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They say you become an adult when you first age group and we’d probably all be better for it, but realize that your parents are flawed people there is something about a few wrinkles and some capable of mistakes. Others say it’s when you gray hair that tends to create an implicitly different see your parents in yourself. Regardless, these class of person than “the rest of us,” when they two milestones have one thing in common: the are, in fact, just us. realization that those older than us whom we This novel concept of seniors as everyday have long respected are, themselves, human. people is explored throughout our issue, from It’s so easy (and I fall into the trap sometimes, a story on aging seniors and the spectrum of too) to view elder adults as some form of sexuality they enjoy, to an expose on the shades “other,” as though they want different things or of difference between genuine grief and outright are fundamentally distinct from everyone else. depression. We’ll also offer some opportunities of You notice it when their desires, behaviors or activity that we as humans can enjoy as we age, inclinations are generalized, as in, “old folks drive from art to running and everything in between. slow,” “senior citizens are ruining the economy,” or I am so excited that we were able to speak with even in charitable generalizations like, “old people a star the caliber of Art Garfunkel. He is such a are so cute.” They are not a homogenous group of cool guy and I think that comes across clearly in clones who act in line with their worst—or best— this interview. And talk about aging on your own stereotypes; they are nuanced humans who have terms. I hope you’re inspired by his unflinching love and ambition and anger and frustration and candor. want wealth or peace or sex or security just like Reach out to me directly if you have any the rest of us. questions, comments or concerns. I’d love to hear I say all that to say this: let’s treat our parents your story of unique aging. As always, it’s (850) and grandparents, and people older than us of 266-2507 or [email protected]. Until next time, every stripe, as the complex humans that they are. enjoy life—you’ve earned it! The same charitable attitude could be given to any

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15 18 27 Features Living and Loving on Your Terms 24 An Exclusive Interview with Art Garfunkel 30 Departments In Every Issue 12 Philanthropy Corner 10 Advocacy 15 Summertime Adventures 36 Thank You to Our Donors at the Museum 37 News from Council on Aging Stay Connected! 18 Ranger Programs Offer Summer Fun for All Ages of West Florida 21 Is it Grief? Or is it Depression? 27 Going, Going, Goggans

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Advocacy Caring for Those who First Cared for Us by Rep. Jayer Williamson House District 3

As a son and grandson, consequences for violations. practice for services provided This historic legislation gives using telehealth, including patient I firmly believe that it is Floridians access to lower- examination, record-keeping, our duty and privilege cost safe, effective, FDA- and a prohibition on prescribing to “care for those who approved drugs from countries controlled substances for chronic first cared for us.” As a recognized for adhering to good non-malignant pain. The bill manufacturing practices. It also increases access to care mainly member of the Florida increases patient choices and for those in low-access areas of House, my colleagues allows safe and effective drugs Florida. and I supported from other countries to be sold in Florida pending federal approval. In addition to the passage bold legislation that of these critical pieces of included bills focused Also focused on increased legislation, we also passed a on improved access to accessibility to prescription $91.1 billion balanced budget prescription drugs and drugs, the Electronic Prescribing in the House that includes bill (HB 831) requires a prescriber $3.3 billion in reserves to telehealth as well as with an electronic health record prepare for any unforeseen successfully passed a system to generate and transmit future economic uncertainty. balanced budget. All all prescriptions electronically, As the only constitutionally with numerous exceptions. required mandate, your Florida of which will positively Increased electronic prescribing Legislature worked in a bipartisan impact seniors here at will prevent fraud, reduce abuse effort to fund our state's top home and around our and increase the efficiency of priorities including those of great state. health care access. particular significance to our senior community. At press One of the most groundbreaking The Telehealth bill (HB time, the 2019 state budget is pieces of legislation that 23) authorizes all types of awaiting review and approval by passed this session was the Florida-licensed health care Governor DeSantis. The Florida Prescription Drug Importation professionals to use telehealth Constitution also gives the Programs bill (HB 19). This bill to deliver health care services Governor authority to use a line- establishes two prescription within their respective scopes of item veto, which allows him to drug importation programs practice. The bill also authorizes cancel specific appropriations. (the Canadian Prescription out-of-state health care Drug Importation Program and professionals to use telehealth While we still await the the International Prescription to provide health care services to Governor's approval, it is Drug Importation Program) and Florida patients if they register essential to note that Florida's outlines the importation process, with the Department of Health Aging Network Flagship safety standards, distribution or the applicable board. The Programs, including Community requirements and regulatory bill establishes standards of Care for the Elderly (CCE),

10 Coming of Age summer 2019 SERVICES TO KEEP THEM MEALS ON WHEELS • DINING SITES IN-HOME SERVICES • CASE MANAGEMENT RESPITE • ADULT DAY CARE Home Care for the Elderly (HCE), Alzheimer's Respite Care (ADI) and COMPANIONSHIP • CAREGIVER SUPPORT Local Service Programs (LSP) will continue to receive base funding allocations. The CCE and ADI programs also saw a collective SMILING increase of over $3.9 million in recurring general revenue, and several new local funding projects were also approved.

Additionally, programs that serve our state’s most vulnerable seniors also received allocations. Those line items include $15.5 million to partially restore the $130 million Medicaid nursing home rate decrease in the final budget as well as a $2.4 million increase to serve those on the waiting list for Florida’s Public Guardianship Program.

Although this is by no means an exhaustive list of the funding and legislation that directly impacts Florida's seniors, it demonstrates the breadth of our commitment to issues you have identified as critical. I am incredibly proud of these initiatives and everything we did during the 2019 Legislative Session to help our great state. I look forward to working diligently in the future on meeting the needs (850) 432-1475 of our citizens and making Florida coawfla.org the example of how to create an environment where seniors 875 Royce St. • Pensacola, FL thrive and have access to quality healthcare. Volunteers Kathy Bixel, Joan McWaters and Lyn Hart and Volunteer Services Manager Kathy Larsen present a check to the Senior Chill Out

forward. This summer seemed to come early and with a vengeance, because our phones have been ringing with calls from desperate elder adults who deserve safety and dignity in their own homes. That safety and dignity requires air conditioning during the summer in Florida, and thanks to our amazing community, we can provide just that.” A donation to the Senior Chill Out can mean so many different things: There is one day a year that the a way to honor a parent who has Phenomenal incredible generosity and diversity passed away, a way to share one’s of the community is most evident: own blessings and bestow them Philanthropists: the Senior Chill Out. This annual onto others or even a birthday drive collects air conditioning units, present. Julia Crow has a long Senior Chill Out fans and monetary donations at five history of working with the aging Lowe’s Home Improvement stores in population. She is happy to report Donors Escambia and Santa Rosa counties that at her age, she and her best in partnership with WEAR ABC 3 to friends have most things that they By Lauren Meadors provide low-income seniors without need, which can make them difficult air conditioning some much needed to shop for. For the past two years, Every quarter we select someone assistance. Florida and dangerously she has purchased fans and an air hot summers go hand-in-hand. conditioner and taken a picture with who has made an incredible The heat can be life-threatening them to place in their birthday cards, difference in the lives of seniors and for elders, especially those with telling them that their present is the community through personally prescribed medications and health their donation. conditions that affect their body’s significant gifts and highlight “We don’t need anything, but some ability to regulate temperature. their unique story in Coming of seniors simply don’t have the money, and I can’t imagine having to suffer Age magazine. Choosing just Last year we were able to assist more than 400 seniors after in this heat,” Crow said. “This is just one person or organization often receiving 269 ACs, 286 fans and a small thing I can do to help. The proves difficult, as there are so $14,500, a new record at that time. best gift I can give them is giving to many who benefit our agency to This year’s donations blew last year others.” out of the water: 348 ACs, 463 fans Kathy Larsen, manager of the an extraordinary degree. Between and $20,674! monthly donations, major gifts, Volunteer Services Department at “Our agency was wondering if we Baptist Healthcare, has always been sponsorships and in-kind donations could ever top last year’s record- passionate about seniors. When of services and items we need to breaking donations,” said John Clark, the opportunity for her to work with serve the aging population, there are President/CEO of Council on Aging. so many senior volunteers at the hospital came up, she was thrilled, so many different types of donors “But we should have known that all you have to do is ask Pensacola, but still looks for ways to give more that come together for our mission. and our generous residents and to seniors in her role. business leaders will always step 12 Coming of Age summer 2019 “Baptist’s mission is ‘helping people through life’s journeys.’ The Volunteer PANhANdLE Artists WorkingTogether fARmINg Advisory Council chooses to give PENSACOLA’S fOOd fOr THOUgHT CO-OP GALLERIES SPRINg to Council on Aging to do just that,” fESTIvALS crAwfISH, cHOcOLATE Larsen said. “We knew we wanted to & JA zz 30A SONGWRITERSFESTIVAL BRINGING THE BEAT TO THE BEACH COME ONE, not just give back to the hospital, but to COME ALL Bare Hand Collective Creates A New Space For The Arts other seniors in the community.” Community Viva la The patient is the center of everything Erging Em LOCAL ARTISTS ALSO IN THIS ISSUE: MAY/JUN 201 that a Baptist employee does, and TO WATCH BUSINESS CLIMATE8 Artists4 +ON THE MARKET A REAL ESTATE SECTION ON THE MARKET: Vegan A REAL ESTATE SECTION ALSO IN THIS ISSUE: A Larsen believes that this includes BUSINESS CLIMATE: MEDICAL MARIJUAN serving those in the community before BallingerPublishing.com they must go to the hospital for heat- related illnesses. Many other organizations and businesses give to Council on Aging because they consider it an investment back into the community. For some, our agency helped a family member when they needed it most. Countless individuals donate and recount a time For more information, call when Council on Aging’s services impacted the life of someone they 850.438.2201 love. There are some people whom our organization helped near the beginning © 2017 Kindred at Home CSR 192475-01 of our 47-year history, and they still www.emeraldcoasthospice.com hold us in their hearts and give what they can now. As one of the people who gets to stand outside of a Lowe’s in the heat for the full day working this event, I can say without a doubt it is my warmest job duty of the year. Despite this, I spend most of the day with goosebumps as I get to listen to these beautiful stories from generous individuals. Some donated the same amount of cash or identical air conditioner models as others, but no story behind these were the same. Every tale of giving, ranging from those who could only give a pocketful of change to those delivering $1,000 checks or buying out half the store, is a testament to the selfless nature of this community. Giving to Council on Aging means something different to each one of our donors, but it means the same thing to all of our seniors: an act of love towards a vulnerable population who need us most.

lifestyle magazine for seniors 13 summertime adventures at the museum

14 Coming of Age summer 2019 Pensacola Children’s Museum 115 Zaragosa St., Pensacola, FL www.historicpensacola.org The only children-focused museum in Pensacola, it offers both older and younger children a peak into the history and industry that build Pensacola. Grandchildren will love all the innovative and educational first floor exhibits and adults will enjoy the artifacts on display on the second floor.

summertime T.T. Wentworth Jr. Museum 330 S. Jefferson St., Pensacola, FL adventures www.historicpensacola.org at the museum The “flagship museum” of Pensacola. According to the UWF Historic Trust, by Kaitlyn Peacock every true Pensacolian should take a trip inside if only one time to see all Summer days on the Gulf Coast can the local history on display. Guests keep you home to beat the heat and will experience the permanent exhibit of the now-defunct Trader Jon’s, an exhibit displaying avoid the crowds at the beach or the old movie memorabilia from Star Wars, Alien and other pool, but air conditioning alone can’t classic sci-fi films for the summer and more. keep the cabin fever away. Looking for something to do during the long, hot days? Wondering about a good place to take the grandchildren that isn’t the beach? The answer is easy: the museum! Some of you may be booing. The museum? How boring. But, maybe you just haven’t been to the right museum. Or maybe, you’re excited about the idea. Yay art and history! Either way, we’ve put Museum of Commerce together a comprehensive list of the top 201 Zaragosa St. Pensacola, FL nine museums from Pensacola to Biloxi www.historicpensacola.org that will interest even the most skeptical With everything from historic toys, tools, music and more, of guests. And if it keeps you out of the this immersive museum will transport guests back to a heat and out of the house, it’s certainly different Pensacola than the one we know today. Expect to worth a shot. see trolleys and horse-drawn buggies as some of the main attractions.

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National Naval Aviation Museum 1878 S. Blue Angel Pkwy., Pensacola, FL www.navalaviationmuseum.org Perhaps the crowning jewel of Pensacola museums, the National Naval Aviation Museum houses the largest collection of naval aviation artifacts, aircraft and history. Take a flight in one of the museum’s simulators, enjoy a movie at the IMAX theater and marvel at the 150 restored aircrafts on display. After visiting the museum, make sure to jump across the road to check out the Pensacola Lighthouse, the tallest lighthouse on the Gulf Coast.

The USS Alabama Battleship Memorial Park 2703 Battleship Pkwy., Mobile, AL www.ussalabama.com Once called “The Heroine of the Pacific,” this WWII- era battleship was retired to the Mobile Bay in 1965, where a park and museum were constructed around it. The park also includes the oldest submarine on public display, the USS Drum, and other exhibits showing off vintage artillery. Also be sure to check out the Living History Crew Drills, where reenactors take you through a day on the life of the USS Alabama and the USS Drum, including a surprise attack from vintage bomber planes. Gulf Coast Exploreum Science Center 65 Government St., Mobile, AL www.exploreum.com For those looking for a fun, educational afternoon with the grandchildren, the Exploreum includes four permanent exhibits offering a hands-on experience for children and adults of all ages. In addition, the Exploreum is hosting a special exhibit this summer on how science fiction has become our science reality. It is the preeminent science museum on the Gulf Coast.

16 Coming of Age summer 2019 GulfQuest, the National Maritime Museum of the Gulf of Mexico 155 Water St., Mobile, AL www.gulfquest.org

Built within a replica of a container ship, similar to those built in the port of Mobile, GulfQuest offers about 90 exhibits on maritime history, including early trade routes, Gulf marine life, ship navigation and more. Children will enjoy the interactive exhibits and adults will enjoy the history and artifacts on display.

Ohr-O’Keefe Museum of Art 386 Beach Blvd., Biloxi, MS www.georgeohr.org

One of the strangest sights you may find in Mississippi are the award-winning buildings designed for the reconstruction of the Ohr-O’Keefe Museum in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. With a special interest in pottery after the museum’s namesake, the “Mad Potter of Biloxi” George E. Ohr, the museum offers both permanent and rotating exhibits focusing on the art and history of Biolxi.

Walter Anderson Museum of Art 510 Washington Ave., Ocean Springs, MS www.walterandersonmuseum.org

A museum with permanent art fixtures painted onto the very walls, this museum seeks to celebrate Walter Anderson’s artwork and his efforts to teach art to community members of Ocean Springs. With exhibits displaying a 3,000 square foot mural of Anderson’s and changing contemporary artists, the museum offers an interactive space to explore some of the best art of the Gulf Coast.

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History buffs and nature lovers looking for a little adventure this summer will enjoy the ranger led programs at the Gulf Islands National Seashore. These programs offer participants the chance to visit historic brick forts, take a barrier island walk or hike through salt marsh habitats, or snorkel and kayak in the emerald green waters.

Created in 1971, the national seashore stretches 160 miles along the northern coast of the Gulf of Mexico in Florida and Mississippi, and includes barrier islands, maritime forests, historic forts, bayous and marine habitat. Fort Barrancas: Bastions on the Bluffs Summer programs are offered June Thursdays through Mondays at 2 pm; meet at the Fort through August at both the Florida and the Barrancas Visitor Center. Mississippi seashores. While the ranger High on a bluff overlooking the entrance to Pensacola Bay, programs are free of charge, there is an Fort Barrancas stands today as a monument of military entrance fee to both the Fort Pickens and engineering and a marvel of human ingenuity. Learn more Fort Barrancas Areas. about the endurance of this imposing brick structure. 45 minute program; involves walking on uneven surfaces, sandy walkways and steps.

FLORIDA RANGER PROGRAMS FORT PICKENS AREA The Fort Pickens Discovery Center is open daily 9 am FORT BARRANCAS AREA - 4:30 pm The Fort Barrancas Area is open Thursday-Monday 9 am - 4:15 pm Snorkeling in the Sound Thursdays and Fridays at 9:30 am and Saturdays Advanced Redoubt: Legacy of Brick & Mortar through Mondays at 9:30 am and 11:30 am; Saturdays and Sundays at 11 am; meet at the meet at the Battery Worth Picnic Area. entrance to Advanced Redoubt. 60 minute program; children must be accompanied by an adult. Snorkel equipment available for the first 25 Designed solely for resisting a land-based assault, the participants. Advanced Redoubt is a monument to war, peace, and architectural ingenuity. Explore the brick arches and white washed casemates of this engineering marvel. 45 minute Nature Walk: Life on a Barrier Island program; involves walking on uneven surfaces, sandy Daily at 10:30 am; meet at the Fort Pickens Bookstore. walkways and steps. Shaped by the forces of water, wind, and storms, barrier islands are ever-changing, requiring the plants and wildlife to adapt continually. Learn more about what makes barrier 18 Coming of Age summer 2019 islands special places to plants, animals, and people. 45 minute program; involves walking on uneven surfaces, sandy walkways and steps.

School of the Soldier Thursdays and Fridays at 10 am & 3 pm and Saturdays & Sundays at 10 am 12:30 pm & 3 pm; meet at the Fort Pickens Bookstore. For more than a century Fort Pickens protected the coastline from foreign invasion and withstood the actions of war, time, and the elements. Discover the importance of this coastal fortification in our nation’s history. 30 minute program; accessible. Program includes firing demonstrations when staff available.

Fort Pickens: Stories of Brick and Mortar Daily at 1:30 pm and other times as posted; meet at the Fort Pickens Bookstore. 30 minute program; involves walking on uneven surfaces, sandy walkways and steps.

Creature Feature Thursdays through Mondays at 3:30 pm; meet at the Fort Pickens Bookstore. 30 minute program; involves walking on uneven surfaces, sandy walkways and steps.

Sunset Walk on Santa Rosa Island Fridays through Sundays at 6:30 pm; meet at the Creature Feature parking lot across from Beach Access 15A. Wednesdays through Sundays at 2:30 pm; meet at the Join park staff at the old Fort Pickens Campground Store parking lot near beach access 15A and explore Santa Rosa Visitor Center. Island with a ranger at sunset. 45 minute program; involves 30 minute program; accessible. walking on uneven surfaces, sandy walkways and steps. Ship Island Stargazing Ship Island is located 12 miles off the coast of Mississippi and can be accessed by private vessel or the official tour boat. Friday, June 28 at 8 pm, Friday, July 26 at 7:45 pm, Ferry information can be found at www.msshipisland.com. Friday, August 30 at 7:15 pm; Meet at Battery Worth Picnic Pavilion. Fort Massachusetts: Ship Islands’ Silent Sentinel Join park staff and volunteers from the Escambia Amateur Astronomer’s Association (EAAA) for a fun night out under the June 1 - August 18: Mondays - Fridays at 1:30 pm stars. Get an up-close view of some celestial objects and learn Saturdays & Sundays at 10:30 am & 1:30 pm more about the night sky. Telescopes will be available for use. Starting August 21: Wednesdays - Fridays at 1:30 pm Saturdays & Sundays at 10:30 am & 1:30 pm MISSISSIPPI RANGER PROGRAMS Explore the massive masonry fort that dominates the western end of Ship Island. 40 minute program; accessible. DAVIS BAYOU AREA For additional information, visit www.nps.gov/GulfIslands or The Davis Bayou Area is open daily from 8 am to call (850) 934-2600. sunset. The William M. Colmer Visitor Center is open daily 9 am to 4:30 pm.

Nature Walk: Life in the Bayou Wednesdays through Sundays at 9:30 am; meet at the Visitor Center. 30 minute program; accessible. lifestyle magazine for seniors 19 SENIORS SAVE ON TICKETS

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50427_CE_Coming-of-Age_ad.indd 1 2/27/19 3:47 PM Living and loving on your terms

By Josh Newby

Americans are living and loving longer than ever before. And as stigmas around aging and who we age with continue to dissipate, more and more elder adults are feeling empowered to be themselves openly and An estimated six percent coupled with the obstacles honestly. Old standards of of elder adults are lesbian, that already exist in getting behavior sometimes persist, gay, bisexual or transgender, old, can seem insurmountable though, and in their wake leave but far few openly identify to many. crises of identity and loneliness. as such. Unique stressors Society as a whole has finally associated with being a sexual Thankfully, there is evidence become okay with senior minority make some seniors that as society and the citizens remaining in the work think twice about coming eldercare industry specifically out. Openly LGBT older adults are more educated on the place—as long as they don’t are more likely to suffer plight of older LGBT people, dictate too much about it. And economic, physical and mental these individuals are finding most in the South are finally disadvantages as they and joy and satisfaction later in comfortable with the idea of those around them come to life. Just like their heterosexual the 70-plus crowd having sex— terms with their identity. They counterparts became more so far as the sex is straight and are also more likely to live transparent about their nothing to blush about. alone and experience social active sex lives around the isolation. These challenges, turn of the millennium, so

24 Coming of Age summer 2019 “Imagine being on your death gay, bi and transgender seniors bed and realizing “She had an accident but are embracing one of the most recovered, but that doesn’t stop integral facets of life—intimacy. that you lied her from cleaning the house and to yourself and doing laundry,” Ron-Paul said. Bill Adair and Rick Rheaume, 69 “Last week she came down with and 61 respectively, love their those around you shingles.” lives and are comfortable being themselves, even in conservative all your life. It The three live together in Destin Northwest Florida and around and would not trade this part of their own ex-wives. They have can be difficult to the world for anything. While Ron- been together 27 years and could come out, but it is Paul admits there is not much not be happier. to do for an older gay couple, so freeing.” they enjoy being with friends and “Ours is a good life,” Bill said, a caring for Steven’s mother. painter who has adorned their Gulf Breeze home with his own “It is hard being gay,” Ron-Paul artistic depictions of wildlife. said. “Most of our friends are straight people in the military, but “It wasn’t always, though,” Rick they are very accepting.” recalled, who has worked for many Fortune 500 companies Ron-Paul and Steven follow the in his career. “There used to be current optimistic trend of older gay a joke around the office that couples being upfront and honest management would find an about who they are, while not excuse to fire someone for being making the fact that they are gay gay, so I had to be very careful.” the most notable thing about them.

Whether it is the self-confidence rather live in poverty than not be Others lack the support system or that comes naturally with aging honest with myself.” self-confidence to be themselves, or the world around them that is whether in the workplace, around slowly progressing, the two are “Imagine being on your death bed friends or even at home. The most comfortable in their own skin now. and realizing that you lied to yourself important thing, according to both and those around you all your life,” Bill and Rick and Ron-Paul and “We stopped asking for Rick agreed. “It can be difficult to Steven, is to do everything in your permission and started asking for come out, but it is so freeing.” own time and according to your acceptance,” Bill said. own needs. Another couple, Ron-Paul Henry The two enjoy traveling and and Steven Michael (“a couple “You have to ask yourself, are being near the water, but admit of five first names,” Ron-Paul you coming out for society or for that if they were still forced— likes to joke), have the not-so- yourself?” Ron-Paul said. “I would by themselves or by their unique task of also caring for the be looking for some kind of peace. community—to be in the closet, latter’s mother. The two are 65 You have to satisfy your basic life would not hold the spice it and 55 and have been together needs before moving on.” • does now. for decades. Steven’s mother has lived with them since they moved “It’s one of the most personal in together, and they would not things about myself,” said Bill. “I’d have it any other way.

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For more than 30 years – ever Despite his age and an arthritic George Goggans since he managed to quit smoking spine, Goggans says he’s in the doesn’t love on his 50th birthday – Goggans best shape of his life. He rises early has approached his health with to run around Azalea Trace and the running. But the practicality of a prizefighter. University of West Florida campus. He’ll do whatever it takes to get In addition to his running regimen, the 83-year-old the most out of his time on earth. Goggans regularly attends He may not love the work, but he aerobics and yoga classes led by Azalea Trace cherishes the results. Azalea Trace fitness trainer Maryjo Loucks. He was feeling so good resident loves “I tell people I don’t enjoy it, but in January that he approached life, so he runs. when I get through I’m always glad Loucks with a question: Did I did it,” Goggans said, a former she think he could run a half- English teacher. “I feel like I’ve marathon? made a contribution to my health.”

lifestyle magazine for seniors 27 “The most distance I had done before then was 5K,” Goggans said. “I wanted to see if I could do it. She said, ‘Let’s give it a try!’”

Loucks started Goggans on a training regimen and the pair set their sites on the Blue Angels Rock 'N Fly Half Marathon onboard Naval Air Station Pensacola on March 23.

Goggans checked with his doctors and a rheumatologist who all gave him the “OK” and George Goggans began bumping up the length of prepared for his runs each day. He also had the Blue Angel the support of his wife Emma Rock N' Fly Whitfield. half marathon with the help “First of all when he told me he of Azalea Trace wanted to run a half-marathon fitness trainer I wasn’t really that surprised Maryjo Loucks. because fitness is extremely Goggans continues to important to both of us,” said attends Louck's Whitfield. “I did think, ‘Well, you aerobics and know, you are 83 so my main yoga classes. concern was I wanted to get the doctors’ OK.’ Once they said it would be OK I was completely supportive of it because I know when he decides to do something he wants to do it, but I also know he’s not going to do anything out there willy-nilly.” When race day came, the “I consider furthest distance Goggans When race day came, the had ever run was 10 miles. life as a longest Goggans had ever run Undeterred, he took to the was 10 miles. A half-marathon starting line intent on crossing gift and my is 13.1 miles. Then, just weeks the finish line. Loucks, an avid before the race, he came down runner herself, ran alongside taking care with a fever and had to put his Goggans and snapped his training on hold. picture at every mile marker to of it as kind send to Whitfield as she waited The night before the race, at the finish line. of a thank Goggans barely slept. you note”

28 Coming of Age summer 2019 to the announcers who in turn shared George’s progress with the crowd.

“Pretty soon the spectators started paying attention and listening for updates about Goggans,” Whitfield said. “So when I saw them come around that corner everybody started yelling, ‘George! George! George!' ”

Goggans had persevered. Despite the pain, he was determined to run across the finish line, and so he did with the crowd cheering him on. He finished the race with a time of Goggans' wife, three hours and 21 minutes. Emma Whitfield, waited for “It gave me a real sense of George at the accomplishment,” he said. “I was finish line. She really happy I had done it and relayed updates survived it without any major about George's problems.” progress to the race announcers As for future plans, Goggans who got the said he probably won’t attempt crowd involved another half-marathon. Once and cheering as he crossed the was enough to prove to himself finish line. he could do it. No sense in risking injury. He’ll stick to his regular routine, golf twice a week and hiking in Colorado when he gets the chance.

For a man that used to smoke a pack a day, Goggans sees himself now as the steward of a “I was just going to sit in a lawn Goggans started strong, but second, healthier life. chair and read my book and I around the tenth mile his back absolutely could not,” Whitfield pain flared up and he had “I consider life as a gift and my said. “I stood by the road the to slow to a walk. Whitfield, taking care of it as kind of a entire time. I was nervous, not meanwhile, approached the race thank you note,” he said.• because I thought he was going announcers to confirm that her to have a heart attack but he husband was the oldest runner didn’t get to finish his training.” by more than a decade. She began relaying Loucks’ updates

lifestyle magazine for seniors 29 ArtG Ana Exclusiverfunkel Interview

rt Garfunkel is an odd guy in the Most widely known as half of the folk rock A very best of ways. A self-described “nut duo Simon and Garfunkel, Art Garfunkel was case,” Garfunkel is actually an extremely well- born and raised in Queens, New York. Growing read musical perfectionist who possesses an up, Garfunkel enjoyed music from a young angelic tenor, a curious mind, an advanced age and he describes his obsession with degree in mathematics, a gift for prose echoes and acoustics as an almost spiritual and a passion for very long walks. With experience. After honing his singing skills in such a diverse array of interests, it came the synagogue, Garfunkel met Paul Simon in as no surprise that a conversation with Art the sixth grade. The two performed together as Garfunkel would become a whirlwind of ideas, Tom and Jerry and even had a hit on the pop remembrances and impressions on a life well charts with “Hey, Schoolgirl” in 1957. The rest, lived and a talent well nurtured. as they say, is history.

30 Coming of Age summer 2019 ArtG arfunkel

An Exclusive Interview Good morning, Mr. Garfunkel. How by Kelly Oden are you today?

Whimsical. I’m in the mood to be a ‘60s hippie. Are you in the mood to talk and to be a curious person? After all I'm in your hands. Life is in the eye of the beholder. You could be very flat about the history of rock and roll and I come out as a nowhere man or you could realize that I was on the second floor of the edifice called rock and roll’s history—this giant skyscraper—and I helped build the second floor. It's exciting if you look at it that way. You have to start with respect for the history of rock.

I certainly have that. I grew up listening to your records as a kid.

Ok. Here’s a test question—I said whimsical. Do you know how good Phil Spector is as a record producer? Did you ever hear Ike Simon and Garfunkel as we know them reformed in 1963 and and Tina Turner’s River Deep, released a series of influential albums, including Sounds of Silence; Mountain High? Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme; Bookends and Bridge over Yes, I have. Troubled Water. Additionally, the duo contributed to the soundtrack of the 1967 Mike Nichols film The Graduate with the now So, you know how good that is. It's infamous song, “Mrs. Robinson.” a perfect example of a great rock Over the years, Garfunkel has released numerous solo albums, single. So if you had said, “I never heard it,” I would go—hmm. Okay, dabbled in acting, written an autobiographical book of poetry that that tells me something. Do and prose, married, fathered children and walked—a lot. Coming you know how good Mark Knopfler of Age had the unique pleasure of speaking with Art Garfunkel in is as a guitar player? He’s a record advance of his concert at the Pensacola Saenger Theatre about maker with a real sense of less his life, his musical philosophy and his accomplishments.

lifestyle magazine for seniors 31 but it's just an overlay. It's Nichols, I’d be sitting there a curiosity — one, two, on call at the hotel in three, four, five, six, seven, Guaymas, Mexico waiting eight. That's the octave. to come down after Jon And if the low note is 200 Voight did his part and vibrations per second, Orson Welles. I was one that high note will be 400 of the actors. I had all of vibrations per second. his time on my hands. So Okay, what a coincidence. I said, alright, let's see War That's how the Lord made and Peace by Tolstoy. They the musical pitches to say it's the greatest. It relate to each other — was. Let's try Dostoevsky’s fascinating. Do I use it in Crime and Punishment. any record I ever made? What is this new book by No. Does it come up when Philip Roth, a new author, I'm with musicians in the called Portnoy's Complaint? studio? Not really. Math Let's see. If you read is a curious overlay that content—the good stuff— comes up in interviews your mind is amused like this, right? I think it's from book to book to a cliche when we try and book. You go back to the hook up the math and the past. You look at what music mentality. I think they gave you at college. the brain goes to different When I was at Columbia places. I love Bach and it's College we read Darwin's is more. He's very spare. I don't know if they relate almost like mathematics— Origin of Species and it all As were Fleetwood Mac. so much. I think math is a his fugues and the way seemed like wonderful When Fleetwood Mac wonderful, worthy training they run on top of each food for the mind. The came on the scene, they of the brain. When I make other and build these entire college curriculum were making very empty music, I'm involved with constructions. It seems comes alive, from Thomas sounding records, but feeling. What feels right? sort of mathematical, but Hobbes to Plato, and it was groovy. I jumped Math is just a cute game, it's not really. you start thinking now into the content of it all, an overlay. It's cute that that I'm a little older in didn’t I? I believe rock this note is the vibration I understand that you my later twenties, I see and roll is an American of sound at a certain have written down every the heavyweight value of invention that we exported number of vibrations per book that you've read all these great concepts all over the world and it's second. And that's why since 1968. How and they gave me at college. an unbelievably healthy that pitch is that. If it was why did you begin this These are wonderful large and joyous and wonderful a slightly higher pitch, then tradition? thoughts. Montaigne, export. It's a terrific thing that would mean more the French guy, what a that makes America a vibrations per second. That's correct, because smarty. So I have never great country. Well, when the number well, why not? You start stopped. I like history. I of vibrations per second reading and when you like philosophy. Forty-five It certainly is. I know is let's say 200 and if finish the book, you can years later at an average that you have a degree you double the number write down the title and of two books a month, I've in mathematics and I of vibrations per second, keep a record of it. You now read 1,292. wonder how that interplay that just happens to be move on and on. From between music and math an octave higher. That 1969 when I was making works for you. fact amuses the shit out Catch-22 with Mike of me. It’s mathematics,

32 Coming of Age summer 2019 “ And there was Paul Simon who moved into the neighborhood a few blocks away. We got to know each other in the sixth grade. We were in junior high together; smoking our first cigarettes and listening to Alan Freed give the New York kids rock and roll.”

That's fascinating. Do you You enjoy walking. You've to Lyon. I’m sure you can think about mortality and ever re-read something walked through America picture this. It's gorgeous I write prose poems. I’m that you loved? and Europe, correct? there. This is Burgundy. connected to the world I'm writing in my notebook through an audience. I’m I like Jean-Jacques I'll tell you what; I use and I'm singing and I'm Art Garfunkel. So if I do Rousseau's Confessions. the notion of staying alone. I cross over the something that's worthy It's his autobiography. I interesting to yourself. Alps into Northern Italy and entertaining, I might like that book. I read it I've used it all my life. and come down to Genoa. have a bit of a vehicle. I'm twice. There's one other I That's why I'm a rock and I wheel around to Sienna not pissing in the wind. read twice. I forget. roll Daddy. And I need and come south to Rome exercise. A New Yorker is and then down to Naples. Did the idea for your When you write down claustrophobic. Now I cross to the east book, What Is It All But the name of the book, do side of Italy— to the heel Luminous: Notes From An you put any notes or your So years ago, I began to of the boot in Brindisi. I Underground Man, come thoughts on the book? leave. I started leaving my take a ferry to Northern from these walks? apartment with my New Greece. I cross Greece Just the name of the Balance sneakers and from one end to the other The Alfred Knopf book. Inside the book, headed west. And with 40 end. That was a long 500 publishing company there are a lot of markings different installments over miles of northern Greece saw my stuff. I know an in the margins about about 20 years, I crossed and then I got to Istanbul. editor and he took a look what I think of this or that. America to the Pacific Two years ago I got to at what I'd been writing. I'll put an exclamation Ocean. I’d do a two-week Istanbul. He said there's a book point—meaning this is a walk, fly home and live my here. He brought it to heavy paragraph. life. Later that year, I’d do I do about two a year. Vicky Wilson, the primary another one. It’s great exercise. Great editor at Knopf. She liked Is it true that your getting out of New York. what I wrote. She really personal library is full of In the late 90s, I started Great for writing and helped me see that this these 1,292 books? walking through Europe. I singing, you can sing is an autobiography. began in Western Ireland— as loud as you want. It You're writing things that Every one of these books dig this—I walked across seemed like an answer to really trace back to your is lined up in my office at Ireland, Southern Wales being a New York City boy. youth and go through the top of my apartment in and Western England. your Simon and Garfunkel New York. They're mostly Can you picture it? Do A walk like that is very salad days right into the paperbacks. They're all you see the map a little? solitary. You must enjoy introspective man you are lined up in the shelves Western England down being alone with your who falls in love and then in the order I read them. to the English Channel. I thoughts. loses a girl from suicide I'm anal compulsive. I'm took a ferry to Normandy. and then is very lonesome surrounded by all these Now I’m in Chartres. I go I like myself. My thoughts and artistic through the books and it's my history. through Paris and then are interesting to me. I ‘70s and ‘80s and then come down through Paris like the big questions. I finds love with Kathryn

lifestyle magazine for seniors 33 I wanted to ask you to me and spiritual and I a little bit about your chased after that. I made boyhood. What were you sure nobody was listening. like as a child? What did I was in a state of privacy you dream about? What and I worked on putting did you do for fun? these tones out so I could hear beauty. A man, a boy The question is almost too working on beauty is a rich. It's too psychiatric for rare, daring, brave thing. me to know myself that So you need privacy. You well. Who are you really need stairwells. (Singing) at the core? I don't know. Our father who art in heaven, I wish I knew. It's a scary hallowed be thy name. You question. Do you know could get carried away who you really are below with beautiful songs that your creativity? We know are unabashedly, daringly you can put on an act and up there. Whether it's be colorful. You can sing. (singing) When you walk You can entertain people. through the storm keep your You did it in the living head up high. You know room when you were You'll Never Walk Alone by from Minnesota and has So you mentioned your seven. You would come Rodgers and Hammerstein these two children that family and your kids and back with your basketball was a great, upward you cherish to this day your wife. You've kept a from the gym and pass aspiring ballot. Well, I and these solo albums pretty low profile over the your mom playing locked onto those. If there that you keep making in years that. Can you tell Mahjong with her women were a dozen of them the studio while you walk me a little bit about your friends. They're in the around, I mastered all of and write and get this family and your children? living room and you would them. The goose bumps, literary assignment to put stop and you would charm the upper reaches—I was a out this book. I have two sons from the the shit out of them for kid with a tenor stretching same mama—Kathryn about five minutes. You my upper tenor in privacy The trick is trying to stay Cermak from Minneapolis. developed a routine and in rooms that had reverb. interesting to yourself. We fell in love in the mid- it would change, but Throw yourself into fear. 80s. We married in 1988. your mouth would kick At around age 10 or 11, I I'm going to leave this. It's We had James in 1990. in and you would be this saw that the synagogue too stale. What are you But he hates the name. entertainer to your mom's gave me what I wanted. I going to go to? I'm not Daddy, you gave me an friends—learning how to started mastering these sure. It's going to be scary Anglo-Saxon name. I don't be a charmer with your minor-key Hebrew notes. but I'm going to jump into feel I am that person. Well, basketball—all sweaty. I had no idea what the that scary place. That is who are you honey? I'm language meant, but it what life is. It keeps the Arthur Jr. I'm flattered. And from these days I worked in the synagogue blood circulating—jumping Okay, whatever. So, I sang in rooms that had and it produced tears from into the scary place of bring him on stage and echo. Rooms that had these men in their robes— black, of the unknown. It'll he's Arthur Jr. and he's a great echo turned me on produced tears. be known once I get there. magnificent singer. He's a fiercely—a stairwell or the great guy. synagogue. If the room Two years to three years really gave you reverb and later, there's Paul Simon put tails on the notes so in my life. And there's that when you held a note, Alan Freed on the radio it was very goose-bumpy come from Cleveland

34 Coming of Age summer 2019 and brought with him Dooley and Barry McGuire records by Chuck Berry gave us the Eve of and Fats Domino and Destruction—that had the Elvis and Little Richard. real flavor of what I would Little Richard—how wild. I call the folk thing. The was 13 and Little Richard lyrics punched you in the was really sexual, daring, jaw. They woke you up to rhythmic, hot stuff. So I the pockets of unfairness listened when I did my in America. There was homework. And there was a righteousness that Paul Simon who moved was proper. That was into the neighborhood the first record that had a few blocks away. the sound—a well-made We got to know each pop record with the folk other in the sixth grade. righteous lyric. Then We were in junior high came Joan Baez. She together; smoking our first was wonderful. Soon cigarettes and listening to came Dylan. He had Alan Freed give the New that wonderful truck York kids rock and roll. We driver’s vocal sound with sang it in a Buddy Holly, wonderful songs, but what rockabilly kind of way an image. The man who because we could sing. made size 31 jeans really We would hold rehearsals work. and blend pretty nicely— like the Everly's. You’re a bit of a perfectionist and you’ve Do you have a favorite others. I don't tell anyone Paul would play guitar like talked before about song of yours to sing because I don't want to Buddy Holly. So we had a chasing the perfect note. and/or at least favorite? put it down. I don't want rock and roll competitive Where does that drive them to listen to me and style. We knew we had come from? When I do my show, I think that I’m hating it the a shot if we would make love Perfect Moment. I’m whole time. demos and go into New I'm a nutcase. I love co-writer of it. When you York and try and compete. neatness. Aesthetically, write them yourself, they On your current tour, That's what you do when I'm involved with beauty are your exact taste. you do a good bit of you're a New Yorker. and I love super neat Perfect Moment has a storytelling, is that right? things. I love less is more. prettiness to it that I like. When did you get into the I love the architecture of I sing it and I get off on it Well, in the sense that folk scene? Mies Van Der Rohe and just a touch more than the I show you my book— his Seagram's building in others. these little one minute As soon as it arrived in New York. I love very neat prose poems. I drop in on New York. What was things. So I like to produce Is there any that you my connection with the it—‘61, ‘62.The folk scene a sound that's really Rolls- wouldn't mind never sing studio, with my love life, was middle-of-the-road, Royce tooled. again? with my American views slightly corny at first. The sociologically, with my Kingston Trio was very Yes. There's one—only past. These prose poems wholesome in their sound. one. It strains me. I don't are me and I thread them I never felt that was raw feel the juice, but I try between the songs. enough, but they brought and act as if I do. There's Hang Down Your Head Tom only one. I really enjoy the

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