. ary County, ID, right next to the Cana- ings with the Subcommittee on Terror- That brought the revolution and the dian border, really wanting to be left ism, the subcommittee which has juris- founding of the United States of Amer- alone, an incident with this issue of en- diction over these matters, and I was ica. Our history is full of challenges to trapment, and later the marshals com- thwarted in that attempt to do so. And be sure that the Bill of Rights is re- ing to the premises of the Weaver I took the highly unusual step of bring- spected. It is no coincidence that the household. And then you have an inci- ing the matter to the floor of the Sen- United States has had the longest dent, tragic, the killing of a deputy ate in a resolution calling for hearings record in world history for stable gov- U.S. marshal, two members of the Wea- on Ruby Ridge, among other things, in ernment, no coincidence that record is ver family, and then a dispute as to advance of the August 4 recess. the result of having a Bill of Rights whether the FBI acted properly under I had no doubt, Mr. President, no na- which has been meticulously enforced, the rules of engagement; and then yes- ivete that that resolution was not and one of the agencies of enforcement terday the disclosure that in fact there going to be adopted in the face of our is the constitutional prerogative and had been some indication of further standards as to prerogatives of chair- responsibility of the Congress of the wrongdoing. men, but it seemed to me sufficiently United States to conduct oversight. This is a matter, Mr. President, in serious to bring it to the floor of the Mr. President, it is a matter of the which it seems to me it is imperative Senate and to bring it to a head. utmost gravity when there are allega- that the Congress of the United States In my capacity as chairman of the tions that there has been the destruc- exercise its oversight responsibilities. Terrorism Subcommittee, I have had a