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Wai 2200, #4.1.10 Wai 2200, #4.1.10 WAI 2200 - NGA KORERO TUKU IHO HELD AT WHAKARONGOTAI MARAE WAIKANAE 22 APRIL 2015 Tribunal: Deputy Chief Judge C Fox Emeritus Professor Sir Tamati Reedy Dr Grant Phillipson Honourable Sir Douglas Kidd Tania Simpson Crown Counsel: Ashleigh Allan Ellen Chapple Jacki Cole Wiremu (Bill) Kaua (Kaumātua) Claimant Speakers: Paora Ropata Snr (In speaking order) Hepa Potini Paora Ropata Jnr Rawhiti Higgott Hauangi Kiwha Queenie Rikihana Hyland Jim Webber Chris Webber Yvonne Mitchell Albie Ellison Mahutonga Blankensop Mahina-a-rangi Baker Miria Pomare Ngapera Parata Ani Parata, Karen Parata and Darrin Parata Hepa Potini 1 TABLE OF SPEAKERS (09:54) PAORA ROPATA SNR: (WAI 1945) .......................................................................................... 9 (10:31) HEPA POTINI: (WAI 88 AND 89) ............................................................................................. 31 (11:16) PAORA TEMUERA RŌPATA JNR: (RŌPATA WHĀNAU) ..................................................... 54 HEARING ADJOURNS: 12.04 PM ..................................................................................................... 73 (12:46) RAWHITI HIGGOTT: (TE ĀTI AWA / NGĀTI AWA) ................................................................. 74 (13:30) HAUANGI KIWHA: (PARATA WHĀNAU) ................................................................................ 99 (13:50) KUINI RIKIHANA: (PARATA WHĀNAU) ............................................................................... 108 (14:01) JIM WEBBER: (KAPITI ISLAND) ........................................................................................... 115 (14:20) CHRIS WEBBER: (CLAIM 93351) ......................................................................................... 127 (14:34) YVONNE MITCHELL: (AIRPORT / RESERVES) ................................................................... 134 (14:46) ALBY ELLISON: (AIRPORT / RESERVES) ........................................................................... 141 (15:25) MAHUTONGA BLANKENSOP: (BAKER WHĀNAU) ............................................................ 145 (16:07) MIRIA POMARE: (TE ĀTI AWA) ............................................................................................ 165 (17:00) KAREN PARATA: (NGĀTI AWA / TE ĀTI AWA KI WAIKANAE) ......................................... 189 (17:05) ANI PARATA: (NGĀTI AWA / TE ĀTI AWA KI WAIKANAE) ................................................ 191 (17:30) ANI PARATA’S SON: (NGĀTI AWA / TE ĀTI AWA KI WAIKANAE) .................................... 200 (17:43) HEPA POTINI: (CLOSING SUBMISSIONS)........................................................................... 210 Wai 2200 - Nga Korero Tuku Iho_22 April 2015 1 HEARING COMMENCES ON WEDNESDAY 22 APRIL 2015 AT 9.33 AM MIHI 5 KARAKIA DEPUTY CHIEF JUDGE FOX: Mōrena, tēnā koutou Ngāti Awa, Te Āti Awa whānui kua karanga mai nei ki a mātou kia haramai ki te whakarongo i ō kōrero tuku iho mai i ngā tīpuna e pā ana ki a koutou. Tēnei te mihi atu ki a koutou. Tēnā koutou ngā rōia, ngā 10 kaimahi kua tae mai hei pou tautoko i ngā kaikōrero mō te rā nei. Tēnā koutou katoa. [Interpreter: Greetings, good morning. I acknowledge you Ngāti Awa and Te Āti Awa, all of the people, those of you who welcomed us to listen to your 15 ancestral history handed down to you from your ancestors. I acknowledge you; I salute you, greetings to you all. I greet the lawyers, all of the staff, those assisting today, all of you and carrying forward today’s discussions, greetings to you.] 20 Greetings everybody, my name is Deputy Chief Judge Fox. I am hearing this matter with my colleagues and I would like to take this opportunity to introduce them to you, because although some of you have been participating in the other kōrero tuku iho hui that have been held around the Porirua ki Manawatū Inquiry District, others of you have not been, and you do not know us all. 25 So you heard Sir Tamati talk about us, a reasonable number of us coming from Ngāti Porou. I am Ngāti Porou as well and Rongowhakaata, so that is all I am going to say about me, but I would like to spend some time just introducing the others. 30 First of all I want to begin with Emeritus Professor Sir Tamati Reedy who as he mentioned this morning, was once the Secretary of Māori Affairs where he Wai 2200 - Nga Korero Tuku Iho_22 April 2015 2 became probably at that time, quite important to iwi development because he was the secretary that moved to devolve many of the functions and services from Māori Affairs to iwi. And so those who were involved in iwi hauora programmes and Justice programmes around the rohe will know that many of 5 those programmes were born out of that movement that occurred in the ‘80s and Sir Tamati was at the helm of Māori Affairs when it happened. He has a doctorate, as you know. He is Dr Tamati Reedy, the first Māori to do a doctorate in linguistics, so very important. As we know the Māori language 10 movement since then has grown, but when he did it, it was not trendy, was novel and for Ngāti Porou it was very important for the wellbeing of te reo ake o Ngāti Porou. So that is all I have to say about him. You heard him speak this morning so I am not going to invite him to speak again. 15 But I want to introduce Tania Simpson nō Waikato, Raukawa, Ngāi Tahu, and he peka ki Ngā Puhi hoki. So she is the CEO of Kowhai Consulting, has been a director of Mighty River Power. She is the first Māori to have been appointed to the Reserve Bank of New Zealand and she brings with her both the experience in the commercial world, but also in tikanga Māori terms, she 20 is one of the main advisers to King Tūheitia on certain issues concerning Waikato. She has those links of course to people in this area through whakapapa, but it is distant enough for her not to be in a conflict situation. She brings with her 25 the knowledge and background that we need to understand some of the heke that came down from Waikato to this region. And would you like to say anything? Then we have the Honourable Sir Douglas Kidd who needs very little 30 introduction to people here, but for those who do not know, lawyer by training, entered Parliament in 1978 as a Member for Marlborough. 1990 he became the Cabinet Minister, so within two years, and Minister of Māori Affairs in 1991. And amongst other things heralded through the House under extreme Wai 2200 - Nga Korero Tuku Iho_22 April 2015 3 pressure, the Sealord’s deal leaning to the Fisheries Settlement of ’92, and Te Ture Whenua Māori Act which he made sure happen after some 20 years languishing before the select committees in Parliament, so he made it happen. 5 And he has also been Speaker of the House, very important role from 1996 to when he retired. He became a Member of the Tribunal and has been one of the key members of this Tribunal ever since. So would you like to say anything Sir Doug? 10 SIR DOUGLAS KIDD: That’s enough. 0940 DEPUTY CHIEF JUDGE FOX: Okay, and then we have Dr Grant Phillipson appointed to the Tribunal in 2010. 15 He is our historian member and we are going to rely a lot on him during these proceedings, and he is also worked for the Tribunal prior to becoming a member, probably the longest serving staff member now, well then, before you became a member. And we will depend on him throughout this inquiry. He brings with him a wealth of knowledge about the history of New Zealand 20 generally, and he is going to be instrumental in the way we write up our findings after we have the full hearings next year and the year after. Turning to Mr Piripi Walker again, who needs no introduction, Ngāti Raukawa and probably one of the most well known experts on te reo Māori now 25 throughout the country. Board member, amongst other things of Māori Television and we are very lucky he has agreed to be involved. He is involved of course because this is where he is from, this area, and everyone here is related to people from Ngāti Raukawa. I understand there is this intermarriage that has happened and also because of the Confederation that 30 was established between Te Āti Awa and Ngāti Toa and Ngāti Raukawa I think that he is the most ideal person to be assisting us because he can provide us with the knowledge we need about some of the material we will Wai 2200 - Nga Korero Tuku Iho_22 April 2015 4 hear in te reo Māori. So we thank him very much for agreeing yet again to come and assist the Tribunal. We have our staff members who, it is very important for you to know, because 5 they facilitate the communication between the Tribunal, the lawyers, claimants and we need them to continue to ensure that those communication lines remain open, and we have. Dr Andrew Francis who is leading the team, senior researcher analyst, and 10 our inquiry facilitator. He will be supervising and managing the inquiry and the research casebooks, so if you have got issues around research, the way it has been conducted or you have not met some of the researches who have been commissioned by Crown Forest Rental Trust, then he is the man to talk to. So would you like to stand up? Would you like to say anything? 15 DR ANDREW FRANCIS: No. DEPUTY CHIEF JUDGE FOX: No. Dr Andrew Francis. We have Samuel Sygrove. He is our new 20 claims co-ordinator, so many of you would not have met him yet, and he organises and manages the inquiry. He is the central point of liaison for you on the ground, and yes, spend some time at the tea break and lunch just getting to know him. I understand your father is a Judge. I just thought I would throw that in and get that confirmed. 25 Helena Dillon is here. She is here to watch what is going on because she is one of the managers in the Tribunal and she is here to make sure we are spending their money appropriately. I am just having you on. 30 Dr Paul Husbands, he is going to be assisting us write our report so he is attending all the sessions that we have convened to make sure that he is fully Wai 2200 - Nga Korero Tuku Iho_22 April 2015 5 informed about the detail of what you are telling us, so he is going to be at every hui that we have.
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