Eigbtb Series, Vol. VIII, No. 17 Wednesday, August 14. 11)1S5 Sravana 23, 1907 (Saka)
LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)
Third Session (Eighth Lok Sabha)
(Vol. VIII contains Nos. 11 to 20)
LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELID ..Price: Rs. 4.00 CONtENTS
No. ]7, Wednesday, 14 August, 1985/Sravana 23, 1907 (Saka)
Columns Oral Answen to Questions: 1-25
·Starred Questions Nos. 325, 327 to 330, 333 and 334
Written Answers to Questions: 25-J65
Starred Questions Nos. 326, 331, 332, 335 to 338, 340, 25-31 343 and 343
Unstarred Questions Nos. 3417 to 3421, 3423 to 3441, 31-165
3443 to 3453 and 3455 to 3572
Papers Laid on the Table 170-173
Message from Rajya Sabba 173
Committee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions- 173 Fourth Report
Estimates Committee- )74
Third Report
Public Accounts Committee- 174
Fint, Second, Sixth and Seventh Report
Committee of Subordinate Legislation- 175
First Report
Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importan<:e- 175-207 Reported destruction of forests and pollution of air, water and atmosphere Shrimati Krishna Sahi 175
·Thc sian + marked above tbe Dame of a Member indicates that the q~ 'was actually asked on the floor of the House by tbat Member. (ii)
Columns
Shri Vir Sen 175
Shrj D. N. Reddy 186 '
Shri Sribari Rao 192
Shri Dbaram Pal Singh Malik 202
Business Advisory Committee- 207
Eleventh Report
Matters Under Rule 377- 207-213
(i) Need to declare seven State roads in Madhya Pradesh as National Highways
Kumari Pusbpa Devi 208
(ii) Need to differentiate the colours of Dye Amonia Phospate
and Super-phosphate Crystals.
Dr. Chandra Shekhar Tripathi 208
(iii) Adequate priority needed to mental health and education during Seventh Plan.
Shrimati Kishori Sinha 209
(iv) T.V. Relay Station for Nalgonda Shri M. Raghuma Reddy 210
(v) Construction of Railway Bridges at Chittoni and Digbagha t
and Demand for another train between Siwan station in
Bihar and Delhi
Shri Kali Prasad Pandey 210
(vi) Central Assistance to Madhya Pradesh for constructing a pucca bridge over Chambal river in District Morena.
Shri Kammodilal Jatav 211
(vii) Steps needed to place sufficient orders for wagons in
West Bengal Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi 212
Indian Railways (Amendment) Bitt- 213-267
Motion to consider (iii)
Columns
Shri C. P. Thakur 213
Dr. G. S. Rajbans 216
Sbri M. Subba Reddy 218 Sbri Chintama ni lena 221
Shri R. S. Khirhar 224
Shri M. Raghuma Reddy 22S
Shri M. L. Jhikram 227 Dr. Chander Shekhar Tripathi 229 ShrPK. R. Natarajan 231 Shrimati Manorama Singh 232 Shri Virdbi Chander Jain 233
Shri Narayan Choubey 234
Sbri Ram Bhagat Paswan 237
Shri Vijay N. Patil 239 Shri Harish Rawat 240 Shri N. V. N. Sornu 241
Sbri Sbanti Dhariwal 243 Shri R. Jeevarathinam 24S
Shri Abdul Hannan Ansari 248
Shri Kali Prasad Pandey 249
Shri Pratap Bhanu Sharma 251 Shri Ram Bahadur Singh 152
Shri Mankuram Sodi 254
Shri Moot Chand Daga 2SS
Shri Bansi Lal 257
Clauses 2 and 1 266
Motion to Pass
Shri Bansi Lal 266 Prof. Saifuddin Soz 267
Coal Mines (Conservation and Development) Amendment Bill- 268
Motion to consider 8bri Vasant Sathe 268 (iv)
Columns
~alf an Hour Discussion- 269-289
Recommendations of Expert Committee on Tyee lodustry
Prof. P. J. Kurien 269
Shri Veerendra PatH 274
Shri Ajit Kumar Saha 282
Shri Ajoy Biswas 284
Shri Somnath Rath 284
Shri Hannan Mollah 286 • Discussion re : Reported Atrocities on Members of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in Uttar Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya
Pradesh and some other parts of the country resultill8 in several deaths and injuries to many persons- 290-332
Prof. Meijinglung Kamson 290
Shri Chinta Mohan 293
Shri BapuJaJ MaJviya 294
Sbri B. N. Reddy 296
Shri P. K. Thungon 298
Shri Mohd. Mahfooj Ali Khan 301
Shri Manikrao Hodlya Gavit 304 Shri S. Jaipal Reddy' 30S
Shri Harish Rawat 308
Shri Cbintamani lena 310
Sbri C. Madbav Reddy 31S
Shrimati Gceta Mukherjee 323
Shri S. B. Chavan 323 LOK SABRA DEBATES
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SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: The answer LOK SABHA does not explain what is the feasibility test of Air India which they are applying to tbis question. because everybody knows that a Wednesday, August 14, 1985/ Sravana 23, very large number of piligrims from the eastern part of the country-from West 1907 (SAKA) Bengal, even from Bihar, Assam and Orissa, are going for this pilgrimage to Jeddah. At present they have to go overland to Bombay Lok Sabha met at Eleven 0/ the Clock. and sometimes they· have to wait in Bombay for one week or ten days because there is [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] no certainty about the timing of the flights and whether they will get accommodation or ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS not and many of them who want to go by air ultimately have to go perhaps by ship [English] from Bombay. So I want to know whether Air India's explanation is that there is not Direct Air Service between Calcutta- adequate pilgrim traffic from Calcutta or Jeddah whether they are short of aircraft or what is their problem? Why are they not able to -*325. SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: Will provide for such a large number of people the Minister of TOURlSrvl AND CIVIL who are going from the eastern part of the AVIATION bl! pleased to state : country?
(a) whether Governnlent have proposed SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: I fully to Air India to operate a direct Calcutta- agree \'lith the feelings and sentin1ents t'X- Jeddah service for the benefit of thousands pres'icd by the Han. Member. The number of Haj pilgrims from the Eastern region; of pilgrims from the Eastern part is in large number Of course the number of pilgrims (b) if so, Air India's reaction thereon; from Assam, Tripura, ~1anipur and and Meghataya, in 1985 was 767; from Bihar, 1061 and from Orissa-76 and from West (c) if not, reasons therefor? Bengal, Andaman and Nicobar it was 1600. A request was also made by the State Haj THE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY Committee, West Bengal. It was examined TO THE PR1ME MINISTER(SHRI AHMED by the Tourism and Civil Aviation Ministry M. PATEL): (a) In pur~uance of a letter but it was not found feasible because of the received in March 1984 from the West various constraints and particularly due to Bengal State Haj Committee, requesting for crew duty time limitations, ferry legs involv- Haj Charter flights from Calcutta to leddah ing very high cost of operations and also and back, Air India had been asked to exa- non-availability of additional flights. mine the feasibility of such an operation. However, no such request has been received SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: I expected by Government in 1985. that the Government would take some inde- .. pendent interest in this matter and not (b) and (c). In 1984 Air India did not leave entirely to Air India. For example, find the proposal feasible due to operational I find last year from West Bengal alone constraints. In respect of 1985, the question 600 people had gone by air and 2100 pilgrims does not arise. had gone by sea. But this year, for some 3 Oral Answers AUGUST 14. 1985 Oral Answers 4
reason -of course, I do not make the Minis- to Andaman and Nicobar Islands with the ter responsible for that -there has been a condition that it would be made available fall in the number of ship voyages from at the time of Haj Pilgrimage. So far as Bombay and availability of ships or some additional factors are concerned, 1 shall
thing with the result that this year only 661 read out the facilities which have been given _.s pilgrim~ were allowed to go from West in this regard : Bengal by ship after reaching Bombay and waiting there and the rest of them had to [English] go by air. It must have put them to great inconvenience and difficulty because of the 1. Air India is giving 1 per cent of crowding at Bombay. Does the Government the aircraft capacity gratis to the not feel that in an important matter like Haj Committee; this which relates to one of the main func .. 2. is allowing free carriage of tions of an important minority community It one can of Zum Zum water up- in this country, the Government should try to the weight of 10 kg per to take some interest and make some arrange- pilgrim. ment if enough people are there to fill up more than one Air India plane-they can 3. Haj Committee's equipment upto fill up several Air India planes. The figures 500 kg will be transported free given by the Hon. Minister are more reveal- of cost between Jeddah and India it:lg. So some arrangement should be made in both directions. and they should not be put to this difficulty. I would like to know whether the Govern- 4. Free package allowance upto ment is considering the matter or simply 35 kg per passenger would be left it to Air India to decide. allowed as against 20 kg on Saudia. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: So far as this year is concerned, no request was recei- 5. Excess baggage charges over 35 ved from the State Haj Committee. But, kg recovered from passengers by in any case, when in future a request comes, Air India will be paid to the we will definitely examine. Haj Committee.
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SHRI BALKAVI BAIRAGI : Hon. These facilities are given by Air India Speaker, Sir, I want to know from the Hon. alone. Saudi Air Lines have refused to ex- Minister the extent to which you are increas- tend these facilities. ing the facilities for the Haj Pilgrims in the country as a whole and to which facilities [English] you are going to pay special attention? SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL : Sir, since SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: Sir, so the Question relates to Calcutta airport I far as the facilities are concerned, the Mughal would like to ask a sU'ppJementary which Lines Limited which is under the Central should not be rejected by the Minister. Is it Government dealt with it previously and that a fact that British Airways are thinking of ,,~ompany is dealing with it at present also. stopping .. Earlier two Pani ke hawaijahaz used to leave for Jeddah, one of them was named 'Noorjahan' and the other was named MR. SPEAKER: Not relevant. 'Akbar'. Sorry, Sir, ships used to sail .. SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS : Sir, I MR. SPEAKER: Are there Pan; ke would like to bring to the notice of tbe hawaijahaz now-a-days ? Minister another area, namely, Cochin from where Haj pilgrims go out. I would lik~ to SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: So far as know what facilities are given there. Secon- the ships "M. B. Noorjahan" is concerned, dly, I would like to point out that there are that has been sent for scrapping and so far regular Trjvandrum-Gulf flights but the as 'Akb~r' i~ ~9.Qcerned, it ~as been sol~ ou~ ~har,es levied by Air Jndm ~ro more than Orai Answers SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Oral Answers 6
that of other airlines. Has the Government (c) The Central assistance available for received any complaint in this respect? the States' Seventh Plan has been allocated amongst the various States on the basis of MR. SPEAKER: Not relevant. the Modified Gadgil Formula. There is no provision in the Plan for allocating special SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS: What is assistance to the States outside the Gadgil difference of charges levied by Air India Formula. between Trivandrum and Jeddah ? Secondly, win he provide more facilities ? PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I would like to know from the Hon. Minister MR. SPEAKER: It does not pertain to is it not a fact that because of large number this question. It is irrelevant. You can put of industrial establishments in the city of a separate question. If he has not got the Bombay through Income Tax, Excise Duty, information how can he give it. Custon1s Duty and a number of other sources the Government of India is able to Special Assistance to Mabarashtra get a large quantum of revenues from the city of Bombay as a result of these establish- + ments? In spite of that, very inadequate *327. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: amount of Rs. 50 crores is granted for the SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA : Seventh Plan period keeping in mind the development of Bombay. Apart from this, Will the Minister of PLANNING be the Hon. Minister knows that according to pleased to state : 1981 census Bombay's population is 82.37 lakhs and if you want to understand us as (a) whether the Maharashtra State to how maoy from different parts of the Government had requested the Planning country come to Bombay, the 1977 census Commission to give a special assistance of shows 56.86% of population which includes Rs. 1000 crores to the State in the Seventh the p~pulation coming from different parts Five Year Plan for the development of of Maharashtra itself-I don't distinguish Bombay city which is facing several problems tbat- come to Bombay City. My specific due to exce~sive congestion; question is that in the light of very construc- tive and concrete suggestions made by the (b) if so, whether it is a fact that the Prime Minister that fo); all the metropolitan Planning Commission bas tigreed to provide cities, whether it is Delhi, Calcutta or Central assistance of Rs. 50 crOfes only for Bombay, the best way to prevent the con- the development o~ Bombay; and gestion in these cities is to develop counter- magnets away from those cities so that (c) if so, whether Government would people coming from different parts of the reconsider the decision and make a higher country would be attracted to those counter- allocation to Maharashtra State for the magnets and not to magnets like us and development of Bombay city? thereby congestion can be avoided. If the suggestions is to be implemented, is it not THE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY necessary that the Planning Commission, of TO THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI which the Chairman happens to be the Prime OSCAR FERNANDES): (a) Yes, Sir. Minister, should consider the proposal given by the Prime Minister himself- that means (b) Central assistance to States is not he has to address himself-and see that not given for specific projects/programmes but is only the meagre amount of Rs. 50 crores given as block assistance for the Plan of should be given to Bombay but a greater the State as a wh",le, under the modified amount should be allocated so that there is Gadgil Formula. Under this Formula, 10 no demand and what is the use of blaming per cent of the Central assistance is alloca- some organisation who said let there be a ted for specific problems of tite States and cut-off line and let not the population also a sum of Rs. 50 erores has been provided come in? If that slogan is to be avoided, to Maharashtra for the Seventh Plan period, is it not necessary f or the Centre to take k~pins in view the special problems of care of the expenses required for develop'jng development of Bombay city. this counter-magnets around the cities iik~ , Oral Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Oral Answers 8
Calcuttta, Bonlbay and Delhi so that this want the Centre's intervention, for instance, problem can be adequately tackled ? connecting the main Bombay line with the counter-olagnate so that the Thana bridge THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJlV and a railway line are built up. For that, GAMDHI) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, the points Manpur-Bclapur railway line is to be con- which Shri Daodavate has raised, are very structed Already there is a metropolitan valid a nd a lot of work has to be done in project a nd the Railway Minister says tha t Bombay. He is right that a very large at present it is not possible to sanction any percentage tax collections come from of additional money and therefore there will be Bombay. But I would like to point out that a counter-magnet. But there will be no much of the collections come because the method of connecting onc pole of the magnet headquarters of companies are in Bombay, to the other. In such cases, in addition to not necessarily because the productivity is in whatever is needed from the Maharashtra Bombay. revenue, we also need the assistance from the Central agencies like Railways and for SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Black- that more allocation from the Centre would money also comes from Bombay. be required. There is one more aspect. I will ask that question also; we get rarely SHRI RAJIV GANDHI : I would like to such opportunities . (interruptions). It is very point out that the development of cities in re1evant. Why are you obstructing? Rights th~ States is a Stare subject and Maharashtra of the Members are to be defended by each has got one of the largest allocations in the other on b0th the sides; I will also help you. Seventh Plan, that is, Rs. 10,500 crores during 1985-90 and the central assistance to ]f people are coming from outside, rather Maharashtra in this Plan is Rs. 2441 crores than banning the entry there is one more which is an increase of 71 per cent over the method. If the economic imbalance and central assistance in the Sixth Plan. I would regional imbalance between various States is also like to point out that not only the removed and also the hinterland of the cities Centre gets a large amount of tax collections like Bombay and Calcutta is developed, in frolll B~:11bay but so does Maharashtra and that case, some beautiful people from regions some money of Maharashtra should be put like Konkan region will not comt: to Bombay into Bombay. but for the development of backward regions in all the States adequate amount is not PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, available from the Centre. Will they review Shri Banatwalla is not here and his name is the entire problem? The Prime Minister shown against this question. Can I put two happens to be the Chairman, Planning Com- additional questions? mission also. Let me remind him to give better allocations for this so that this pro- MR. SPEAKER: We wiJJ cross the blem, which has become a national problem bridge when it comes. can be solved adequately. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, my second supplementary is this. The Prime MR. SPEAKER: You have now asked Minister has now thrown the ball into the four questions. court of the Maharashtra Government. I would like to put it back into his court. Is it SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: Including Shri not a fact that there are certain aspects of Banatwallaji's. the counter-magnet to be built up round about Bombay, Calcutta, etc. where the Basically, two points have been raised by Centre's intervention and assistance are Dandavateji. One is on the connection of necessary? I will put a ~ ·ncrete question. new Bombay and old Bombay. This is a For instance, the Maharashtra Government very vital question; connections must be has already taken the lead in building up new there links must be there, but equal for the Bombay. That is also a counter-magnet. survi~al of Bombay and to any economic Of course, that pole of magnet after all will input is the ecological survival of Bo~bay. further expand. That is my opinion. But If Bombay is going to be killed by chemicals, anyway the counter-magnet is already develop· by fumes, by overcrowd ing, by just not being ing. Now, if that is to be made effective, we able to meet the load that is being put on the 9 Oral Answers SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Oral Answers to city in various ways, if the ecology of the MR. SPEAKER: It has already been area is not going to be able to sustain that, answered, It is according to the Gadgil then we will not have achieved anything. formula. One of the factor which is coming in the ,\ay and which is causing a problem is the P~OF. MADHU DANDAVATE: The ecological factor. We will see what we can Gadgil formula haS been modified, we need do by keeping all these factors in mind, and further modification. how Bombay can develop best and how we can help it best. MR. SPEAKER: You need something and you wish for something more. That is The second point that DandavateJi different. raised, 1 am not quite clear, what exactly he meant, because he said that economic im- SHRI RAJlV GANDHI: I understand balance must be set right. As all Members that he wants the Gadgil Formula to be are aware, Maharashtra is one of our most modified. advanced States. Does Dandavateji means ... MR. SPEAKER: That is what it is. What more does he want? PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Let me clarify \\ hat I said. \Vhat I said was PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Let about backward regions outside Mahar2shtra. Shri Y.N. Gadgil also know about it. I want Keraia to be develored~ I want SHRI RAJIY GANDHI: You want a Madhya Pradesh. ~1arath\\'ada to be deve- new Gadgil Formula. loped, so that those people would not be required to come to such a distance. They PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: would be accommodated there. Younger Gadgil, Sir.
SHRI RAJIY GANDHl: appreciate SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: This is a very the sentiments and that is precisely why we large question and it would be difficult to do not have mOre money to allocate to give an immediate answer on modifications or Bombay. changes in the Gadgil Formula, just like that.
SHRI SHARAD DIGHE: As has been SHRI MURLI DEORA: Today one- stated, according to the census t1gures, about, rourth of the total population lives in big 52.86 per cent, of population of Bombay has cities anJ by the end of the century, one- come by way of migration: I would like to third of the total population will live in the point out to the Government that out of this, cities. If we see in the Planning Commission, 58 per cent have cOJr.e from the other parts there is hardly a Department for Urban of the country, not from Mahar2shtra. Development and Housing. The Prime Everybody has got the fundamental right Minister has said that as per the modified according to the Constitution to go any- Gadgil Fornlula, the amount of money which where; we cannot stop any body from going is collected from Bombay and the State is to Bombay. Looking from all aspects, the allocated to the Maharashtra State. But Sir. problems of Bombay are getting increased only 10 per cent of the specific amount can due to migration from other parts of the be given to the project. 1 would request the country to Bombay. The housing problem Prime Minister whether he will consider to there has become so acute. Only yesterday, increase this 10 per cent to 20 per cent, so a building collapsed and 5'2 persons have that more money can be given for the specific died there. The Maharashtra Governnlent is projects of Bombay from the Maharashtra not in a position to cope up with the repair Budget itself. prublems of the dilapidated houses within their small revenues. Therefore, this amount MR. SPEAKER : It is a suggestion. Shri of Rs. 50 crores which has been allotted to Ramshray Prasad Singh, what do you want Bombay as special assistance is very small. to ask? Wbat are the basis on which this Rs. 50 crore figure has been arrived at by the PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: The Government. Minister did not get up to reply. 11 Oral Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Orai Answers i2
SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: There was no [Translation] question in that. SHRIMATI USHA CHOUDHARY: Mr. Speaker, Sir, The Hon. Minister has [Translation} stated in her reply that the basic features for the year 1984-85 remain unchanged, but SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH: keeping in view the condition of Adivasis, Mr. Speaker, Sir, today the urban popula- there is a need to bring about changes in it. tion is fast increasing and as such it has Therefore, I want to know what are the become necessary to check it. Have Govern- criteria for giving Special Central Assistance ment any scheme for development of rural and whether there is a machinery for moni- areas to check this increasing population ? toring the expenditure to see that it is properly spent; if so, what is the nature [English] thereof?
MR. SPEAKER : There is nothing more SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA: to this question. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the first criterion for giving Special Central Assistance is the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE population of Adivasis in the Tribal Sub MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI K.R. Plan Area, the second is the geographical NARAY ANAN): Sir, I would liktl to area under the Tribal Sub-Plan and the mention one point. third is their backwardness. So far as the question of machinery far monitoring is MR. SPEAKER: On the question of concerned, every State has a monitoring cell Shri.·-Itamashray Prasad Singh? for this purpose where monitory is done. The Home Ministry has also a monitoring SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN: On Sbri cell of its own, where generally project report Murli Deora's question Sir. are reviewed. These reports are received from each State. The Planning Commission and the Home Ministry also monitor the MR. SPEAKER: I do not think there Progerss Report jointly and point out the is anything to it. shortcomings and achievements to each State.
SHRIMATI USHA CHOUDHARY: Ceatral Assistance for Tribal Sub- PIaD Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Hon. Minister, in + reply to my question, has explained the ·328. SHR.IMATI USHA position about the monitoring cell. I do CHOUDHARY: not want to expreiS any doubts about that SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL: but I want to know from her only this much Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS that what is the number of families which were be pleased to state the main features of the lifted above the poverty line during the Special Central Assistance for tribal sub-plan Sixth Five Year Plan? Did you conduct any survey in this regard? What is the for 1985-86 ? criterion on the basis of which you consider a family to have been lifted above the poverty THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE line, on the basis of which you co~ld claim MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- that this is the number of families lifted MATI RAM DULARI SINHA): Special above the poverty Hne ? Besides, what target Central Assistance for Tribal sub-plan is an has been fixed for the Seventh Five Year additivt; to State Plan efforts. This basis Plan ? feature remains unchanged in the year 1985-86 also. This assistance is sought to fill critical gaps in tribal development programmes SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA: especially in implementing family oriented Mr. Speaker, Sir, the target for the Sixth programmes. The tentative allocation for the Five Year Plan was to lift 27 lakh Adivasi year 1985-86 is Rs. 140 crores which re- families above the poverty line, but assistance presents an increase· of about 11.50 per cent was given to 39 lakhs and 66 thousand over 1984 .. 85 lev4l. families and target fixed for the Seventh 13 Oral Answers SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Oral AnlWers 14
Five Year Plan is to lift 40 1akh Adivasi Home Ministor consider to provide funds in families above the poverty line. In all, there the tribal sub-plan for meeting the expen- are approximately 5.5 crore Adivasis in the diture on frequent air services with freight cauntry. So far as the question of conduct- subsidy? ing, a survey is concerned, no economic survey of this nature has been conducted. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS However, sometimes, such evaluation studies (SHRI S. B. CHAV AN) : So far as 'the are undertaken by the Tribal Research first part of the question is concerned about Institute in some pockets. the marketing facilities and air lifting of some of the agricultural produce from the tribal {English] areas to marketing places, this matter is being put forward for the first time and we SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL: I have to examine it. I do not think that this would like to know from the Hon. Minister is going to be entirely the problem of the what percentage of the tribals in different tribals. There can be a large number of nOD- States of the country has been covered by tribals who most probably would like to the tribal sub-plan programme? What is the 18 ke advantage of the travel facility and also programme of the Government to bring such the air lifting of the produce. If concrete tribal population under the tribal sub-plan suggestion is being sent by the State Govero- programme? If there is any misappropria- ment, certainly we can get it examined. The tion what steps is Government taking against same thing will apply to the other part of them? the question.
SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA : SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: The Sir, at the end of the Sixth Five Year Plan, Integrated Tribal Development Project areas only about 75 per cent of the tribals were are now comprising of a contiguous single covered under the Tribal sub-plan pro- unit and cluster of villages having more than gramme. In areas of geographical concentra- 50 per cent of Scheduled Tribe population. tion of Sheduled Tribes, appropriate Deve- As such, the State of West Bengal could now lopment programmes suited to the area and cover only 40 per cent of tribal plan, against people had been taken up in an integrated 75 per ce!1t through out the country. So, to 181 manner through ITDPS. The tribal remove this anomaly, will Government of population merged along with general India consider enlarging the coverage of population have been tackled through 245 tribal population by relaxing the norm from special projects covering the pockets of tribal 50 per cent to 25 per cent, or by adopting concentraf on. 72 tribes were also identified an SCP approach to cover all the ST as primitive tribes for special attention. The population ? remaining 25 per cent of tribal population will be covered during the 7th Plan through a "Cluster Approach Programmes". SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA: This does not concern only West Bengal. SHRI SUKH RAM: Sir, the tribal The tribal sub-plan strating cover 17 States areas of Himachal Pradesh and Jdmmu and and two Union Territories. These have been Kashmir have got tremendous potential for covered by this programme; and I can very growing commercial crops I ike seed pota toe~, wen inform the Hon. Member that the umpteen vegetables and fruits etc., but their Working Group on Development of Schedu- marketing is not possible due to long led Tribes during Seventh Plan has recom- distances and the road communication mended the lowering of this norm of total problem. So in view of this fact, may I kno'v population of 10,000 that was there formerly, from the Hon. Home Minister whether she wo- to 5,000 under the Cluster Approach Pro- uld consider expansion of air lift of such pro- gramme". I have already said it. Under this duce as part of the Special Central Assistance approach, more such Scheduled Tribes in tribal sub-plan in order to ameliorate the remaining under tribal sub-plan and model economic condition of the tribal peopJe? programme are expected to be covered. Secondly these areas remain cut off from the rest of the world for about 6-7 months SHRI BASUDEB ACHA"R1A : Has aay jp ~ rear d~e 10 ~avy snowfaH. So wiJJ tbe evaluation ~n made ? 1S Ora' AnSM'ers AUGUST 14, 1985 Oral Answers 16
SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA: Chulhas and purchasing pressure cookers I said that at the end of every five-year with a view to saving fuel wool; Plan, evaluation and monitoring is made; and thereafter, we proceed to another five-year (c) if so, the details thereof; and plan. Perochial monitoring and review are (d) if not, the reasons therefor? made at various level otherewise also as I have mentioned earlier. [English] {Translation] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA: MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- ReceGtly, the Hon. Prinle Minister has NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS visited the tribal areas and have seen the OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC problems being faced by the Adivasis. I ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS want to express my thanks to the Hon. (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) to (d) Prime Minister on behalf of these people Assessments have been made regarding the that he is keeping himself in t,]uch with saving possible in fuel wood consumption their problems by going there personally, through the use of improved chulhas. A There is a Tribal Sub-Plan for area deve- National Prograrnme for the propagation of lopment for Adivasis under which hospitals. Inlproved Chulhas has been launched since roads etc. are constructt'd and all tribal December, 1983. During the period ending people benefit therefrom. I want to know 31. ~.] 985, 8.12 Iakh chulhas were installed from the Hon. Minister whether there is a throughout the country (against a target of proposal to formulate a Fami1y Benefit 5 lakh). These chulhas are estimated to be Scheme in the Seventh Plan by making saving about 600~OOO tonnes of fuel wood suitable changes in the Family Development per year valued at about Rs. 24 crores per Scheme? year. Out of these, 40577 chulhas were installed in the Central Himalayan Region SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA: namely the hilly areas of Uttar Pradesh and With regard to the Family Benefit Scheme, HimJchal Pradesh~ saving about 30,000 I have already said that the target has been tonnes of fuel \vood per year. The current raised to cover 40 lakh families. So far as year's national target is to install 6 lakh the Hon. Minister going round the huts of chuJhas. The fixed models of improved the Adivasis and Harijans and making efforts chu!has are fully subsidised and the portable to raise their standard of living and thus models are substantiaUy subsidised by the kindling a new hope in them is concerned, Central Government. There is no proposal the Hon. Prime Minister has calJed a nlC'et- at present to give grants to the people for ing of the Ministers in the Home Ministry purchasing pr(s"ure cookers. on the evening of the 23rd and the orders which he wilJ give, will be given effect to in SHRI HARISH RAWAT : Mr. Speaker, Seventh Five Year Plan. Sir. Governn1ent is spending a huge amount on the development of alternate sources of Smokeless ChuIhas for Central energy, but its expected impact is not visible Himalayan Region in the Himalayan region. Therefore, I would like to know from the Hon. Minister whether 329. SHRI HARISH RAW AT: Will in view of the importance of Himalayan the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Region and also with a view to reducing the state : pressure of fire-wood on the forests, he (a) whether Government have made any would set· up a separate agency which may assessment of the quantity of fuel wood work for the expansion of a lternate sources which could be saved in case smokeless of energy in that area and giving subsidy etc. chulhas and pressure Cookers' are used by to the people? the people living in the Central Himalayan region; SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: It is why these alternate sources are being put to use (b) whether Government are formulating in hilly areas. Many steps have already been any scheme for providing grants to the taken in this regard such as, development of people of this region for installing smokeless a new type of 'chulha'. Besides, other steps, 17 Oral Answers SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18
like production of energy from Gobar-gas it is 75 per cent and at some places it is SO and production of solar energy and other per cent. We shall provide subsidy to types of energy, have been taken there. This whosoever wants to use it. Bio-gas plants works has been done with the assistance of in huge number cannot be installed in l)illy State Ghvernment and other private agencies. areas. However, wind energy can be used at But, it would not be possible to set u'p a some places there; in addition solar energy separate organisation or agency at present can also be used. We endeavour to do all fo look after this work. In fact, it seems these things and State Government's help is that whatever we are doing in this direction very much needed in this task, because we at present is yielding good resu1ts and we intend to formulate a plan to supply the shall endeavour to expand it further. machinery to every village and to' every household and effort will also be made to SHRI HARISH RAWAT : Sir, what I provide financial assistance and the needed meant to say was the State Governments scientific guidance. have to do this work in a very large area, but proper analysis of the special geo- SHRI HARISH RAWAT : I had asked graphical location of the States which fall in whether you would also consider raising the this Himalayan Region is not done and as amount of subsidy for the hilly areas? such the ratio of subsidy being given in such SHRI SHIVRi\J V. PATIL: I have States in the same as given to other States. already told you that the chulah is being 1 would like to submit to the Hon. Minister given free of cost and, therefore, there is no that due to special geographical location of question of subsidy. hilly areas, comparative1y more money is required to be spent there on the develop- [English] ment of alternate sources of energy. For instance, for setting up of a bio-gas plant in SHRI P. K. Thungon : There is an old hilly areas. many times more expenditure saying right from the Vedic time that to is involved as compared to the plains. control Himalayas is to control India. Therefore, I would like to know from the Himalayas can be controlled if forest is Hon. Minister whether Government would preserved, and the floods and other natural consider raising the amount of subsidy with calamities which are caused from Himalayas a view to facilitating its expansion in hilly can also only be controlled if Himalayas are areas? taken care of. Keeping this point in view, I wou1d like to know from the Hon. SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: I have Minister, one thing. As tbe fuel requirements already stated that not a single paisa is in the cold places in the Himalayan region required to be spent by anybody on the are tren1endous, and as most of the people chulah as its entire cost is borne by Govern- are suffering because of want of fuel, to mtnt. Apart from bearing the cost of this compensate them and to give an alternative chulah, Government also bear the cost of source of energy for them, how many gas its transporation from one place to an- agencies ha ve been given so far in the other. Himalayan region?
SHRI HARISH RAWAT I have also Secondly, because there are places like spoken about other States. Ladakh where the temperature is almost always minus, to provide warmth to those SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: The Hon. places how many schemes are there and what Prime Minister has directed us that as many type of research is going on to provide them chulah may be supplied as required by the electricity through power generation or people. We propose to gear up this work in through other alternatives? order to push up the number of chulahs to be installed in future. SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL : As far as the gas agencies are concerned, I am not So far as the development of alternate in a position to give the number. And I sources of energy and installation of bio-gas do not think· that by giving gas agencies plants is concerned, we are giving a large we would be able to protect things like amount of subsidy for that-at some places that. 19 Oral Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Oral Answers 20
The socond part of the question relates approval. I would like to know whether the to what has been done in Ladakh. I would State Government have requested for any like to submit that in Ladakh we are trying central assistance, if so the details. Along to use photo-voltic technology and even other with that, I would like to know from the alternatives. Hon. Minister whether there is any scheme with the Central Gov~rnment to provide MR. SPEAKER : Next Question, Shri financial assistance if some State Govern- T. Basheer. ments come forward with schemes to prevent pollution in lakes and rivers in the country AN HON. MEMBER: You please give and if so, I would like to know the details me an opportunity. from the Hon. Minister.
MR. SPEAKER : Let everyone in the SHRI VIR SEN : The question relates House have a chance to say something. to Dal lake and so I will confine to that only. The State Government of Jammu and Kashmir has requested for an assistance of "Pollution in Dal Lake, Kashmir" Rs. 21 crores for pollution control in the Dal Lake whereas the budget of the Central *330. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the Government for curbing air pollution is only PRIME :rvflNISTER be pleased to state: Rs. 28 crores. So it is not possible for the Central Government to provide so much (a) whether the Dal Lake in Kashmir, money. a -major tourist attraction, both for inland as well as foreign tourists, is losing its The request has been received by the attraction due to pollution and heavy silting; Ministry of Works and Housing which has and passed it on to the Department of Environ- ment. We have communicated to the Ministry (b) if so~ whether Government of India of Works and Housing that it is not possible propose to undertake a suitable project for to provide so much assistance. the purpose of maintaining the importance of this tourist spot? MR. SPEAKER: It is a case of musical chair. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE l\fINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND SHRI T. BASHEER -: Pollution has be- FORESTS (SHRT VIR SEN) : (a) Yes, Sir. come the concern of the entire nation. The Operation Ganga schen1e is welcomed and (b) No, Sir. But the State Government appreciated by the people of India. There of Janlmu and Kashmir have a scheme for are other rivers in India like the Yamuna, making the lake poilution free. Its com- the Cavery, the Godavari and in Kerala the ponents inel ude : Periyar. I would like to know whether any Construction of stone pitched bund comprehensive study is available with the along }Jeriphery to check encroachment; Central Government on the pollution problem construction of settling basin to arrest of rivers and lakes; if so, do the Government silt before it enters the lake; selective propose to formulate any scheme for pro- deveeding to control \veed growth; removal tecting these lakes and rivers from pollution of obstructions to improve water circulation; and other hazards? Soil conservation in the catchment area; and relocation of houseboats in proper SHRI VIR SEN: The Government of India would like to take steps for pollution order ;;0 as to connect these with a sewarage system. control in all lakes and rivers, but there are financia 1 constraints. We will take up these SHRI T. BASI-lEER: I am backing the measures in phases whenever funds are House from the Himalayan mountains to the available. Kashmir Valley. SHRI D. N. REDDY: Kashmir bas been In the statement the Hon. Minister stated famous for two things-lion of Kashmir that the State Government has submitted a and Oat Lake. The lion uf Ka~hmir is no scheme to the Central Government for its more. Are you goinig to allow the Dal Lake 21 (}ral Answers SRAVANA 23,1907 (SAKA) Oral Answers to go the same way? Very recently the (b) Alternative arrangements for mobili- Prime Minister has taken up a gigantic sation of resources are under consideration. project of purification of holy Ganga. Com- pared to that it is only a miniature project (c) Any cut in telecommunication plan which has to be taken up immediately. would affect the Electronics industry pro- Without Dal Lake tourism trade in Kashmir gramme as telecommunication forms nearly will be negligible. Will the Hon. Minister 40 per cen t of the electronics plan. take immediate steps to purify the Dal Lake and make it more attractive? SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN SINHA: I am glad that there is an assurance SHRI VIR SEN: The State Government that though the Planning Commission had is taking steps in this direction. Certain imposed a cut in the Plan allocations the steps have already been taken by the Govern- Government will explore other sourc~s for ment. It has spent Rs. 8.5 crores on this raising the resources for the Tele-comrnunica- so far. ' tions Department. I would like to know whether with the increasing adoption of Physical Targets for electronics digital system in the tele-com- Telecommunications munication the denland for its components will grow. I would also like to know what *333. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN plans are being made to manufacture the SINHA: ",Yill the PRIME MINISTER be components here and whether it is a fact that pleased to sta te : the French Collaborator, Alkalton and Thampson, is insisting on a large per- (a) whether his Department's spokes- centage of components being imported from man has claimed that the physical target of France. telecommunications original plan of Rs. 12,000 crores would be maintained; SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: Sir, we have given 3 letters of intent for manufactur- (b) if so, how this is sought to be done ing the digital equipment for this purpose. when the financial outlay has been cut down; As to the insistence of the company and from France, I think we will take a decision in an appropriate manner. They may put (c) whether any cut in telecom. plan forth their point of view and we will take a would affect the electronics industry pro- decision in the manner which is useful to us. gramn1e to raise output to Rs. 10,000 crores by 1990 ? SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN SINHA: Sir, the reply is not clear. I wanted THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to know whether the Governr:- cnt policy is MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- to increase the percentage of components NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS manufactured in India. Anyway, Since the OF OCEAN DEVELOP~.1ENT, ATO!\1IC telecommunication is becoming more and ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS more electronic oriented and the Electronics (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): la) to (c). Department is having a great say in the A Statement is laid on the Table of the matter the result is that telecommunication Lok Sabha. engineers are having some kind of resent- ment. I would like to know whether there Statement is any proposal either to transfer the tele- communications department to the Electronics (a) The Department's Spokesman bad Department or to evolve some method of stated that the original plan allocation for coordination bt:tween the two. the Department of Telecommunications has been curtailed. However, efforts were being SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: We have a made to mobllise resources through other plan to indigenise these components and means so that large scale reduction in the the equipn1ents in the country and Telecommunication plan does not become take it to the level of 80 per cent. necessary. By the end of the next Plan we may be 23 Oral Answers AUGUS'f 14~ 1985 Oral AMwers 24 required to import 20 per cent of the equip- reduce damage because of denudation aqd ment and components, but 80 per cen twill floods? be produced in our country. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE At present there is quite good coopera- MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND tion and coordination between the two FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN): (a) Preli- departments and at present the status quo is miniary studies are under way in respect of being maintained. rivers Krishna, Brahmaputra, and Brahmani.
[Translation] (b) Projects similar to Ganga will be undertaken when funds are available. SHRI PRATAP BHANU SHARMA: (c) Yes, Sir. The Hon. Minister has stated in his reply that electronic goods worth about Rs. 10,000 [Trans/ation] crores would be produced indigenously by the year 1990. Imported components are being SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: Mr. allo\Ved during the current plan as also under Speaker, Sir, I agree that no work can be C.K.D. and S.K.D. Plan. I would like to taken up as long as funds are not available, know whether this process will continue till but the question of the Ganga is all the the end of 1990 and what will the quantunl more important. There are 10,000 industries of our indigenous production out of this located around the Ganga right from production worth Rs. 10,000 crOfes by that Rishikesh-Haridwar to the Bay ()f Bengal time? and their effluents are discharged into the Gapga. The factories of BHEL and IDPL SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: Sir, I have are located at Haridwar and their effluents just replied to this question that we are are discharged into the Ganga. Likewise, 10 giving permission to the companies which thousand factories discharge their effluents want to set up industry for the manufacture into the Ganga and thus pollute it. If of equipn1ent and component. Letters of you enforce the law stringently, the intent have been issued, licences would be pollution can be reduced. Similarly, issued. All these taken together, 80 per cent the sewers are also discharged into the river of the total production would be produced and this coupled with the discharge of indus- indigenously. It is also possible that 20 per trial effluents causes a lot of pollution. At cent of components would have to be one place, an opium factory is located whose imported. We have already taken the neces- water flows into the Ganga. The monkeys sary steps in this direction and we are con- of that particular place have become habi- fident that we would be able to achieve this tual of drinking that water. Thus, the~e is target. need to enforce the laws stringently so as to ban such factories. BHEL and IDPL located at Haridwar are the factories of the Central "Pollution of Rivers" Government. What effective steps have been taken to check pollution of Ganga caused by + these factories? Likewise, what steps have *334 SHRI BANWARILAL PUROHIT: been taken to stop the sewage from flowing DR. G. VIJAY RAMA RAO : into the Ganga? What steps are proposed Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to be taken to check pollution in these three to state: rivers?
(a) the details of the rive:-s other than [English] Ganges on which the Pollufon will be re- moved in the first instance; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE M1NISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (b) time by which the authorities would FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN) : First of aU we like to take up the work on all rivers other are persuading the industries to take some than Ganges in the country; and preventive measures, but in certain cases when we find that the units are recalcitrant, (c) whether Government win give equal we take rigorous action against them and importance to afforestation in the hills to prosecute them. 25 Writ ten Answers SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 26
In the case of state Government cor- during the year 1985-86 to cover more cities poration also we are asking them to come and jf so, the details thereof; in Hne and use adequate preventive measures. But I would like to say that the hon. Mem- (c) the number of aircrafts that are in the bers \are generally very nluch excited by the Vayuooot service at present; reports in the press. I would request that they should not be carried away by the press (d) whether there is any proposal to reports. increase their number during the year; and
[Translation] (e) if so, the details thereof? SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: Mr. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Speaker, Sir, in case Government is short MINISTRY OF TOURISf\1 AND CIVIL of funds, is there any proposal under AVIATON (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) consideration to get assistance from the Vayudoot is at present operating to World Bank for this purposr? Is it also Kandb, Surat :lnd Bha\ nagar in the State under consideration that this work should of Gujarat. Ahmedabad was also linked with be entrusted to some foreig:1 agency ~o that SUrat and Br:avnagar but the service was pollution of these ri vcrs could be checked '? withdrawn from Ahmedabad due to very poor load factor. [English]
SHRI VIR SEN : \\'c have received (b) \\ hile there is no proposal to airlink some offers from foreign countries and also n10re stations in Gujarat during 1985-86, from the World Bank. The details are not Vayudoot has plans subject to availability of yet available with us. \Ve will be examining infrastructure, acquisition of aircraft capacity them to find out whether it is feasible or and econon1ic viability of operations, to not. And if it is found feasible and accep- airlink Dwarka and Amreli during the table to the Government of India, we will current plan period. accept the assistance from foreign countries. (c) The details of aircraft that are in Vayudoot service at present are as under: Dr. G. VIJA Y A RAMA RAO : Sir, Ganga which has been described in the Aircraft Department of Environment Acticn Plan as .""'lumbers the holiest of the holy rivers of lndia is 1. HS-748 3 (on lease from IA) grossly polluted river ... 2. F-27 2 \on lease from IA) Mr. SPEAKER: Question Hour is over. 3. Dornier-228 4 jnc1uding one on lease from MIS. Druk Airways of Bhutan)
WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (d) and (e). Vayudoot is likely to acquire 3 more Dornier 228 aircraft during [Englisn] the current financial year.
Vayudoot Serl'ice in GUjarat (Translation] *326. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: Wilt the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL "ride Publicity to Va yudoot Service AVIATION be pJeased to state : * 331. SHRI VISHNU MODI: Will the (a) the names of cities covered by third Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL air-line 'Vayudoot Service' in Gujarat State A VI A TION be pleased to state : by the and af 1984-85; (a) whether Government give wide (b) whc ther there is any proposal to publicity while starting a new Vayudoot extend the Vayudoot Service in Gujarat service; 27 Written Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Amwers
(b) if so, whether very few passengers [Trans lation1 avail to the benefit of the recently started Vayudoot services; Return of Kohinoor
(c) if so, the pro~ramme chalked out * 335. SHRI R. M. BHOYE : Will the by the Government to give wider publicity Minister of CULTURE be pleased to State : while starting a new Vayudoot service; and (a) whether Government have carried on (d) if not, the reasons therefor? any correspondence with the British Govern- ment for the return of 'Kohinoor' diamond; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): (b) if so, the response of British Govern- (a) Vayudoot gives adequate publicity while 01ent in this regard ? starting a new service. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) No, Sir. Considering the gestation MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND period involved in new operations, the load TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE RE- factor of the ne\v services operated by FORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND Vayudoot has been up to expectations. PENSION AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO) : (c) and (d). Do not arise. (a) No, Sir.
[English] (b) Does not arise.
Subsidy to Encourage Growth of Hotel Industry [English]
*332. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD Environmental Management SETHI : Will the Minister of TOURISM *336. SHRI YASAWANT RAO AND CIVIL A VIA TION be pleassd to GADAKH PATIL : state: SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR:
(a) whether it is a fact that Government Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased have evolved a new scheme under which it to state: has been decided to give a subsidy of 5 per cent on loans and advances by financial (a) whether creation of public awareness institutions to encourage growth of the hotel is necessary for successful environmental industry; and management; and
(b; if so, the details of the scheme? (b) if so, what steps are being taken to educate the people about environment and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE its importance in day to pay life? MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV and (b). In order to encourage growth GANDHI) : (a) yes, Sir. of hotels of different categories the Govern- ment is considering a scheme of providing (b) Steps taken include interest subsidy on loans advanced by financial institutions to hotels of all catego- In corporating environmental themes in ries. Under the scheme 4 and 5-Star hotels educational curricula. will get an interest subsidy of 2 per cent; 3- Star hotels an interest subsidy of 3 per cent; Support to seminars, symposia, Work- 2-Star hotels at the rate of 4 p~r cent and shops and conferences. I-Star category of hotels will be entitled to an interest subsidy at the rate of 5 per cent. Organising essay, painting and photo- Other details of the scheme are yet to be graphy competitions for children on finalised. environmental themes. 29 Written Answers SRAVANA 23,1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 30
Production of films and audio-visuals. (b) if so, the reaction of Government to this change; and Organisation of co-development camps focusing on environmental activities and (c) whether this is expected to further themes. improve the relations between the two countries? Setting up of National MuseUln of Natural History (New Delhi) and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Centre for Environmental Education MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (Ahmedabad). (SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN) : (a) There is no shift in U. S. policy on military aid to Pakistan. We have noted that the Maintenance of Kanchanjunga latest Foreign Aid Authorisation Bill h~s National Park in Sikkim recommended some changes in respect to *337. SHRIMATI D. K. BHANDARI: certa in countries. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (b) and (c). The Government of India has expres sed its concern over the supply of (a) whether Government are aware that sophisticated arms to Pakistan on many the Kanchanjunga National Park in Sikkim occasions and at all levels. This supply, we is the highest altitude located National have pointed out to the US Government, Park in the world; and leads to diversion of scarce resources from developmef'lt to defence and leads to an (b) if so, the measures lroion Govern- arms race in the Sub-continent. An under- ment have taken to help maintain the Park standing by U. S. A. of India's concern so as to protect and preserve the flora and ever arms supply to the region will have a fauna there and also to attract tourists? positive impact on Indo-US relations.
THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV GANDHI): (a) The national park Dev.eJopment of Forest in Tribal encompassing the highest altitude in the Areas world is the Sagarmatha National Park in Nepal, which includes Mount Everest. *340. SHRI AMARSINH RATHWA : SHRI CHITTA MAHATA : (b,l Management of the National Park is the responsibility of the State Government. Will the PRIME M1NlSTER be pleased The Central Government have heen provid- to state: ing financial assistance since 1977-78 to the State Government of Sikkim, for the deve- (a) whether Government propose to set lopment of the Kanchanjunga National up an advisory panel for the development Park. During the Sixth Plan period an of forests in the country and particularly in amount of Rs. 11.37 lakhs was provided tribal arelJS; a:1d for this purpose. As the park is situated in a restricted area, it is not considered feasi- (b) if so, the details thereof and the time ble to attract tourists. by which it will be established and start functioning?
U. S. Policy on Military Aid THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV GANDHI) : (a) Yes, Sir. *338. SHRI B. V. DESAI: (b) The matter is under consideration of SHRI KAMAL NATH : the Government. Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Electronics Component Development Fund (a) whether there is a shift in U. S. policy on military aid to Pakistan and other *343 SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN: Will (:ountries; the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: 31 Written AnswerJ AUGUST 14,.1985 Written Answers 32
(a) whether the Seventh Plan working Y ADAV : Will the Minister of PLANNING group on electronics set up by the Planning be pleased to state: , Commission has recommended for setting up of a electronics component development (a) whether implementation committee fund to provide concessional credit to for the implementation of 20-Point Pro.. electronics components industry; gramnlc have been formulated in all the State: (\b) if so, the details thereof; and· (b) if so, whether Central Goveren1ent (c) the steps taken/proposed? have issued any guidelines regarding associa- tion of M.Ps.jM.L.As. belonging to THE MIN1STER OF STATE IN THE various parties on such committees; and MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- wheth~r various parties have not been given NOLOGY AND IN CfHE DEPARTMENT any representation therein; and OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ. V. PATIL): (a) to (c). (c) if so, the details thereof? A suggestion has been made in this regard but a final decision has yet to be taken. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI K. R. Incentive to Archaeological Sun·cy NARAYANAN): (a) Yes, Sir. Stall' (b) and (cl. The Planning Commission *344. SHRI DIGVIJAY SINH : \Vill has addressed all the Chief Ministers to the Minister of CULTURE be plel1sed to associate MPs and MLAs with the imple- state : mentation and Monitoring Committees for the 20-Point Programme. irrespective of (a) what incentives are gi\ en to the their party affiliation. All States have protection staff of the A rchaeoIogical Sur- appointed MPs and MLAs as Members of vey of India for protectin~ the monuments; the District/Block/TaJuka level Committees set up for the implementation and monitor- (b) in terms of money how much ing of the 20-Point Programme. amount has been d isbursl:d to such staff as an incentive during the last three years; and [English]
(c) whether there is any proposal to De'·eJopment of Primiti"e Tribes give a small percenlUge of the value of the relic to the p~rson ~:ho apprehends it from 3418. SHRI K. PRADHANI : Will the being stolen? Minister (;f HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to ~tate : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSOt'NEL AND (a) \vhether the Commission for Sche- TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE RE- duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes recom- FORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES mended in its Third Report that his AND PENSION AND IN THE DEPART- Ministrv should have a separate cell com- MENT OF CULTURE :/SHRI K. P. SINGH prising . specialists from different professions DEO) : (a) No incenthes are given to the to prepare urgently progress reports for staff engaged on protecting the monuments. primitive tribal groups and the Ministry should provide final~cial as well as other (b) D0es not arise. technical assistance; (c) There is no such proposal at present. (b) if so, the manner in which this re- commendation has been implemented and [Translation] the nature of assistance rendered or proposed .Implementation Committee for 20- to be rendered by his Ministry; Point Programme (c) whether the Commission also recom- 3417. SHR[ VUOy KUMAR mended that the progress of the development 33 Written Answers , SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 34 of primitive tribes shOl;lld be reviewed every Tree Plantation by Haryana two years at the national level; and 3420. SHRI CHINTA MOHAN: Will (d) if so, the action taken in the matter the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : and Whether any review has since been conducted? (a) whether Haryana also planted 10 crores tree plants last year (Hindustan 'THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Times dated 18th July, 1985); MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- MATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. (b) if so, how many of these survived;
(b) Suitable guidelines for preparation (c) what was the total number of trees of project reports for the identified primitive planted in the country and the number that tribal groups have been issued to the State survived; Governments. The instruction envisage pre- paration of these reports by an inter-disci- (d) whether Haryana is to earn Rs. 400 plinary team. Considerable progress in the crore a year from forests and if so, basis preparation of the reports has since been for this estimate; and achieved. Wherever necessary expert opinion (e) the total income from forests at on particular subjects is also obtained by the State Governments. present State-wise, including Union Territories? (c) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) This is already being don~ periodi- MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND cally and particularly at the time of Annual FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN) : (a) 9.61 Plan discussions. crore seedlings were planted in Haryana during 1984-85.
Expansion of Nehru Memorial (b) Survival of seedlings (as assessed Museum by the officers of this Department while undertaking monitoring of plantations) 3419. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: varies from 85-90 per cent. Will the Minister of CULTURE be pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred (c) About 264 crore seedlings were Question No. 4365 on 23 August, 1984 planted/distributed to public during 1984-85 regarding expansion of Nehru Memorial in the country. Museum and State : State-wise details of survival percentage (a) whether the construction of an as assessed by the officers of this Depart- annexe bas since been started; ment are given in the attached statement-I. (b) if so, by when the construction of annexe will be completed; and (d) On an average, 10 crore seedlings are planted per, annum in Haryana. Survival (c) if not, the reasons therefor? rate varies between 80-90 per cent. Based on the conservative survival rate THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE figure of 80' per cent and a price of Rs. SO/- MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND per tree (at 10 years of age) could result in TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE RE- an annual income of Rs. 400 crores, calculat- FORMS· AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES ed at present prices remaining constant. AND PENSION AND IN THE DEPART- MENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K. P, SINGH (e) Details are given in the attached. DEO) : (a) to (c). The work on the con- statement-II. struction of the annexe to the library build- iDa started June, J985 and is expected to be completed by the end of November, 1986. 3S Written Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Answers 36
Statement-I Statement-II
Total Revenue 1980-81 SI. No. State/Union 1984-85 Territory (Survival Sl. No. State/Union Revenue percentage) Territory (Rs. in round lakhs) 1. 2. 3 1. 2. 3. I. States: 1. Andhra Pradesh 65-99 I. States: 2. Assam 60-90 1. Andhra Pradesh 2896 3. Bihar 83-90 2. Assam 12 4. Gujarat 60-100 3. Bihar 1623 5. Haryana 85-90 4. Gujarat 1181 6. Himachal Pradesh 80-100 5. Haryana 269 7. Jammu & Kashmir 50-80 6. Himachal Pradesh 1672 8. Karna taka * 7. Jammu & Kashmir 34 9. Kerala 70-100 8. Karnataka 3776 10. ~adhya Pr3desh 70-90 9. Kerala 4580 11. Maharashtra 20-95 10. Madhya Pradesh 14086 12. Manipur 65-95 11. Maharashtra 5729 13. Meghalaya 60-95 12. Manipur N.A. 14. Nagaland 80-95 13. Meghalaya r 15. Orissa • 14. Nagaland 48 16. Punjab 80-95 15. Orissa 3726 17. Rajasthan NA 16. Punjab 404 18. Sikkim 90 17. Rajasthan 701 19. Tamil Nadu 75 18. Sikkim 63 20. Tripura 80-97 19. Tamil Nadu 1458 21. Uttar Pradesh 80-95 20. Tripura 109 22. West BengaJ 80-95 21. Uttar Pr~desh 4913 D. Union Territories: 22. West Bengal 1235 23. Andaman & Nicobar • II. Union Territories: Islands 1. Andaman & Nicobar 24. Arunachal Pradesh • Islands 515 25. Chandigarh 90 2. AruRachal Pradesh 383 26. Dadra & Nagar Haveli • 3. Dadra and Nagar 27. Delhi • Haveili 52 28. Goa, Daman & Diu. • 4. Delhi 29. Lakshadweep •• 5. Goa, Daman and Diu 197 30. Mizoram • 6. Mizoram 12 31. Pondicherry •• Total: 49,675 • Not Monitored during the period~ *. Not proposed to be monitored. ~1 Written Answerl SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written Anlwerl 38
ITDC Hotels in the Country (c) the amount of profit earned or the amount of loss suffered by each of these 3421. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: hotels during the years 1983-84 and 1984-85 '1 Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL' A VIATION be pleased to state ~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the total number of ITDC hotels MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL in the country; AVIA TION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): (a) to (c). Information is given in the (b) the percentage of capacity utilisa- statement attached. tion of each of these hotels during the years 1983-84 and 1984-85 separately; and
Statement
Name of the Hotel Room Occu- Net profit/loss ,..-____A ____...... pancy (%) 83-84 84-85 1983-84 1984-85 (Provisional) (Rs. in lakhs)
1. Ashok Hotel, New Delhi 43 47 3.10 6.36 2. Janpath, New Delhi 86 79 68.00 S8.00 3. Lodhi, New Delhi 66 65 23.16 28.86 ~ Ranjit, New Delhi 55 59 (-) 8.62 (-) 0.31 5. Ashok Bangalore 50 36 (-) 5.49 (-) 60.58 6. Akbar, New Delhi 44 34 (-) 18.01 (-) 59.37 7. Hassan Ashok 37 31 (-) 1.68 0.10 8. Jammu Ashok 30 24 (-) 2.32 (-) 4.32 9. Aurangabad Ashok 37 43 (-) 1.06 (-) 0.06 10. Khajuraho Ashok 23 23 [-) 3.34 (-) 2.23 11. Kovalam Ashok Beach Resor t 40 43 1.35 3.11 12. L VP Hote], Udaipur 72 63 11.65 6.27 13. Temple Bay Ashok Beach Resort Mamallapuram 34 43 (-) 3.22 (-) 3.12 14. Varanasi Ashok 38 35 0.34 (-) 3.25 15. Qutab, New Delhi 54 57 (-) 2.15 8.05 16. LMP Hotel, Mysore 39 47 (-) 1.09 5.39 17. Airport Ashok Calcutta 50 54 ·38.53 53.79 18. Patliputra Ashok Patna 39 40 (-) 9.48 (-) 7.97 19. Jaipur Ashok 43 47 (-) 3.75 (-) 3.09 20. Kalinga Ashok Bhubaneshwar 72 46 3.41 (-) 11.05 21. Madurai Ashok 30 30 (-) 6.67 (-) 6.35 22. Samrat, New Delhi 32 43 (-)206.67 (-) 128.91 23. Kanishk, New Delhi S6 4S 51.10 41.30 24. Ashok Yatri Niwas 88 66 (-) 14.18 16.63 AUGUST 14 .. 19~
Advertisements of Air India ENERGY, SPACE AND~ ELECTIlONICS '(SHRI SHIVRAJ v. PATIL): (a) There 3423. SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: are about 300 science and technology institu- Win the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL tions, including Central Government AVIATION be pleased to state: Organisations, autonomous bodies, in-house R&D Units of Public Sector U~dertakings (a) whether Air India gave any adver- and professional societies receiving grants tisements in co-operation with cigarette from the Government. There are also over companies recently in "India TodayH and 150 Science and Technology institutions "Swagath" etc.; and under various State Governments as well as. a large number of Universities and in-house (b) if so, details and the reasons for units in Private Sector engaged in develop- such advertisements with the anlount of ment of science and technology. expenditure incurred ? (b) and (c). Research institutions gene- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE rally have internal mechanism for analysis MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL and review of their achievements from time AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLO!): to time on a continuing basis. Our achieve- (a) & \b)p No, Sir. Travel House, a subsidIary ments in S & T are well recognised in areas of Indian Tobacco Company and an approved such as agriculture, atomic energy, space and 1. A. T. A. (International Air Transport communications, oil exploration etc. How- Association) agent, used Air India's name in ever, no country can be completely self their advertisements, for promoting their sufficient in technological know-how in all O\lthound tours, as is g\!nerally done by other areas. The know-how developed indigenously outbound tour operators. No expenditure is taken up for commercialisation eitht.r was incurred by Air India for these adver- directly by the concerned organisations or tisements. through National Research Development Corporation - a PubHc sector undertaking. Steps to Develop Scientific Institution (d) and (e). New scientific institutions are 3424. SHRI CHINT AMANI JENA: set up as and when the need for the same is Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to envisaged based on the recommendations of state: the expert committees set up for prom~ting (a) the number of research and develop- research in front line areas. In setting up re- ment institutions which are presently func- search institutions the basic requirement is tioning in the country for the development growing of appropriate scientists and tech- of science; nologists. By and large the country. bas lxen self reliant, in this regard though external (b) whether any analysis has been made advice and cooper~tion has been used wher- to know their achievements and efforts in ever necessary. making the country self-sufficient in know- how and in reducing foreign dependence in various fields to technology; Regional Arts Museum to Pre$erve Regional Art and Pai,~tingl
(c) if so, details thereof; 3425. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : Will the Minister of CULTUt,tE (d) steps being taken to develop more be pleased to state: science institutions; and (a) whether Government propose to (e) whether any for~ign help has teen preserve all the paintings and documents on sought in this field during the Ja~t three Art of Nandalal Bose and Jamini Ray in yea~ if so, the details thel cof ? National custody;
THE'MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether Government propose to MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- have regional arts museums to preserve such LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF precious national cultural documents in OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC various parts of Indiai SRA VANA 23. 191' (SAKA)
(c) if so, the details thereof; and (b) and ,(e). EKtont of.· as$iUaaac to,~! personnel: (d) if not, the reasons therefor? The, fa.Jlliljes of CRPF pets~l killed THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE while performing tbeir duties arc;.normaJ).y,
MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND entitled to receive pension undet > Exira~ TRAINING, ADMiNISTRATIVE RE- ordinary pension Rules. In addition., t~. FORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES famjlies ,of such CRPF personnel a1"4 giy~ AND PENSION AND IN THE DEPART- financial assistance from the CRPF :Central MENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K.P. SINGH Benevolent Fund, Central Welfare F~d; DEO) : (a) The National Gallery of Modern Battalion Welfare Fund, Risk Premia Fu~ Art, New Delhi under the Department of Government Grant under the new Group Culture bas acquired the whole collection of Insurance Scheme and GPF-Link IDsur~ 6144 works of Nandalal Bose and 156 art Scbeme. The Governm(.nts. of ManiPJJI a~ works of Jamini Ray. These are being Tripura have also been sanctioniJ)&~~ ~ presezyed. lumpsum grants in cases of casualties occurring in their respective States. (b) to (d). There is no such proposal under consideration of the Department of CRPF personnel who arc' invalidated Culture at present. out of service as a .result of in.j\ny sustained while performillg their duties. arc given [English] iny~ljd pension and gratuity as per rul~ a.D4 als,o lumpsum grants and monthly reCurpoa Assistance to Pensonnel CRP who assistance -from Central' Welfare FUnd 'aIKl SuJJered in Action Risk Fund. 3426. SHRI ZAINUL BASHER : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased After a review of th~ provisjpns -re1atmi to state: to family pension, gratuity etc., the Govern"· mf1\l~ Qf India in th".! Minis~i -.of, F~nce (a) the number of Central Reserve have i~ue.d jn~tructions. on 9tb No)(embcr. Police Officers. and employees who were 1984 tb~~ falllili~ of Gove~nt ~~
\illed, Injured on rendered handicapped (inclu4ing 1para-mqitacy for~ ii~~ C.Jt.. P,-:i' ..) while performing their duty in connection who die. while Performing the~AIft.ic;&~ .. with maintenance of law and order during resu,lt of attack: by. extreroi~~... aD~;-~ the last three years; elements etc. or during action against dac~i"" smugglers, hostiles etc. may be allowed (b) the extent of assistance given to such liberalised peMionary awaros..' This «berne officers and employees or to their families; provides for higher rate of family pension and and payment of educational: allowance and (c) in view of the increasing responsi- children allowance subject- to the condititios bilities of these officers and employees and laid down under the scheme. Those Oovttii- the hard tasks they have to undertake what ment servants who are invalidaled' our,of additional amenities are under consideration service while performing their duties 'ili tbe of the Government to be provided to them 1 circumstances explained above are also eligible under this scheme to higher rate of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE disability pension than what IS admissible MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- under the normal rules. These liberalised MATI RAM DULAlU SINHA): (a) .Num- benefits are allowed in individual 'cases -on ber of CRPF personnel killed/injured/ merits. The question whether famiUe:f -of rendered handicapped. para-military forces personnel may alstJ be granted ex-gratia payment in such cifCllIft- 1983 1984 1985 stances is under review.
(i) Killed 16 28 13 1 It may be added that the < Goverament of Punjab have issued orders to the effect (ii) Injured 34 53 26 that families of the non-gazetted members of (iji) Rendered 8 10 6 the para-military forces· who died Oft or after handicapped. 1.4.84 while on active duty in· Puujab:woaJd 43 AUGUst 14, i985 Written Answers be entitled from the State Government to an (a) the details of the total loss of life ex-gratia grant of Rs. One lakh excluding and property suffered by Indians in the wars death gratuity, family gratuity, leave salary between Gulf countries; and aid out of the Central Police Welfare Fund, but including the special ex· gratia (b) the number of· the Indians living irant sanctioned earlier or yet to be sanc- there at present and whether Government tioned. Ca~es relating to the period from propose to impose any restriction on sending 19.11.81 to 31st March 84 are also to be Indians there in future; arid reviewed by the Punjab Government on (c) if so, the details thereof? similar basis. These orders will be applicable till such time the State of Punjab. remains a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Disturbed Area under the Punjab Disturbed MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Areas Act, 1983 and the Armed Forces (SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN): (a) (Punjab and Chandigarh) Special Powers As per the latest information, a total of 18 Act, 1983. Indians have died so far as a result 9f the Iran-Iraq war since its beginning. Exact [English] details of los's of property are not available, but the Indian Consulate in Khorramshabr Recruitment Rules for Key Punch Operators in Delhi police had to be closed down in 1980 and Indian officials and residents there had to be eva- 3427. SHRl ANANTA PRASAD cuated, leaving most of their belongings SETHI : Will the Minister of HOME behind. Indian nationals resident in border AFFAIRS be pleased to refer to the reply cities on both sides of the border, especially given to Unstarr~d Question No. 5562 on in Khorramshahr, Abadan and Basrah have 8th May, 1985 regarding recruitIlJent rules suffered property damage as a result of the for promotion to Key Punch Operations in conflict. Several Indian ships have also been Delhi Police and state : damaged as a result of attacks in the Gulf.
(a) whether Delhi Administration (b) and (c). There are approximately has given formal approval to the draft re- . 35000 Indians in Iraq and about 2300 in cruitment rules which have been framed by Iran. There is no proposal to impose any Delhi Police for giving promotions to Key blanket ban on Indians going to theSe Punch Operators in Delhi Police who have countries in the future ..Steps are, however, been working in that post for a long time; taken to ensure that Indian workers are Dot and sent to areas affected by the conflict. (b) if not, the reasons therefor? Finalisation of Pension Cases of MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE Freedom Fighters of Himachal MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- Pradesh PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF 3429. PROF. NARAIN CHAND MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) and (b). The PARASHAR : Will the Minister of HOME draft recruitment rules for the post of AFF AIRS be pleased to state : Machine Room Programmer (SIs) for pro- viding promotion of Key Punch Operators (a) whether any significant progress has as proposed by tbe Delhi Police were been made in the finalisation of cases for examined by the Delhi Administration and the sanction of Freedom Fighters pension in referred back with certain observations. the current financial year; Comments of Delhi Police thereon have since been received and further action IS (b) if so, the number of Freedom fighters being taken. State-wise who . have been sanctioned Free- dom Fighters Pensions in the first quarter of Loss Saft'ered by Indians in Gulf War the current financial year; 3428. SHRI LALA RAM KEN : Will (c) the names of such Freedom Fighters the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be from Himachal Pradesh who ha ve been pleased to state : sanctioned pension district-wise; 45 Written Answers SRAVANA 23,1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 46
(d) the names of such Himachal Pradesh Tripura 2 Freedom Fighters district-wise whose cases Uttar Pradesh 85 are still pending for sanction; and Madhya Pradesh 2 Ce)' the likely date by which all cases Nagaland would be finally disposed of ? West Bengal 97 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- u. T. Administrations : MATI RAM DURALl SINHA): (a) Yes, Andaman and Nicobar Sir. Arunachal Pradesh (b) and (c). The requisite information is Chandigarh given in the attached statements I, II and III Delhi 6 respectively. Goa 10 (d) It would not be feasible to place a Mizoram list with particulars of applicants on the Pondicherry 2 table of the House. However, 64 cases are pending for want of verification reports of the State Government. The district·wise break-up of these cases is given in Statement- Statement-II III.
(e) As cases of Freedom Fighters have List of freedom fighters from Himachal to be finalised on receipt of verification Pradesh sanctioned pensions during first reports from the State Governments, it will quarter of the current financial year : not be possible to fix a specific date for their disposal. 1. Shri Lachhman Dass, Statement-I S/o Devi Ram Yin. Sandehara P. o. Tihra, Distt-Mandi. Name of the State! Number of the U. T. Administrations. sanctioned cases. 2. Shri Hira Lal Thakur, S/o Het Ram, ViII. & P. Bazar Joginder Napr, Andhra Pradesh 24 o. Distt-Mandi. Assam 5 Bihar 22 3. Shrimati Dwarka Devi, Gujarat 17 W /0 Khem Chand, Haryana 4 RIo House No. 91/8, Bhu~ Nath Bazar. Himachal Pradesh 9 Mandi town, Distt-Mandl. Jammu and Kashmir 135 Karnataka S8 4. Shri Ram Singh Kerala 31 S/o OHio, R/o Vill. Nerebawk, Maharashtra 206 P. O. Bhanarotu, Manipur 2 Teb. Sadar, Meghalaya Distt-Mandi (H.P.) Orissa 18 Shri Gouri Prasad, 115 s. Punjab S/o Jai Kisban, Rajasthan 1 R/O H. No. 160/3, Mahajan Bazar, Tamil Nadu 22 Distt-Mandi (H.P.) 47 Written Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Answers 48
6. Sbri Dburu Ranl, (b) whether there is any proposal to 8/0 Mani Ram, discover hidden talents in rural India; and R/o Illaga Balh, Teh : Sadar, (c) jf so, details thereof? Distt -Mandi ' THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 7. Shri Keshav Chander, DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAiRS S /0 Thakar Dass, AND SPORTS (SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA R/o ViII. & P. O. Riur SINGH) : (a) to (c). For discovering and Teh : Sadar, Distt-Mandi. training talented sportspersons, including those in rural areas and potential international 1. Shri Girdhari La), sportsmen, Government have in operation the 8/0 Ganga Ram, following schemes : Rio Ville Hawari P. O. Rawalsar, (i) The 'National Coaching Scheme; Teh-Sadar, Distt-Mandi. (ii) Sports Talent Search Scholarships;
,9. Shri Chain Singh, (iii) All-India Rural Sports Tourna- S/o Shri Hoshnaki Ram, ments; Vill & P. O. Tatehal, Distt-kangra (H.P.) (iv) All-India Women's 'Sports Festival; (v) Field Stations in Universities; and Statement-III (vi) Assistance to National Sports Federations, Association of Indian Universities and School 'Games The District wise break-up of pending Federation of India for holding cases of freedom fighters from Himacha I annual championships for juniors -Pradesh. and Sub-juniors.
Bilaspur 28 In addition, Government propose to launch schemes for adoption of selected Simla 8 schools for special promotion of sports and Mandi 8 games and for setting up sports hostels. Sirmor 11 Hamirpur 2 Higb Priced T.V. by ECIL Kulu 1 Kangra 3 3431. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Una 3 state:
Total: 64 (a) whether Electronics Corporation of India Limited in the sale ,price adds 20 per cent of the cost price on the TV sets supplied to them by their Associates; Eft'orts to Discover Hidden TaleDts in Sports {b) whether the EelL sets are priced the highest in the market; and 3430. SHRI M. RAMACHANDRAN: Will the Minister of YOUTH AFFAIRS (c) if so, the details and reasons there- AND SPORTS be pleased to state : for?
(a) what propoials have been made for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE bettering facilities for discovering. training MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- and tJiOJ{eotiDl petential internati onal sports- LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTM'ENTS OF men; OCEAN DEVELOPMENT. ATOMIC 49 Written Answers SRAVANA 23.1907 (SAKA) Written Answe,.s so
ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ·ATOMIC (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) 'No Sir. ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) ,Yes, Sir. (b) No Sir. I, (c) Does not arise. (b) Import of 21 large :-American Computers for use by Government Depart- ments and public sector undertaking and 17 Manufacturing of VCR by ECIL such computers for use by R&D and edu- ca tional institutions and others, cleared by 3432. SHRI SODE RAMAJAH : Wil1 Departn1eut of Electronics during 1983-85 are the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: pending for export clearance of the US Commerce Department. (a) whether Electron ic Corporation of India Ltd. has any proposal to discontinue (c) The reason for delay is that the U .~. manufacturing of black and white TV and Government is asking for end-user assurances switch on the high techn010gy area like video which are still being negotiated between the cassette recorder; and two Governments.
(b) if so, the details thereof? (d) Government has taken up the matter with the U.S. Government. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF "Industria) Pollution in Bombay" OCEAN _ DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC 3434. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS PATIL : Will the PRIME MINISTER be (SHRI SHIVARAJ V. PATIL) : (a) and (b). pleased to state: EelL does not have any proposal to discontinue manufacturing of Black and (a) whether Government are aware that White TV. The Seventh Five Year Plan of many Central projects in Bombay are respon .. ECIL envisages expansion of production faci- sible for causing industrial pollution; and lities including manufacture of Video Cassette (b) if so, the steps being taken by Recorders. Further details of manufacturing Government at least to see that the Central programme etc. are yet to be worked out. Projects are not guilty of contribution to air and water pollution and thereby making the Indian Organisations to Import life of city dwellers exposed to hazards? American Computers THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3433. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN: Will MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT ,AND the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN) : (a) Yes,. Sir.
(a) whether the proposals of some Indian (b) Three major Central units in Bombay. organisations to import American computers viz., MIs. Hindustan Petrolem Corporation have been held up by the U.S. Commerce Ltd. Mis. Bharat Petroleum Corporation Department; Ltd., and Mis. Rastriya Chemicals and Fertilizers ltd., have been directed by the (b) if so, the details of the proposals of Maharashtra Pollution Control Board to take Indian organisations for import of American necessary measures to control air and water computers which have so far not been cleared pollution. The implemention of tbe pro.. by the U.S. Commerce Department; grammes is nlonitored by an Expert Group. The industries have also been asked to comply (c) the reasons for delay; and with safety measures.
(d) the steps taken/proposed by Govern .. Ancient Monuments in WorN ment? Archi tectural List
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3435. SHRIMATI JA Y ANTI MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO .. PATNAIK : Will the Minister of CULTURE LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF be pleased to state : 51 Written ,Answers AUGUST 14. 1985 Written Aluwers 52
(a) whether Government have been mak- 17. Group of monuments ing efforts to place some ancient monuments at Mahabaliporam Tamilnadu in tbe -country in the world architecture list; 18. Brihadesvara Temple, (b) if so, the name and the number of Thanjavur Tamilnadu monuments in different States and Union 19. Akbar's Tomb, Territories identified therefor; Sikandara, Agra Uttar Pradesh
(c) the name of the ancient monuments 20. Itimad ud Daula Tomb, located in the country which had earlier Agra Uttar Pradesh found place in World Architecture lists; and 21. Group of monuments at Fatehpur Sikri Uttar Pradesh (d) the details thereof? (c) and (d). The following monuments THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE have been included in the World Heritage MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND List. TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE RE- FORMS' AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND 1. Taj M ahal, Agra PENSION AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 2. Agra Fort, Agra OF CULTURE (SHRT K. P. SINGH DEO): 3. Caves at Ajanta (a) and (b). No, Sir, but in the World 4. Caves at Ellora. Heritage List the following monuments have been identified: Indo-BaraziJ Agreement in the Field of Science 1. Red Fort, Delhi Union Territory 3436. SHRI MURLIDHAR MANE 2. Humayun's Tomb, Union Territory Will tbe PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Delhi state : 3. Qutab Minar, Delhi Union Territory (a) whether an agreement in the field of 4. Churches and Union Territory Science and Technology bas recently been Convents'at Goa signed with Brazil; and 5. Excavated remains Gujarat at Lothal (b) if so, the salient features of the agree- ment? 6. Martand Temple Jammu & Kashmir THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- Gol Gumbaz at Karnataka 7. LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF - Bijapur OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC 8. Monuments at Aihole Karnataka ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS 9. Monuments at (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir. An agreement between the Government of Pattadkal Karnataka Republic of India and the Government of 10. Group of monuments Federative Republic of Brazil on Cooperation at Hampi Karnataka in the fields of Science and Tecbnolo&y was 11. Khajura ho group of signed in New Delhi on July 22. 1985 during temples Madhya Pradesh the visit of the Brazilian Foreian Minister to India. 12. Elephanta Caves Maharashtra (b) Salient features of the Agreements 13. Caves at Karla Maharashtra are: 14. Sun Temple, Konark Orissa 1. Exchange of research scientists and IS. Chittorgarh Fort and S & T information and documenta- monuments, Chittorgarh Rajasthan tion? 16. Excavated remains at 2. Organisation of joint seminars· and .Ka libangan Rajasthan ~urses in areas of common iatetegt. W,itten Aniwers SRAVANA 23, 1907 lSAKA) Written AIII"era 54
3. Formulation and implementation of aggressions and in the passing of resolution joint research programmes. in the Council condemning them.
4. Exchange of patents and joint apptica- " tion of patents in a third country are Activities of UN Men in Strategic also en¥isaged under this Agreement. Areas 3439. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI: Expenditure on Tour of Prime Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state : Minister
3437. SHRI SATYAGOPAL MJSRA (a) whether he is aware of a report in Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be "THE WEEK" dated 30th June-6th July. pleased to state the total amount of expendi- 1985, that U. N. men in the strategic areas ture involved during the tour of the Prime like Ladakh, Srinagar and Kargil areas and Minister within the country in December, especially tbe United Nations Military 1984 indicating the details thereof ? Observers' Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) are indulging in "Un-warrant- ed" acts; THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI S. B. CHAVAN) : The required infor- (b) of mation is not readily available. The time and if so, the number such cases labour involved in its collection and compila- detected and action taken by Government; tion would not be commensurate with the and objective to be achieved. (c) steps taken by Government to restrict the activities of the U. N. obser- Apartheid Policy of South Africa vers?
3438. DR. G. S. RAJHANS : Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS pleased to sta te : (SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN): (a) Government have ~een the press report. (a) whether it is a fact that some African countries are facing destabilisa tion (b) Specific instances mentioned in the owing to the policy of apartheid followed by article have not come to Government's South Africa; notice. However, on a few occasions in the past, Government have impressed upon the (b) whether the Government of India UN authorities that it would be appropriate have taken up the matter at any inter- if the personnel of UNMOGJP refrained national forum; and from indulging in any objectionable acti- vities. (c) if so, the details thereof? (c) The UN Military Observers Group THE MINISTER. OF STATE IN THE was established specifically with reference to MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS the old 1949 Ceasefire Line which has no (SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN): (a) validity any longer. They have not been to (c). It is true that the South African entrusted with any responsibility in regard to regime has, in pursuance of its policy of the present Line of Control in J & K. The apartheid, tried to destabilise neighbouring UN Observers have, therefore, no role to countries. The most recent instances are its play. Since 1972, the UN Observers, although armed attack in the province of Cabinda in present on the Indian side of the Line of Angola in May 1985 and its raid on Control, are not performing any functions. Gaborone, the capital of Botswana, in June Any violations of the Line of Control are 19B5, where several persons were killed. discussed in meetings between the military India took a prominent part in the UN commanders of India and Pakistan, at Security Council discussions on these armed different levels. S5 Writ/en Answers AUGUST 14, -1985 Written AlUwers S6
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Achievement under 20-Point Pro- Construction of Dry Dock Project g(amme in Rajasthan, Gujarat , in '~ombay Harl)our aDdU.P. , ; ~ : L 3441. SHRI S. M. GURADDI: Will 3440. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to SHRI SATYENDRA NARAY AN state : SINHA: (a) whether the Department of Envi- Will the Minister of PLANNING be ronment have any complaint against the pleased to 'state ': construction of dry dock in the Bombay Harbour; . _'. (a) whether a statement showing details 0- of the achievements made and - targets (b) if so, the details of complaints; , atmeved under the 20-Point Programtne in . R~jasthan, Gujarat and Uttar Pradesh will be (c) whether any objection was' raised - laid on the Tl.ble of the House; - against this proposal by the "Bombay Environ- mental Action Group: (b) the extent to which success has been achieyed in removing poverty under the said . (d) what was the objection of this Group; programme and the details thereof; and and
(c) whether Government propose to (e) whether Government have considered bring about radical changes in the 20-Point the objection ? programme and in its main programme of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE removal of poverty during the Seventh Five MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Year Plan and if so, the outlines of the FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN): (a) and (b). amended programme? Yes, Sir. The location of the Dry Dock was objected to because of the likelihood of THE -MINISTER OF STATE IN THE polluticn due to dock operations, congestion MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI K. R. in the area and proximity of Elepha~ta NARA Y ANAN): (a) Three statements Island. showing targets and achievements under the 20-Point Programme in Rajasthan, Gujarat (c) and (d). Yes, Sir. The Group was and Uttar Pradesh for the three years against mooring of the D~y Dock near the 1982-83, 1983-84 and 1984-85 are laid on Elephanta Island sice that would degrade the - the Table of the House. natural environment of the area. The Group had also mentioned that no construction 'W]aced in Library. See No. LT 1418/85] activities related to the Dry Dock opera- tion should be allowed on Elephanta (b) As 1'er the NSSO Survey (32nd Island. Round) 1977-78, the revised estimate of persons below the poverty line was 307 (e) Yes, Sir. .. 'million 'or 48.3 per ceot of the population in 1977-78 According to the NSSO S~f\ey Reduction of Import Duty on Com- i ,- (38th Round) 1983, the pf~sional estimate puter Components of people below the- povei\' line is 271 3443. SHRI P. R. KUMARMANGA- million or 37.4 per cent of t~ populJtion, LAM: Will the PRIME MINIS~ER be in 1983,,84. This is the total' ~stimate and pleased to state: information ,about the impact specifically of ,be 20-Pvint Program,nc' on poverty is not (a) the basis on which the total duty on --available. computers which includes both auxiliary and additional duty bas been reduced to'200 per , 'i.e) The restructuring of the 20-Point cent from 240 per cent specially when the Programme,.. particularly the Programme for average consolidated import duty on parts, removal of poverty, during the Seventh Five components and peripherals of an indigen- Year Plan is under consideration. ously manufactured computer works out to 51 Written i41Jswers SRA "ANA 23, J.g01 (SAKA) Written A,lIIwers S8 around -lOOper cent; and '~ _ (b) whether the number of such hotels is very small and if so. whether GQvemQlellt (b) if so, whether any steps are being propose to open more hotels. me;a.nt· for consiclered to correspondingly reduce the, persons belonging to the middle and, lower duties' on import of computer components class? being u$ed, by computer manufacturers? THE MINISTER OF STA TE I_N THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND' CIVIL MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- 'AVIATION (SHRI ASHoK GEHLOt}-: NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS (a) Presently ITDC is operating hotelsl OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC travellers lodges at the following 10 locations ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS suiting to the needs of middle and lower class (SlIRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) Following people: the announcement of the General Budget on March 17, 1985 the tariff rate of Ch. 84.5/55 1. Ashok Yatri Niwas, New Delhi. (2) of Custom Tariff Act was changed from 100 per cent to 200 per cent. This rate 2. Travellers Lodge at Kushinagar applied to computers also. Thus the effective 3. Travellers Lodge at Bodhgaya castom duty on computers became 24 per 4. Travellers Lodge at TiruchirapaUi cent (i.e. 200 per cent basic duty and 40 per cent auxillary duty). No countervailing duty 5. Travellers Lodge at Thanjavur is involved in such cases since the excise 6. T ra vellers Lodge at Konarak duty on indigenously manufactured computer 7. Travellers Lodge at Kancheepuram has been totally waived. It was however felt 8. Travellers Lodge at Kulu that a lower rate of customs duty would be sufficient to protect the indigenous industry 9. Travellers Lodge at Bijapur for mini, midi and maxi range of computers, 10. Travellers Lod!e at Manali as the customs duty on imported components, parts and other imports for manufacture of ( b) In order to provide economy class computers worked out to be only about 50 pf r accommodation fQI to~ _l'J'DC is cons- cent to 60 per cent on an average. On this tructing 1/2-Star hotels in colla"tion with basis, the basic duty of 200 per cent was the State Corporations at Pondichery and reduced to 160 per cent and thus the effective I tanagar. It is proposed to. co~~t Vatri duty was reduced to 200 per cent, which Niwases and low-class budget accommoda- became effective with the ann0uncement of tion jointly with the State Governments. the import-export policy 1985-86, whereby Bharatiya Yatri Avas Vikas Samiti, a regis- import of computers 0 f value less than tered society working under the aiges of the Rs. 10 lakhs CIF had been permitted Department of Tourism, is constructing under the provision of Open General Yatrikas (Dharamshalas/Sarais) at selected Licenc~. places. The State Governments have also been requested to draw up plans to provide (b) Does not arise. infrastructure for low-budget domestic tourists. [Translation}. Allocation for Growth of F ...try IT DC Hotels for Middle and Lower Class People 3445. PROF. NIRMALA KUMARI SHAKTAWAT: Will the PRIME 3444. PROF. CHANDRA BHANU MINISTER be _pleased to state : DEVI : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVJATION be pleased to (a) the amounts of funds allocated by state-: the Centre to different States for coascrvation and growth of forests in the country during (a) the number of I.T.D.C. Hotels which the last three years; cater to the needs of the people of the middle and lower class and the places where these (b) whether the work of afforestation are situated; and it not being undertaken properly; and AUGUst J4, 1985
(c) whether ()OY.ernment propose to FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN)': (8) DotaHs _trust tbe task of ~on~r\lation and· growth are given in the Statement below. of. platlts tG the unemployed rural youth with- a view to J)fovidiAg them with employ- (b) aDd (c). While tile tariets set ba\.'e ment 1 been achieved, it is necessarY' to &1rengtben the afforestation effor-t coosi Statemeat Details of funds allocated/expenditure incurred under Centrally Spo~ore.d Schelnes / Programmes during the. last three years (1982-83,1983-84 and 1984-85) SI. No. Name of the Scheme Funds allocated/ Remarks Expenditure incurred (Rs.. in lakhs) - ----~---- _------_.. (1) (2) (3) (4) 1. Social For~try including Rural I Fuelwood Plantation. 4077.12 ,I Ceotral , assistance ~ 2. Soi~ Wa_r &.. Tree CooservC}- t released. tion in the Himalayas (Operation I Soilwatch). 2197.61 J 3. Drought Prone Ar.eas Prograrmne I Total expendi- (DPAP) 4203.00 I ture incurred On }. Afforesta tion 4. gesert Development Programme I and Pasture (DDP). J856.66 J Development. s. Nat~Dal R.ural Employ~nt 10% oftbe, Pt"O&ramm~ (NREP). 621.65 central alloca-· tion of Rs. 62164.60 lakh earmarked- to Social Forestry 6. Rural Landless Employment Amount sanction Guarantee Programme (RLEGP) 4305.00 for Social For."y. 7. son Conservation in tbe catch- a Indicates the JDeati of River Valley Proje~ J total expenditure (IlVP) 5708.05 I j ncurred on Soil I Conservation 8. Integrated Watershed Manage- I works including, meot in tbe catchments of Flood I AfforestatioD. Prqne Rive,. (FPIU,.. 2935.37 >- Separate details I regarding I expenditure I under Afl'oresta .. I don alone am- .J Dot available' ,. Writlen Aluwers SRAVANA 23. 1901 (SAKA) Writ/eli Answer, 62 (English) (b) if SO~ the details thereof ? =strengtfteofhg of Lo1t'er Level Staff THE MINISTER OF STATE IN '11m ofPEO DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS 3446. SHRI NARSING RAO SURYA· AND SPORTS (SHRI R. K. JAttKAN- WANSHI : Will the Minister of ·PLANNING DRA SINGH) : (a) Yes. Sir. be pleased ·to state: (b) The protocol provides, inter-alia for exchange of sports teams in various dfScipli .. (a) steps taken so far for strengthening nes including Chess, Gymna$tics, Wr~tlingt of lower level staff of Programme Evaluation Hockey, Football, Boxing, Basketball, Weight- Organisation as recommended by Dubhashi lifting and Athletics. It provides that USSR Committee vide its report of 1980; will send expert coaches to India in various (b) the number or recommendations disciplines. It also envisages the possibility contained in the report of the Dobbashi of setting up a centre of excellence in the Committee which have been accepted and country with the cooperation of USSR. intplemented; and DOmest~ demands Gr fltd"1SIl Airlines (c) the details or recommedations not accepted with reasons therefor? 3448. SURI AMAR ROY PRADHAN : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE CIVIL A VIATION be pleased to MINISTR Y OF PLANNING (SHRI K. R. state: NARA YANAN): (a) to (c). In their (a) the present domestic demands of the Report. the Dubhashi Committee for Review Indian Airlines; and strengthening of the Central and State Evaluation Organisations had made 78 (b) whether the Indian Airlines meet the recommendations. Of these, some seventeen domestic demands; and recommendations concern the State Govern- ments. From out of the other recommenda- (c) if so, the details thereof and if not, tions~ in regard to 40 recommendations final tbe reasons therefor? action with some modifications, has already THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE been approved and to the extent feasibk is MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL being followed. Out of these 40 recommenda- AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEH1.On: tions two recommendations relating to (a) Indian Airlines estimates to carry 9.42 administrative control and one recommenda- million passengers during the year 1985·86 tion relating to criteria for selection of studies for evaluation, have not been accept- (b) Yes, Sft. ed due to practical considerations. Of the remaining recommendations only some 12 (c) The demand is presently met by tbe recommendations relate to staffing pattern of existing Indian Airlines fleet of S'4 aircraft the Headquarters and field staff of the PEO consisting of 10 Airbus 25 Beeing 137, 11 which have not yet been final1y processed HS.148 and 8 F-27 aircraft. To meet tbe and approved in view of considerations of needs of the anticipated growth in traffic, economy. Indian Airlines plans to l'urcha8e alki take additional aircraft on lease. Sports Pact with Rassia ITOP in West Beaga) 3447. SHRI JAI PRAKASH AGAR·WAL: 344'9. SHitI BASUDEB ACHARlA·: PROF. RAMK.RISHNA MORE: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS he Will the Minister of YOUTH AFFAIRS pleased to state: AND SPORTS be pleased to state : (a) whether Integra ted Tribal (a) whether an Indo-Soviet protocol in Development Project areas are comprised the field of sports bas been signed during the of contipous single unit aad cluster of USSR sports deleaation's visit to our country Mouzas with 50 per cent or mot'O recent I, ; and population; Wrltt~n An1wers AUGUST 14, 1985 Wrlttm Answers 64 (b) whether due to ihis criterion, only (a) the recommendations made' . by 40 per cent of tribal population is covered the Administrative Reforms Commission for in West Bengal . as, 'against 75, per cent setting up the machinery for redressal of tbroughout ttie 'country; public grievances; and (c) whether Government of West Bengal (b) whether the Study Group constituted have sent a proposal for removal of this by the ARC recommended the Ombudsman anomaly; system for public grievances? (d)' if so, the a~tion taken thereon; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND (e). whether Government propose. to TRAIN1NG, ADMINISTRATIVE RE- extend tribal Sub-plan to hill areas of FORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCE$ AND Darjeelin~ ? PENSION AND ~N THE DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO): TIm MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) The Administrative Reforms Com~i MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ssion was of the view that the special circu- (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) mstances relating to the country can be funy The tribal sub-Plan area includes all the met by providing for two special institutions SchedUled Areas and Tehsils/Blocks with for redress of citizens' grievances viz., more·than 50 per cent tribal population. In Tripura and West Bengal tribal population -there should be one authority dealing was more dispersed and therefore groups of with complaints against the adi:ninistra- villages with more than 50 per cent of tribal tive acts of Ministers or Secretaries concentration were included in the sub-Plan. to Government at the Centre ano'in the States. (b) In West Bengal the tribal sub-Plan areas cover 38.81 per cent of the States total ~there should be another authority. in tribal population according to 197 \ Census. each State and at the Centere for (c) and (d). During the Sixth Five Year dealing with complaints against the Plan a Modified Area Development Approach administrative acts of other officials. to tribal sub-Plan was evolved and pocket,s with minbnum of 10,000 pop\Jlation and 50 - the authority dealing with complaints per cent or more tribal concentration were against the Ministers and Secretaries 'identified~ No area in West Bengal cQuld to Government may be designated H be identified under the~ norms. The Work ing "Lokpal • Group OD Development of Sched~led Tribes suggested that in areas outside the present -the other authorities at the Centre and TSP area, smaller pocketc; of tribal concen- in the States empowered to deC\1 with tration misht be located by lowering the complaints against other officials may present norm. - The Ministry has requested be designated "Lokayukta". the States, including West Bengal, to identify closters having a total population of atleast . The administration itself must play the ,5,000 and a scheduled tribe concentration major role in reducing the area of grievances of 50 per cent or more. and providing remedies, wherever necessary, and feasible and for this purpose there (e) The hill areas of Darjeeling district should be established in each ,Ministry and are covered under the Hi 11 Area Development Department, as the case may be, suitable Plan and st>eciat Central Assistance is provi- machinery for the receipt and investigation . dcd, to, States by Planning Commission of complaints and for setting in motion, under·this Plan. where neceSsary, the administrative process for providing remedies. Machinery for Redressal of Public Grievances (b) The study team considered that "sett- ing up of an institution like that of the 3450. SHit] GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : Ombudsman or Parliamentary Commissioner -Will the :PRIME MINISTER be pleased fo is beset with many complications and diffi- state: cut ties in a vast country like India" • The 65 Writ ten Answers SRAVANA 23,1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 66 Study Team gave certain suggestions in case THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE it was desired to have such an institution, one DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS of it being that there should be a separate AND SPORTS (SHRI R. K. JAICHAN- Ombudsman at the Centre appointed under DRA SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. the Central law and a separate Ombudsman in each State appointed by the State under (b) and (c). Guidelines were issued to the State Law. the National Sports Federations/Associations on 1.5.1985 and 1.8.1985. Copies of the guidelines have been made available in the "Distributed Information Centre in Parliament Library. tbe Department of Environment of West Bengal" Introduction of Vayudoot Service 3451. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHER- 3453. SHRI S. G. GHOLAP: Will the JEE: Will the PRIME MINISTER be Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL pleased to state : AVIATION be pleased to state : (a) whether Government have received (a) whether Vayudoot Service has been any scheme from the Government introduced from (n Bombay to Nasik (ii) of West Bengal for the establishment of Ratnagiri (iii) Nanded; and Distributed Information Centre in the State Department of Environment with an (b) if so, when and the response from estimated cost of Rs. 8.65 lakhs; the public? (b) if so, whether Government propose THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to approve the same and make necessary MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL allotment of funds; and AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): (a) and (b). Vayudoot services from Bombay (c) the time by which it would be done? to Ratnagiri and Nanded were introduced with effect from the 5th of February, 1985. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Services to Ratnagiri had to be temporarily MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND suspended with effect from the 19th of June. FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN) : (a) Yes, 1985 due to heavy monsoons, and will be Madam. resumed by the end of August, 1985. Nasik which is airlinked by Indian Airlines has not (b) and (c). Distributed Information been provided an air service by Vayudoot. Centres in the State Departments of Environ- ment cannot be funded under the existing Response from the travelling public to scheme of environmental information system. these Vayudoot services has been very encouraging. Organisation of Coaching Camps [Translation] 3452. KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI: Will the Minister of YOUTH AFFAIRS AND Atomic Energy Plant in M. P. SPOR TS be pleased to state : 3455. SHRI M. L. JHIKRAM: Will (a) whether Government have extended the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : approval to the coaching and training (a) the name of the p1ace in Madhya plans of different sports disciplines Pradesh where atomic power plant is proposed of the National Sports Federation; to be set up by Government; (b) if so~ the guidelines sent by the (b) whether Chutkapatha near Vargidam Department of Youth Affairs and Sports to which ha s been recommended by atomic National jports Federation and Netaji energy experts is not a suitable place for Subhash ~tjonal Institute of Sports for the setting up this plant; and proper and purposeful organisation of coach- (c) the reasons for not selecting this iog camps; and suitable place Le. Chutkapatha near (c) the details thereof? Vargidam? 67 Written Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Answers 68 THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE Programme forms an integral part of the MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- Plans of StatesjUTs and Central Ministries. NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS Outlays for the 20-Point Programme are OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC derived from the respective Plan head~. ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) to (c). (e) Does not arise. The Site Selection Committee of the Depart- ment of Atomic Energy has evaluated several Recruitment to Para Military Forces sites in the Western Electricity Region of in North-East which Madhya Pradesh also forms a cons- tituent part, for locating future atomic power 3457. SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH: Will stations. The report is under consideration the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased. of the Government. to state: (a) the number of recruitment rallies held (English] during the last two years in the North Eastern region with particular reference to l\fodification of 20-Point Programme the States of Manipur and Nagaland in respect of the Para-Military Forces B. S. F., 3456. SHRI S. M. BHATTAM : C. R. P. F. and the Territorial Army; SHRI A. J. V. B. MAHESWARA RAO: (b) whether Government are considering Will the Minister of PLANNING be the increase in the number of such rallies pleased to state: in the border States where the employment facilities are poor; and (a) whether Government intend to suitably modify the 20-point programme, if (c) if so, details thereof? so, when; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether NREP attracted the atten- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- tion of Government for such change; MATI RAM DULARI SlNHA) : (a) to (c). The information is being collected and will (c) if so, reasons why and how it is be laid on the Table of the House. sought to be modified; (d) besides modification, changes and Electronics Tie-Ups with Japan additions in the programme whether Govern- 3458. PROF. P. J. KURIEN: Will the ment intend to aHot more funds for the PRIME MINISTER be pleaced to state: implementation of the 20-point programmes; and (a) whether India propose to have tie- ups with Japan in the field of electronics; (e) if so, the details thereof? and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) jf so, the datails thereof and the MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI K. R. steps taken in this direction so far? NARAYANAN) : (a', Yes, Sir. The modifica- tron and restructuring of the 20-Point THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Programme is under consideration. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- fb) and (c). The details of the Sc;!venth LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS Five Year Plan including those for the OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC National Rura1 Emplo) ment Programme ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (NREP) are being worked out and will be (SHRI SHIVRAJ v. PATIL): (a) Yes, Sir. placed before the National Development Council for approva1. (b) Indian firms propose to nave colla- boration with Japanese manufacturing (d) Outlays for the different items under organisations in various fields. In the field the 20-Point Programme are not fixed of Telecommunication foreign collaboration sepJ.rately and specifically a~ the 20-Point ~pprovals.. ~i.t~ Japanese cOli~panies have· 69 Written Answers SRAVANA 23, i907 (SAKA) Written Answers 70 been granted to Indian companies in the field hoc Committee on the Indian Ocean have of Multi-Access Rural Radio Systems, general1y been calling for the early convening Satelljte Communication Sub-systems and of such a Conference some other countries, Two Way Radio Communication Systems. particularly those belonging to the Western In the area of components, technical colla- Group have opposed the finalisation of the • boration with Japan is proposed in the area date of its convening. Decisions in the Ad- of colour picture tubes, ferrites, VCR Decks, hoc Commit tee are taken by consensus. capacitors and colour T. V. deflection Consultations are continuing with a view to components. In the area of Computer and expediting the early convening of this Control Systems the fields in which India Conference. proposes to have tie-ups with various Japanese firms are data acquisition systems, industrial control systems and floppy disc Recommendation of National Work- drives. A few collaboration agreements in shop on Hydrogen Energy the area of industrial controls and floppy drives have already been signed between 3460. SHRI V. TULSIRAM : Will the Indian and Japanese parties. PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (a) whether a national workshop on Conference on l\'laking Indian Ocean hydrogen energy has recommended to the A Peace Zone Government to identify hydrogen energy as a thrust area in the Seventh Plan; 3459. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: SHRI SRIBAL.LAV PANIGRAHI : (b) if so, the details of the recommenda- tions made by the workshop; Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) the extent to which Government have accepted these recommendations; and (a) whether Government's attention has been drawn to a news itenl in CAmrit Bazar (d) when these are expected to be Patrika~ dated 14 July, 1985 that India is implemented? making efforts to hold a conference on ma'<.ing Indian Ocean a peace zone; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- (b) if so, the details in this regard; and LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (c) the names of the foreign countries (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) Yes, Sir. who have extended their co-operation to participate in it ? (b) Recommendations mcce by the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE workshop are given in the statement below. MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN) : (a) (c) and (d). Some of the recommenda- and (b). India has been making every effort tions, particularly those pertaining to areas ensure the implementation of the 1971 UN for Research and Development are already' Declaration on the Indian Ocean as a Zone being implenlented by Government. Other of Peace. In 1979 the UNGA Resolution recommendations will be examined in relation 34/80B decided to convene a Conference on to available financial and nlanpower resources the Indian Ocean for the implementation of in the country. this Declaration. The Government of India have consistently held that such a Conference Statement on Indian Ocean should be attended by the grea t powers and nlajor maritime users as A national workshop on Hydrogen well as by the littoral and hinterland states, Energy was held at the Indian Institute of if it is to be m~aningful. Technology, New Delhi from 4th- 6th July 1985 with the sponsorship of the Department (c) While the nonaligned and socialist of Non-Conventional Energy Sources. The countries who are members of the UN Ad- workshop ended with a panel di~cllssion 11 Written Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Ahswers which resulted in the following recommenda- (i) Metal Hydrides tions: (ii) Hydrogen Liquefaction 1. There is a d~finite need to support short term and long term R&D (iii) Cryogenic storage and programme on Hydrogen Energy in transport vessels National Laboratoris, Indian Ins- titutes of Technology and Univer- (iv) High Pressure storage of sities. Industry should be encouraged gas to adopt know-how generated and to use hydrogen as a fuel wherever (v) Pipeline transportation possible. method 2. The Research and Development (c). Utilisation of Hydrogen for programme in this area should be periodically reviewed to assess the (i) Industrial burners, fur- progress and to chalk out new naces and combustors directions for research. (ii) Residential and Com- mercial purposes 3. Such Workshops, should be organi- (iii) Engines for auto- sed at least once in two years. I.e. mobile and agricultural uses 4. Hydrogen Energy should be identified as a 'Thrus t area' in the (iv) Fuel Cells seventh plan. Sufficient resources should be allocated for the develop- (v) MHD Power generation ment of Hydrogen Energy tech- (d). Safety aspects nology. 5. Research and Development work (i) Instrumentation and should be sponsored on all aspects control devices of hydrogen energy, i.e. production, (ii) Codes and standards storage and transportation, utiliza- tion, safety and economy and (e). Environmental aspects system analysis. The areas identified for immediate attention with regard (f). Pubic education on Hydrogen to financial support from the Energy. Government sources are given below: Appointment of Travel Agents (a). Production of Hydrogen using 3461. SHRI DIGVIJA Y SINH: Will Non-Conventional Energy the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL Sources: A VIATION be pleased to state: (i) Electrolysis method (a) whether Indian Airtines consider it essential to appoint travel agents; Ui) Photolysis, Photo-ther- mal, Photo-biological (b) if so, number of travel agents and Photo-electrochemical appointed during the last three years; and methods (c) details of commission paid to such (iii) Thermochen1ical n1ethods agents and whether there has been recent cut in the commission ? (iv) Hydrogen generation by micro-organisms THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL (b). Storage and Transportation AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : using (a) Yes, Sir. Written Answers SRAVANA 2j, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answer" 74 1982 1983 1984 Requirement of Heavy Water (b) Passenger 3463. SHRI MANVENDRA SINGH 24 Sales Agents Nil 47 Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state the Unit-wise requirement of heavy Cargo Sales water during 1985 ? Agents Nil 22 43 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) The rate of commission paid to MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- Passenger Sa]es Agent is 5 per cent on LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF domestic sales and 9 per cent on international OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC sales while for cargo bookings it is 5 per cent ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS for both domestic and international sales. (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : Unit-wise There has been no cut in the rates of requirement of heavy water during 1985 is commission recently. indicated below : RAPS-l 18 Tonnes Daily Air Service between Bhubanes- RAPS-2 15 Tonnes war and Delhi MAPP-l 12 Tonnes MAPP-2 250 Tonnes 3462. SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL A VIA TION be pleased to state: Compilation of Airlines Safety 3464. SHRI SHARAD DIGHE Will (a) whether there is any proposal under the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL the consideration of Government to extend AVIATION be pleased to state: the facilities of daily air servke between Bhubaneswar and Delhi; (a) whether attention of Government has been drawn to a compilation of Airlines safety (b) whether Government also propose a from 1983-84 recently made by the Flight new service between Kathmandu and International covering all the major carriers of Bhubaneswar via Varanasi; the world except USSR and Eastarn Europe in which India was placed 4th from the bottom (c) whether Government have also taken out of 18 countries surveyed; and decision to start Vayudoot services between Bhubaneswar and Konark, Bhubaneswar and (b) steps proposed to improve airline Gopalpur in Ganjam district and Bhubanes- safety? war and Raipur in Madhya Pradesh; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) if so, the details regarding the report MINISTR Y OF TOURISM AND CIVIL submitted by the State Government of Orissa AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) to improve the Tourists spots and other Yes, Sir. The Flight International journal (26 suggestions regarding the air services to the January, 1985 issue) covered major airlines' Central Government? safety statistics for the period 1973-84 in the table "World Airlines Safety" wherein India THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has been ranked at 15th. MINISfRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL (b) Day to day performance of the aircraft AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) and its engines, operated by scheduled airlines On augmentation of capacity the matter will are monitored by the regulatory authority. All be considered, subject to economic viability. incident~ / accidents to aircrafts belonging to schedule airlines in India are investigated. (b) No, Sir. Implementation of appropriate recommenda- tions made to prevent recurrence of similar (c) No, Sir. defects/deficiencies is monitored on a regular basis. Our national airlines also have their (d) Does Dot arise. Safety Directorates to examine flisht· safety 15 Written Answe" AUGUST 14. 1985 W,itlen Answer, 76 standards and promote safety conciousness in Delays in Indian Airlines Flights their staff to ensure that flight operations meet between Bangalore and New safety standards. Crew training and develop- Delhi ment are carried out by them. They have their own built-in safety features in evolving 3466. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER: operating policies and procedures in confor- Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL mity with international and national regula- A VIA TION be pleased to state: tions, in consultation with Director General of Civil Aviation, International Civil Avia- (a) whether there is frequent delay in tion Organisation, International Air Transport departures and arrivals of Indian Airlines Association and aircraft manufactures. They flights between Bangalore and New Delhi; also disseminate information on accidents and incidents in other airlines to create safety (b) number of occasions when the delay awareness amongst crew. was for more than one hour between June 1 to June 30, 1985; and Interline Restriction on I~h-Manali (c) reasons for the delay in departures Road and arrivals of IA flight between Bangalore and Delhi? 3465. SHRI P. NAMGYAL: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state : MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) (a) whether it is a fact that barring a few No, Sir. Out of a total of 346 flights operated kilometres of road between UPSHI and GIA during the first six months of 1985 between villages in Ladakh which bas fallen under the Bangalore and Delhi, over 81 per cent were category 'Inner Line' the entire Leh -Manali on time. road is unrestricted and open for foreign and bome tourists; (b) Twenty three. (b) if so, whether Government propose to (c) Out of these 23 flights, tht!re was remove the restriction of inner line limit on one miscellaneous and 21 consequential delays the said road which is hundreds of miles away (i.e. the aircraft operating these flights were from the India-China Intel national boundary; delayed while operating earlier sectors on and th ose days). (c) if not, the reasons thereof? Youtb Activities Among University Students THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS 3467. SHRI RANJITSINGH (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) GAEKVAD : Will the Minister of YOUTH t-o (c). Leh-Manali road is open up to Upshi AFFAIRS AND SPORTS be pleased to in J & K and closed only from South of state: Upshi in J & K upto Sarchu in Himachal Pradesh. The foreign tourists are, however, (a) the details of the programme for permitted to visit the Gompas at Gya, Miru encouragement of youths in taking active and Rumtse, lying south of Upshi provided participation in youth activities especially they are in possesshon of necessary permits among University students; and from the District Magistrate concerned, travel in groups of upto 20 persons and are (b) the amount proposed for financing accompanied by a 'guide' provided by J&K the youth activities? state authorities. The Indian tourists can visit these areas after obtaining permit from the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE authorities. State DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS AND SPORTS (SHRI R. K., JAICHAIDRA RelaKations to the extent possible have SINGH) : (a) and (b). A statement is given already been made. below: 77 Written Answers SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) 78 Statement programmes aimed at self-employ mente Among some of the important pro- grammes operated by the Department of The total amount provided for in the Youth Affairs and Sports for encouraging budget for 1985-86 for financing various young people, especially university students, youth activities is Rs. 1804.60 lak.hs. to particiyate actively in youth activities, the following might be mentioned: Maintenance of Temple (i) National Service Scheme, aimed at 3468. SHRI SOMNATH RATH: Will developing the personality of students the Minister of CULTURE be pleased to through social service; state : (ii) Nehru Yuvak Kendras, for involv- (a) whether master plan has been pre- ing rural youth in various pro- pared for repair and maintenance of the grammes of national development; historic Puri Jagannath Temple and Konark Temple in orissa; if so, what is the amount (iii) National Service Volunteer Scheme, estimated; aimed at enabling young graduates to render voluntary social service for (b) what amount has so far been sanc- a specific period; tioned and released for the repair and main- tenance of these Temples respectively and (iv) Promotion of Adventure, for creat- what amount has been spent; ing a spirit of risk-taking, coopera- tive team work, capacity of ready (c) whether he has inspected the work and vital response to challenging done by the Archeological Survey of India on situations and of endurance among Puri Temple and whether he has given any young persons; advices; and (v) Youth Hostels, for promoting travel (d) if so, what was the advice given? among young persons; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (vi) Programme of promotion of national MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND integration aimed at providing TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE opportunities to young persons, to REFORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES visit different places of interest with AND PENSION AND IN THE DEPART- a view to appreciating the vastness MENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K. P. SINGH of the country, its varied system and DEO) : (a) Master Plan for Jagannath Temple yet a basic oneness; and Puri is under preparation. Master Plan for the Sun Temple, Konark has been prepared, the (vii) Scheme of assistance to voluntary estimated amount for which is Rs. 28.55 youth organisations for organising lakhs. youth leadership training pro- grammes and vocational training (b) the information is furnished below : Name Amount Amount Amount sanctioned released spent (1985-86) (1985-86) Jagannatb Master Rs. 3,12,330/- Rs. 37,252/-· Temple Plan *Tbe expenditure under is for dep)aster- preparation ing work which is in progress. Konark Rs. 28,55,000/- Rs. 4,96,913/- Rs. 58,800/- Temple 79 Written Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Answers 80 (c) and (d). Yes, Sir. He bas advised iog 30' years of service in order to that a Master Plan for the conservation of weed out corrupt and inefficient Sri Jagannath Temple along with the subsi- elements. diary shrines may be drawn up, so that the conservation, preservation and beautification 5. Adoption of Model Conduct(Discip.. of the temple complex as a whole could be line and Appeal) Rules, circulated carried out. Accordingly the master plan is by the Bureau of Public Enterprises under preparation. to all public sector undertakings who have not adoped _them so far. Corruption Prone Areas in Administration 6. Effective monitoring through monthly /quarterly reviews of the 3469. SHRI V. S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN : pending investingations, inquiries Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to etc. by Chief Vigilance Officers/ state: Heads of the Departments and furnishing a quarterly return to the (a) whether any study has been conducted Department of Personnel and Train- to identify the areas in the administration ing. which are prone to corruption; (b) if so, whether any effective steps have Sports Hostels in each State been taken to tackle corruption in these areas; 3470. PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE: and Will the Minister of YOUTH AFFAIRS AND SPORTS be pleased to state: (c) if so, the details thereof? (a) whether National Institute of Sports THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has decided to set up sports hostels in each MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND State; and TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE RE- FORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND (b) if so, the details therof ? PENSION AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO) : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) All MinistriesiDepartments have been DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS asked to conduct studies to identify corrup- AND SPORTS (SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA tion prone areas. SINGH): (a) and (b). The Netaji Subhas National Institute of Sports, Patiala, has pro- (b) and (c). An 'Action Plan' alongwith posed a new scheme of attaching sports -8 calendar of vigilance action has been drawn hostels to some of its Regional Coaching up and sent in May, 1985 to all Ministeries/ Centres in the country during the Seventh Departments to take action on the various Five-Year Plan.' The Sportsmen/women items given below: admitted to the hostels will be provided free board and lodging and will have available to 1. Studies for streamlining the eXIstIng them playing and coaching facilities in the rules, procedures etc. to cut down regional coaching centres. delays and reduce harassment to general public. Ineptness of Air India in handling 2. Strengthening of vigilance and anti- the Passengers corruption machinery and filling up 3471: SHRI MOHO. MAHFOOJ ALI the vacant posts of Chief Vigilance KHAN: Will the Minister of TOURISM Officers. AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: 3. Time-bound disposal of pending disciplinary inquiries/cases. (a) whether attention of Government has been drawn to the Press report appearing in 4. Regular review of cases of Govern- the Statesman dated 21 July, 1985 regarding ment servants who attain the age of ineptness of the Air India in handling the SO/55 years or who will be complet- passeosers, maintenance of S\1rveil~ ~nd 81 Written An~ers SRAVANA 23,1907 (SAKA) Written Answe'8 82 removal of passenger luggage during loading; (a) number of New Air Ports under and construction, State-wise and the allocation of funds for each;· (b) if so, the action taken by Govern- ment to improve the situation? (b) the year of starting construction and envisaged year of completing each, State- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE wise; and MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL (c) number of Air Ports coming up AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): where work is behind the schedule ? (a) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) Air India's record of baggage handl- MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND ing has been generally good. CIVIL AVIA TION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) One airport is under con- Water Pollution in Rajkot District of struction, viz. Cal icut in Kerala, tbe Gujarat sanctioned cost of Which is Rs. 14.66 crores. There is provision of Rs. 8.21 crores in the 3472. SHRIMATI PATEL RAMABEN Seventh Plan. RAMJIBHAI MAVANI: Win the PRIME (b) The construction work commenced in MINISTER be pleased to state: April, 1983 and is scheduled to be completed by December, 1987. (a) whether water pollution is going on a large scale in Rajkot District of Gujarat, (c) Nil. because the river Bhadar is polluted as a result of wastages flowing out of industrial Kutub Khana Asafia process in Jetpur City; 3474. PROF. SAIF-UD-D1N SOZ: Win (b) whether Government have taken the Minister of CULTURE be plased to notice of the fact that Dhoraji City people state: are contacting diseases because they drink t his water; and (a) whether it is a fact that Kutub Khana Asafia is the greatest depository of (c) the preventive measures being under- rare books in Urdu and Persian; taken to protect the people of Dhoraji and surrounding areas from the hazards of the (b) whether it is also a fact that the pollution? same library is in bad shape now; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) if so, whether Government propose MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND to declare it as a National Library? FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN): (a) Yes, Madam. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND (b) According to the State Pollution TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE RE- Control Board, there is no information to FORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES this effect. AND PENSION AND IN THE DEPART- MENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K.P. SINGH (c) In order to prevent discharge of pollu- DEO) : (a) and (b). The Asafia Library is tants into the river Bhadar, a collection unJer the control of Government of Andhra and disposal system of effluents from Jetpur Pradesh who have been requested to furnish area has been implemented. This will prevent the requisite information. polluted water from going to Dhoraji. (c) There is no such proposal. New Airports [Tl'anslat ion] Opening of a Hotel in Gorakhpur 3473. DR. K.G. ADIYODI: Win the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL A VIA .. 3475. SHRI JlTENDRA SINGH: Will nON be pleased to state: the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL 83 Written All~wers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Answers 84 AVIATION be pleased to state: (d) whether anyone of these inventions, innovations of formulae is put to commercial (a) whether Gorakhpur is a place of use? tourist attraction for international tourists particularly the Budhists; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTR Y OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- (b) if so, whether there is any proposal LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF to open a hotel there in the public sector and OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC if not, whether such a proposal is likely to be ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS considered; and (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) There are six Regional Research Laboratories under (c) whether it is proposed to increase the the CSIR, located at Bhopal, Bhubaneswar, air service for Gorakhpur with a view to Hydcrabad, Jammu, Jorhat and Trivandrum. promote tourism ? (b) The expenditure on the six Regional THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Research Laboratories during the year 1984- MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL 85 was Rs. 14.32 crores. AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): (c) During the year 1984-85, 18 patent (a) Gorakhpur is an important tourist centre applications for innovations evolved by these in the North Eastern Region of Uttar laboratories were filed Clnd 17 patent applica- Pradesh for Budhist pilgrims visiting tions filed earlier were accepted. Over the Kushinagar, Sravasti, Lumbini (Nepal) and period 1978-79 to 1984.85, over 90 patent Piprahwa. applications were filed and over 70 processes were developed by these labor:ttories. (b) Presently India Tourism Develop- me1t Corporation (ITDC) has no proposaJ (d) Of these 70 processes developed, 60 to open a hotel at Gorakhpur. The 7th Plan have been released to industry for com- of ITDC also does not include any plan mercial utilisation. Inventions and Innova- provision for opening any now hotel in the tions made during 1984-85 will take some country. time to be commercially utilized. (c) Indian Aidines, at present, operates four times weekly HS-748 services on Delhi- Extension of Air India Flight to Agra-Lucknow-Gcrakhpur route, as also a Trivandrum from Bombay and thrice weekly F-27 service on Calcutta· Madras. Varanasi-Gorakhpur route. The capacity providecl at present meets the demand and 3477. SHRI P.A. ANTHONY: Will the there is no proposal to in;rease the air service Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL to/fro01 Gorakhpur. A VIA TION be pleased to state : (English] (a) whether Government have received any representation to extend the Air India flights to Trivandrum from Regional Research Laboratories Bombay and Madras for the convenience of large number of Keralites working abroad; 3476. SHRI E. A YY APU REDDY: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: and (b) if :;0, the action taken in this (a) the number of Regional Resear~h regard? Laboratories in India and the places y,here they are located; THE MINISTER OF STATE (b) expenditure on all these laboratories IN THE MINISTRY OF TOURISM during the year 1984·85; AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): (a) The Government (c) the scientific inventions, formula or have received some representations from the other innovations evolved by the~e regional International Kerala Travellers Association, laboratories during the year 1984-8S; and West Germany, to re-route Air India's 85 Written Answers SRAV ANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 86 Bombay· Madras - Kuala Lumpur-Singapore (a) whether non-conventional sources and vice-versa services through Trivandrum of energy specially solar energy are not with suita'ble connections to/from points in being energetically utilised and if so, correc- the West. tive steps proposed; !. (b) Due to operational and capacity con- (b) whether it is a fact that solar water straints, it has not been found feasible, fer heater units designed so far are tvo expen- the present, to extend Air India flights to sive, impractical and have not become Trivandrum from Bombay and Madras. popUlar; and Convenient Indian Airlines flights are availa- ble between Bombay /Madras and (c) whether practical pragmatic solar Trivandrum. water heater units for homes can be designed speedily to reduce dependence on electricity ? Setting up of a Federation of Tribal Development Corporation : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 3478. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC state: ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) No Sir. (a) whether the Commission for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in (b) No Sir. its Third Report recommended that a feqera- tion of Tribal Development Corporation (c) Solar hot water systems for domestic might be set up at the national level use have now started being made by several to handle problems of the State level Cor· n1anufacturers in the country. porations working in the tribal areas; (b) if so, the action taken in the matter; Receipt and Expenditure on Asiad.82 3480. SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DASS (c) the modalities of the above Corpora- MUNSI : Will the Minister of YOUTH tion since set up or proposed to be set up at AFFAIRS AND SPORTS be pleased to the national Jevel; state: (d) whether any Members of Parliament belonging to the Scheduled Tribes will also (a) total expenditure on ASIAD-82 and be appointed on this Corporation; if so, how the fixed assets value now in the capital; many; and (b) total sale proceeds of the inventories which were sold after the ASIAD: and (e) if not, the reasons therefor? (c) the highest gate collections in ave- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE rage to ASIAD and in which discipline it MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS was the largest ? (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) (a) : Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) to (e). The Government of DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS AND SPORTS (SHRI R. K. JAICHAN. India is examining the question of setting DRA SINGH) : (a) to (c) Inforamation is up of a national level Tribal Cooperative .Marketing Federation (TRIFED). The being collected from the concerned agencies and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha details of the modalities and bye-laws etc. in due course. for the said Corporation are being worked out and are yet to be finalised. New Projects in Electronics Utilization of Solar Energy 3481. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: 3479. SHRI CHINTA MOHAN: Will Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : state ;. 81 Written Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written An&wers 88 (a) whether Governnlent have sanctioned Will the Minister of CULTURE be pleased to several new projects in electronics; state: (b) if so, the details thereof; and (a) whether Government have sianed cultural agreement with USSR and some (c) the amount earmarked for the im- other countries; plementation of these projects? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the details thereof; and MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TEClINO- LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF (c) the contribution likely to be made by OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC them in the development of our cultural ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS activities ? (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir,. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) The following new schemes are MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND proposed to be taken up by the Department TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE RE- of Electronics: FORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES_ AND PENSION AND IN THE DEPAH.T- 1. Electronics Components Development MENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K. P. SINGH Fund. DEO) : (a) to (c). India has signed cultural agreements with 72 countries including tbe 2. Centre for R&D Production of USSR. These bilateral cultural agreements Power Semiconductor Devices. provide for cooperation and exchanges between various institutions and organisations 3. Telematics Development and Promo- in India and the countries concerned in the tion Programme. fields of art and culture, education, scienee 4. Fifth Generation Super-Mini Com- and technology, public health, sports, mass- puter Design Programme. nledia, etc. and are implemented through a system of 2-3 year Cultural Exchange Pro- 5. Advanced Technology Programme in grammes concluded from time to time. Such Computer Networking. exchanges focus attention to our respective state of cultural deveplopment, besides creat- 6. Software Export Promotion ing an awareness of our rich cultural heritage. Programme. 7. Instruments Maintenance PrograrrJrne. (English) 8. Centre for Electronics for Producti- Agreements/Talks held with Nepal vity and Production Technology. by Special Envoy of P. M. (c) A total outlay of Rs. 17.0 crores 3483. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: have been provisionally approved by the SHRIE.AYYAPU REDDY: Plainning Commission for these schemes, out of which Rs. 2.20 crores are earmarked for Will the Minister of EXTERNAL 1985-86. AFFAJRS be pleased to state: Besides these plan projects, a number of (a) whether the Prime Minister has rece .. 'R & D projects in the field of components, ntly sent a special envoy to Nepal; microelectronics, computers, instrun1cntation, radars and other areas of elel,;tronics are ini- (b) if so, what agreements/talks were tiated on a continuous baii~ Ul'ccr S & T held between India and Nepal during hi~ Programme of the D\.!partment of Electronics. vi~it; and (c) the details thereof? [Translation] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Cultural Pact with USSR MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN): (a) 3482. SHRI VIJOY KUMAR YADAV: Yes, Sir. 89 Written Answers SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Writ ten Answers 90 (b) and (c). Prime Minister's special "Functioning of Ecological Task envoy Shri P. Shiv Shankar, MP had an Forces" audience with His Majesty King Birendra of 3485. PROF. NARAIN CHAND Nepal on July 5, 198;, during which several PARASHAR : W.ill the PRIME MINISTER subjects were discussed concerning areas of be pleased to state: mutual interest. These touched on security (a) the progress of the functioning and concerns, the recent incidents of terrorism in expansion of the EcologicaJ Task Forces set Nepal, and the offer of an Indian grant to up to preserve the environment; assist Nepal in constructing the western-most part of the Mahendra Raj Marg in Nepal. (b) whether any more States have de- No formal agreements were concluded during manded the setting up of these Task Forces; the visit. and (c) if so, the names of such States and Outsider lAS/IPS Officers in State the decision taken by Government in this Cadres regard? 3484. PROF. NARAIN CHAND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PARASHAR : Will the PRIME MJNISTER MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND be pleased to sta te : FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN): (a) Two (a) whether Government have taken any Ecological Task Forces are now in operation. decision to the effect that 50 per cent of the Eco Task Force (TA-127) was deployed in lAS/IPS Officers in any State shall be from Shahjahanpur Block, near Mohand Pass, outside the State; U.P., in January 1983 to execute a Watershed Management Programme formulated by the (b) -if so, the .date from which the deci- State Forest Departnlent. This .project wa~ sion has been implemented; subsequently modified and the Ecological Task Force completed the project in march, (c) the names of the State Governments, 1985 and has now shifted to the Mussoorie if any, which have opposed the implementa- slopes for reclamation of the mined areas in tion of this decision alongwith the reasons Kiarkuli Block. This Task Force has been advanced by them; and operating with a 5trength of 243 which is (d) the steps taken by the Government proposed to be raised to 443 during the to ensure uniform implementation of the current financial year. decision? The second Eco Task Force (TA-l28) was deployed for afforestation, sand dune THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE stabilisation and pasture development works MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND on the left bank of Indira Gandhi Canal, TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE REF- Rajasthan, in July, 1983. The present stre- ORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND ngth of this Task Force is 668. PENSION AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO): In anticipation of deploying a Task Force (a) to (d). Till 1984 the Centeral Govern- in Kinnaur and Lahul Spiti areas of Hima- ment have been ensuring that at least 50 per chal Prades h, a chain of nurseries has been cent of the officers allotted to a particular created. cadre are from outside the State concerned. (b) Yes, Sir. The promotion quota from the State Services is 33.1/3% thJ.ls effectively lowering down (c) Project Reports for setting up the the outsider ratio in the total strength of the Task Forces have been received from the Cadre. Keeping this in view it was decided States of Himachal Pradesh, Jammu & Kash- in July, 1984. that in the interests of national mir and Maharashtra. Equiries have also intergration and better efficieiency in ad- been received from the States of Kerala and ministration, the 'outsider' element in the Sikkim. Decisions on these have not yet direct recruitment quota of the All India been taken. Services should be raised to 66.2/3% so that U. S. Help to Develop Electronic the oveall ratio between 'outsiders' and 'in- Industries in Orissa siders' in every cadre was improved. This revised percentage has been given effect to 3486. SHRI K. PRADHANI : Will the starting from 1984 batch of direct recruits. PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state; 91 Written A.nswer, AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Answers 92 (a) whether the United States of America announced in the House during the last has offered high technology for electronic session; and industries in Orissa. (c) jf so, its outcome? (b) whether the Centre has decided to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE set up a regional super computer in Bhuba- MI~ISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- neswar and to' develop the State Capital as NOLOGY AND I~ THE DEPARTMENTS a 'software city'; if so, the progress made in OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC this regard so far; and ENERGY. SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (c) whether this would be backed up by (SHRI SHIV RAJ V. PATIL): (a) and (b). a massive training programming and applica- Several incentives for the growth and deve- tion; if so, its broad outlines? lopment of electronics industry have been announced over the past 2 years in the form THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of Ii beralised licencing policies, import of a MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND large number of capital goods under OGL TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- and under concessional duty, import of raw MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, materials and components at concessional ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND duty etc. This is expected to provide the ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. necessary incentives to the electronics industry PATIL) : (a) Some US Companies have for growth in accordance with the plan. offered technologies for electronics industries in Orissa. (c) The Integrated Policy was announced in the Parliameut in March, 1985. It is too (b) Yes, Sir, the centre has decided to early to make an assessment of the impact set up a regional Super Computer at of this recent liberalisation. Bbuvaneswar. Department of Electronics bad discussions with the Government of (d) Does nat arise. Orissa and Government of Orissa has ear- marked a building for housing the super computer. This win be taken over by the Airlifting of Essent~al Medicines to Department of Electronics shortly. Govern- Bangladesh ment of Orissa has also earmarked 100 3488. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: acres of land at Chandaka in Bhuvaneswar Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS for the development of Electronics computer be pleased to state: peripherals and computer software. (a) whether airlifting of 200 packets 0 f (c) YesJ Sir, this would be backed up essential medicines to Bangladesh bad been by a training programme in computer pro- delay~d as reported in the Statesman gramming and applications. The first train- (Calcutta dated 6 June, 1985); ing course on Introduction of computers will be conducted in the last week of August in (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and which the representatives from the other states in the region are also expected to (c) the action taken by Government participate. against those responsible for this situation '1 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Llberalised Electronj~ Policy MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN): (a) 3487. SHRI K. PRADHANI : Will the and (b). The report is not correct. PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (c) Does not arise. (a) whether it is proposed to give fresh incentives to Electronics Units; Outlay for Upliitment of SCsjSTs of Orissa (b) if so, the details thereof; 3489. SHRI K. PRADHANI : Will the (c) whether any as~sment has si nee Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to been made of the liberalised electronics policy state : 93 Written Answers SRA V ANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Writ len Answers 94 (a) the outlay sanctioned for the conti- Banabasi Seva nuence during 1985-86 of the three Centrally Samiti, Balliguda) Rs. 13,640.00 sP9nsored programme of (l) research and training, (2) girls hostels for scheduled (3) Nikhil Bhara t Tribes and (3) aid to voluntary organisa- Banbasi Panchayat Rs. 1,89,136.00 tions; (c) There is no Central sector scheme (b) the funds allocated to Orissa, the for construction of hostels for Scheduled names t)f the private voluntary organisations Tribe boys. which have been or are being given the aid and the amount thereof; (d) Information on specific location of institutions in the States is not maintained. (c) the steps taken to extend the hostel scheme to Scheduled Tribes boys as well; and Ioter-State Couocil for Ioter-State Disputes (d) the places where girls and boys hostels have been set up in Orissa? 3490. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI· (a) whether the Administrative Reform~ MATI RAM DULARI SINHA): (a) and Commi~sion in its report submitted to (b). The allocation for the three Centrally Government has taken note of the failure of Sponsored Programmes for Scheduled Tribes Government to set up Inter-State Council to for 1985- t6 is as follows: deal with inter-state disputes and those between State and the Centre; Sl. No. Scheme Total alloca- (b) jf so, the reasons for this failure; tion for and 1985-86 (c) whether the constitutional prOVISion (Rs. in lakhs) for the setting up of inter-State council will be expeditiously implemented and many inter- l. Re~earch & Training 75.00 State disputes settled? 2. Girls Hostels 150.00 3. Aid to Voluntary THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Organisations 75.00 MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI The Statewise allocation in respect of ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) and Research and Training and Girls Hostels is (b) The Administrative 'Reforms Commission decided after receipt of proposals from the did not speak of the failure of the Govern- States. The allocation for Orissa will be ment to set up Inter-State Council but decided as soon as complete proposals are recommended that an Inter-State Council received from the State Government. Under should be constituted Under Article 263 of the scheme of Aid to Voluntary Organisa- the Constitution. tions no Statewise allocation is made. The grants a re given to the organisations directly. (c) The above recommendation was The organisations which were given grant-in- examined and it was decided that since aid in 1984-85 for doing welfare work among adequate arrangements already exist, there tribals in Orissa are : was no need to constitute and Inter-State Council. (1) Tagor Society for Rural Development Rs. 2,15,600.00 Enforcement of Decree witli other Countries (2) Bhartiya Adimjati Sewak Sansb (for 3491. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA~ 95 Written Answ~rs AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Answers 96 Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (c) and (d). The Government of Maha- be I'feaSed to state : rashtra have been requested to send a suitable draft scheme for the establishment of the (a) whether his ministry have failed to proposed Development Boards. The same is enter into reciprocal arrangements with other awaited from the State Government. It is countries particularly America for the not possible at this stage to indicate when enforcement of decrees awarded under the these Boards would be set up. code of civil procedure; and (b) if so, the reasons thereof? Better Avenues in Industry for Doctorates THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3493. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to (SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN): (a) state: No, Sir. (a) whether it is a fact that our Pure Science Doctorates prefer to work in the (b) Does not arise. general Science and feel discouraged to work in industrial sector and only 10 per cent of Statutory Development Board for the Doctorates are available in the Indus- Vidarbba and Marathwada : trial units; 3492. SHRI BANWARI LAL (b) if so, ,what are the reasons for the PUROHIT: Will the Minister of HOME same; AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) whether this issue has been taken up . (a) whether the resolution for setting up with the Ministry of 'Industry to offer more of Statutory Development Board (SDB) for profitable avenues to the Doctorates in the Vidarbha and Marathwada regions under larger interests of our industries while Article 371 of the Constitution has been we are trying our best to get back our passed by the Maharashtra Vidhan Sabha; scientists working abroad; and (b) if so, whether Government of Maharashtra have requested the Union (d) if not, will it be taken up soon? Government to give clearance for setting up the SDB for Vidarbha and Marathwada THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE regions; MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMERTS (c) whether the Union Government have OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC taken any decision in this regard; and ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) and (d) if so, when the Government are (b). A sample study of the Science and likely to give them clearance? Technolpgy Doctorates employed in the R&D establishments in the country THE MINISTE~ OF STATE IN THE including those public and private sector MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND indusries whose in house R&D units are COMPANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE recognised by the Ministry was recent1y con- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ducted by the Department of Science and ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN : (a) and Technology. The results of the study indicat- (b). A communication was received from the ed that about 9 per cent of the Science and Government of Maharashtra recommending Technology Doctorates were working in the cstablishment of separate Development industries covered in the sample study. Boards for Vidarbha, Marathwada and the rest of Maharashtra under the provisions of (c) and (d). The report has been circu- article 371 (2) of the Constitution on the 1ated to all Central Government Departments basis of a Resolution passed by both the including Ministry of Industry as wen as tbe Houses of State Legislature. State Governments. 97 Written Answers SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 98 Colombo Conference on Exploitation allocation of a mine site in the Indian Ocean of Indian Ocean Resources area. India's application will be taken up for registration after the rules for registration 3494. SHRI SANAT KUMAR have been finalised. This matter is being MANDAL: pursued. SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA : 'SHRI G.G. SWELL: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL U.N. Initiation for KabUl Settlement AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 3495. SHRI B. V. DESAI: Will the (a) whether India did not attend the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be conference on the exploitation of Indian pleased to state : Ocean resources convened at Colombo last month by Sri Lank a; (a) whether the Prime Minister had (b) if so, whether Government are aware called for U.N. initiative on the Kabul settlement; of the subjects discussed at this Conference and the role played by some major powers, (b) if so, whether the Prime Minister who would like to divide the littoral States had pointed out that both US and USSR are on the issue of Indian Ocean as a zone of willing to sort out this issue; peace; (c) whether India would go ahead with (c) whether this issue was raised and its sea-bed mining operations in the Indian discussed by the Prime Minister with both Ocean region; and the leaders of USA and Soviet Union during his visit; (d) if not, the reasons ther~for? (d) whether any amicable settlement was THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE like1y to be reached; MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN): (a) (e) whether Pakistan has suggested direct Yes, Sir. India did not participate in the talks with USA for settlement of Afghan conference held in Colombo from 15 to issue; and 20 July 1985 on Economic, Scientific and Technical Cooperation in the Indian Ocean (f) if so, what is the reaction of Govern- in the field of Marine Affairs in the context men t thereto ? of the new Ocean regime. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) The Government have received MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS reports regarding the outcome of the meeting (SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN) : (a) to in which certain major maritime users of (d) and (f). India has consistently been of the Indian Ocean also participated. It is the the view that all issues relating to the Afghan Government's view that the main priority at situation can be resolved only through a the moment has nocessariIy to be .on efforts negotiated political settlement. Government at achieving the convening of the Conference has accordingly supported the UN Secretary on the implementation of the Declaration General's initiative in this regard. OUf views of the Indian Ocean as a zone of peace on the subject were reiterated in course of without further delay. This Conference is of discussions with Soviet and US leaders prime importance. Nothing should be done during Prime Minister's visit to those which could result in a setback to this main countries. objective. The 5th round of Proximity Talks in (c) and (d). India, which has been accor- Geneva on this matter is commencing on ded the status of pioneer investor in terms 27th August. Government wishes these talks of resolution 11 adopted by the Third UN success. Conference on the Law of the Sea on 30 April 1982, has already applied to the (e) There has been regular consultations preparatory Commission for the Internatio- between Pakistan and USA with regard to nal Sea-bed AutQQrity for r~gistration and the situation in Afghanistan. 99 J'Vrilten Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Answers 100 Resentment Among "Halba" Commu- (d) The comments received from the nity in Maharashtra Government of Maharashtra cannot be dis- closed in the public interest. 3496. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (e) The above proposal along with pleased to state : similar other proposals are being considered in the context of the proposed comprehensive (a) whether Government are aware that revision of the lists of Scheduled Castes and there is a great resentment among the Scheduled Tribes and in consultation with "Halba" community in Maharashtra State; the concerned State Governments Union Territory Administrations and in accordancs (b) whether Government are also aware with the relevant criteria foIlowed in the that the Maharashtra State Government has matter. Comments from some of the State withdrawn the facilities enjoyed by the said Governments are still awaited. The final view community; in the matter would be taken after the comments from all the State Governments (c) whether the Halba community was have been received in full. Further, amend- enjoying the same facilities as Scheduled ment in the existing lists of Scheduled Cas- Tribes since the last several decades; tes, and Scheduled Tribes can be done only through an Act of Parliament in view of (d) whether the Maharashtra Government Articles 341 (2) and 342(2) of the Constitution. have also requested the Union Government to inc1ude the said community in the List of Setting up of Bio-Gas Centre in Scheduled Tribes; and Nasik (e) the reaction of the Central Govern- 3497. SHRJMATI USHA CHOU- ment in this regard and the time by which DHARI : Will the PRIME MINISTER be Centra) Government propose to issue orders pleased to state: to include the said community in the List (a) whether the Khadi and Village of Scheduled Tribes? Industry Commission propose to set up a National Bio-gas Centre in Nasik; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- (b) if SO~ the details thereof? MATI RAM DULARI SINHA' :(a) According to the Constitution (Scheduled Tribes) Order, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1950 amended from time to time only HaJba, MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- Halbi community has been specified as LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS Scheduled Tribes in relation to the state of OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC Maharashtra. Representations have been ENERGY, SPACE. AND ELECTRONICS. received regarding treating of 'Halba Koshti' (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATJL) : (a) and (b). as Scheduled Tribes. Commission on Additional Sources of Energy has approved allocation of a sum of (b) and (c;. The Government of Maha- Rs. 25 lakhs for Khadi and Village Industry rashtra who have inadvertently issued an Commission, Bombay for constructing a t order declaring Halba Koshtis as Scheduled building for 'Biogas Training Centre in the Tribes had withdrawn their order after it was Campus of its existing Central Training brought to the notice of the Government Institute at Nasik. A sum of Rs. 1 lakh of India. In fact this Order was against the has already been released in ad\iance to Constitution of India as the State Govern- Khadi and Village Industry Commission for ment have no power to issue such Order the purpose. under Article 342 of the Constitution. Consequently the concessions being enjoyed Demands of Workers in A t031 Ie by the persons belonging to Halba commu- Power Project nity of Koshti origin such as free studentship, 3498. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Will scholarships, reservation in services etc. the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to had been withdrawn. state: t01 Written Answers SRAVANA 23,1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 102 (a) whether there is a long-pending THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE dispute between the workers of the Madras MINISTR Y OF PERSONNEL AND Atomic Power Project, Kalpakkam and the TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE RE- Departmen t of A tom ic Energy over the FORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES demands of workers; AND PENSION AND IN THE DEPART- MENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K. P. SINGH (b) if so, whether the main issue relates DEO): (a) The dancing bear Munna was to introduction of an Incentive Bonus sent by the Indian Hotels Corporation to Scheme; Paris to perform at the Inaugural Mela of the Festival of India for which they were the (c) whether the Tamil Nadu Atomic caterers, and subsequently at their restaurant Power Employees Union has served a strike in Paris, and disappeared while in France. notice on 26 June, 1985; and (b) A group calling itself "Operation (d) the steps being taken to settle the Victor Hugo" claimed credit for the kidnap- workers' demands amicably at an early ping in the newspapers. date? (c) Munna and his keeper returned to India on 1st August, 1985. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- (d) Question does not arise. NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC [Trans/at ion] ENERGY SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) to (d:. Construction of LVlotor Road between The Madras Aton1ic Power Project Em- Kathpudiyachhin8 and Seraghat ployees' Union (Tamilnadu Atomic Power Employees' Union) had served a strike 3500. SHRI HARISH RAWAT : Will notice on 26.6.85. However, the demand of the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to the Madras At()mi~ Power Project employees state: for introducing and incentive bonus scheme (a) whether he is aware that trees and was amicably settled through negotiations forest land have been damaged due to cons- with the representatives of the Employees' truction of a motor road between Kath- Union and a Memorandum of settlement puriyachhina and Seraghat in Almora district has been signed between the management of Uttar Pradesh; and the MAPP Employees' Union. (b) whether he is also aware of the fact that lakhs of rupees have been spent on Kidnapping of Munna Bear from this road but in the absence of necessary Festival of india in France approval under the Forest (Ccnservation). Act, 1980 this road has remained half 3499. SHRI JNDRAJIT GUPTA: Will constructed for the last five years; and the Minister of CULTURE be pelased to state: (c) the time .by which necessary approval is likely to be accorded for completion of the (a) whether the dancing bear Munna, road ? which was taken to Paris for the 'Festival of India' had disappeared while in France; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (b) if so, whether it is a fact that Munna FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN.): (a) to (c). was kidnapped by some "Lovers of The Uttar Pradesh State Government sub- Animals"; mitted a proposal for approval of diversion (c) what has happened to Munna's of 2,208 ha. of forest land for construction keeper who failed to prevent his pet's dis- of the Kathpudiyachhina Seraghat road in appearance; and Almora district, under the Forest (Conser- vation) Act, 1980. In reply to the suggestion (d) steps taken by Government in the to alter the alignment of the road avoiding matter? the use of forest land, they bad reported 103 Written Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Wrillen Answers 104 that a certain length of the road including THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the portiM involving forest land bas been MINISTR Y OF TOURISM AND CIVIL oompteted. No information is, available A VIA TION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): whether any fUrther stretch of road is yet (a) No, Sir. to be completed. Since prior approval of Central Government was not obtained for (b) Does not arise. diversion of the forest land as required under (c) Indian Airlines have no plans to the Forest (Conservation) Act, 1980, the airlink Bareilly. Vayudoot also is presently State Government was asked to indicate engaged in providing airlinks to tl}e sta tions the action proposed against those responsible already identified in its first phase of expan- for the violation of the Act and measures sion programme and therefore does not taken to avoid recurrence of such violation contempla te airlinking Bareilly for the in future. The report of the State Govern- present. ment is awaited. [Trans/at ion] [English] Denudation of Forest Area Activities of Nehru Yuvak Kendras 3503. SHRI VISHNU MODI: 3501. SHRI HARISH RAWAT : \-Vill SHRI SHANT! DHARIWAL : Will the Minister of YOUTH AFFAIRS AND the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: SPORTS be pleased to state: (a) whether the attention of Government (a) w"tether any scheme is under con- has been drawn to the news item appearing sideration to expand the area of activities in 'Janasatta' dated 19 June, 1985 under the of Nehru Yuvak Kendras and to make them caption "Desh ke van Kshetra ka Chinta- more effective; and janak safaya" (Alarming denudation of the forest area of the country); (b) jf so, the salient features of the scheme and the time by which it is likely to (b) if so, the reaction of Government be finalised? thereto; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the opinion of Government regarding DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS the difference between the figures collected by AND SPORTS (SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA Government and those supplied by the SINGH) : (a) and (b). The area of activities satellite; of Nehru Yuvak Kendras has been expanded (d) whether Government are concerned recently and a new set of guidelines laying over the deforestation; and stress on character building, development of culture and physical fitness has been issued (e) if so the concrete steps taken by in this context. In order to facilitate the Government in this regard and if not, the implementation of the guidelines, the annual reasons therefor? budget of each kendra has been increased from Rs. l.22 lakh to Rs. 1.68 lakh. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MIN]STRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Linking of Bareilly by Air Service FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN): (a) Yes Sir, 3502. SHRI HARISH RAW AT: \Vill (b) The reaction of the Government is the Minister of TOURlSM AND CIVIL indicated in r~p]y to part (e) of the question. AVIATJON be pleased to stale; (c) The statistics compiled earlier by (a) whether there i:; any schen1e to link Government stated tne extent of area declared BareiJ1y with air service; legal1y as forests while the National Remote Sensing Agency has used satellite imagery to (b) if so, the time by which this air assess the extent of fOJest cover. The National service is likely to be introdu~d; and Remote Sensing Agency has also assessed the loss of forest cover between the two (c) if not, reasons therefor? periods viz. 1972-75 and 1980-82 at 9.11 lOS Written Answers SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 106 million heCtares. The estimates are being [English] analysed and refined. T. V. Manufacturing with Foreign Collaboration (d) Yes, Sir. 3504. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN (e) Concrete steps taken by Government SINHA: Will the PRIME MINISTER be to avoid deforestation and conserve forests pleased to state: as are below : (a) whether Go\'ernment are aware that 1. Enforcement of the Indian the indigenous colour television manufacturers Forest Act 1927 and of various are opposing entry of M ulti Nation~l Com- other enactments to prevent un- panies in colour television manufacturing authorised felling of trees. field as reported in the 'Hindustan Times' dated 22 July, 1985; 2. Enactment and enforcement of (b) if so, whether he has also seen the the Forest (Conservation) Act, reaction of the indigenous manufacturers to 1980. this report published in the 'Hindustan Times' of 23 July, 1985; 3. Elimination of the agency of (C) if so, the reasons for Government contractors in the working of going back on ih assurance to the television forests in most of the States! manufacturers in 1983 that foreign companies U. Ts. and brand names would not be allowed in the manufacturing in field of Colour TV; 4. Intensive studies of the problems of grazing, encroachment and (d j whether Indian companies with foreign "shifting cultivation" with a view equity participation are selling television sets to find long-term solutions. made by small sca1e sector at marked up prices as alleged by indigenous television 5. Plup and Wood chips have been manufacturers; and exempted from import duty and (e) if so, Government's reaction thereto? import duty on wood in certain Specified froms has been reduced THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to 10 per cent ad valorem. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO .. LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS 6. An inter-ministerial group has OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC been set up to study substitution ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS of wood by other products. (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) to (c) As per Industrial and Licensing, Po1icy for 7. A National Wastelands Develop- Colour Television Receiver Sets announced ment Board has been set up, in February, 1983, all sectors of industry with the object of bringing 5 were encouraged to participate. However, million hectares of land every foreign equity companies were not permitted year, under fuel wood and fodder to manufacture CTV. plantations. A people's move- As per the policy announced in Parlia- ment for afforestation is being ment on March 21, 1985 under 'Integrated developed. Efforts in regard to Policy Measures on Electronics' , Indian afforestation and conservation companies including those with foreign are being intensified as part of equity of 40 per cent or less, will no longer be the Seventh Five Year Plan. debarred from any field of electronics which is open to the organised private sector, only 8. Alternative sources of energy because of their foreign equity holding. such as biogas and fuel-saving Government is of the view that this policy devices such as improved chulhas far from affecting crv manufactures adver-' solar cookers, and water heating sely wifl take better care of consumers systems, solar timber-seasoning interest through improvement in quality and kilns etc. are being popularised. technology • 101 Written Answers AOGUS'f 14, 1985 Written Answerj 108 (d) and (e). A representation from Indian (c) if so, the details of the progress Television Manufacturers Association achieved and by when the said scheme will (ITMA) including this aspect has been be introduced in Nagpur city? received. The representation is under consi- deration of the Government. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF Colour T. V. Picture Tubes OCEAN DEVELOPMTNT ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS. 3505. SHRI SATYENDERA NARAYAN (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) No, Sir. SINHA : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (b) and (c). Do not arise. (a) whether Government has drawn up a Kidnapping of Persons by Insurgents programme for manufacture of Colour TV of National Socialist Council of picture tubes in India; Nagaland (b) whether such a plan would save 3507. SHRI B.V. DESAI: foreign exchange and bring down Colour SHRI V. TULSIRAM : T. V. prices; Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (c) whether the plan also includes mak- ing of glass shells for the tubes; and (a) whether as many as 16 people have been kidnapped from villages in Laju circle (d) if so, who are the licencees for this of Arunachal Pradesh's Tirap district by the manufacture ? insurgents of National Socialist Council of Nagaland; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- (b) if so, whether the NSCN extremists LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF operating from Indo·Burma border had OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC recently intensified their terrorist activities ENERGY, SPACE AND ELETRONICS in the area and were inc1uding in forcible (SHRI SHIVRAJ v. PATIL): (a) Yes, Sir. collection of taxes and kidnapping of local Government has taken steps for the villagers; and manufacture of colour picture tubes in the country: (c) if so, whether the neighbouring country Burma has been asked to help in (b) Yes, Sir. arresting these extremists? (c) Immediately there is no plan for the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE manufacture of the glass shells for colour MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS picture tubes. (SHRIMATI RAMDULARI SINHA): (a) Yes, Sir. 16 persons were kidnapped from (d) Does not arise. Tirap District. (b) Yes, Sir. Introduction of Science Spark Scheme (c) No, Sir. in Nagpor 3506. SHRI BANWARI LAL DetJine in Tourist Traffic to Jammu PUROHIT : Will the PRIME MINISTER aDd Kashmir be pleased to state : 3508. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: (a) whether a proposal is under consi· Win the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL deration of Government to introduce Aviation be pleased to state: Science Spark Scheme in Nagpur city (Maharashtra State); (a) whether foreign tourjs~s inflow in the country particularly in Jammu and Kashmir (b) whether any survey bas been con- has come down very fast vis-a-vis the ducted in th is regard; and estimated tourists during 1985; 109 Written Answers SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 110 (b) if so, how does it compare with include development of beach resorts, tourist traffic in 1983-84, 1984-85 and from improvement of facilities for Himalayan 1 January to 30 June, 1985; Trekking and Water Sports, preservation of National Heritage areas, flood-lighting of (c) reasons for coming of less number of monuments, development of facilities along tourists; Buddhist circuits, improvement in the quality (d) whether any steps are being taken of surface transport and development of wild to provide better amenities/facilities to life tourism. attract more tourists; and (e) Plan allocation to the Central (e) if so, funds allocated for the Department of Tourism for the promotion of purpose? tourism is Rs. 13.82 crores for the year 1985- 86, as against a plan expenditure of Rs. 5.29 (THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE crores during 1984-85. MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL) AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT: (a) and (b). Foreign tourist arrivals exclud- Development of Adivasi Area ing the nationals of Pakistan and Bangladesh 3509. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA : during the last two years and upto June Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 1985 are given below: pleased to state: Year Foreign tourist Percentage (a) the details of funds allotted for the arrivals Change development of adivasi areas of each State during the year 1985-86. 1983 8,84,731 2.9 1984 8,52,503 --3.6 (b) whether the funds allotted for the purpose are not being given at the appro- 1985 3,86,489 -11.3* priate time and due to that the progress of (upto June) work is being held up; *Compared to corresponding period of previous year. (c) whether Government have received any complaint in this regard; and The overall decline in foreign tourist (d) if so, the details thereof and the arrivals during the first half of the year 1985 steps being taken to disburse the funds allot- has also affected the tourist traffic to Jammu and Kashmir. ted for the purpose immediately so that the work for the development of adivasi areas (c) The decline in the number of tourists does not suffer ? was due to the adverse media publicity abroad of various events in India during THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1984-85 as also the disturbed political MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- conditions in a number neighbouring MA TI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) to (d). countries. Details of Special Central Assistance, which is meant for the development of Adivasi (d) The Government has initiated several areas, are given in the attached statement measures to counteract the adverse publicity State-wise. Special Central Assistance is in international media and to create confi- given in four quarterly instalments. The dence among the prospective tourists abroad. first instalments for 1985-86 was released in The steps taken to provide better amenities/ May, 1985. No complaint in this regard has facilities to attract tourists in the country been received from any State Government. III Written 4nswers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Answers 112 Statement Statement Showing the Allocation State-wise and Scheme-wise of Rs. 140 crotW for the Year 1985-86 SI. States/U. T. l.T.D.P. Primitive Pockets of Total No. Tribes Tribal Concen- tration (MADA) 1 2 3 4 5 6 (Rs. in Jakhs) 1. Andhra Pradesh 519.20 54.00 129.00 702.20 2. Assam 624.89 624.89 3. Bihar 1681.39 56.00 208.00 194~.39 4. Gujarat 993.25 10.00 115.00 1118.25 5. Himachal Pradesh 192.90 12.00 204.90 6. Karnataka 123.13 5.00 128.J3 7. Kera)a 61.57 8.00 69.57 8. Madhya Pradesh 3312.00 110.00 502.00 3924.00 9. Maharashtra 822.92 55.00 62.00 939.92 10. Manipur 244.21 5.00 249.21 11. Orissa 1661.23 55.00 168.00 1884.23 12. Rajasthan 595.13 8.00 . 300.00 963.13 13. Sikkim 3S. 14. Tamil Nadu 133.39 12.00 145.39 15. Tripura 211.37 16.00 227.37 16. Uttar Pradesh 13.34 10.00 4.00 27.34 17. West Bengal 554.09 25.00 579.09 18. A. & N. Islands 12.00 IS.oo 30.00 19. Goa, Daman & Diu 5.00 5.00 --._--_------_ ------Grand Total 11800.00 447.00 1500.00 13747.00 Reserve 53.00 53.00 Cluster Approach Reserve 200.00 11800.00 500.00 1500.00 14000.00 113 Writen Answers SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written ~wer$ 114 "Threat to West Cast Ecology by (b) if so, the issues discussed and the Pollution" recommendations made at the conference; and ,,1510. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA: SHRI SHANTARAM (c) the India's main stand on various POTDUKHE: issues before the conference ? Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (a) wbether he has seen a report in the FORESTS 'SHRI VIR SEN): (a) No, Sir. Indian Express of 23 July, 1985 to the effect An Indian delegation led by the Minister that pollution is threatening West Coast of State (Environment and Forests) attended ecology; the IX World Forestry Congress held in Mexico from 1-10 July, 1985. (b) if so, whether any steps have been ta\en to contain this pollution; tb) The issues discussed included silvi- culture and management, conservation and (c) whether this pollution has threatened protection of forest resources and wildlife .. the fish and other marine or aquatic life impact of development on forestry, levels of along the coast; and production, appropriate technology and (d) whether fish catch has also been integration of forest industries. and forestry affected by this ? science, technology, research, education, administration, policy and legislation. The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE recommendations made by the conference MINISTRY· OF ENVIRONMENT AND highligiated the forestry sector as an integral FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN) : (a) Yes, Sir. part of development of society, cOfttributing to both rural and urban communities by (b) The steps taken include: making full use of its productive and social potential. - The State Governments have been advised to formulate coastal manage- (c) The Indian stand ill the conference ment plans to ensure sustainable supported the aforesaid recommendations and development without disturbing the also stressed that the quality of environment, ecology of coastal areas; social well-being and economic growth should be the main objectives of forestry. -Under the provisions of the Water (Prevention and Control of Pollution) Act, 1974, measures are taken to "l\iaiotenance of Ecological Base" regulate discharges from land based sources; 3512. SHRI HUSSAIN DALWAI : Will the PRIME MINITER be pleased to state: -Oil Spills are checked through the coast -guard a uthori ties. (a) the steps Government have so far taken to maintain the ecological base of -Guidelines have been formulated to India, which is being disturbed on large prevent pollution from industrial and scale by developmental projects that are mining activities. under inlplementation in various States; (c) and (d) No definitive information to (b) whether the Prime Mini ster has this effect is available. issued special instructions to the Chief Ministers of all the States to take due .pre- caution for preserving ecological base while Conference on Forests in Mexico undertaking developmental activities; and 3511. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA: (c) what is the response of various States Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to to the directives of the Prime Minister? state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether he attended a conference on MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND forests held in Mexico in June 1985; FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN): (a) Steps ItS Written Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Anlwers 116 being taken to maintain ecological base THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE which is effected by large scale development MINISTR Y OF HOME AFFAIRS projects and many otber factors in various (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA): States include : Special Central Assistan~.e for" tribal sub-Plan is released to the States -Department of Environment at the in lump-sum who in turn allocate it Centre and in 18 States and Union to the Tribal Development Agencies! Territories, inter-alia, examine deve- Projects keeping, if necessary, a part of the lopment projects from enviromnental amount f,,)r taking up Tribal Development angle and suggest necessary safegua rds Project directly by themselves or through to prevent adverse impacts; Tribal Development Commissioners. The Integrated Tribal Development Agencies are -Central Pollution Control Boards and functioning in Andhra Pradesh and Orissa its counterparts in 18 States are while lTDPS function in rest of the States. trying to ensure thar air and water Some of the areas under ITDAS/ITDPS also_ pol1ution from various pollution recieve Special Centra) Assistance from the sources is kept within the permissible Hill Area Development Plan. The total limits; Special Central Assistance released to the States and Union Territories for tribal sub- -Forest Conservation Act, 1980 has Plan during 1983-R4 and 1984-85 are considerably reduced the diversion of Rs. 110.00 crores and Rs. 126.62 crores forest land for non-forestry purposes; respectively. -The National Wastelands Development Board has been set up to bring Development of Forests and degraded lands under productive use; Tribals 3514. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO: -Ecologically fragile and biologicalIy Wi]) the PRIME MINISTER be pJeased to rich areas are being preserved as state : National Parks, Sanctuaries and proposed Biosphere Reserves. (a) whether this Ministry is aware that a number of Reports have been submitted to -Special progr3mmes have been taken Government by the Committees constituted up for public participation and by the Ministries from time to time regarding awareness creation; developrnent of the Forests and Tribals; -Eco-development Camps, field demon. (b) if so, whether the recommendations stration projects and action oriented made by the Hari Singh Committee have ecodevelopment research are imple- been implemented; and mented. (c) the achievement made in this direction by the Government? (b) and (c). Communications have been addressed on "various aspects of environ- THE l\1INISTER OF STATE IN THE mental protection and these are being broadly MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENTS (SHRI followed. VIR SEN) : (a) Yes, Sir. (b) and (c). The State Governments Special Assistance for Tribal De' elop- are implementing the recommendations ment Agencies regarding elimination of intermediaries'. Forest-based industries are being established 3513. SHRI GIRTDHAR GOMANGO: by the State Governm~nts wherever feasible. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be The proposal for setting up a National pleased to state the Special Central Assistance Tribal Development Cooperative Corporation received by each J ntegrated Tribal Develop- is under consideretion, ment Agency direct from the Harijan and , Tribal Department and through different Execution of Policies of TSPA departments for the year 1983-84 and 1984-85 ? 3515. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO; 117 Written Answers SRAVANA 23,1907 (SAKA) Written Answers J IS Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (b) if so, whether a former Delhi Police pleased to state : Head Constable lodged in Tihar JaiJ tried to commit suicide 00 17 July, 1985; (a) the powers and responsibility entrus- ted to his Ministry (C.T.D. Division) as (c) if so, the facts thereof; and Nodal Ministry for Tribal Development; (d) whether any enquiry has been made (b) whether the State Governments have to find the cause for such action? also made the Tribal Development Depart- ments as Nodal Department to execute the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE policies of Tribal sub-plan areas; MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE (c) if so, the names of the States which MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI have so far adopted this procedure; and ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. (d) if not, the reasons therefor and alternate procedure- adopted State- wise? (b) Yes, Sir. (c i The accused lodged in the Tlhar THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Jail. Ne,,, Delhi as an undertrial prisoner . MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS had tried to commit suicide on 17.7.85 by (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA): (a) anegedly swallowing glass pieces from a As per Government of India' Aliocation of broken electric bulb. He \vas immediately Business) Rules 1961, the powers and rushed to the Dr. Ram Manohaf Lobia . responsibilities en trusted to the Ministry of Hospital for tr('atment and is now alright. Horne Affairs for Tribal Developn1ent has been prescribed. The Ministry of Home (d) Yes, Sir. The Tihar Jail authorities Affairs is the nodal Ministry for overall after a preliminary enquiry have referred tbe policy, planning and coordination of pro- n1atter to the Delhi Police, alongwith the grammes of development for Scheduled statement given by the undertrial, for further Tribes. In regard to sectoral programmes and investigations. schemes of development of this community, policy; planning, monitoring, evaluation etc., [Translat iOIl] as also their coordination \\ ill be the responsibility of the concerned central ~leasures to Check Destruction of Ministries, State Governments and Union Forests Territory Administrations. Each Central 3517. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: Ministry and Department will be the nodal Vtri ill the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Ministry or Department concerning its state: sector. (a) whether lakhs of trees a re used every (b) and (c). In all the States having tribal year for conversion of grah:i roads into sub-plan the Department dealing with tribal bitumen roads; development discharges the functions as nodal department. (b) whether it is a fact that as a result of this many forests have been destroyed and the (d) Does not arise. farm Wood is not utilised properly; and (c) whether Government will adopt some Suicide Bid by Former Head Cons- other measures to check the destruction of table in Tihar Jail forests and to maintain ecology and greenery if so, the details thereof? 3516. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHER- JEE : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE be pleased to state: l\1INISTRY OF ENVIRONMENI' AND FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN): (a) and (b). (a) whether his attention has been drawn Fuelwood is a conventional source for beating to the news item captioned 'Ex-Constable's of bitumen used in road-making. No informa- futile bid to end life in Tihar Jail' appearing tion is, however, available on the number of in the "Patriot" dated 18 July, 1985; trees used for the purpose. 119 Written Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 (c) Government i's actively encouraging (a) steps taken and beiDl 'taken by tlle the development of alternative and non- Government to boost liaison activities at the conventional sources of energy, in order to Indian Embassies abroad particularly in the reduce pressure on forests and help maintain capitals (If the Super power nations; greenery and ecology. (b) whether Government are aware tbat Programme to lead the Country into there are serious complaints against Indian 21st Century Embassies .in the sphere of liaison work and general alertness; and 3518. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JA1N : Will the PRIME MINISTER be (c) if so, since when and the measures to pleased to state : meet the situation? (a) the steps taken or proposed to be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE taken by Government in the fie1d of Science MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS and Technology so far to lead India into the (SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN) : (a) to 21st Century and to bring it at par with the (c). A major function of all Indian Missions highly developed countries of the world; and abroad is to project and promote our national (b) whether a copy of detailed programme interests, policies and to implement Govern- in this regard will be laid on the Table of the ment directives is~ued from time to time. This House ? involves not only active interaction with the host Governments but also contacts with the tHE MINISTER OF STATE lN THE public, local organisa lions, Indian communi- MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- ties ar·d effective external publicity. The LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF Ministry continuously monitors the function- OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ing of Indian Missions abroad and takes ~'NERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS necessary supportive measures where circums- (SHRI SH1VRAJ V. PATIL); (a) and (b). tances so warrant. In preparing for the Science and Technology activities to be taken up in the Seventh Plan, MsnlJfacturing of T. V. With Indi- it has been noted that there are major new genous Components areas emerging on the world scientific scene of great importance from a scientific angle as 3520. SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH: Will well as in terms of their potential for appli- the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : cation. These are : Microelectronics, informa- tics and tolematics; biotechnologies; material (a) whether T.V. set can be manufac- sciences; oceanography; instrumentation; tured with hundered per cent indigenous several areas in chemistry, modern biology components in India particularly by the and earth sciences; space technologies, etc. In Government undertakings specialised in this the Seventh Plan, with the fiscal and human trade; resources available, it would not be possible to deal with all the problems of areas of (b) if so, since when and the international Science and Technology at the same time; acceptability in terms of quality and economy; tbere bas to be a degree of selectivity and and allocation of priorities. Appropriate provision (c) if not, the progress made in terms of ~ been made ia the Seventh Five Year Plan tbe percentage of indigenous components and of concerned Mibistries/Departments for promoting Research and Development in the estimated time when the hundred per these fields. . cent indigenous status will be achieved ? (English) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- Complaints Against EmbaSSies Abroad NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC 3519. SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH: Will ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be (SHRI SHIVRAJ v. PATIL): (a) No, pleased to' state : Sir. 1,11 SRAVAN A 23. 1.901 (SAKA) Written Answers 122 (b) Does not arise. (b) if so, the progress made up till now; and (c) In the case of Black and White TV sets nearly aU the components are manufac- (c) if not, whether such joint ventures tured indisenously except ICs~ Semi-conductor can be undertaken either with USSR or USA? De-v~s and certain Ferrites. In the case of Colour TV over 80 per cent of tbe Electronic THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Components used in its manufacture are MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- currently being imported. In the latter case it LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF is estimated that most of these conlponents OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC for Colour TV will be indigenised by 1988. ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIl) : (a) Yes, Sir. Growth Rate of Orissa (b) and (c). Indja has been having very 3521. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: active cooperation in space activities with a Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased number of countries including USSR and to state: USA. (a) whether the Planning Commission Cooperative efforts with USSR began as have made any study regarding growth rate early as 1963. Some of the major early of Orissa at present; cooperative programmes were the lunching of Aryabhata and Bhaskara satellites. One of (b) if so, the details regarding its progress the recent major events was the flying of the during Fifth Plan as well as Sixth Five Year first Indian cosmonaut, Shri Rakesh Sharma, Plan period; and on a 'Salyut' mission. In addition, large number of scientific experiments have been (c) what new efforts have been proposed conducted including launching of M ·100 to increase the growth rate during the Seventh rockets from Thumba Equatorial Rocket Fivt Year Plan peroid to bring the St~te at Launching Station (TERLS) from joint studies par with other advanced States? in meteorology and aeronomy, and satellite observations from the Satellite Tracking and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Ranging Station at Kavalur set up under an MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI K. R. agreement between ISRO and Inter Cosmos NARA YANAN) : (a) No, Sir. However the Council of the USSR Academy of Science. In estimates of Net State Domestic Product are addition, a number of scientific areas for being prepared by the State Government. possible cooperative efforts are under discus- sion. (b) According to the available date the Net State Domestic Product at constant Similarly there have been major joint (1970-71) prices increased from Rs. l1tO.SO ventures in space programmes with USA since crores in 1973-74 to Rs. 1328.20 crores in 1963. One of the major cooperative pro- 1978-79. At the end of 1982-83 it stood at grammes was the Satellite Instructional Tele- Its. 1375.50 crores. vision Experiment (SITE). India is also receiv- ing data from the US Remote Sensing satellite (c) The Seventh Plan is being finalised. LANDSAT and also from US Meteorological Satellites. It. US Company has built the first generation INSAT Satellites and these have Joiut Space Research programme been launched by the National Aeronautics with USSR/USA and Space Administration (NASA) of USA. An Indian payload specialist will accompany 3522. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN nAS INSAT-IC on the US-NASA Space shuttle MUNSI : Will the PRIME MINISTER be flight scheduled for July 1986. 'Anuradha' the pteased to state : Indian payload for cosmic-rays studies. was integrated with the US Space Shuttle launched (a) whether India bas undertaken any in April 1985. In addition, a number of areas jOint space research programme with USSR; for possible cooperation are under discussion. 123 Written Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Wrilten Answers i24 Formation of Regional Institute for Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, Engineering S pace Research etc., that are taught in Indian schools and colleges are considered to be adequate to 3523. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS meet the current needs of space research in MUNSI : Will the PRIME MINISTER be the country, since such fresh intakes are pleased to State: given on-the-job training within the Depart- (a) the number of scientists engaged in ment of Space itself to orient them for diffe- space research work in the country; rent activities of the Space Department. The curricular . content may, however, need (b) whether there is any proposal to set periodic revision in the light of experience up regional institutes for space research to gained and progress in space activities. involve young space scientists and students; This is a continuing process as part of review of the educational needs of the country. (c) whether exclusive subject on space is proposed to be included in degree or post- graduate level for space technology and Relief and Rehabilitation of research; and Victims in Punjab and Delhi Riots (d) if so, the details thereof '? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3524. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- M UNSI: Will the Minister of HOME LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF AFFAIRS be pleased to state: OCEAN DEVELOP~IENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (a) the total amount of money already (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) The number spent for relief and rehabilitation programme of SCientists/Engineers engaged in various in Punjab and Delhi after the disturbances activities relating to Space Sciences, Techno- in November, 1984; logy and Applications in the Department of (b) whether any development programme Space (including the two grant-in-aid institu- on sports, cultural activities and women tions under the Department of Space viz., welfare including the employment opportuni- Physical Research Laboratory (PRL), ties of the Punjab youth is under active con- Ahmedabad and National Remote Sensing sideration of the Government; and Agency (NRSA.!, Hyderabad, as on 31.3.1985 is 3546. In addition, a number of Scientists in the country are engaged in Space Sciences, (c; if so, the details thereof? Space T echno}ogy and also Applications in various academic institutions, national THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE laboratories and industries. Ii is difficult to MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS estimate their precise number. (SHRIMATI RAM DULHARI SINHA): (a) An amount of Rs. 4,66,11,000/- has been (b) No. Sir. paid as relief to the victims in Delhi. In addition Rs. 27,27,580/- has been paid to (c) and (d). No, Sir. Space technology is persons whose properties had been destroyedj a highly interdisciplinary subject which re- damaged and Rs. 32.50 crores has been quires a knowledge of many disciplines. sanctioned as bank loans to the victims. Knowledge aquired through the study of the basic disciplines of Physics, Mathematics, In Punjab an amount of Rs. 5,51,493/.. Chemistry and all disciplines of Engil,leering, has been disbursed in cash and kind to needy such as mechanical, electrical, electronics, families. material sciences etc., is applied to the speci- fic situations and circumstances that are (b) and (c). An amouot of Rs. 102 lakhs encountered in space. At an advanced level, has been provided during 1985-86 for en- some special subjects dealing a little more couraging sports in Punjab. A Zonal specifically with space are taught in a few Cultural Ci!ntre is being set up at Patiala. institutions of higher learning as a part of A task force has been set up for formulating specialisation in a basic discipline. Thus, the schemes for tackling unemployment in tbe ~ourses in the basic disciplines such as State. 125 Written Answers SRAVANA 23,1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 126 Electronic units by Non-Resident . (a) whether the Intelligence organisations Indians under the Central Government ha ve been geared up to cover the sphere of corruption ,,3525. SHRI V. TULSI RAM: Will the at high levels; and PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (b) if so, the number of cases taken up (a) whether it is a fact that non-resident and disposed of on the basis of reports from Indians have offered to set up electronic the Intelligence organisations? units in the country; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the details of non-resident MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND Indians/companies who are willing to set up TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE RE- such units locations thereof and the estim~ted FORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES expenditure to be incurred on setting up such units; AND PENSION AND IN THE DEPART- MENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO) : (a) The central Bureau of Investiga- (c) whether such a unit wi]) be set up in tion being the main organisation concerned Andhra Pradesh, if so, details thereof and if not, reasons therefor; and with corruption in administration has been geared up for discharging this task effectively. (d) the steps being contemplated by Government to set up such units in Andhra (b) During the period from 1.1.1985 to Prad~sh ? 30.6.1985, the Central Bureau of Investigation has taken up 554 cases. Out of the these, 334 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE relate to Gazetted Officers. Out of 554, 471 MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- cases were registered on the basis of informa- LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF tion collected by it<; own staff. During the OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC period 559 cases were disposed off including ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS the cases registered earlier. (SHRI SHIVRAJ v. PATIL): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) Several parties have been granted Shifting of Rajkot Airport Letters of Intent/approvals for setting up of 3527. SHRI DIGVIJAY SINH: Will electronic units in areas such as telephone the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL instruments, computers, paging equipment, AVIATION be pleased to state: payphones. telephones answering machines, mini-computer, microprocessor-based systems (a) whether certain encroachnlents have and related products, video tapes, computer taken place in the funnel of the runway of software etc. Some of these are approved Rajkot airport; as 100 per cent export oriented units. These units have been approved in different loca- (b) steps taken to remove these; and tions witt.in the country. The investments differ from case to case. (c) in case there are difficulties as to evacuate, whether it will be considered to shift (c) Yes, Sir. Some units have already the airport to a site to the north of the c_ity been approved in Andhra Pradesh. of Rajkot ? (d) Non-resident Indians are given freedom to select location of their choice THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE within the permissible areas. It is upto the MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL State Governments concerned to attract such AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): investments from non-resident Indians by (a) No, Sir. extending spedal incentives. (b) and (c). Do not arise Measures to Curb Corruption at top level Pollution by industries in Goa 3526. SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH: Will 3528. SHRI DIGVIJAY SINH: Will the PR.IME MINISTER be pJeased to state: the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: 127 Written Answ~rs AUGUST 14, 1985 128 (a) the industries which are in the Union (c) whether perfQflll4nce is C®$idered Territory of Goa creating hazards of pollu- satisfactory; and tion; and (d) whether perspeCtive national p1ae for (b) how many have been prosecuted and optimum tree pJantatioo has. beoa draWD up ?- the results thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN T® THE MINISTER OF ST A TE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SRI VIR SEN): (a) The plant- FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN) : (a) and (b). ing target for Delhi for 1985-86 is 28 lakb Prosecution were launched against four seedlings of various species. The details of industries which were causing pollution last three years' plantations and survival problems. Prosecutions against three industries rates for 1983-84 and 1984-85 are being have since been withdrawn on compliance of collected and will be placed on the Table of pollution control measures. the House. Plantation of trees in Delhi (b) Separate information in terms of number of trees planted through Centrally 3529. SHRI CHINTA MOHAN: Will aided programmes is not maintained. How- the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : ever, 713.27 crore trees have in all been (a) whether 28 lakh trees are to be planted during the last three years in tb~ planted this year in Delhi alone and if so, country. The details of survival are given in details of such plantation for last three years the attached statement. and survival ra te : (c) Yes, Sir. (b) how many trees have been planted by various State Governments under Centrally (d) During the Seventh Five Year Plan aided programmes during the last three years it is proposed to strengthen the afforestatio.n indicating survival rate; efforts. Statement SI. No. State/U.T. 82-83 83 ... 84 84-85 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. J. State : 1. Andhra Pradesh 65 80-90 65-99 2. Assam 65 50-95 60.. 90 3. Bihar 86 55-94 83·90 4. Gujarat 80 50-100 60-100 5. Haryana 75 85-95 85 .. 90 6. Himachal Pradesh 60-90 90-95 80.. 100 7. Jammu and Kashmir 65 SO .. 100 50-80 8. Karnataka 75 85-90 9. Kerala 75 70 .. 90 70 .. 100 10. Madhya Pradesh 81 65-96 70-90 11. Maharashtra 75 90.. 100 20·95 12. ManipUf 71 70-80 65-95 13. Meghalaya 94 8Q-9S 6O-9S 129 Writf~n Answers SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written Ar.$w~rJ 130 14. Nagaland 90 90-100 80-95 IS. Orissa 50 80-98 • 16. Punjab 75 90-95 80-95 17. Rajasthan 75 66-90 NA 18. Sikkim 75 75-95 90 19. Tamil Nadu 73-82 85 75 20. Tripura 74 85-100 80-97 21. Uttar Pradesh 81 80-99 80-95 22. West Bengal 95 85-90 80-95 n. Union Territories: 23. Andaman and Nicobar Islands. 80 90 • 24. Arunachal Pradesh 75 79-90 • 25. Chandigarh 87 95-100 90 26. Dadra and Nagar Haveli 75 • • 27. Delhi 63 90 • 28. Goa, Daman and Diu 70 79-90 • 29. Lakshadweep •• •• 30. Mizoram 80-90 70-100 • 31. Pondicherry 75 •• .* *Not monitored during the period. ··Not proposed to be monitored. Information for the year 1982-83 is based on reports furnished by the State/U.T.s. Governments. Discontinuation of Bangalore-Belgaum (c) There is no such proposal under con- BangaJore Air Services sideration at present. 3530. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER: Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL Scientific Training for Athletes A VIA TION be pleased to state: 3531. PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND (a) whether the Bangalore·Belgaum- CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: Bangalore air services have been discon- tinued; (a) whether Government are aware that athletes in the country need special scientific (b) if so, reasons therefor; and training to compete in international meets; (c) whether Government will introduce and atleast Vayudoot Services on the route Bangalore-Belgaum-BangaJore immediately (b) jf so, the steps being taken to im- to help the people of Belgaum, Hubli and prove competitiveness and overall standards Dharwad to reach Bangalore ? of athletes? THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): AND SPORTS (SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA (a) Yes, Sir SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. . (b) The service was withdrawn due to (b) The national sports federation~ wbo Poor passenger demand. select sports persons for international com- 131 Written Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Answers 132 petitions, are assisted financially by Govern- (i) "Science and Technology Appli- ment and technically by the Netaji Subbas cation for Rural Development". National Institute of Sports, Patiala to train the selected persons so as to improve, inter- (ii) "Science and Technology for alia, their overall standards and competi- Weaker Sections of Society". tiveness. (iii) "Science and Technology for Women". Tribal ne"elopment through Science and Technology The main objective of the scheme being to improve the condition of women through 3532. DR. K. G. ADIYODI : Will the application of Science and Technology. PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: S & T schemes envisage development (a) steps taken for catalysing tribal of technologies relevant for rural and tribal development by the application of Sdence areas. It is for the respective State Govern- and technology through training, demonstra- ment to con5ider setting up of such units in tions' field trials and research, Statewise; any area, if needed. However, one demons- and tration-cum-training centre by National (b) number of such units functioning in Research Development Corporation (NRDC) Wynad, Idukki and Palghat in Kerala ? is functioning at Vellanad, District Trivan- drum, Kerala which is very close to the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tribal belt. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS Tourist Concession Travel Tickets in OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC Air India ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ v. PATIL) : (a) and (b). 3533, SHRI E. A YY APU RE DDY : Science and Technology inputs relevant to Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL tribal development are facilitated through AVIATION be pleased to state: the involvement of scientists and research (a) whether there are proposals to intro- groups at scientific institutions, research duce tourists concession travel tickets in laboratories, Universities and other academic Air India and also in the Indian Airlines; organisations, as also through scientists and working in voluntary agencies in rural areas. The National Research Development Corpo- (b) whether any concessions are given ration of India (NRDC) has taken action to to foreign tourists or when the Air tickets propagate relevant technologies through are purchased in foreign currency and if so, specially set up demonstration-cum-training the extent of the concessions? centres in different parts of the country. The Council for Advancement of rural THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Technology under the Ministry of Rural MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL Development has programmes under which A VIATJON (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) projects for catalysing tribal deve10pment Yes, Sir. by the application of science and technology (b) Indian Airlines offers the following through training, demonstrations, field trials schemes to the foreign tourists when the and research are supported. Two projects tickets are purchased in foreign currency: are being implemented in Pa)ghat District in Kerala. Projects are also supported in (i) "Discover India" fare for US $ Bihar and Andhra Pradesh. 375 offering unlimited travel to all stations within a period of The Department of Science and Techno- 21 days provided no station is logy has the following schemes in the Seventh touched twice. Five Year PJan for application of Science and Technology inputs, which will have (ii) Youth Fare India @ 75 per cent relevance to development programmes of in US $ to foreign nationals weaker sections of the society, including within the age group of 12 to 30 tribal areas. years. 133 Written Answers SRAVANA 23.1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 134 (iii) lATA/Airlines Employees' Dis- 3. With a view to integrating the flow count @ 50 per cen t of the of funds from SCA, State Plan and othet normal US $ fare. sources, separate sub-Plans have been pre- pared in respect of these hill areas. In the (ivl South Indian Excursion Fare- case of Western Ghats States, however, sub- offering 30 per cent discount on Plan approach is not being followed due to the normal US $ fare. operational difficulties in segregating the State Plan flow of funds at taluka level. (v) India Wander Fares-@ US $ 200 for each region and valid for 4. The main thrust of the strategy for 7 days. development of hill areas during the Sixth Five Yean Plan has been to ensure socio- economic growth in harmony with ecologi- Air India also offers a number of con- cal balance. The plan schemes formulated cessional fares from many parts of the world in this context aim at better land-use and to India both for indi vidual as well as group control of soil erosion; watershed manage- travel. ment; afforestation; silvipasture development; Plantation crops and forestry in steep slopes. Stress has been laid on integrating Development of Hills all sectoral activities. 3534. KUMARI PUSHPA DEYl : Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state : Snedish Aid for Social Forestry Projects (a) the schemes implemented for the development of hilly areas in Sixth Plan; 3535. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (b) the nan1e of the State where such schemes have been implemented; and a) whether Government have sought Swedish aid for implementing some social (c) the measures undertaken for the forestry project in the country; development of hilly areas in those States in the above plan period? (b) if so, the total amount of assistance likely to be obtained from Sweden to imple- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ment Social Forestry Project in the country; MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI K. R. NARAY ANAN) : (a) to (c). With a view to (c) the names of the States where accelerating the development of hill areas in Sweden aided social forestry p:-0ject is going the country, a Hill Areas Development Pro- to be implemented; and gramme (HADP) has been in operation since the inception of the Fifth Five Year Plan i. e. 1974-75. The areas covered under (d) the details thereof? HADP are in the States of U.P., Assam, Tamil ~adu and West Bengal and in the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Western Ghats region falling in the States MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND of Maharashtra, Kerala, Karnataka, Tamil FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN) : (a) Yes~, Nadu and Union Territory of Goa. Sir. 2. Special Central Assistance (SeA) is (b) to (d). Sweden-aided social forestry provided to the States under HADP to sup- projects are being implemented in the States plement their own efforts in accelerating the of Tamil Nadu, Orissa and Bihar. The development of these areas. The SeA is over total amount of assistance likely to be and above the normal Central Assistance obtained from Sweden is US $ 88.5 million. provided to the States for their annual and The details are given in the State-ment five year plans. appended. ll~ Writte" A"sw." AUGUST 14, 1985 Wrltien A1ISWt!rs 136 Statement Planting activity SIDA (ha./million seedlings (m.s.) Total Assis- r------A ------, Period cost tance Total Achievement Target for of the (Rs. in (US$ Project 1985-86 State Project. crores) million) target 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. Tamil Nadu 1981-86 45.0 33.0 176450 98053 35290 + 50.1 m.s. +63.55 m.s. +7.50 m.s. +6075 +6052 + 1215 row k.m. row k.m. row k.m. Orissa 1983-88 23.0 19.0 57600 3519 12320 +51.0 m.s. + 14.95 m.s. 12.0 m.s. Bihar 1985-91 53.8 36.5 158100 6200 +20.5 m.s. + 5.0 m.S. Total 121.8 88.5 392150 + 101572 + 262068+ 6075 row + 6052 km+ 1215 km + 121.6 m.s. 78.45 m.s 24.5 m.s. Setting up of Yatri Niwas in Kerala Vayudoot Se"ice in Kerala 3536. SHRI T. BASHEER : Will the 3537. SHRI M. RAMACHANDRAN: Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL A VIA- Will the Minister of TOURISM AND nON be pleased to state : CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: (a) whether there is any proposal to (a) whether the Government of Kerala set up Yatri Niwases anywhere in Kerala has approached his Ministry to provide during the Seventh Plan to develop internal "Vayudoot Service" connecting the major tourism; district headquarters in Kerala; and (b) if so, the details thereof; and (b) considering the fast development of (c) if not, reasons therefor? Cannanore district and the increasing number of passengers to Mysore and Manga)ore from Cannanore, whether Government are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE considering to connect these places by -MINISTRY OF TOURIS:vl AND CIVIL "Vayudoot Services" ? AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) and (c). Gover3ment of Kerala had MINISTR Y OF TOURISM AND CIVIL submitted a proposal fvr financial assistance AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): for the construction of a Yatri Niwas at (a) No, Sir. Quilon. They have been requested to for- ward detailed plans with estimates, which ( b) No such proposal is under conside- are awaited. tation of the Government. Written Answers SRAVANA 23,1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 138 Complaint Against after sale service (d) the time by which a decision will be by ECIL taken? 3538. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Win the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS state: (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether Electronics Corporation of India Limited do not sell their T. V. sets (b) to (d) : The Rural Development particularly ecnomy model "Premier" in Ministry is streamlining the implementation mufusil towns; and reviewing the deficiencies in the I.R.D.P. (b) if so, the reasons therefor, Programmes. (c) whether there are serious complaints Setting up of Nehru Yuvak Keudras against after sales service being offered by Electronics Corporation of India Limited; 3540. SHRI M. RAMACHANDRAN: and Will the Minister of YOUTH AFFAIRS (d) jf so, steps Government have taken AND SPORTS be pleased to state: in this regard ? (a) whether it is a fact that Nehru Yuvak THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Kendras have failed to a great extent to MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- bring non-student rural youth within their LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF fold; OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) and (b). Electronics Corporation of India Ltd. sells (c) whether Government intend to start their TV sets only in those areas where satis- Nehru Yuvak Kendras in the backward factory after sales service can be provided districts of W:vnad, Kasaragod and Pathanan- either through their service networks or tbilla ? through a trained sales and service dealer. Wherever these arrangements are available, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE "Premier" sets are also ,sold subject to avai- DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS labnjty. AND SPORTS (SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. (c) No, Sir. (b) Does not arise. (d) Does not arise' (c) Subject to availabililY of resources, IRDP for Tribals ; Government intends to start one Nehru "uvak Kendra in each district of the 3539. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL: country during the Seventh Plan Period. KUMARI PUSAPA DEVI : Will tbe Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Economically viable schemes for Scheduled Tribes in Orissa (a) whether his attention has been invited to the news item Captioned "Rs. 500 crore 3541. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL : master plan for Bastar" appearing in 'Hindu- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be stan Times' of July, 1985. pleased to state: (b) whether the Intergrated Rural (a) whether his Ministry has been imple- Development Programme has to be expanded menting economically viable schemes for the so that more benefits could be given to the Scheduled Tribes with provision of margin tribals; money, through the different State Scheduled Castes Finance Co-operative Corporation as (c) if so, when the exercise by Govern- is being done for the Scheduled Castes at ment will start; and present; 139 Written Answers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Answers 140 (b) whether such economically viable Amount Spent on Pay Load schemes have been implemented for the Aouradha Scheduled Tribes in Orissa; 3543. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PAT .. (c) if so, since when; and NAIK: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (d) the details of such schemes imple- mented in Orissa for ST so far? (a) the amount spent so far on launching the Indian Pay-load Anuradha; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether Anuradha is the fore-runner MINISTRY OF HOME AEFAIRS of a new series of space research programmes; (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) and Yes, Sir. Some State Scheduled Caste Finance Co-operative Corporations are im- (c) if so, the details thereof? plementing such schemes for Scheduled Tribes. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH .. (b) and (c) : Yes Sir. In Orissa such NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS schemes have been implemented since 1983-84 OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRO .. (d) The Schemes of dugwells, supply of NICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : milch cow, goat and sheep rearing, cottage (a) The amount spent as on 30.4.1985 industries etc. are being implemented. 3824 on the launching of the Indian pay load ST beneficiaries have been covered upto Anuradha is Rs. 32.26 lakhs. January, 1985. (b) and (c). Anuradha is one of the important Scientific experiments in tbe Launching of ASL V Indian Space Programme. Weighing about 33 kgs. the experiment was designed to 3542. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL : measure the time of arrival and direction of Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to impinging cosmic particles. It was specially state : designed to track and record the anomalous components of low energy galactic and solar (a) The scheduled time of launching cosmic rays. The new seientific data gathered Augemented Satellite Launch Venile (ASLV); by the experiment is expected to provide (b) When the above ASL V is expected major clues towards understanding the origin to be launched; of low energy cosmic rays and in tum will give some insight into the role of cosmic rays (c) whether it is likely to be 1aunched as in the origin and evolution of life on earth. scheduled: and It will take a few months for analysis of data. Space Science experiments have been (d) if not, the steps taken to launch conducted from ground as weU as from ASLV on its scheduled time ? space platforms, balloons, rockets, satellites and orbiting space shuttles and hence, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE although, Anuradha is an important experi- MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- ment, it is not the forerunner of a new series LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF of space research programmes. OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS Space Research Proj~ts (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) The Augmented Satellite Launch Vehicle (ASLV) 3544. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PAT- was scheduled for launch for October 1985. NAIK: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (b) to (d). The launch has been delayed by 3 months to avoid the cyclone season (a) the number of Research Projects that and is now expected to take pJace in early have been undertaken by the Department of 1986. Space at present; 141 Writ len Answer& SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 142 (b) how many of those Space Research Hsed satellite in sunsynchronous Projects are due for commissioning by the orbit at an altitude of 900 !'m for end of Decemer 1985; and remote sensing applications for- management of natural resources in (c) the details thereof? the country. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 5. INSAT II Test Spacecraft Project MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS The first generation IN SAT -I OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT ATOMIC spacecraft, which are procured and ENERGY, SPACE AND ELEcrRONICS also launched from abroad are (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) The planned to be replaced by second Research and Development projects that have generation INSAT -II Spacecraft been sanctioned and undertaken by the which will be indigenously designed Department of Space at present are the and built and eventually launched following: from India. The INSAT-II Test Spacecraft Project envisages building 1. The AUgmented Satellite Launch of two test spacecraft of the new series in India by the Indian Space Vehicle (ASL V) Project Research Organisation (ISRO) and The ASLV Project will enhance the essential augmentation of faci- capability to launch 150 kg. class lities for spacecraft development, satellites (Stretched Rohini Satellite test and on-orbit management. Series or SROSS) in near-earth orbits. The objective of the Project (b) and (c). The Augmented Satellite is to provide a test vehicle/work- Launch Vehicle with a SROSS satellite on horse rocket for flight-testing impor- it was scheduled for launch in October, tant systems for future launch 1985. The launch has been delayed by vehicles/satellite programmes, and three months to avoid the cyclone season to develop and prove tech- and is now expected to take place in ear1y noiogies such as strap-on technology, 1986. S-Band telemetry system, closed loop guidance etc., which are Cultural Agreement witb Turkey needed for larger launch vehicle. 3545. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PAT- 2. Stretched Rohini Satellite Series NAIK : Will the Minister of CULTURE be (SROSS) Project: pleased to state: These 150 kg class satellites will be (a) whether Government have signed put into orbit by the ASLV Cultural Agreement with Turkey; launcher. These will provide a satellite platform fot conducting (b) whether the agreement provides for technological and scientific experi- the establishment of Chairs of Turkis ments and other applications. studies in Indian Universities and vice- versa; 3. Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) Project (c) if so, steps taken to implement the agreement~ and This project envisages development of an Indian Launch vehicle to (d) details of the Cultural Agreement place an Indian R emote Sensing signed between India and Turkey ? SateUite of 1000 kg class in polar sun -synchronous orbit from an THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Indian range. MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND 4. Indian Remote Seosing Satellite TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE RE- (LRS) Project: FORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSION AND IN THE DEPART.. This project envisages indigenous MENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K. P. SINGH ~velopmcnt Qf a tbrQe·ax;is $tabi- OEO): (a) Yes, Sir. 143 Written An~wers AUGUST 14, 1985 Written Answers 144 (b) Yes, Sir. Supply of Missiles to Pakistau by U.S.A. (,;) A Chair af Indian Studies has been established at the Ankara University wnile a 3547. SHRI B. V. DESAI: Chair of Turk ish studies is being established SHRI AJOY BISWAS : at the lawaharlaI Nehru University, New SHRI V. TULSIRAM : Delhi. SHRI P. NAMGYAL: SHRI MUKUL WASNIK: (d) The Cultural Agreement provides, SHRI RANJIT SINGH inter-alia. for the exchange of University GAEKWAD: teachers and members of scientific and SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY : cultural institutions; award of scholarships SHRI RAM SINGH YADAV for higher studies; establishment of cultural SHRI KAMAL NATH : institutes in each other's territory; promotion PROF. K. K. TEWARI: of cultural and intellectual exchanges by, SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- inter-alia, establishing chairs in universities GRAHl for the teaching of subjects pertaining to Will the Minister of EXTERNAL each other's country; encouraging sports AFFAIRS be pleased to state : competitions and collahoration between scouts organisations; striving equivalence of (a) whether U.S.A. is rushing one diplomas and degrees; etc. In order to imple- hundred sidewinder missiles and a large ment the provisions of the agreement, the number of shoulder-fired stinger missiles to two countries have concluded, from time to Pakistan; time, . 2-3 years Cultural Exchange Pro- (b) if so, whether four hundred more grammes containing specific exchanges for sidewinders are expected to be supplied implementation during a particular period. soon; The Cultural Exchange Programmes for the (c) whether this decision of U. S. years 1985 -1987 was signed on 2nd March, Government to supply the arms was taken 1985. after our Prime Ministers visit to that country; and ReservatiOn for Backward Classes is (d) if so, the reaction of Union Govern- Union Territories ment thereon ? 3546. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN: WiJI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS to state: (SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN): (a) to (c). Government are aware that in March (a) whether some Union Territories have this year the Government of U.S.A. provided reservation for backward classes for annoDced that it was going to supply 500 admission in educational institutions, pro- Sidewinder missiles to Pakistan. The U.S. fessional or otherwise and for recruitment to Government's decision to expedite the supply public services; of some sidewinder missiles and to rush the Stinger missiles to Pakistan was announced (b) if so, details of such reservations for on July 11, 1985. backward classes in those Union Territories; and (d) Government's continuing concern regarding the acquisition of sophisticated (c) the Union Territory-wise break-up weapons by Pakistan from USA has been of the position in the matter? conveyed to the US Gevernment on several occasions. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Setting up of Electrical Research MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- Development Association in PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY Gujarat OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (c). The 3548. SHRI V. TULSJRAM : Will the information is being collected and wiJl be Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY laid on the Table of the House, be pleased to state : 145 Written Answers SRA VANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answer~ 146 (a) whether it is a fact that Electrical Development of Army in Gujarat Research Development Association in Gujarat has recently been equipped with sophisticated 3549. SHRI D. B. PATIL : SHRI RANJIT SINGH testing and other equipments; GAEKWAD: SHRI NARSINGH (b) if so, the expenditure incurred there- MAKWANA: on and how it was met; Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) who are the collaborators for setting up the project and"when it was set up; (a) whether Army bas been deployed in Gujarat State in connection with anti-reser- vation agitation in that State; (d) whethet there is any proposal under the consideration of the Government to set (b) the number of cities and bow many up such projects in Andhra Pradesh, if so, times the army has been deployed and the details thereof together with the names of period in each case; collaborators; and (c) how many times in all the artIly (e) if not, the reasons therefor? resorted to firings; (d) the number of casualties and injured THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE persons due to firing by army; MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- (e) whether army personnel were attacked NOLOGY, AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS and if so, how many times; and OF OCEAN DEVELOI!MENT, ATOMIC ENERGY. SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (f) the total amount of expenditure so (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir. far incurred by the Centre/State Govern- The laboratories of Electrical Research and ments on development of these anne d Development Association at Vadodara have forces? been equipped with modern analytical and testing equipment. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTR Y OF HOME AFFAIRS (b) The capital expenditure on the. (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA): (a) ERDA laboratories was Rs. 236 lakhs till Yes, Sir. 31st March, 1985. This capital expenditure was shared one-third each by C.S.I.R., (b) Army assistance was provided in Government of Gujarat and ERDA Ahmedabad and Vadodara for the following members. periods: Ahmedabad (~) ERDA sought technical assistance (i) From 19th March to 2 April, from tbe Laboratories Central Des Industries 1985 Electrique (LCIE), France for the planning and layout of its laboratories especially the (ii) From 16th April to 16th July, Materials laboratory. The work on setting 1985 up the Materials and Distribution Equip- J'adodara ments Laboratory was completed in March, 1985. From 21st April to 16th July, 1985 (d) There is no proposal to set up such (c) Army resorted to firing on 32 a project in Andhra Pradesh. occasions. (d) 28 persons were killed and 40 were (e) ERDA is a cooperative Research injurred. ASSOCiation with members drawn from manufacturers, users of equipment as well (e) There were two incidents of stone as of power generating organisations and it is throwing on troops in Vadodara. deSigned to meet the needs of all States and Regions. (0 Information in being collected. Written Amwen 148 141 Written AnswerJ AUGUST 14, 1985 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Alleeation by States for Industrial Development MIN ISTR Y OF PLANNING (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN): (8) A statement is liven 3550. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : below. Will tbe Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state: (b) The information about State-wise investment in the private sector during the ~) the allocation made by the States for Sixth Plan is not available. The gross industrial development during Sixth Five capital formation in the private corporate Year Plan; and and cooperative sectors dlVing the first 4 (d) tbe private sector investment made years of the Sixth Plan is estimated to be during Sixth Five Year Plan; State-wise? Rs. 20964 crores at current prices. Statement (Rs.lakbs) Total (Cols States Village & Small Medium & Mining Industries Large 2+3t-4) Industries 5 1 2 3 4 10566 Andhra Pradesh 3000 5566 2000 Assam 3000 2200 275 5475 9865 Bihar 4700 4515 650 16110 Gujarat 6150 8810 1150 3086 Haryana 1946 1100 40 1805 Himachal Pradesh 905 800 100 7277 Jammu & Kashmir 3470 3307 500 16268 Kamataka 7400 8660 208 15950 Kerala 4980 10820 150 6895 Madbya Pradesh 3340 2980 575 Maharashtra 6026 12940 250 19216 2000 Manipur 1250 700 50 950 Meghalaya 400 450 100 1200 Nagalaod 500 440 260 Orissa 2700 3200 600 6500 8168 Punjab 2061 6087 20 Rajasthan 1950 4509 1900 8359 Sikkim 360 174 120 654 Tamil Nadu 8000 8992 185 17177 Tripura 850 536 10 1396 Uttar Pradesh 12523 18002 1810 32335 West DeDi'll 6000 21134 200 21334 218586 Total States 81511 125922 11153 ------~~~----::::::-::.:-:-~,=:-=-~,_------Writ ten Answers SRAV ANA l3, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 150 Development of Identified Centres on (d) if so, the reasons for counting past Domestic Tourism service of some Junior Engineers in the Municipal Corporation recently promoted 3551. SHRI. R.P. DAS : Will the Minis- and being considered for promotion as ter of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION Assistant Engineers or Sub-Engineers, and be pleased to state : whether his Ministry will direct the Commis- (a) whether Government have decided sioner to take immediate action to ensure to favour selective development of a few compliance of rules and regulations and identified centres instead of travel circuit provide justice to Junior Engineers programme on domestic tourism; and whose seniority jpromotion is adversely affected? (b) if so, whether Government have any discussion with the State Governments in this THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE regard as the decision of the Government MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- will seriously affect the development of other PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY centres ? OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL (b) Yes, Sir. AVlATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): (a) and (b). The development of facilities for (c) Yes, Sir. domestic tourism is a continuous process. (d) Full details are awaited from the Therefore, the Central Government in colla- Municipal Corporation of Delhi who have boration with the State Governments and been requested in the matter. the private sector would continue to develop infrastructure at identified centres of tourist importance. However, in view of constraints Direct Air Service from Kaopur to on resources, instead of spreading scarce Bombay, Bhopal, Madras and resources thinly on development of a large Hyderabad number of tourist locations, the Department 3553. SHRI NARESH CHANDRA in consultation with the State Governments CHATURVEDI : Wil1 the Minister of would concentrate on development of selected TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be centres which are popular or have a rich pleased to state : potential. (a) whether Government have received a Couuting of past Service for Seniority demand from the people of Kanpur for the of Municipal Employees introduction of direct air service from 3552. PROF. M. R. HALDER : WIll Kanpur to Bombay, Bhopal, Madras and the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased Hyderabad with a view to promote trade; to state: and (b) if so, action being taken by Govern- (a) whether Goverment of India framed Delhi Municipal Corporation Service Regu- ment thereon and the time by which it is lations. 1959 under Delhi Municipal Corpo- likely to be started ? latiOD Act, 1957; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether said regulations provide MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL that in matters not specifically provided for A VIA TION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) therein, the rules and regulations applicable Yes, Sir. to Government servants in Central Govern- ment shall regulate conditions of servi~e of (b) The constraint of aircraft capacity Municipal Officers/employees; does not permit Indian Airlines to contem- plate such a service for the present. Pa~n (c) whether in deciding the seniority of gers travelling between Kanpur and Bombay Municipal employees past service in any have, however, been provided convenient Government department is not to be counted daily connections at Delhi and those travel- both under Corporation's regulations and ling on sectors Kanpur, Madras/Hyderabad Central Government rules; and connections on four days at Delhi. 151 W"tlen Aliswers AUGUst 14, 1985 Written AnSwers [Translation] Scheme to Constitute Special Area Authorities in places of Cases of Untouchability Religious Importance 3554. SHRI R. P. SUMAN Will the 3555. SHRI MOHD. A YUB KHAN Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to Will the minister of TOURISM and CIVIL state : A VIA TI0N be pleased to state whether, there is remakable increase in the number (a) the total number of cases registered of tourists during the last three years State-wise in the country during the last after the constitution of Special Area Autho- three years under the Protection of Civil rity in Buddhist place of pilgrinUlge, ~ncni Rights Act and the action taken on these and if so, whether there is any scheme to cases and if no action has been taken, the constitute such Authorities of other places of reasons therefor; great religious importance? (b) the total number of cases out of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE aforesaid cases which were referred to courts MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL after making an inquiry and the number of AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : cases in which punishment was awarded and The information is being collected and will the number of the cases which were closed; be laid on the Table of the Lok Sabha. and (c) whether keeping in view the seriou- [English] sness of the aforesaid cases Government Chic Amenities to SIOm Dwellers who propose to takes tern action and if so, the ha ve encroached into the Land belong- outlines thereof and if not, the reasons iog to rnternational Airport Authority therefor? of India, Bombay THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3556. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT : Will MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL 'MATI RAM DULARI SINHA): (a) and AVIATION be pleased to state : (b). The Central Government have placed (a) Whether it is a fact that no civic on the Table of Lok Sabha the Annual amenities have been provided to the thous- Reports on Protection of Civil Rights Act sands of slum dwellers who have encroached 1955 for the years 1981 and 1982 and 1983 ioto the land belonging to International on 23.12.1983 and 10.4.1985 respectively. Airport Authority of India in Bombay and These Reports contain information ragarding have been living there for over one _decade; the number of cases registered under peR Act, State-wise in the country, number of (b) if so, what are the reasons therefor; cases closed by police after investigation, number of cases ending in conviction and (c) whether the Government have recei- acquittal. The Report for the year 1984 ved any communication from the Government will be laid on the Table of Lok Sabha in of Maharashtra to issue 'No Objection Certi" due course. ficate' for regularisation of these 'butments and to enable the State Government to Cc) As required under Section 15A (2) provide necessary amentities in the areas; of the peR Act, 1955, the State Government/ (d) if so, whether the request of the U.T. Administrations are tak ng measures Maharashtra Government is under considera- like settiug up of specia Courts/Mobile t ion of the Central Government and when a Courts for speedy disposal of the cases, pro- decision is likely to be taken in the matter; vision of legal aid to Scheduled Caste and victims, appointing officers for initiating or exercising supervision over prosecution, ap- (e) if not, whether the Government pointment of Committees at appropriate would take expeditious steps to shift these levels for review of the working of peR people to alternative sites in consultation Act. with Government of Maharashtra ? 153 Written Anlwe,s SRAV ANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 154 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) names of places so far connected MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL with Vayudood service, Sate-wise details AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : thereof; (a) and (b). It is not the responsibility of (b) whether there is any proposal to link tbe International Airport Authori!:y of India more places of West Bengal by this service; to provide civic amenities to the encroachers who are causing serious security and opera- \c) if so, when and names of such places; tional hazards to the flights at Bombay and Airport. (d) if not, reasons therefor? (c) and (d). No request for 'No Objection Certificate' for regularisation of unauthorised THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE hutments has been received from the Govern- MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL ment of Maharashtra. However, a request AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): was received from that Government for providing civic amenities to the encroachers (a) The names of the stations at present which could not be agreed to for reasons of connected by Vayudoot service in various operational safety. States and Union Territories are as under: Andhra Pradesh (e) The Central Government and the Government of Maharastra are making joint 1. Cuddapah 2. Rajamundri 3. Hydera- efforts to shift the encroachers. bad 4. Tirupathi Assam Setting up centre for development of materials for Electronics Industry 1. Si1char 2. Gauhati 3557. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN: Will Bihar the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: 1. Jamsbedpur 2. Ranchi (a) whether Government have a proposal Gujarat to set up a Centre for the development of 1. Kandla 2. Bhavnagar 3. Surat materials for the electronics industry; (b) if so, the time by which the Centre Himachal Pradesh is expected to be set up; and 1. Kulu (c) tbe steps taken in this regard ? Karnataka 1. Bangalore 2. Mysore THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- Madhyu Pradesh LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF 1. Indore OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS Mabarastra (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) Yes, Sir. 1. Bombay 2. Aurangabad 3. Ratnagiri (b) By Marcb 1986. (service temporarily suspended due to Mon- soons) 4. Nanded 5. Pune (c) Qroup discussions have been held with top scientists from a variety of research Meghalaya institutions and with senior officials of con- 1. Shillong cerned technical Departments of the Govern- ment. A comprehensive project document Orissa is being prepared. 1. Rourkela 2. Bhubaneshwar Places connected by Vayudoot Service Punjab in West. Bengal 1. Ludhiana 35-58. SHRI SYED MASUDAL Rajasthan HOSSAIN· : Win the Minister of TOURISM 1. Jaipur 2. Jodhpur (services tempora- AND CIVIL .A VIATION be pleased to state: rily suspended) 3. Kota 4. Bikaner ISS Written Answers AUGUst 14, 1985 1~6 Uttar Pradesh corruption and suitable instructions have been 1. Dehradun 2. Pantnagar 3. Lucknow issued to all the Ministries/DepartDlCnts 4. Rae BareH 5. Kanpur including the Ministries of Commerce. Indus- try, petroleum, Finance and the - Department West Bangal of Telecommunication. Certain important 1. Ca Icutta 2, Cooch Behar measures taken by these Ministries include simplification and liberalisation of procedures Union Territories and practices, stMngiliening of vigilance 1. Delhi 2. Chandigarh. machinery, identification of corruption prone areas and corrupt elements on whom watcb is (b) (c), and (d). Cooch Behar is the kept, tightening up of security, expeditious only station in West Bengal which was finalisation of vigilance cases. identified for airlinking by Vayudoot in its first phase of expansion. There are no imme- diate plans to provide air services to other Enhancement of Pension of Freedom stations in West Bangal by Vayudoot. On Figbters in TalBll Nadu a request from the Govt. of West Bengal, Vayudoot was asked to conduct a traffic 3560. SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH : Will survey to determine the viabilty of operations the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to Jalpaiguri, Maida and West Dinajpur. to state: The survey in respect of MaIda and West Dinajpur has been conducted. The 'traffic (a) how many prominent freedom fighters survey of Jalpaiguri has not been conducted. from Tamil Nadu who under went jail term Depending on the results of the said survey t for more tban five years have applied for Vayudoot may provide airlinks to these sta- enhanced pension; tions during the current plan period subject to availability of infrastructure and aircraft (b) tbe details thereof, district-wise in capacity. Tamil Nadu; and (c) the action taken on their petitions to Measures to curb cornaption in sanction pension ? various Departments TliE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3559. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS MANDAL : Will the PRIME MINISTER (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) be pleased to state : to (c). Pension to the followina freedom (a) whetber his attention has been drawn fighters of districts shown against each in to the news item appearing in Hindustan Tamil Nadu State was enhaoeo4 to B.s. 500/. Times of 20 July, 1985 where he is reported per month under Swatantrata SaiBik Samman to have said that in India "the real problem Peusio,n Scheme beforc 1.6.1985; is the massive corruption at tbe bottom"; and (i) 8bri A. B. Nagior-Maourai (b) if so, the steps he bas taken to root Distri~t. out this evil in the public dealing Ministries like Commerce, Industry, Petroleum, Finance (ii) Shri R. Cbidambara Bharathi - and the Telephone Department? Madurai District. (iii) ~n~-Madras Diatrict. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Dr. T. MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND TRAINING, ADMINISTBATIVE (iv) Shri S. N. Somayajulu - Tirun- REFORMS AND PUBLIC GRISVANCES elv~li District. Since now tbe AND PENSION AND IN THE DEPART- Government bas decided to in- MENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K. P. SINGH "reese the pension of all freedom DEO) : (a) Yes, Sir. ~tcrs to Rs. 500/- per montb w.e.f. 1.6.85, the question of (b) A three-pronged stratcsy i.e • .-ven- CODIideRltion of cnhanecment to tive, aurvciUaoce and detectioD and deterrent a .. SOOI- in individual QSOS 40es punitive actioa, bas been adopted to fisht ~ ariac. .. 157 Written -Answers SRA VANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 158 Atforestation aDd puritication of Accommodation for Pilgrims by Geqa Govel'lllDeDt of Orissa 3561. SHRI CHINTA MOHAN: Will 3563. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL whether the concept of the Land Army would A VIA TION be pleased to state : be considered in order to achieve full affores- (a) whetber it is a fact that Government tation targets, irrigation facilities and cleaning of Orissa have framed a plan to construct a of the Ganga and other rivers in order to hotel to provide better accommodation to bring around a new era of hope, stability and pHgrirns coming to Puri for 'Darshan' of prosperity amongst negleted sections of society Lord Jagannath Temple; who constitute a majority in the country ? (b) whether the State Government have approached the Central Government for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE regard~ MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND financial assistance in this and FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN): Even tbough (c) if so, the details thereof and the reac- extensive public participation is being sought tion of Union Government in this regard? in tbe programmes of afforestation, pollution control and environmental conservation, there THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE is no proposal to constitute a Land Army at MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL present for these purposes. AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) to (c). The Department of Tourism has not Leakage from the roof of Madras received any proposal from the Government Airport of Orissa for financial assistance to construct a hotel at Puri to provide better accommoda- 3562. SHRI P. R. KUMARA tion to pilgrims coming for 'Darshan' of Lord MANGALAM : WiI1 the Minister of Jagannath Temple. However, Utkal Ashok TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be Corporation Limited, which has been pleased to state : promoted joinly by the India Tourism Development Corporation Ltd. and the Orissa (a) whether about a month ago the new Tourism Development Corporation Ltd. has Madras Airport (Domestic Terminal) leaked undertaken the construction of a 44·room heavily from tbe roof within a few weeks of 3-Star hotel at Puri, at an estimated cost of its opening; and Rs. 190 Jakhs. Besides, the Bhartiya Yatri Avas Vikas Samiti is constructing a Yatrika at Puri, at an estimated cost of Rs, 13.S0 (b) if so, steps taken by tbe Civil Avia- lakhs, 90 per cent of which will be met by the tion Dtpartment or the International Airport Central Government;. Autbority 0( India against its officers and tbe contractors to ensure that such bad work- manship is not repeated ? Theft of llniforms 3564. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SETHI: MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY: A VIA T-ION (SURI ASHOK GEH LOT) : (a) SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH Some minor leakage was noticed in the MALIK: Domestic Terminal Building at Madras SMRI JAGANNATH Airport during the first rain. The leakage was PATTNAIK: through the expansion joint where water SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: proofing treatment work was in progress and Will the Minister of TOURISM AND had not been completed by tbeD. CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : (b) Since the leakage bad occurred prior (a) wbether Government's attention bas to ~tor proofilll work being completed, no been drawn to the 'Hindustan Times' dated actIOn ·was considered Deeessary either against 7 July, 19&5 that Worldwide alert for possible an)' o~r of lAAJ or the contractor. theft of vnifQrm$ of crew has been sent by Writt~n Answers AUGUST 14. 1985 Written Answers 166 the management of Air India following reports life tourism, improvement of facilities for of thefts of uniforms of crew members of the Himalayan Trekking and Water Sports, etc. Dutch Airline KLM from Amsterdam; and (Translation} (b) if so, the steps taken by Government Setting up of Tourist villages in of India in this regard ? Rajasthan THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3566. SHRI MOHAMMAD AYUB MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL KHAN : Will the Minister of TOURISM AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) AND CIVIL A VIATION be pleased to state: Yes, Sir. (a) whether Rajasthan Government had (b) All online stations of Air India were submitted a proposal for setting up of tourist alerted and lATA. (International Air Trans- villages at four places in the States during port Association) informed with a request to 1983; if so, the decision taken by the Depart- . alert other carriers. A circular was also issued ment in this regard; and by Air India to all its crew members warning them to be doubly careful in ensuring that (b) whether Government propose to set their uniforms/identity cards are not lost. up such tourist villages in Jodhpur, Barmer, Jhunjbunu, Sikar etc. ? Declining trend of Tourists in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE variolls Sta tes MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : 3565. SHRI AMAR ROY PRADHAN : (a) and (b). Rajasthan Government had Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL forwarded some proposals for assistance in AVIATION be pleased to state : setting up tourist villages. The Department had (a) whether it is a fact that some State in the meantime dropped the scheme of Governments have desired to have a discus- constructing tourist villages. sion about the declining trend of tourists in Accordingly no such schemes are being their States during the last 3 or 4 years; and considered, in Rajasthan, at present. (b) if so, the details of the tourists year- wise and Statewise and steps Government propose to take in this regard during the {English) Seventh Plan period ? Corrupt practices in Municipal Corporation of Delhi THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF TOUR[SM AND CIVIL 3567. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) PATIL : Will the Minister of HOME Discussions with State Governments are being AFFAIRS be pleased to state: held regularly at various levels on all matters (a) whether large scale corrupt practices concerning tourism. There has been specific nave been detected by the Vigilance Depart- requst from only the Goverenment of Jammu ment of the Muncipal Corporation of Delhi and Kashmir for a discussion on the subject. in regard to givjng of contracts by engineers; (b) There is no regular system of collec- (b) whether the cases have been verified tion of tourist statistics in maoy of the States at present. Therefore the Governmet is launch- for fixing responsibility; and ing a scheme for collection/compilation of (c) if so, the number of persons prosed- 'Statistics on Domestic Tourism'. Steps pro- cuted'1 posed to be taken during the Seventh Plan period for the promotion of tourism in tbe THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE country include improvement of infrastruc- MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- tural facilities, preservation of National PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY heritage areas, flood-lighting of monuments, OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF improvement in the quaHty of surface trans- MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Durio, May, port, development of beach resorts and wild- 1985, in special chcckings by the Visilaoce . 161 Written Answers SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Written _,.,." 162 Department, a number of irregularities in (b) what are the amounts similarly pro- issue of tenders and award of works were posed to be spent on the hill areas of other detected. States; and (b) Yes, Sir. (c) whether the Government of Andbra Pradesh made a request in this regard; if so, (c) Municipal Corporation of Delhi have with what result? so far initiated departmental action for major penalty against three officials who were THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE prima facie guilty of committing irregularities. MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) and (b). The Seventh Plan allocation of Special Central Assistance Plaees linked by Indian Airlines for Hill Areas Development Programme has yet to be fixed. 3568. SHRIMATT JAYANTI PATNAIT< : Wil1 the Minister of TOURISM (c) Yes, Sir. A request from the Govern- AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: ment of Andhra Pradesh has been received that the Eastern Ghats region also be covered (a) ditT~rent places in the country linked under the Hill Areas Development Pro- bv Indian Airlines under the "Discover India" gramme. The State Government bas been scheme; informed that the question of inclusion of new areas under the Hill Areas Development (b) the date since when this scheme has Programme would be considered by the Plan- been under operation; ning Commission after the concerned Working Groups submits its report. (c) the response of foreign tourists and Indian residents abroad to this scheme so far; and Decline in Foreign visitors to Calcutta (d) the details thereof? 3570. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE - the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) The "Discover India" scheme is available in (a) whether there bas been any sharp the domestic network of Indian Airlines. fall in the number of foreign visitors to provided no city is touched more than once Ca 1cutta during the past few years; except for the purpose of transfers/connec- tions. (b) if so, the details thereof; (b) The scheme has been under operation (c) since when decline in foreign tourists since 1st September, 1974 and has been revised visiting Calcutta has started; from time to time. (d) the reasons for such fall in tourist (c) and (d). The scheme has been popular. traffic in Calcutta; and Of late. due to general decline in tourist traffic sales have suffered. (e) the steps taken/proposed to attract foreign tourists to Calcutta ? Funds for Hill Areas Development THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL in Andhra Pradesh AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): 3569. SHRI S.M. BHATTAM : Will the (a) and (b). Statistics of foreign tourist Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state: arrivals to different cities are not avaialble separately. However, the number of tourists (a) whether it is a fact that the Govern- who disembarked at Calcutta airport (exclud- me~t intend to 3peftd about rupees 1000 crores ing the VISitOrs from Bangladesh and dUring the Seventh Plan period on hill areas Pakistan) during the last 3 years are as giv.en Development; below:- 163 ""._~"'n8Wer$ AUGUST 14. 198~ 164 T_ml Arrivals Schemes Pr~ outlay .. ..r~~ ~ 1982 33,827 (in Rs. croiet) 1983 36,688 , J. Agriculture and AIIied 59.96 Services 1984 37,021 2.. CQOpCtati.~,. , 19.39 (c) and (d). Do not arise. 3. Water " :", .. J " t' 14.62 . I ' 4. Eleetricity '(Power ~ .. 1,4.09 (e) Development of to~rism infrastr.uc- ]oprPent) . ture through' the cQmbined resources of' 'tbe. 5. Industries &, Mining 27.24 Centre. State ,and the private' septor , in • 'r various t.:lurist spots is a continuous protess. 6. Transt~i*ft &. rCbn\~ . ,1 t ~62 rounication. Government will consider suitable schemes " ,'; ~ ! I.... for assistance when received from the State 7. Social & Community " 37.02 .... " Government. Services. Total J&3 .. 94 \ PIau on tbe concept pf Gram Swaraj submitted by Maharashtr.a (c) !t was received in the Planning Government Commission in February, 1984. 3571. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE (d) Various aspects of the Pl~n ar.e under, PATIL: Will the Minister of PLANNING examination by the Planning Commission. be pleased to state: (e) rb~ ,pattern of financing, given in the (a) whether the Government of Maha- proposed Wardha District plan shows the rashtra have submiUe4, .,to the Central share of Central Government out of the total Gov~rnment a plan for Wardha district on outlay of Rs. 183.94 crores as Rs. 13.21 tbe principle of seU~ reliance and people's crores representing the share of Central participation on the conCept of Gram Swaraj Government for the Centrally sponsored of Mahatma Ga;ndhi; Sc.hemes pf IRDP and NREP. No special funds ha,ve been made ava i\able so far to the State Government for implementing the (b) if so, the details of the projects en- Wardha Plan. visaged in this plan and the financial Qutlay; Reservation on the basis of (c) when was' this' received' by the Economic Criteria Centra] Go~ernment; 3572. SHRIMATI PATEL RAMABEN RAMnBHAI MAV ANI: WiB the Minister (d) the reasons for delay its clearance; in of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Md ~ (a) whether Government have received (e) how much a~sistance from the Centre proposals with regard to application of h~s been ~~ught and how much given? eoonomic criteria to identify backward classes for the purpo~e of reservations in the Government jobs and professional/educa- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tiona) institutions; MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI K. R. NA1tAVANAN) : (a) and (b). The Govern- (b) the number of State opting for ment of Mahamshtra have ~ubmitted to the economic criteria and political parties Planning Commission 1t' PI.an for Wardha who have suggested econom1c criteria com .. District. . bined with castes i.e. economic ceUilll; (c) tlae number 0( State and UaioD The draft pJan jncJudes ·schemes under Territories which have not applied CG8I'i ...- the follOwing sectors. ,(O~tlay prcposed for tional directh'e with resard to reSCA'a'ion for each sector is indicat~d against it). t;>ackward classes; 165 SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) 166 (d) how many States have applied mixed • SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA ~ritecia i.e. caste, economic and occupational; RAO: Army people are there .. It is Cebtral and Government's Army personnel. (e) which are the States involved in MR. SPEAKER: I have already taken litigation at High Court and Supreme Court note of it. I will find out. level in this regard ? (Interruptions) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I wish MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- to bring to your notice "a fact that in this MATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) Repre- . very House the Labour':Minister bas given an sentations have been received. However, we assurance that the Supreme Court judgment do not propose to deviate from the policy about bonded labour will be implemented. of reservation of Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes followed so far. MR. SPEA'KER = How can you do it like this '1 (b) Does not arise.· (c) Does not arise. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE= Ulday there is a demonstration of bonded labour." (d) Does not arise. MR. SPEAKER: You can bring it (e) None. under some other subject. You can'" discuss it later on. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: It is 12.00 brs. an All -India problem. Supreme Court judg- ment is All-india judgment. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARlA (Bankura) : Sir, I have submitted a' privilege dotice against MR. SPEAKER: I am not barring you the Home Minister. from discussing it. MR. SPEAKER = I have already done PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: my job. I have already forwarded it. When • Labour Minister should make a st·atement. the time cornes~ I will come to you and we When tbe bonded labourers have come- to wiU see what we can do. . the door of Parliament and are asking for jusfice, let him make a statement on the I t1nte,ruptions) issue. Why don't you direct him? SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY MR. SPEAKER: I, am not directing. I am not also barring him. - .' .' (Nalgonda) : Sir, 30 persons have been killed and I have given a notice for that. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE :Wheo (lnlerruptions) they come to Parliament, for an all-Ir;tdia problem, for the implementation of the Supreme Court judgment, he must_.:~e a MR. SPEAKER: That is question for a statement. the State 'Government. MR. SPEAKER: It is all right: "I-:(i4)n't (.,en.,'ions) mind if be makes a stateme~. . " . PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: They (Rajapur): I wish to bring to your notice. are approaching the Prime Minis tet 'ibday . (ft,terruptions) (Interruptions ) SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA (Basirhat): .$HR.I V. SOBHANAOREESWARA Sir, you have been good enough to reject our RAO (Vijayawada) : Sir, there is no security. Adjournment Motion ... MR. SPEAKER : It is a State Govern· MR. SPEAKER: It is not 'good enough' ment subject. I cannot do anything. but there is no basis for that. 161 AUGUST 14. 198~ J68 SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: All right, [Eng/ish] Sir. I am only requesting you. The Press is reporting widely that some accord has been SHRI RAJESH PILOT: I have given a signed on the Assam question. notice. The benefits of tbe Government policy are not reaching the common man. I MR. SPEAKER: Press reports are there. have given a notice. But until and unless facts are there, I cannot do anything. [Trans/at ion] MR. SPEAKER: We shall look into it. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: The House should be taken into confidence. The Home Minister should inform the House what are (English] the terms of the Agreement. SHRI RAJESH PILOT: The Government should consider it. MR. SPEAKER: If the time comes he will inform. How can he say before that? SHRI C.P. THAKUR (Patna) : Regarding Have you heared about this incident, in the the Flood Situation in Bihar, we have given House of Comtnons what happened once? a notice. Thousands of people are affected. A man brought an Adjournment Motion. He said that somebody is going to be hanged MR. SPEAKER: There is no time now. day after tomorrow 0 •• I had one discussion and there is n" time now. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: In any case, Sir, I am not pressing the adjournment SHRI T. BASHEER (Chirayinkil) : There motion but you must find some way by were reports.oo which the House can be informed about the MR. SPEAKER: What is it? There is terms of the Agreemen t. no question of reports. What do you want ? (Interruptions) SHRI T. BASHEER : Some members of the Indian Delegation who participated in (E1l8lish] the Moscow Festival did not carry national flag. MR. SPEAKER: One minute o. MR. SPEAKER : Have you given some- (lnterraptions) tbing in writing? SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Is the SHRI T. BASHEER: You please bear Government going back? with me a little ••• MR. SPEAKER: I don't know. It is MR. SPEAKER: Have you given to me just a report. something in writing? SHRI T. BASHEER : Yes. [Translationl SHRl MOHAMMAD MAHFOOJ ALI MR. SPEAKER: What have you given ? KHAN (Etab) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, A very First tell me under what rule and for what important matter bas come to light. A full you are talking about. Have you given length film has been produced about Calling Attention or Adjournment Motion or Privilege or anything ? Mahatma Gandhi .. 0 MR. SPEAKER : We are having SHRI T. BASHEER : I am giving today discussion on tbis subject on Monday and itself. you may also participate ',n that discussion SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSI : on that day. (Howrah) : Sir, ] gave a notice. There is a total deadlock in the Calcutta university. SHRJ MOHAMMAD MAHFOOJ ALI KHAN: Thank you, Sir. MR. SPEAKER: What is it : 169 SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Papers Laid 170 SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSI : MR. SPEAKER: What? under what rule? In Calcutta university there is a total dead- Now, you will be caught if you have not lock. given anything. I am going to haul you up; MR. SPEAKER: What sort of 'dead- Dr. KRUPASINDHU BHO!: It is a lock' ? (Interruption) I will deal with it. crucial nlatter. If it is wrong, then I will own it. I have given notice already. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI: This is in the Concurrent List. MR. SPEAKER: I will find out. Yes, Mrs. Geeta Mukherjee. MR. SPEAKER: I will find out. I will nnd \)ut if there is anything. (Interruption) SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : MR. SPEAKER : I wi]l see to it. If you There is a deadlock ... have given anything, I will look into it. You come to me. MR. SPEAKER: I will find out if there is anything. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He has given no-confidance motion, Sir; PROF. K. K. TEWARY (Busxr): Sir, my point is this .•• DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: I have a point of order, Sir. (/nt errupt ion) MR. SPEAKER : Then what is it ? MR. SPEAKER: Not allowed. All of DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: The you may please sit down. Finance Department has already spent Rs. 1500 crores for the bank employees in this SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA : Why year. are you allowing him ? MR. SPEAKER: No, no Nothing. I MR. SPEAKER : Who has allowed him can't do it like that. You are unnecessarily compounding every- thing. It is my job to do it. Not allowed. I DR. KRUPANSINDHU BHOI: They have to consider everythig. After ascertain- have gone on strike. So, will they consider ••• ing the facts, I have to decide on facts. I cannot go off-hand. (Interrupt ion) SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSI: SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE I have given the notice five times. (Panskura) : Sir, you have disallowed my adjournment motion on Assam. Tomorrow MR. SPEAKER: I will just look into is 15th August. We are hearing that the it. Not allowed. agreement ... (Interruption) (Interrupt ion) PROF. K. K. TEWARY: Then you have taken notice of it. MR. SPEAKER: That is what I have already said, Sir. How many times have I to [English] say? PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : Sir my submission is that the Finance Ministry Delhi Police (Amendment and Recruitment) should come out with a statement...... (First Amendment Rules 1985) MR. SPEAKER: Have you given any- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE thing in writing to me ? MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- MATI RAM DULARI SINHA): Sir, on DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI (Saolbal behalf of Shri Arif Mohammad Khan, I beg pur): Yes, I have given, Sir. to lay on the Table a copy of the Delhi '.--1' 171 Papers Laid AUGUST 14, 1985 Papers Laid 172 Police (Appointment and Recruitment) (First PAPER.S LAID ON THE TABLE-Contd. Amendment) Rules, 1985 (Hindi and English versions) Published in Notification No. F. (Eng 'ish] IO/46/83-Home (P) in Delhi Gazette dated the 12th June, 1985 under sub-section (2) of Central Administrative Tribunal (Pro... section 148 of the Delhi Police Act, 1978. redure) Rules, 1985 ... All lotII. Services (Provident Fund) Third [Placed in Library. See No L.T. 1316/85] Amendment Rules 1985. Notification under Central Excise THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Rules, 1944 MINISTRY OF ,PERSONNEL AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE TRAINING, ADMINISTRATIVE RE- MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY FORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD) : AND PENSION AND IN THE DEPART- I beg to lay an the Table a copy of Notifica- MENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO): I beg to Jay on the table: tion No. G.S.R. 633 (E) (Hindi and English versions) published in Gazette of India dated (1) A copy of the Central Administra- the 5th August, 1985 together with an ex- tive Tribunal (Procedure) Rules, planatory memorandum making certain 1985 (Hindi and English versions) amendment to Notificat!on No. 23-t/82-CE published in Notification No. dated tbe 1st November, 1982 so as to grant G.S.R. 713 in Gazette of India exemption to sludge obtained in an effluent dated the 3rd August, 1985 under treatment plant belonging to an industrial sub-section (l) of section 37 of the unit, issued under the Central Excise Rules, ~dministrative Tribunals Act, 1985. 1944. [Placed in Library. See No. L.T. 1318/85] [Placed in Library. See No. L.T. 1317/85] (2) A copy of the All India Services (Provident Fund) Third Amendment MR. SPEAKER: I don't go on con- Rules, 1985 (Hindi and English jecture's, Mrs. Geeta. Nothing not allowed. version~) published in Notification Now, Papers to be laid. No. G.S.R. 710 in Gazette of India (Interrupt ions) dated the 3rd August, 1985 undes sub-section (2) of section 3 of the MR. SPEAKER : What happens? 1 All India Services Act, 1951. have already started the other busin~; [Placed in Library. See No. L.T. 1319/85] Sir. ( lntelruptions) Central Reserve Police Force (Fourth SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY Ameoclment) Rules, 1985 (Katwa): You have not said anything about our privilege motion against the Home THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Minister when he misled the House ...... MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRl- MATI RAM DULARI SINHA): I beg to (Interruptions) lay on the Table a copy of' the "-Central MR. SPEAKER: NOt I have already Reserve Police Force (Fourth Amendmeut) said it. Rules, 1S 8S (Hindi aDd English versions) published in Notification No. G ~S.R: ~90 in (Interruptions) Gazette of India dated the 27th July, 198' MR. SPEAKER : Wby do you want it issued under section 18 of the Central a second time now? Not allowed. I have Reserve Police Force Act, 1949. already replied to you. I have said that I am [Placed in Library. See No. L.T. 1320/85] gathering the facts. Why should you not listen first? (Interrupt ions) Notification under Essential Servtees .Maintenance Act 1961 ~. MR. SPEAKER: Now, Papers to be )aid. THE MINISTBR OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 17J Com. on P.M.B. and Ros. SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) P.A.C. 174 LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF ESTIMATES COMMITTEE OCEAN DEVEWPMENT, ATOMIC ENE~y, 12•• In. MESSAGE FROM RAN A SABHA PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE (English) 12.09 hrs. SECRETARY-GENERAL: Sir, I have to report the following message recei- {English] ved from the Secretary-General of Rajya Sabha : First. Second, Sixth and Seventh Reports "I n accordance with the provisions of sub-rule (6) of rule 186 of the Rules SHRI E. A YYAPU REDDY (Kurnool) : of Procedure and Conduct of Business Sir, I beg to present the following Reports in the Rajya Sabha, 1 directed to am (Hmdi and English Versions) of the Public return herewith the Appropriation Accounts Committ~e: (No.5) Bill, 1985, which was passed by the Lok Sabha at its sitting held on the 7th August, 1985, and trans- ( 1) First Report on Action- Taken on mitted to the Rajya Sabha for its 2 t 5th Report of the Committee recommendations and to state. that (Seventh Lok Sabha) regarding 1m .. this House has no recommendations port of trainer aircraft. to make to the Lok Sabha in regard to the said Bill." (2) Second Report on Action Taken on 55th Report of the Committee (Seventh Lok Sabha) regarding Metro railway, Calcutta. COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS' BILLS AND (3) Sixth Report on Action Taken on RESOLUTIONS 228th Report of the Committee (Seventh Lok Sabha) regarding [English}" Conversion of Viramgarn-Okha· Porbandar Section. Fourth Report (4) Seventh Report on Action Taken SHRI M. THAMBI DURAl (Dharma- on 200th Report of the Committee puri) : I beg to present the Fourth Report (Seve~th Lok Sabha) regarding (Hindi and English version) of the Com- Customs Receipts - Duty on pas- mittee on Private Members' Bills .and sengers Baggage. ~esolutj9"$, .... -- 175 . Calling Attention AUGUST 14, 1985 Calling Allenton 176 COMMITTEE ON SUBORDINATE sensitive areas and exercise greater vigilance LEGISLATION for protection of forests. Guidelines bave been issued for preparation of forest manage- . [Engligh] ment plans with emphasis on conservation First Report and maintenance of ecological stability.' Social forestry programmes have been scaled SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK up. A major recent initiative is the setting (Sonepat) : Sir, I beg to present the First up of the National Wastelands Development Report (Hindi and English versions) of the Board with the objective of raising 5 million Committee on Subordinate Legislation. hectares of plantations every year for fuel wood and fodder. ] 3 sites of representative biogeographic areas have been identified for designation as CALLING ATTENTION TO A biosphere for conservation of biological MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC diversity. Eco-development programmes have IMPORTANCE been taken up to demonstrate technologies for improvement of degraded ecosystems with I Trans lat io n] active public participation, especially of Reported destruction of forests and students, women and rural youth. Applied pollution of air, water and research for preservation of degraded eco- atmosphere systems is being promoted in the universities and res~arch institutes. The Himalayan SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI (Begu- Institute for Environment and Development sarai) : I call the attention of the Minister and some Centres of Advance Studies in of Environment and Forest to the following selected priority areas are being set up. matter of urgent public importance and Environmental Education and Training have request that he may make a statement been assigned a special role. A procedure thereon: has been evo1ved for incorporating environ- mental safeguards into major development "Reported destruction of forests and projects. pollution of air, water and atmosphere and steps taken by Government there- OUf rivers on the downstream of major on to protect and maintain the eco- settlements are polluted by municipal and logical balance in the country." industrial wastes in varying degrees. Air quality deterioration has taken place in [English] pockets of some urban and industrial centres. The Central Pollution Control Board coordi- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE nates the activities of the State Boards (18 so MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND far set up) which are responsible for FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN): Government controlling pollution in their respective States. are fully cognisant of the need to maintain Monitoring of water and air quality is being ecological balance and control pollution. done through a net-work of stations. The Recognising the growing importance of Central Board has completed a use based environmental issues, a nodal Department zoning and classification of all the 14 major of Environment was set up at the Centre in inter-State rivers. Basinwise inventories of November, 1980. More recently, the Ministry polluting industries have been made for the of Environment and Forests was formed. rivers Yamuna and Ganga. Minimum Maoy State Governments have also created National Standards specifying effluent or designated Departments for Environment. standards have been prescribed for some major groups of industries. The Central and Long-term conser\tation measures have State Boards have been persuading industries been initiated on a wide front. The enact- to adopt pollution control measures and legal ment of the Forest (Conservation) Act, in action is also being taken against po1luting 1980 has considerably reduced the diversion units wherever necessary. For selected of forests to non-forest uses. State/Union polluting industries, procedures have been Territory Governments have been advised laid down for site clearance from environ- to impose a moratorium on tree felling in mental angle before converting letters of 177 Calling Attention SRAVANA 23,1907 (SAKA) Calling Attention 178 intent into industrial licences. Steps are also 11. A programme would be drawn being' taken to control industrial emissions up for municipal wastes treat- and vehicular exhausts for improving air ment and more scientific solid quality. wastes management in important urban settlements. Hon'ble Members are already aware of the recently launched Ganga Action Plan 12. The environmental information aimed at prevention of pollution in the system will be strengthened to Ganga. provide data base for better environmental management and environmental protection. I have outlined some of the steps taken by Government for maintaining ecological 13. The involvement and the initia- balance and controlling pollution. The tives of State Governments are following are some of the further initiatives crucial to the cause of ecological we have in mind to protect the forests and conservation and prevention of environment :- pollution. The States will be encouraged to build up their 1. Forest legislation will be amended capabilities in this regard. to make it more effective. 14. Enforcement of anti-pollution 2. the forest protection forces will laws will be strengthened and be strengthened and modernised. necessary legislative changes will be initiated to make the laws 3. Forest areas requiring to be more effective. legally notified for effective management and protection will 15. In order to give a frame work be so notified. for sustainable development, steps 4. Steps will be taken to enforce will be taken to draw up a control on movement of forest national conservation strategy. produce. I would like to assure the Hon~ble 5. Wood consumption will be mini- Members that the Government funy share mized and wherever possible their concern and will take all possible fiscal incentives provided to measures to protect and improve our . promote substitution of wood. environtnent. 6. The mechanism for monitoring forest protection will be moder- [Translation] nized and strengthened. SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI 7. In the ultimate analysis, the (Begusarai) : Mr. Speaker, Sir deep concern survival of forests is dependent has been expressed in the House regarding upon conservation and afforesa- the situation created due to pollution of the tion being made a people's atmosphere. There are no two opinions movement. This will be done. about it that pollution has posed immense danger to the humanity as the atmosphere 8. A wide netwook of water quality has become poisonous. It is why the people monitoring stations would be express their anxiety about the pollution of established to cuver all the major the atmosphere. river systems. 9. The number of air quality In his broadcast to the nation on 5th monitoring stations would be January, 1985, the Hon. Prime Minister substantially increased. had also said that steps would be taken to ensure availability of c1eaner air and water 10. All the existing large and medium in all parts of the country and that is why industries would be persuaded or attention has been paid towards the impor- compene~ to take pollution tant subject of cleaning Ganga water as also c\)ntrol measures. about setting up a Ganga Authority. 179 Calling Attent iOIl AUGUST 14, 1985 Calling At tent ion 180 The rivers are life lines of any country has posed danger for human life' also. and river Ganga is not only symbol of our There is not only the problem of drought culture and civilisation, but it is also a life and floods, bu t there is a :seriQus problem line of our country. Therefore, Shrimati of land erosion and soil erosion. This Indira Gandhi had laid stress on this matter problem is aquiring serious proportions. long back and during a conference at Stock- Therefore, there is an imbalance today holm in 1973, Shrimati Indira Gandhi had between nature and human beings. It is, said that the current environmental CrISIS therefore, very necessary for you to pay before the world is likely to change the future your attention to strike a balance between of this planet. It appears that this is proving them. to be time today. The scheme which you have referred are command able, you have also said in your 12.17 hrs. statement that the Central Government have asked the State Governments and the [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair] Union Territories to be more vigilant in this The Hon. Minister is awar\! that emphasis regard. has been laid on the importance of conserva- tion of forests in the constitution since You have mentioned many such other 1950-51 and when Five Year Plans were things in your statement, but I would I ike to formuated, at that time also emphasis was tell you that until the law is implemented laid on man made forestl;j and in the national strictly, forests will continue to be denuded. plan also, development of forestry was One is natural calamity and other is man given an important place. Despite these made calamity. A situation is created by efforts, there is not even 25 per cent forest human beings, \\ hich poses danger to our area to maintain ecological balance. lives you have to see to it. The destinction being caused by human beings is taking all You would agree with me that in West of us towards destinction of humanity. Germany, 28.10 per cent of total area is forest area, in Japan 61.8 per cent of total area is You arc already c ware that Prevention forest area. For Finland, USA and USSR and Control of Air and Water PolJution Act this percentage is 70, 32.8, and 33 9 was passed and amendtd in 1974 and 1981. respectively. Even a small country like A Bill to check pollution was brought Thailand has 77.2 per cent of total land as forward in Parliament in }980. I remember forest area. In Australia, it is 40 per cent, that Bhishma Bahu was the Minister at but what is the percentage for our country? that time and while speaking on the Bill It is only 22.8 per cent, whereas according he told that in 1974, the Act regarding to the national Forest Policy, there should Water Pollution was not adopted by seven have been forest in 37 per cent of total States. You had passed the Jaw and the area. orders were issued under the law, but at that tiJne it was brought to notice that During the past 30 years, 40 per cent of although conservation of Forests Act, 1980 forests in the areas near the banks of Ganga was being passed and Conservation of Wild river has been denuded and all of us are Life Act had already been passed in 1972, aware of this fact. In addition, you may yet forests were being denuded indiscrimi- go through the report of a British Scientist, nately. You have to see to it as to what Norman Mayer, He has referred to it action could be taken to present it. exhaustively. India has to suffer a Joss of 100 crore of dollar per annum due to If you go through the draft of your drought and floods. A large area of land National Forests Policy, you will find that is affected by soil erosion. I would, a statement has been given in it in which therefore like to draw your attention to- details about afforestation in various States wards this problem as several lakh acres of are given. ]f one goes through this land has become unsuitable for agriculture. statement, area of denudation of forests in various States in 1980-81 and 198) -82 in Due to burning of coal and mineral oils, given state-wise. In respect of Bihar, area there has been huge increase in the level of of denuded forests in showe as 'nil' i.e I carbon d~-o~id~ i~ the atmosphere. This forests were not d~p~Q~Q at all there, 181 Calling Attention SRA VANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Calling Attention 182 Sir you might recall that a massive did not take any action despite the law agitation was launched in Singhbhum, Bihar. passed by the _government itself. But when Ten thousand hectares out of a total 15,000 people filed a case, the case was hushed up hectares of forest land was denuded there. and no action was taken, because whether Such a massive agitation was launched it is a court or the executive, the factory there, even then it has been mentioned there o\\ners pay illegal gratification from top to that forest land was not denuded there at bottom and supress the action being against all. them. Sir, you are already aware of the scenic Similarly you can see how much pollu- bt!auty of Chhota Nagpur. If you ask for tion is taking place in Dhanbad and coal the corect data of all such areas, you would mines. Therefore, it is the need of the hour find that a major part of forest area has been that the law is defined properly so as to denuded. You have said that steps would check the pollution of atmosphere effectively. be taken and the situation would be improved. You might have read in the Newspapers These things are for the future, but whatever that after coming into force of "Fresh Air has been lost cannot be regained. You Laws" in London, the people are getting should take steps to check the loss of what- more Sunlight during winters than whatever ever we have at present. it was available in 1956. The people are making efforts to make the life of the people You have formulated another rule under more comfortable and peaceful. Our govern- Poisonous Pesticides Act, which says that ment is, of course, very much concerned use and production of deadly chemicals about it and are making efforts iIi this would be banned. It has not come down, regard. rather it has been increasing. The farnlers are poor. When thousands of acres of crops You know that rivers, lakes, springs, is affected bj pests and insects, the farmers ponds, large oceans, green forests, vegetables, are conlpelled to use pesticides. But there is fre5!h air, fertile land and blue sky are all a no reference to all these things in your gifts from the Nature to the humanity and statement. A.ll these things are very minor we can say that these things are a gift of but they must be given due importance. You God to the man. But even then we are not have made no mention as to how IDuch ahle to protect them. What steps would you pollution is taking place due to all these take about the settlements of the poor where things and what measures should be taken there is filth and pollution, open dra ins and to check it. mosquito~? What steps would you take to deal with the diseases which are spread There is also an Act regarding keeping due to such unhealthy atmosphere. What is of the banks of rivers clean. but if you see the number of such places where clean the river banks, you would see as to how drinking water is not available. What would clean the river banks are. Do you punish you do to deal with increasing diseases? those persons who violate the rule? You What would you do to make arrangement, should provide more teeth to this Act and of latrines in the villages and the human implement it strictly. If a farmer makes this settlements where the poor live? You have allegation that this crop has been destroyed therefore, to see to it and consider the due to air pollution caused by the nearby steps to check the pollution there. Govern- factory, even then the functioning of the ment should, first, check the unhealthy factory is not stopped, nor does he get condition and the pollution in the cities. A compensation in time. He does not also get very large number of vehicles are on the justice when he goes' to the court. I would roads today. I remember that earlier it was like to make a mention of my area. There prohibited to blow horn in front of a hospital is an Alcohol factory in Mokama. There is but today, no body observes this rule. one Mcdowell factory on !he banks of the ganga river and this factory is creating so Therefore, the relevant Act should be much pollution that people Say that they do implemented effectively. The people in this not take bath in water, but they take batb area are facing soil erosion and it extends to in wine. What is the law for them? The 10 Square kilometres along the banks of people filed a case against them. The central Ganga where the Barauni oil-refinery and 80vernment as also tbe state government fertilizer plant are located. The soil erosion 183 Calling Attention AUGUst 14, 1985 CalJing Attention 184 is proving disasterous to the place where all I have already replied to tbe questions plants are located. I, therefore, request that extensively in the statement and I feel that- the law should be made more stringent and ha ve not left any point. So far as tbe it sbould be watched to what extent the importance of forests and forests wealth is State Government is implementing it. The concerned, Government is active on that Law should be practical in its approach. front and the steps have been taken keeping Besides an awareness and an awakening has in view the above fact. We admit that the to be brought in the society regarding forests. survival of mankind and the human race de- pends a lot on forests .... (Interruptions) As you have said earlier that the new ed ucation system is to be introduced very You have spoken for about twenty soon and, therefore, the curriculum should minutes and raised many point, and perhaps be so framed as to make the children aware you expect me to reply to all of them in one of these things from the very childhood. or two sentences. At the begining you said Besides this through the Television, Films, that our forest wealth has been reduced to Documentaries and other public media, the 22.8 per cent as compared to other coun- people should be told how to check the tries. I congratulate you for studying a lot pollution in Ganga and also other types of on this subject. You seem to take keen pollutions particularly in rural areas. interest in this matter. It is an admitted fact that the forests in our country have The Hon. Prime Minister has done a denuded very much and one of the reasons lot in this regard and is intending to do so has been our apathy to it by following in future also. But this will not help much age-old policies. The first policy was for- unless awakening in society is brought about. mulated during the British period in 1892 Therefore, with social balance, the political but the forests were not given due importance equilibrium will also have to be maintained, keeping in view the revenue earnings from and only then the country could be saved them. After independence and especially from catastrophe. since 1952 the forest policy saw a dramatic In the end I wsll like to quote what change. Now we are thinking to bring for- Gautam Buddha said centuries ago with ward some changes in the existing policy and regard to forests : I expect that we will shortly make an announcement to that effect. "The forest is the symbol of kindness and benevolence and it does not 12.37 brs. demand any thing for its survival. It meets the needs for human sustenance [SHRI ZAINUL BASHER in the Chair] generously and provides protection to the animals. It even protects the SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: The woodcuttert., who destroys forests pollution in Ganga in our area is being wealth". caused by factories. It is, therefore, imperative on the part SHRI VIR SEN: We are laying special of all of us to protect tb e forests. emphasis on water pollution and air pollu- tion but we have not done much with regard SHRI VIR SEN: Mr. Deputy Speaker, to noise pollution. So far as water pollution Sir, the Rules provide that a suoject wt1lch is concerned we have prepared a scheme is of urgent public importance and the dis- worth Rs. 250 crores to check pollution in allowance of which may cause ineparabJe Ganga. The pollution in most of the rivers damage to the interests of the country, I is due to cities which amount to 90 per cent feel, should be considerej for admission as pollution and the remaining 10 per cent is a caning Attention Notice. The Calling caused by industrial pollution. 7 per cent of Attention notice that has been placed before the industrial pollution is caused by big the House today questions the entire gamut industries lik.e d,stilleries etc. We are paying of Ministry of Environment and Ministry of full attention to all of them. We are using Forests. I fe,el that it is, therefore, worth persuasion in this respect and we have also considering whether a Calling Attention prosecuted many persons. 1 can give the motion can raise a question which has such a number of prosecutions that have been filed wide scope. and the success we have acbieved in those ISS Calling Attention SRAVANA 23,1907 (SAKA) Calling Attention 186 cases. There is no complacency on our part. in rivers. After monitoring we win tack up We are a) so asking various industries to data analysis which will take 3 to 5 years. instal equipments which may help remove Accordingly. we wiJ1 formulate schemes and the pollution. I believe that there are two take up those rivers first where pollution is types of industries- those which already more. A study has already been undertaken existed before this Act came into force, and in this regard. So, there is no need to worry the others which came after it and, therefore, about it. we are trying to persuade these industries to in~tal equipments at the earliest which may You have specifically drawn our altention remove polJution in those industries. There towards forests. You are aware that forests are 4,000 industries which are creating have been denuded on a very large scale. pollution and 1966 industries, i.e., almost The difficulty is that our Forest Act dates half of them have installed the equipment back to 1927. It has become absolute and which may help remove pollution and some needs to be amended. At present we are of them are in the process of installing such examining the amendments to be made in it. equipments, installation of which would After examination of them, we will bring for- soon be comp leted. ward a Bill in this House to amend tbat Act. We are taking a number of steps to prevent So far as small units are concerned, we deforestation effectively. 1 hope that the Hon. are formulating schemes to set up combined Minister well be satisfied with the steps being treatment plants for them. Certain States, taken us by in this direction. like Gujarat have already formulated such a scheme and the same is being implelnented You have made a mention of many things properly. So far as these industries are such as drought, land erosion, un-cultivable concerned, I feel much progress has been land, carbon-di-oxide, enviromental imbalance made in this respect. We are having good pro- and also about industries manufacturing gress in this direction. So far as air pollution poisonous substances. We have made a provi- is concerned; in my view air pollution is sion even for these indusitries that will be caused due to two factors; i.e., Chimneys and set up in future that they will have to obtain major vehicles. We are making a lot of efforts clearance from the Department of, environ- to prevent it. Petrel contains a good quantity ment as also about the site of their installa- of lead. Efforts are being made to reduce its tion and the licence or the letter of intent will quantity. The standard content is considered not be sanctioned prior to tbat clearance. We to be 0.56 milligrams per letre and it causes are working on all fronts to check pollution. no harm. Still efforts are being made to I am sure in view of the facts stated above, reduce it further to 0.20 milligrams per letre the Hon. Member would be satisfied. so as to minimise pollution. So far as smoke from exhaust is concerned, we are asking the [English] industries to manufacture such equipments as may be fitted in exhaust-pipe in order to SHRI D. N. REDDY (Cuddapah): Mr. control it. Similarly, so far as emission of Chairman, just now the Hon. Minister smoke from chimneys is concerned, industries passed two remarks, very strange and out of are being urged to instal electro-static context. One was that the matter was -not so precepitators in large number in order to urgent as to call for a calling attention mlntmlse air pollution. An electrostatic notice. Another thing was that he was not precipitator can prevent almost 99.5 per cent directly connected with the subject; so many pollution. So, you well see that we are paying other Ministries were also concerned. adequate attention towards prevention of water and air pollution. SHRI VIR SEN: I did not say that many Ministries were concerned. So far as the question of pollution of rivers and lakes is concerned, you know that SHRI D. N. REDDY: But didn't you due to financial constraints we cannot take up say that it was not that urgent so as to call this work simultaneaously. But our policies for a calling attention notice ? and plans are such as to prevent pollution wherever it exists. So far as pollution of It is the Speaker, who allows the calling rivers is concerned, we have already done attention notice. I think, it is the height of and are further doing monitoring of pollution hypocrisy to pass such remarks against the 187 Calling Attention AUGUST 14. 1985 Calling Attention 188 calling attention notice. Once it is admitted The land's ability to serve mankind is by the Hon. Speaker, you have to obey the sapped by man himself. That is our tragedy Speaker, Minister or no Minister. Calling and it has been continuing for the last so attention notice has been admitted by the many years. Naturally, the Government will Hon. Speaker and your business and your have to come out with very strict laws to duty is to answer our points. You cannot prevent cutting of trees. In this context, I pass remarks against the calling attention may submit and I think, the Hon. Minister notice. is already aware, that only the rich and the higher classes of society are the real culprits Forests are nature's gift to nlankind. It and the poor take only dry wood for fuel. is the green gold of the country. Man is The rich people and the contractors are the dependent on tress for his very existence. Few rea 1 menace and they are responsible for sites are more beautiful than a full-grown degradation and deforestation in the country. tree laden with fruit and flower. Forest In my area in Rayalseema, there is a paper wealth is very important to economic factory in Kurnoo]. There is only one forest development. Every modern industry depends worth the name, Nalamala. They have been upon the forest products to some extent or systematically denuding the forest and smug- the other, either directly or indirectly. The gling that wood without licence. That is the forests provide food, fuel oil and products only forest in that area and that too is being for paper and doth industries, and most deforested. important of all is the life giving oxygen after absorbing carbon dioxide in the atmos- Only two or three years back, there were phere. very strong rumours-I am not going to mention the names -that in Simla, very According to specialists, 33 per cent of highly placed persons were involved in the the existing land should be under cover of deforestation, but no action was taken forests and only than the ecological balance against them. Instead of punishing them, they will be maintained and the mankind benefi- were rewarded. These are the people, who ted. Now, it is calculated that only about 23 are responsible for sacrilege aglinst nature. per cent of the land is under forest, and it is fast decreasing because of the senseless I would like to mention another factor deforestation and degradation of the forests. regarding development of new forests on a The country has lost about 4.3 million large scale. Let us begin at least now, so that hectares of forest land in the last thirty the future generations may bless us and not years. Probably again to afforest that area, curse us, because there will be no forests left, it may not only take thirty years, probably if the present situation continues. it will take three hundred years. I am very happy that the subject has been taken by the Any amount of legislation, without Prime Minister himself, and he has constitu- people's cooperation is not likely to give ted a Wasteland Development Board, which results. For example I can quote two ins- has a target of about five million hectares of tances. Firstly, the Chipko Movement in a land for afforestation every year. hope, the I small remote village (I do not know where Hon. Prime Minister would see that this it is exactly situated) in Uttar Pradesh, where properly enforced and he would scheme is women took an initiative and stopped htis not satisfied with simple statistics. be deforestation. I really congratulate them and actually it is worth emulation. In another Forest all over are subjected to either villages, here also do not remember the name, deforestation or degradation. If this process the elders of the village gathered together and continues, by the turn of the century, I am prohibited goats in the village just to protect afraid, there will not be any undisturbed trees. These are the people who will be able forest left worth tbe name. to conserve our forests wealth. Certainly Government has a responsibility to bring Our specialists say that devastating floods, forward laws and they must be very strict decrease of rainfall in various parts of the also. But, whatever law you may be bring- world and pollution of the atmosphere are ing, at the same time people also must be very much due to indiscriminate deforesta- educated so that you can get their full tjoo.. cooperation. ]89 Calling Attention SRAVANA 23,1907 (SAKA) Calling AlienI ion 190 There is another aspect of the matter, and prevent soil erosion. Soil erosion is a Wherever there is a systematic deforestation, very important subject. Central and State your staff has got a hand in it. It is the most Governments are spending millions of rupees corrupt department and without their know- to prevent soil erosion. At the same time, ledge nothing can happen, wood cannot be by cutting trees and by deforestration, we transported and forest wealth cannot be are increasing the area of soil erosion transported in a clandestine way. So, you and again we spend crores of rupees to have to gear up your staff first and then get protect our soil. This is the sad state of the cooperation of the people. affairs. It is high time that Government wakes ur to the realities and takes realistic Secondly, I have to mention the silent steps. This is a matter of very great impor- Valley Movement in Kerala. I must congra· tance and we have to take steps immediately tulate my friends because they have been if we want to have any results. I am saying successful, though against heavy odds, when this because, it takes ages before we are able the Centre came up with a Hydro-electric to get the results of intensive afforesation. project in that area. The project may be set up, but it may be set up in some other place, Sant Jambeswar, born 500 years ago, so that the Silent Valley, which is so famous was the first ecologist, and he was against all in Southern India, can be protected. these ills. He was wiser 500 years ago. We call ourselves civilised but we are still The Prime Minister has gone on record not wise to take his advice precisely and to say that measures will be taken to ensure carryon his instructions on maintaining cleaner air and water in all parts of the ecology in the atmosphere. Unless we wake country. That is the first basic problem and up, our future generations will curse us for first and primary duty of the Government. the very foul atmosphere we are creating, As I have already mentioned, I am very happy not only in our States but in other parts of that the Prime Minister has taken this the world also. subject under his own wing and I am sure that he will take steps immediately, so that at THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE least in stages this afforestation will grow and the ecological balance will be maintained. MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN): Sir. firstly, Man po1lutes shamelessly the pure Ganga I would like to t3ke up the question which whom we call Mother Ganga and then the Member has ra'sed about the admissibility go and pollute it. Recently, a few months of the Calling Attention Motion. I have back, ], along with some of the other Hon. pointed out in the beginning that tbe rule Menlbers went to Rishikhesh and Hardwar provides for any subject. It does not mean and after seeing what was happening there, the whole of the Ministry. It is not only I bad to hang my head in shame. Anyway, one subject but every subject ••• " the Government have come forward with (Interruptions) a gigantic project and I hope things will improve. MR. CHAIRMAN: You are not sup- Again, take Varanasi. I had, scrupulously posed to discuss all these things. You avoided to go there because I have been can answer the question. You can't discuss warned that it is the dirtiest city in the it . • •• whole of the world. (Interruptions) AN HON. MEMBER: The holiest too. SHRI D.N. REDDY: Yes holy, but SHRI VIR SEN: Has the question been dirty too. I want to visit one of the holiest admitted? cities rather than the dirtiest city in the (Interruptions) North. We have to take stringent stepts so that people behave properly, and steps should be taken on very stringent lines to maintain MR. CHAIRMAN: If the Speaker has the purity of our rivers. Man pollutes admitted it, you have to reply. shamelessly the Holy Ganga, destroys the very useful forests which give oxygen, water SHRI VIR SEN: Sir, I have performed 191 Calli"g Attentioll AUGUST 14, 1985 Calling Attention 192 my duty and I have answered every questi:>n SHRI D.N. REDDY: Please put it in that is put to me ... __ the trees. In fact they give such things •••••• (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: Now he is answer- SHRI VIR SEN: If you think that ing the question sonlewhere, the trees are being felled illegaIIy, (In terrupt io ns) you may adopt that method' of protection. That is very effective, I tell you. SHRI VIR SEN : Now, I would like to I think the Hon. Member on the other make one point. I think the Member has side had also spoken about public coopera- made some points about the rainfall, debility tion, and involvement of the public. Of of the ra in to sustainmen t and these are the course. we are asking for public involvement. questions where there can no dispute. be This Chipko movement is also one method The Hon. Member agrees. I also agree that by which public can be involved, and their forests are important for survival of the cooperation obtained. human kind. So, there is no dispute about that. He has drawn attention to the rich He talked about water pollution, ecologi- people, particularly the contractors. The cal pollution, and particularly about Mother Government have already taken steps to Ganges. I would like to tell the Hon. eliminate the contractorship in the forest Member that for control of pollution at operations. In many of the States, already Hardwar, a specific provision is being made. there is no contractorship. The felling of A project costing something like Rs. 98 lakhs trees, the management of plantation are has alr~ady been sanctioned. Work is going carried out by the corporations constituted on, on that project, and we hope that by in the States. So, I hope the Hon. Member January 1986, the project will be completed. who raised this question will be satisfied with We begin with Hardwar, and you will find this answer. that Hardwar will be almost clean by January 1986. Now, the Hon. Members have said that we must begin now. Of course, we qui te As far as Varanasi is concerned, he was agree with the Hon. Members that we should talking of its being the dirtiest city. I· may begin; we have already begun. Under the tell the Hon. Member that we are taking Social Forestry Programme also, we have steps regarding Varanasi as well. The already taken steps in that direction. On the effiuents which were falling ioto the river, 5th of January, the Prime Minister nlade a arrangements arc being made to di~ert declaration that we will be taking 5 million effluents by a sewer which is being provided hectares of waste land every year for along the Ganges. Of course, this sewer line forestry, particularly for raising fuel wood was already there; but because of financial and fodder. The Hon. Member will agree constraints. it was not operating. Now we that we are going in that direction, and it is have provided financial support, with the not DOW, but we are already taking steps in result that pumping stations are beginning to that direction. work. Water-dirty or polluted water-is being diverted. It is not being allowed to Now, the Hon. Member spoke about fall into the river. In this nlanner, we are Chipko. He was not talking of Chipko, but taking steps in this direction. he was thinking that Chipko is a village But may I remind that Chipko is not a I think I have covered all the points village, it is a movement. This movement which the Hon. Member had raised. was started by Sbri Sundarlal Bahuguna who MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri G.M. Banat- is the supporter of the movement. In order walla is not there. Now Shri Srihari Rao. to save tbe trees, he started this movement. If somebody comes and fell the trees, you (Translation] should stick to the trees and save it. In other words, you embrace the trees. For this *SHRI SHRIHARI RAO (Rajamundry): only he started the movement and has Mr. Chairman, Sir, t he Conservation of become Sunderlal Bahuguna ..... *The speech was originally delivered in (lnterruption$ ) Telugu. 193 Calling Attention SRA V ANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Calling Attention. 194 Forests Act came into being in 1980. Five years they cut all the trees they grew. As a years have already elapsed. Denudation of result only these individuals are deriving the forests is still continuing. In fact it has benefits. There is no improvement in the become much faster now. The Government environment. This programme has not have failed to take action against the people contributed at all for the growth of social who are destroying our forests. forests in the country. It shows how defec- tive the policy of the Government is. [English] MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Rao, you can Sir, it appears that the entire forest continue after lunch. The Ho use now policy is defective. The Government declares stands adjourned, and will re-assemble at a place as a reserve forest area where there 2 p.m. is not even ~ shrub. No anima) not even a dog is found in these areas. I will give you The Lok Sabha then adjourned for an example. An area of more than 2000 Lunch till Fourteen of the Clock. acres in the heart of Rajamundry is a reserve forest area. It was declared to be a reserved forest when Rajamundry was a small town The Lok Sabha re-assembled after with a population of 40,000. Not even a Lunch four minutes past Fourteen single tree can be seen now, in this reserved of the Clock. forest. Now the population of the town has swelled to 4 lakhs now. The town has [MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER in the Chair] become very congested. No effort has beeD made to develop this town. The town can- CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER not develop, for, there is river Godavari on OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE one side and this reserved forest on two -Contd. sides. The boundaries of this town was Reported Destruction of Forests and fi: Madras. It irrigates lakhs of acres of land Government is thinking of asking the in 'Rayalaseema and other Andhra regions. industrialists to install electro-static precipi- More food grains can be produced. The tators to check pollution. There are many entire country stands benefitted. Yet, sucb ways of checking the pollution.. There may an important project has not been cleared by be Acts. But the Government should the Centre on the excuse that it passes implement them vigorously. through reserved forest and hence destroys that forest. This example points out the Sir, the Government have decided to glaring defect in the policy of the Govern- clean the river Ganga. I welcome this ment. Hence I want to ask the Hon. decision. The entire country is an integral Minister whether the Government is going body. While cleaning the rivers in North, to revamp the entire policy thoroughly. the Governn1ent should not forget the rivers in South. There are major rivers like Sir, the Government is spending crores Krishna and Godavari. Godavari is a very of rupees for the development of forests. big river and as holy as the mother Ganges. The money is not being spent properly. So The Godavari waters also are being polluted the Act must change. Of course, the mere by the industries situated nearby. Have the change in the Act won't do. A social Government taken a decision to clean awareness will have to be created. A Godavari also. The talk of integration will revolutionary change in the attitude and in be real1y meaningful only when all parts of the thinking of the people has to be created. the country and all the rivers are treated The people should feel by themselves about equally. I want to know whether they will the harm caused by the felling of trees. I want establish a board on the lines of Ganga to know whether Government are working pollution control board for this purpose. in this direction. I request the Hon. Minister to reply to this question? Sir, the Chipko movement started by Shri Sunderlal Bahuguna has become very Sir, the Buckingham canal in Madras popular throughout the world and especially and Musi ::.inal in Hydcrabad are proving in Europe and Australia. It is a pitty that to be v ery dang~rous to the people in these we, in this country know only to ape others cities. They not only emit foul smell .. but and initate other. We kn(Jw not how to also are b~coming the sources of many respect our people who do pioneering work. diseases. These c:loats should be cleaned Shri Sunderlal Bahuguna's Chipko has immediately if the residents there arc to be escaped the attention of our people. saved. Not only major rivers like Ganga, Government should try to encourage such but also these canals which are a disgrace movements. I want to know how far the to these cities must have to be cleaned Government is going to help such move- immediately. I want to know whether ments. There should be an awareness Government are considering this matter among the people to grow more trees. Then also. only our forests will develop. Speaking about air pollution, Sir, I must The water in our rivers is being polluted say that it is too much in Delhi and in the by the effluents. Of various factories situat- surrounding areas. The chimneys of Thermal ed on their banks. Many industries are plants emit smoke day and night. Taj polluting the river waters in the country. Mahal, which is not very far off from Delhi I want to know wh~ther the Government is one among the seven wonders of the have taken any action in this regard. I want world. But this precious heritage of ours to know how Inany industrialists were has not escaped the cruel hands of po)1ution. punished so far? How many people have This structure has been affected by the been tried so far for polluting the water? Mathura refineries. A Committee was The f-Ion Min 'ster did not say even a single appointed to look into this matter. What word in this regard. Now the Government are the finds of that Committee and whether is j~suing licences to the new industries only the Government have jmpJem~nted its if they have arrangement to check pollution. recommendations? Sir, air pollution has But what about the indur;;tries which were become a meanace. Have the Government establkhed long back? They continue to asked all the industrialists to install anti- potlut! the air and I want to know whether pollution apparat,us jike electrostatic precipi- 197 Calling Attention SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Calling Allent ion 198 tators in their units. Have the Government not hold up the clearance of the projects, it directed them to do so ? is the State Governments that are themselves responsible for tbis. Sir, requesting the HOD. Minister to SHRI SRIHARI What about the answer my questions and thanking you for RAO : Telugu Ganga? giving n1C this opportunity, I conclude my speech. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You want deforestation or afforestation?' [English1 SHRI VIR SEN : In this case also we SHRI VIR SEN : The whole House is had sought for some additional information of the opinion that forests have to be pro- from the Tamil Nadu Government and this tected and I see Mr. Rao has a discordant information has only recently been supplied note. Well, we have to protect the forests. on 23rd July. We will be examining this That is the primary function that the Govern- information and I think we would be clearing ment intends to perform. . or rejecting, wha tever it may be, after some time. As a matter of fact, the delay is not He has cri ticised the Conservation of from our side, we try to dispose of the pro- Forests Act. He has said that because of jects as early as possible but we have to wait this Act development of some cities particu- for the information from the State Govern- larly Rajamundry has been stalled. This Act ment. is meant for protection of forests. Some AN HON. MEMBER: How early is projects are being taken up by the State early? Governmen ts like construction of darns where reservoirs are to be constructed SHRI VIR SEN: As a matter of fact, and transmission lines are to be laid. if every information is available with us, These projects are coming to the Central generally we clear the project within three Government and this Act authorises the months, but our hands are tight (Interrup- Central Government to give approval or not l:on). to give approval after taking into considera- tion the environmental aspect and the aspect SHRI C.l\1ADHAV REDDI (AdiJabad): of forestry our prin1ary duty towards mankind \Vhat type of information you want? is to protect forests so that the mankind may be protected and it may survive. So, SHRI VIR SEN : As a matter of fact, I wherever there is need for development we have no data with me, but the present posi- take into consideration whether it is in con- tion is that there are only 13 projects which sonance with.tbe environmental requirements are three months old and are lying with us. or not. At the same time, we take into So, there is not so much bulk with us. We consideration whether the forests can be have almost cleared many of them. When- saved by procuring alternative land. Only ever they are coming to us, \\ ~ are ta king when it is essential that forests have to be action very expeditiously. sacrificed for the sake of development, we do it and we give the approval, otherwise if we The other question that the Hon. Mem- feel that the project could be set up at some ber has raised is about the social forestry and other place, we ask for the information. grants to individuals to grow Eucalyptus. The afforesatation programme cannot succeed The Hon. Member has said about the if the Forest Department alone performs it, delay in clearing the projects. We are clear- the cooperation of the people is essential. ing the projects but the nlain difficulty with What we want is that the movement should us is that sonletimes the information is not be supported by the people in general. That complete, and when we call for the informa- is why we are taking help from the people in tion, it somet imes takes years together. general from the villagers, from the WOlDen Ordinarily it is eKpected that within three in the villages, from the youth from educa- weeks they should supply the information tional institutions and even from children. sought for but sometinles even after repeated We expect that every child should plant at reminders, we don't get the information. least one tree so that he may have interest That is why the projects are held up at the in it, he may rear the tree and help in the Centre. Particularly I may say that we do afforestation programme. 199 Calling Attention AUGUST 14, 1985 Calling Attention 200 It is true that some people are going in Pollution by factories and air pollution for Eucalyptus because it is a fast growing are the two things which the Hon. Member tree and it gives returns quite early. There has pointed out. In my earlier statement as are some trees which may ta ke 60 years or al~o in reply to a question by Shrimati Usha more for maturing. But this is a tree which Choudhari, I have said that as far as the matures in about five years and at the age industrial pollution is concerned, two types of 15 years, it gives maximum benefit. If of industries are there. One type is of those you have to take cooperation of the people industries which have come up after the in general, you have to show them that enactment of the Water Pollution Act and there is some economic -benefit also by the Air Pollution Act, and the other type of resorting to plantations. If we give some industries are those which came up before opportunity to the villagers, we will have the enactment of those Acts. For those to think of showing them the benefits also. industries which have come up after the And I think if in five years they can get enactment of these Acts, we have made it some returo, that will be an incentive to a necessary condition that they have to them and that will rouse their interest in include the measures for pollution control growing trees. in the scheme itself and in the project report itself. It must form part of the project. As I have already said, it is necessary Their proposal and their equipments have to seek the cooperation of the people in to be verified. The Pollution Board will general. That is why we desire that nurseries verify whether the equipment is fit enough to should be raised by individuals in the control pollution, and unless a certificate is villages. If the Forest Department raises the obtaind from the Board, of COUfSe the letter nurseries, it is not profitable to distribute of intent will not be converted into a them and the transport co=>t is also very licence. In this way, of course, we are taking high. So, what we desire is that the procautions in this respect also. nurseries should be raised in the mofussil areas, in the interiors of rural areas. By For setting up .of the hazardous industry doing this whereas the planting material will also, we are taking precautions and making be available easily at a shorter distance, at provisions. If we think that some industries the same time it will be beneficial to the are harmful or hazardous, then without the individuals to raise such nurseries. approval from the Environment Department The Hon. Member has said that instead this industry will not be allowed to be set of sacrificing the reserve forests, we should up. try to raise millions of hectares of our waste land. As a matter of fact, 1 should SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY (Midna- not agree to the first part of the suggestion pore) : What about the old industries? but as far as the secoud part is concerned, I fully agree and that is what we are already SHRI VIR SEN: As far as the old doing. The Prime Minister's declaration on industries are concerned, first we persuade 5th January said that five million hectares them. If that persuation fails, we prosecute of waste land will be brought under foresta- them. There are several cases which have tion. This is an approach which I think been brought to the court also and in some the Hon. Members on the other side will cases prosecutions have resulted. The figure appreciate and commend. is available with me, but it will take some time for me to find that out from the mass I am thankful to the Hon. Menlber that of information. So, jf the Hon. Members he has talked of ov~rhauling the Act. But are interested, I will give complete informa- which Act is to be overh.luled? Of course, tion to them later on. not the Conservation Act but the Forest Acf, and we are thinking of bring ng out certain Now, I come to the air pollution in Delhi amendments to the Act so that the preserva- and Agra. I think in Delhi 40 per cent of tion and conservation of the forests is more the air po11ution is particularly from the effective. We are thinking of putting in thermal stations. As far as Rajghat Thermal some penal provisions also for those who station is concerned, we have asked the are held responsible for felling the trees units to be closed. The other units, of course, illeplly. are using electro-static precepitators. Now, 201 Calling Attention SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Calling Attention 202 as the Hon. Member has suggested about [Translalion] the electro-static precipitators, we are already insisting upon these and some of the units SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK are already using it. In Delhi some preci- (Sonepat) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the pitators have become old and are not so Hon. Members who bave spoken earlier have efficient. So, we are asking those units to thrown enough light on this subject and instal new ones. Ordinarily, of course, a new as I am the las t to speak on this subject. I electrostatic precipitator is capable of control- would try not to repeat those points. ling 99.5 per cent of pollution. So, in that direction we are moving and acting and Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the most im- wherever it is necessary, we nlove 1he court portant objective before the Third World is and take necessary action. to establish peace in the world and the next most iInportant objective, I feel, is to save the SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI environnlent from pollution. The Hon. (Howrah) : What steps are you taking to l\1embers have rightly said that most parts of prevent pollution in Calcutta. the world are facing the problem of water and air poilu lion. Various schemes are being SHRI VIR SEN : Well the step~. \ve are formulated to solve this problem. Thousands taking in other States, also appJy to Calcutta. of human beings die throughout the world I would like to say only one point about dut: to acute shortage of water or due to the pollution effect by the refineries in Agra wakr pollution. According to an estimate and Taj. As a matter of fact investigations 70 per cent of diseases are caused due to have been made of the quality of the air there water pollution and 30 per cent of them due and it has been found that it is not injurious to air pollution. The Ganga passes through to the Taj. eight St3tes in our country. }V1any cities in these states for instance, 26 cities of Uttar About saving of the Taj, we have taken Pradesh, 15 cities of Bihar, and 59 cities of another measure. An area has been designated West Bengal are situated on the banks of as Trapezium and within that area we do not river Ganga. Similarly, 132 factories are permit any industry of polluting nature to located along the banks of Ganga. This come up. Of course, some industries have means that 37 per cent of the country's applied for pe-rmission. I remember in onc population is located on the banks of the case which we received, we have refused per- Ganga. The effluents from these factvries mission to set up industry in that area. We ftow into the Ganga which pollute the water are very careful about our cultural heritage of river Ganga. The water of river Yamuna of Agra as well as the Taj. We are careful and other rivers is also polluted in a similar that such industries do not come up there. way which causes diseases and results in the I think I have made all the points. death of human beings and animals. This water is not even good to take a bath what SHRI SRIHARI RAO: \Vhat about to speak of drinking it. People living along water pollution ? the banks of river Ganga fall victim to dreaded diseases like Cholera, Polio, Typhoid, SHRI VIR SEN: We are cleaning the stomach ailments and cancer due to the Ganga. As a matter of fact, I think the polluted water of the river. Not only this, Hon. Member was not present when I was the pisciculture as well as agro-industries replying to the lady Member. suffer a great loss due to the polluted water. Tbe Government have formulated a Ganga water cleaning scheme. The Hon. Prime SHRI SRlllARI RAO: Why don't you Minister has also laid great emphasis on this take up Godavari along with the Ganga? in his first public statement, but the Planning Commission has earmarked only Rs. 80 crores SHRI VIR SEN : All the rivers are in the Seventh Plan for this purpose, whereas being monitored. In some rivers of course it our Government had placed a demand for a is at advanced stage. But as far as the provision of at least Rs. 250 crores for this projects are concereed, we win come forward purpose. Only Rs. 10 crores have been before you when there is availability of funds. earmarked for Ganga cleaning scheme in Thank you. 1985-86. 203 Calling Attention AUGUST 14, 1985 Calling Attention 204 The second type of pollution is air pollu- the main reason for growing pollution is that tion which is caused by vehicles, factories there are a number of lacunae in the preven- and industrial waters. Nowadays forests tion of Water Pollution Act, 1974. The are being denuded in a large area but new general view is that this Act is not com- trees are being planted in less number. mensura te with present time and circum- Whenever the fcrests are the only means to stances. There are a number of hurdles in combat the problem 0f floods and drougb!. the way of taking action against those The Hon. Membrs ha ve just now said in factories which release dirty waters and their speeches that trees and air have close effluents indiscriminately. I would like to relation. I would add that the water has also ask the Hon. Minister whether an amend- very close relation with trees and air. The ment in the Act will be brought forward in trees and plants produce their food from this session or not? carbon-dioxide, solar energy and water and in exchange emit oxygen which is very My second question is, what is the dura- essential for all living beings. So it is very tion of the scheme to eliminate water pollu- necessary to plant trees to prevent air pollu- tion in the Ganga and other rivers and what tion. But in our country trees are being action Government is going to take in this felled in -a very large number and their matter so that the country may not have to number is much more than the number of face the problem of water and air pollution trees which are being planted. I would like arising out of the growing population, large to submit that besides oxygen the trees give nUlnber of factories and growing need for us rains, medicines and water for agriculture. urbanisation among the people? Due to felling of trees, the cycle of rains in our country is being disturbed. Thirdly, what is the number of persons in India who die due to water and air pollu- Other Hon. Members have expressed tion annuaIJy and what has been the increase their views in detail in this respect. I would in this figur~ during the last three years? also like to place some suggestions and then pot questions. Fourthly, how much total funds have been spent by the Government during the last three years to do away with air and wa ter I would like to suggest that the Centre pollution? and the State Governments should instruct all those factories which release polluted Fifthly, what are the causes of acid rains water and emit smoke that they should and w ha t are the measures to cbeck it? instal treatment plants at their premises at Can India also be affected by acid rain the earliest so tha t polluted water is pre- and what are the possibilities to control vented from flowing into the rivers and the it ? polluted air is prevented from polluting the environment. It will have two benefits-one Sixthly, every year, a large number of is that the water of the rivers is saved dead bodies are cremated on the Ghats of from being polluted and secondly treated Ganga. There is no mention of disposal of water and the gas can be used for other dead bodies in the Ganga cleaning scheme. useful purposes. Only it has been mentioned that dead bodies should not be thrown into Ganga. In this connection I would like to know whether the Beside this, I would also like to submit Government after going through the matter that the Government should lay stress on this propose to incorporate a provision in the point that our educational institutions should Act to prevent people to cremate the dead teach the students of the schools regarding bodies at the Ganga Ghats? protection of trees and forests and also about planting new trees. This subject should also Seventhly, what is the number of rivers be included in the syllabus of the students so in India in respect of which survey has been that the future generations may have full conducted by the Government till now and knowledge about it and they may make aU what is the percentage of polluted water in efforts to protect the trees. various rivers in India? I would like to say, as is also the Eighthly, as the Hon. Members who opinion of tbe noted environmentalists. that spoke earlier have also asked, wbat is the 205 Calling Attention SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Calling Attention 206 number of persons against whom action has Some suggestions ha ve been made that been taken a nd prosecution has been factory owners should be given instructions launched? I would like to know the number regarding air pollution etc. We are already of factory owners against whom action has implementing it. We challan those persons been taken for causing pollution in water who do not follow the instructions. I have and air in the last three years under a detailed list. It is nut available with me .. Prevention of Air Pollution Act and just now, otherwise I would have intimated Prevention of Water PoJlution Act? How the number of persons against whom action many such persons have been convicted and has been taken. whether any factory owner has been sent to jail in this connection? According to my [English] information such persons are let off by imposing a minor penalty of Rs. 10, Rs. 20 PROF. N. G. RANGA (Guntur): You or Rs. 50. They are not awarded any can supply the information and place it on stringent punishment. I would like to suggest the Table of the House. that there should be such a provision in the Prevention of Water PoJIution Act. 1974 SHRI VIR SEN : That I can do. I win and the Prevention of Air Pol1ution Act, place it on the Table of the House. 1974 and the Indian Forests Act that they become more practical and the erring persons [Trans fat ion] are awarded most stringent punishment so that people are prevented from polluting the SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSI water and the air. (Howrab) : Pollution is somewhat more on that side. That should be removed. With these words I would like to urge SHRI VIR SEN: Wherever this pollu- the Hon. Minister to look into this matter tion is more, efforts will be made to and save this country from air and water remove it. pollution. ( Interruptions) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND We have removed pollution on this side. FORESTS (SHRI VIR SEN) : Mr. Deputy I have just said that in Calcutta Speaker, Sir. in his introductory speech the Hon. Member has drawn attention towards [Ellglish] forests. There is no need to reply it. Then he has raised many questions. I have MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Do you already replied to these points earlier. A think that placing some papers on the Table main question has be~n raised regarding wil1 get polluted? the Ganga Scheme that the Planning Commission has sanctioned only Rs. 80 [Translation] crores for it. 1 think that it is correct that less amount has been sanctioned in the SHRI V1R SEN: The Hon. Member scheme but I believe that funds will not be has spoken about education also. We are a problem in implementing the scheme. The already paying a ttention towards the field of Hon. Members n1ight be aware that when education and are incorporating it in the the Hon. Prime Minister visited France, syllabus for Primary Schools. We are also the Government of France offered to give trying to incorporate it at higher level. We help. We are looking into it also. Besides are also making efforts at this University thls the World Bank, U.S.A., U.K., level that it should be incorporated at the Switzerland and Canada and some other degree stage as well. We are already paying countries have made proposal to offer as attention in that direction. The Hon. help. We will consider these proposals. We Member has referred to the throwing of will accept these condition of these countries dead bodies in the rivers. There is a process whicb are found suitable and steps will which is called "D.O.D.". It helps it} be taken to . put the scheme into preventing the contamination of water. The eff~t. living beings need chemicals in the water. 207 Mailers Under Rule 377 AUGUST 14, 1985 J..latters Under Rule 377 208 If the pollution of water is removed, the (i) Need to declare seven state roads living beings win start growing. It will result in Madhya Pradesh as National in the growth" of fish and the Tortoise. Highways However, the Nature has her own in bui1t arrangements. Where there is pollution, it is KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI (Raigarh) cleaned by Tortoise and fish. However, we Sir, Madhya Pradesh is lagging far behind in think that it is essential to check this the field of road communication. There are pollution. If dead bodies can be cremated eight National Highways in M.P., whose in the electric crematoriun1 then this should total length is 2)676 kms. The average length be done. This is what we think. The Hon. of National Highway in India is 0.92 km. Member has referred to the acid rains also, per 100 sq.kn1. whereas it is only 0.60 km. in when the sulphur oxide go upwards and M. P. No new National Highway has been there is reaction in the atmosphere then it added in this State over the last two decades is converted into the forn1 of acid and falls whereas the length of National Highway in down. This does not occur in our country other States have increased by 6 to 83 per but takes place only in the countries, having cent. cold climate. We need not worry about it and as such there is no need to do some· It is regrettable that due attention has thing particular about it. I think I have not been paid for the addition of new Nati- replied to all the questions of the Hon. onal Highway in M. P. Due to the central Member. location of the State of M. P. in the map of India, the traffic frofl1 North to South or East to West has to pass through this State. Therefore, the role of High-way assumes BUSINESS ADVISORY greater importance. COMMITTEE [English) The National Transport Policy Committee Eleventh Report had recommended to the G overnrnent of India to declare seven State roads: namely, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now. we (1) Gwalior, Jhansi, Nowgang, Rewa; (2) will take up item No. 13. Nagpur, Ambikapur; (3) Jabalpur, Shahdol, Ambikapur, Gunala~ (4) Raipur, Ambikapuf, THE MINISTER OF PARLIA- Varanasi: (5) Bhopal, Indore. Jhabua, Ahme- MENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI H. K. L. dabad; (6) Jagdalpuf, Rajamundry; and BHAGAT): I beg to move: (7) Nizamabad. Jagdalpur as National High- ways. But it is unfortunate that no step has "That tnis House do agree with the been taken in regard to the recommendations Eleventh Report of the Busi ness of the National Transport Policy Committee. Advisory Committee presented to the House on the 13th August, 1985." Madhya Pradesh is a backward State and MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The ques- predominantly inhabited by tribals. Therefore, tion is : 1 request that the above mentioned seven state Roads should be declared as National "That this House do agree with the Highways by the Central Government, with Eleventh Report of the Business Advi- out any furtrcr delay. sory Committee presented to the House on the 13th August, 1985." [Translation} The motion lfas adopted (Ii) Need to diffierentiate the colours of Oye Ammonium Phosphate and Super Phosphate' Crystals MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI [English) (Khalilabad) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Janak . want to raise a matter of urgent public Raj Gupta -not here. importance under rule 377, India is predo- minantly an agricultural country and even Sbri Vishnu Modi- .. not here. now about 80 per cent of the total popula- 209 Matters Under Rule 377 SRA VANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Matters Under Rule 377 210 tion depend solely on agricultural for their available in the country were "woefully li-v.elibo0d. Of course agricultural production inadeq uate" . These studies have also shown has increased in the recent years in which the that alcohol and drug dependence rates have av~ilability of means of irrigation and use of registered a disturbingly rising trend in chemical fertilizers have played a key role. sections of the population. Indoor treatment Even today 60 per cent of fertilizers which facilities at a time exist only for 20,000 are used in the country are produced indige- people and existing services could cater to nously and the remaining' 40 per cent are only ten per cent of those urgently in need imported from abroad to meet the needs of of mental health care. Worse sti11, there is country. The fertilizers which are imported, lack of awareness that mental disturbances are rebagged at the port itself. Complaints could be properly and SCientifically treated to this effect have been received that when leading to people resorting to superstitious the bags reach the farmer, they are found practices. Mental health and education, underweighed. Weight of one bag should be thelefore, needs to get adequate priority in 50 kgs. I ts main cause is underweighing and the Seventh Plan. the use of hook. Moreover, this fertilizer mix is produced in the country in different (iv) T. V. Relay station for Nal20nda kinds and their sale price vary to a great extent. If you take our fertilizers from the SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY bags you will find that all kinds of fertilizers (Nalgonda) : Sir, Na1gonda is about 110 KM look almost the same colour and size. With from Hyderabad. It is a pity that this big the result the cheap fert ilizers are sold easily district having 15 taluks is without the faci- in the name of costly fertilizers at high lity of a TV Relay Station. The people of prices. this district have been demanding a TV Relay Station at this place. More S4) In these circumstances the poor farmer because the TV station at Hyderabad is of is duped. For example the single super fast no use to the people of Nalgonda as the crystal, which costs Rs. 50 per bag is sold photo relay is very weak especially the very easily in the name of Di-ammonium Nagarjuna Sagar, Kodeda and Devarkonda phosphate at Rs. 175 per bag because the Taluks are quite far away from Hyderabad colour and the size of these fer tilizers are and people are deprived of this facility. The identical. setting up of this Relay Station is very important for the development of this region and also for the education and entertainment I, therefore urge the Hon. Minister of of the public of the area at large. Chemicals and Fertilizers, that permission' for producing di-ammonium phosphate in t request the Government that a TV one single colour may be granted which Relay Station may be immediately set up at should be different from that of superphos- Nalgonda for the benefit of the people of phate crystals so that the malpractices, which Nalgonda area. are going on a large scale, are checked. lTran.\lation) [English] (v) Construction of Railway Bridges at (iii) Adequate Priority needed to mental Chittoni and Digbagbat and demand bealth and education during 7th Plan for another train between Siwan statiol) in Bihar and Delhi SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA (Vaishali) : Sir, the revelations of the Survey SARI KALI PRASAD PANDEY on Mental Health conducted by the National (Gopalganj) : Mr. Deputy speaker, Sir, Institute of Mental Health and Neuro Under Rule 377, I would like to draw the Sciences are shocking. They show that attention of the House to a matter of very some 74 million Indians are hit by various urgent public importance which relates to types of mental disorders. But minor problems of railways:- Mental disorders have struck as many as 30 to 40 million Indians. Mental retardation "In 1974, the foundation stone of among children was also high, upto one per Chhitauni Railway bridge in western cent. However, the Qlental health services Champaran of Bihar was laid by late 211 Matters Under Rule 377 AUGUST 14, 1985 Matters Under Rule 377 212 Prime Minister Shrimati Indira Gandhi, difficulties to the people intending to but it has not been constructed so far. travel between Madhya Pradesh, The construction of this bridge would Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan, but not only provide a direct link between when roads are blocked, the life of U. P. and Bihar, but it would also the people is also in danger in these link Nepal with India. docoit infested areas and especially there is hindrance in the movement Late Railway Minister, Shri Kedar of the police. In addition, this 'back- Pandey had assured the people of Bihar that ward area is not linked with the Dighaghat (Patna) railway bridge would be National Highways of Agra, Ferozabad constructed; but this bridge has not been and Etawah etc. and as a result the constructed so far. This bridge is very transportation of produce of this area necessary to link North Bihar with South is totally unsatisfactory. This is an Bihar. There is no direct railway link bet- obstacle in the economic development ween North Bihar and South Bihar. As a of the area. It is therefore, essential result, the passengers have to face a lot of to construct a pucca bridge over inconvenience. - Daily sale proceeds of Chambal between Usetghat and Khurd tickets at Seevan Railway Station is Rs. Raipur and Nagla Silawali. During 2 lakhs to Rs. 2.50 lakhs and thousands of the last 38 years, M. Ps. from this passengers start their journey from this constituency have a1so raised a demand Station to U. P., Delhi. Haryana and Punjab. for the construction of this bridge, But the only train which passes through this but no action has been taken so far. Station is Jayanti Janta Express. As a result, I would, therefore, request the Central the passengers have to face a lot of diffi- Government to provide the necessary culties. In addition, hundreds of passengers financia I assistance to Madhya Pradesh are left behind. and get this bridge completed in the national interest at the earliest. I would submit to the Hon. Railway Minister that Bihar is a backward state and especially North Bihar and, therefore, request [English] him to undertake the following items of works without further de1ay :- (vii) Steps needed to place sufficient orders for wagon in West Bengal 1. Construction of Chhitauni Rail- way Bridge; SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSI 2. Construction of Dighaghat (Patna) (Howrah) : Sir, in West Bengal, the main Railway Bridge; and wagon industry is being looked after by three public sector units and one unit m the 3. Introduction of one more train private sedor, l'iz., Burn Standard & Co., like Jayanti Janta via Seevan Jessop Co., Brajthwait & Co. and Texmaco Station {,Bihar) to Delhi. Ltd., respectively. More than 25,000 people are directly involved in this industry and tak- ing into account its ancil1aries, etc., the total (vi) Central Assistance to Madhya Pradesh involvement will be about 50,000 people. for construction of a pucca bridge over Chambal river in District ~1orena The wagon industry in ] ndia is not at SHRI KA!\1~10DILAL JATAV all a losing one in the sense that the Railways (Morena) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Under have a big demand and also in the interna- Rule 377, I would like to raise the foHowing tion~l market we have a number of big matter of urgent public importance:- offers for export. Without sufficient wagons, the increasing goods traffic cannot be catered "Chambal river flow') in Ambah Tehsil to and the price rise cannot be resisted. of District Morena in Madhya Pradesh adjoining Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan, Unfortunately this year there is a huge but there is not even a single pucca cut on production orders for wagons. by the bridge over the river there. This RailwriYs to these units as a result of which ~auses not only inconvenience and there is a ~eriQu$ crisis, ~i3 Indian k.iys. (Arndt.) Bill SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bj/I 214 While it is a fact that there is a serious Some of the Hon'ble Members raised the resource constraint in every department of issue of punctuality of trains. I must say the Government, how could one justify the that this new Ministry has done its best in curtailment in wagon production which will improving the punctuality and also the never be a waste or a bad investment? quality of service of the Indian Railways. Burn Standard & Co. is one of the Coming to some of the problems of our major units in my constituency, Howrah, and State, if we consider the railwc.y as a means if the Railways do not place sufficient orders of development, in that respect Bihar has with it now, it wilJ have very adverse effects been grossly neglected by the Railway on other co-units in Bengal. Ministry. Certain problems are pending with the Railway Ministry for a long time I, therefore, call upon the Minister of and they are extremely needed for the Railways as well as the Minister of Finance development of our State. As has been just to place sufficient wagon orders to save the now pointed out by one of the Members of industry. my State, the Railway bridge over the river Ganges in Patna not only connects the north and south Bihar, but it will connect North Bihar with the rest of the country. It is still isolated. I think a lot of engineering work has been done for this bridge. I INDIAN RAILWAYS (AMENDMENT) request the Railway Minister to take up this BILL-Contd. bridge in this plan period itself. [Engi/sh] The second point is tbat Bihar is not MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The House connected with South by any goods train. will now take up further consideration of the There are two trains-Mahanagri ' and folJowing motion moved by Shri Bansi Lal Ganga-Cauvery going upto Benaras-and if on the J 3th August, 1985, namely: they all extended up to Patna that will serve the purpose of the people of Patna who -. "That the Bill further to amend the want to go to the South. Indian Railways Act, 1890, be taken into consideration." The Rajdhani Express does not pass through the capital of Bihar. I request the SHRI C.P. THAKUR: I request the Railway Minister that at least two days in a hone Member to be very brief. Only five week~ the Rajdhani Express should pass minutes are allotted to each Member. through Patna. SHRI C.P. THAKUR (Patna): Mr. There are certain smaller problems like Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this construction of railway crossing near small Amendment to the Indian Railways Act, places like Bankagbat Station, for which I 1890. requested earlier also. This will actually help about 40000 people. Another probJem pending with the Government for a long IS.0J brs. time is the new broadguage line between [SHRI N. VENKATA RATNAM in the Bhawanathpur and ladunathpur with a railway bridge over river Sone. This area has got a Chair] lot of lime stone and one cement industry This is a very simple amendment. Only, it has been sanctioned by the Bihar Govern- is going to enhance the quantum of punish- ment and if this arilway line is given, it will ment for obstruction of the railway. accelerate the pace of development in tbat area. The second one is the broadguage line The Railway plays two very vital between Muzaffarpur and Narkatiaganj. and functions, one as a nleans of transport and the extension of that line upto Raxaul. the other as a nleans of development. This This will also lead to the development of amendment has been brought with the second that area, the North Bihar. Th~ Bihar view in mind, just to accelerate the pace of Government is setting up a paper factory development in the country. there. If a broadguage line is constructed 215 India" Rlys. (Arndt.) Bill AUGUST 14, 1985 Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bill that will accelerate the movement of the PROF. N.G. RANOA (Guntur): What goods in that area. There are many other about ticketless travel? projects pending with the Government. One of the district headquarters - Hazaribagh SHRI C.P. THAKUR: We want a has not been connected by rail way line even stringent law to deal with the train after 37 years of independence. robberies. With these words, I thank you. The conversion or change of Ranchi- Lohardaga-Tori railway line, a new broadguage Hne, between Lalmatia and [Trails/at ion] Pirpanti should also be looked into. I have DR. G. S. RAJHANS (Jbanjharpur): been just now mentioning in this House Mr. Chairman, Sir, you have brought forward that co}llpletion of bridge on river Gandak a very good Bill and for this you deserve on West Champaran and UP Border for our congratulations. I had recenlty gone to which foundation was laid by Prime Minister Bihar. A passenger had said a very interes- in 1976, also conversion of Samastipur- ting thing. A passenger had said that earlier Darbhanga and Jainagar Railway line n1eter there was the slogan "where there is Life- guage into broad guage and construction of buoy, there is health.", but now the slogan new broad guage line between Barwadih to is "where there is Bansi Lal, there is effici- Chirmiri and conversion or change in ency". This is the feeling in the minds of Daroda-Mahrajganj Railway line are the people that our Railway Minister is extremely needed. very efficient and he can reform the Railway I will request the Railway Minister to be system of this country. a little sympathetic to Bihar because Bihar is economically backward and if we consider As my colleague. Dr. Thakur had said railroute the per capita wise or area-wise, just now, dacoities in Railway trains take Bihar is much behind many other states. place with the convenience of Railway employees and passengers are murdered. I come to certain other problems connect- Have you ever thought about awarding ed with the better functioning of the punishment to such persons? railways. One is the train robbery. This If you ever travel from Patna to Sahab- year there was a statement by the State Home Minister that the train robberies are ganj especially through a passenger train. more this year tban the previous year. In you would see a very interesting phenomenon during your journey. Between Kiul and Jamal this connection I would like to narrate an instance. A junior doctor was posted in pur, people show currency Notes of Rs. 5 Dhanbad sub division. After just three and Rs. 10 near the railway track and the days of his posting, a young driver came to Engine driver slows down the train and takes him and r\!quested the doctor to make him money from them. Five minutes after that sick for two days. The doctor asked hinl coal is thrown from the railway engine. First as to why he wanted to be sick. The driver coal worth Rs. 10/- is thrown and thereafter -said that he had to drive a goods train tbe coal worth Rs. 5/- is thrown. In this way different quantity of coal is thrown for next day from one station to another and Rs. 5 that train would be looted by dacoits. All or Rs. 10 or Rs. 20. After trains arrival at Jamalpur, the train comes to dead stop as that he has to do was to slow the speed of the train. They would climb on the train no coal is left in the Railway engine. One person might be travelling in that train for 'and they would tie my hands and then they the tr"atmen t of his disease. He might be would loot. I would take the train to the Dext station and inform tho:! Police. 1 y.ould in a very serious condition, but he dies in the get b. 5\)()() but I did not want it: So he train. Who is responsible for that? Would you formulate any law in this regard? took sick leave. The d rna was repeated and the same thing happened. If you are travelling in a three tier What I want to say is that in most of compartment, you would find that after the train robberies there is a nexus between arrival of the train at M ughalsarai, people the Police, the railway authorities and the run here and there and say that every body crjminaJs~ ••... should be alert as Bihar is approaching and 217 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bi.ll SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Indian R/Ys. (Arndt.) Bill 218 people w-ould loot the passengers. I do not Survey for construction of Sakari Hasan- say tbat people of Bihar loot the passengers pur Railway line was undertaken and even but s1lCh an atmosphere has deen created the funds for this line were also sanctioned, there. but this Railway line has not been construc- ed so far. This demand has been raised for Sir, there is a lot of without ticket quite a long time that a coach factory might tra veiling in Bihar. At least three Integral be established in Bihar. It is a matter of coach factories could be established with the great shame for us that workers from Bihar money realised from the persons travelling come to Delhi, Ghaziabad, Faridabad and without tickets. Ballabhagarh for employment. Why should other employment opportunities not be (-English] created for them there itself? They should be provided the employment in their local MR. CHAIRMAN : Please confine your areas itself For this purpose, a coach factory se If to the amendment. might be estab1i!>hed in Bihar. I have already said that If without ticket travelling DR. G. S. RAJHANS: It is quite and bungling in Bihar is stopped, a factory relevant. ]t is not irrelevant. What I wanted could be established there. The railway to say is that if there is punishment problem in Bihar is mo~t acute. Therefore, for this sort of crime, there should be puni- railway problen1s is Bihar ~hould be tackled shment for others a]so who comn1it greater in all seriousness. I would request the Hon. crimes and more serious crimes. Railway Minister that he should himself travel in a train through Bihar, especially [Translation] from Delhi to Calcutta via Bhagalpur and he should himself see as to what type of You may visit any third class compart- crimes take place there. He should visit ment or first class compartn1ent. People do Bihar without prior intimation like frime not care for the security guards posted there. Minister who is going to tribal areas without They are in collusion with them and drink any information. He should see as to how liquor openly. Nobody could travel with crimes take place with the connivance of them with the members of his family. The Railway employees and fake railway tickets commuters, who are generally hooligans, are sold. After all who is losing the money. enter the coaches forcibly and people are It is your loss. The problem of Railways in insulted. would like to submit to the Hon. I Bihar is very acute and the Hon-Railway Railway Minister that he is efficient and Minister should himself look into the pro- competent and he bas got reputation as an blem and solve the problem. efficient Minister. He has brought pros- perity in Haryana by turning the barren land into a fertile one. If he wants to *SHRI M. SUBBA REDDY (Nandyal) reform the Railway system, he can certainly Mr. Chairman, Sir, I come from NandyaJ, bring about improvement in the Railways. the constituency \\hich Shri P. Venkata Subbiah represented in this august' House. I would also like to add one more thing During his time he made two promises to that a. foundation stone for Darbhanga the people of this constituency. Now, I want Samastipur was laid by Late Shri Lalit to remind the Hon. Railway Minister of the Naram Mishl'a and this matter bas been promises made by Shri Venkata Subbiah and raised many a times here. Even the work for keep up these promises. Sir, one of the laying of Railway line had started, hut the promises made by Shri Venkata Subbiah former Railway Minister abandoned the was about the construction of an over- work here and instead started the laying of bridge near Nandyal and the other was R.aHway line at MaIda. There cannot be about conducting a survey for a railway line greater injustice than this with North Bihar. between Nandyal and Yerraguntta. He could Your former Railway Minister dismentled not keep up his promises. At least now the the Raiway line in Bihar and took it to present Railway Minister would respect the MaIda. Such an injustice should not be words of Venkata Subbiah. I hope, the ~wed to happen. If the people of North Bihar do not raise their voice, it does not *The speech was orginally delivered in mean that injustice should be done to them. Telugu. 219 Indian Rlys. (Altldt.) Bill AUGUSt' 14, 1985 Indian RJys. \( Amdt.) Bill 220 present Railway Minister would take up the happens to be metergauge, people are facing eonstruction of over bridge at Nandyal. many difficulties. The connection available to various tra ins is almost nil. Above aU. Sir, the Tunga Bhadra Express is running this conversion would serve the needs of the between Secunderabad and Kurnool. There farmers in this area. Hence, I request the is not much income to the Government from Hon. Minister to see that Secunderabad- this train, It starts about 5.30 P.M. at Guntakal line is converted into broadgauge Secundrabad and reaches Kurnool at 10.30 as early as possib1e. P.M. and halts there for whole of the night. If this train is extended upto Guntakal, it Sir, a coach factory at Tirupathi was will not only yield good revenue but also sanctioned by the Government long back. serve the needs of the people in that area. Lot of injustice has been done to Andhra I had written a letter some time back Pradesh in this matter. The Government requesting the Hon. Railway Minister to have not taken up the construction of this extend Tungabhadra Express upto Guntaka1. factory so far. This compels us to think that The Hon. Railway Minister has replied Andhra Pradesh is being meted out a step- saying that he would consider the matter. motherly treatment. Tirupathi is an indus- But, so far no action has been taken. I once trial centre. It is a famous pilgrim centre. again request the Hon. Minister, through The assurance given by the Centre that this august House. to take a decision to coach factory will be established at Tirupathi extend Tungabhadra Express upto Guntakal. has not been fulfilled so far. The Govern- If this train is extended upto Guntaka 1, ment should set up this factory at least now, it gives connection to Bombay-Bangalore to keep their word. I hope the Government Mail which arrives at Guntakal at 10 0' would respect their word. All the Prime Clock. The Tungabhadra Express. if exten- Ministers from Smt. Gandhi to the present ded, will reach Guntakal by 1 A.M. So the Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi favoured the extension of this train will prove to be boon establishment of coach factory at Tirupathi. to the Rayalaseema people who have no I hope, the present Prime Minister would do transportation facilities at present. If the justice to the State by establishing coach people in the area want to go to Bangalore factory at Tirupathi. All the necessary they have to go only by buses which is infrastructure is available there. Raw quite tedius. They have no rail facilities materials necessary for this factory are at the moment. So if this train reaches available. It is the most ideal location for Guntakal at 1 A.M. or at any rate not later a coach factory. I hope and trust that the than 1 A.M. it would enable the passengers Government would waste nor more time in to catch the Bombay-Bangalore mail. That setting up this coach factory. is why, Sir, I am requesting the Hon. Minister for Railways to take a decision Ticketless travellers are a menace to immediately. It also yields a very good the Railways and the Government are losing revenue to the Railway Department. much of their revenue on this account. I am saying tbis on the basis of my own ex- perience. The Railway Officers are to be There is a proposal to convert the held responsible for it. When I was travel- Secuoderabad-Guntakal line into broad ling from Hyderabad, I saw hundreds of gauge. This proposal is pending before the ticketless passengers getting out of the train Government for many years. Nothing has at Mahbubnagar. Checking in the trains is been said or done in this regard so far. too inadequate, If the Railways can control The Southern part of the country continues ticketless travening the Railways would no to be neglected. Now the time has come to more be in the red. I hope the Hon. think about the South. By converting Minister would take steps to check the Secunderbad-Guntakal line into a broad ticketless tra vel1ing. gauge, the distance between various desti- nations can be cut short by hundreds of kilometres. It benefits the passengers going The conduct of the Railway Officers is to Madras and Bangalore. It also helps in also far from satisfactory. Their behaviour the transportation of goods. It will enable the is annoying so much so that they don't care people living in these areas to export their for even the Members of Parliament. If the loods to other regions. Since this line officers do not care even for the Members of 221 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bill SRAVANA 23,1907 (SAKA) Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bfll 222 Parliament one can very well imagine how recently, we had the rail-roko demonstrations they treat the common people. The Hon. in Karnatka, West Bengal as also some- Minister should see to that Railway Staff where else. I would like to know whether treats everyone with courtsy. Sir, once I this enactment will be applicable to that or bappend to go to Hardwar by train along not. Of course, the Hon. Minister may say with my friends. The train was late and that there are some other provisions to deal hence I asked the Station Master to open the with those matters, but the procedure is so reitring rooms that we can rest for a while. lengthy, that the trial goes on for four five But no body turned up to open the retiring years, the railways have to incur expenditure room. Such is the behaviour of our Railway and the accused person is also made to staff. If they cannot care for a Member of suffer. I can tell you from my own bitter Parliament like me, how can they attend to experience that in 1979, the then lanata the needs of ordinary pubJic. It is a serious Government had instituted a case against matter and needs the utmost attention of the me and 21 others, who were my colleagues. Hon. Railway Minister. The case started in 1979 and it was disposed of only in the middle of 1984. For long Sir, before I conclude, I would like to five years we had to suffer and the railways remind the Hon. Minister about the promises were also to incur expenses. I would, -there- made by Shri Venkat Subbiah regarding the fore, urge upon the Minister that after this construction of Nandyal over bridge and the Bill is passed, this and such other types of survey of Nandyal-Yerraguntla line. Many enactments should be enforced very strictly, accidents are taking place in Nandyal daily and such cases must be disposed of by either as there is no over bridge. Money is being the camp courts, or by summary trial, other- spent on various constructions at various wise these enactments will remain only in places. The proposal to construct an over the Statute Book, and we will not be able bridge at Nandyal has been pending before to achieve the desired result, and this type the Government since last 10 years. The of lawlessness will continue. survey was conducted a long back. I hope, it will be taken up without any further loss Only the other day, the Hon. Railway of time. Minister told, and I quote: "The Railways are glvlDg utmost Sir, I conclude thanking you for giving attention to ensure punctual, comfor- the opportunity to speak. table, safe and secure rail travel". [English] How can it be possible? I must congratulate' the Hon. -Minister that he has felt the inner SHRI CHINT AMANI lENA (BaJasore) : feelings of the millions of railway passengers. Mr. Chairman, Sir, I support the Indian The passengers do want to travel with all Railways (Amendment) Bill, 1985. Sir, I sorts of comforts and security, but how can would request you that you may kindly give it be possible, unless these types of lawless- mt some more time so that I may be able to ness activities such as obstructions like deal with some important points concerning frequent alarm chain pulling, obstructing the subject. I will confine my speech within the trains to move in various manners, the purview of the subject and I will not go rail-roko strikes etc. are dealt with very beyond the time given to me. firmly. We all know, that if a train stops even for half a minute, then the train will Sir, in this Bill it is not clear whether the be late by fifteen minutes. It is, therefore, punishment which has been proposed will of utmost importance that incidents like be applied to 'rail-roko' stirs) agitations. cutting of hose-pipes, pu]]ing of alarm chains etc. on railway tracks or not. I would etc. should be stopped immediately. In. request that the Hon. Railway Minister fact, such a Bill should have come n1uch may kindly clarify the points raised by me earlier. while giving reply to the debate. Why am I saying so? As you know, the rail roko How can safe and secure rail travel be demonstration on the railway tracks and possible, if we pull alarm chains so frequen- other such demonstrations is a regu1ar tly according to our sweet win, and we want phenomenon in our day-to-day life. Only to get down at places nearer to our destina- 223 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bill AUGUST 14, 1985 lru/ian Riys. (Amdt.) BiJI 224 tion. And this is resorted to by passengers, replacement of signalling equipment in more who do not have the railway tickets. These than one thousand railway stations. 1 w.QQld people pull the alarm chains according to like to know the action taken and Afcps8 their own sweet will, when they want to set achieved in this direction. A recent c,o_nvc.n,. down near the market or the cinema hall. tion of Railway men. recommended tbe CQJl" Passengers travelling without ticket should stitution of a Safety Cell under the S~ty be dealt with very firmly. Dire~torate to CODcenttate on safety dev;,cci. It is stilI not known as to what is the On the basis of my experience, I can say reaction of the Government on this i'Ssue and that when certain anti -social elements are - what progress has been made. engaged in pulling the alarm cba in, or dis- connecting the hose pipes, neither the other Before concluding, I w.ould like to draw pas~engers, nor the rail way staff intervene. the kind attention of the Hon. Rail~ You know, what happens to them, if the Minister to some suoh instaaces whiell He passengers or the railway staff object to leading to public disl'leasure and ultimately that, they are subjected to assults insults people have to adopt agitative methods, and humiliations. they are assau\ated and when their sma11 and genuine demands are threatened also. So, generally nobody is not fulfilled. In spite of their commitment there to protect either the railway staff or to fu1ful these demands, the Railways are the passengers, and nobody dares to protest failing to do so, and due to this people are against these types of lawlessness. There- forced to take agitative measures. In this fore, I would suggest to the Hon. Railway connection, I would like to draw the' atten- Minister that adequate number of RPF tion of the Hon. Railway Minister to these should be deployed in all the trains. In this minor and very genuine demands like stopp- connection I would also suggest that the age of trains, upgradation of passengef halts, summary trials may be taken up in the construction of level crossings, etc. which trains itself. RPF should be deployed in should be fulfilled. all the trains and in all the coaches. With these words, I once again convey Some of the Hon. ~embers have ex- my whole-hearted support to this Amend- pressed their concern about stringent Jaws, ment Bill. but while sharing their views I would like to submit that in a democratic country like [Translation] ours, people have the right to express their difficulties through agitation, demonstration, SHRI R. S. KHIRHAR (Sitaniarm) : Mr. etc. But that should not be at the cost of Chairman, Sir, I rise to support the Indian national exchequer and a 1so not at the cost Railway (Amendmnet) BiB, 1985. The Bill of millions of passengers who travel by should be made applicable to both Railway trains. employees as wen as the Central travelling public. The Bill provides for stringent punish- Sir, just like some advanced countries, ment to those who commit crimes H1c-e . should we not think of adopting an arrange- disconnecting hosepipes and stopping of ment in which the door of the coach opens running trains. or course such punishment only after paying the actual fare and getting should be there but facilities to the general tbe ticket? This should be looked into travelling public cannot -be overlooked. seriously because it solves the problem of Experience shows that railway commuters t-icketless travelling to a great extent. or the general public disconnect the hose pipes and then stop the trains. Such incidents Instal1ation of safety devices, which is -take place in those areas where there are _ being planned to offset human failure at small stations or in rural areas through which least to some extent, is still to be implemen- the trains-pass. Why does this bappen 'fIt is ted. The railway Ministry should speed up because there is no balance in the operation the work in this direction. When the present of Railways. We will have to bring about a Hon. RaHway Minister- was the Chairman balance in the ra iJway operations. The of the Esitmates Committee, through the Railway runs long distance trains and the reports of the Committee, he drew the super-fast trains but facilities of -local train5 attentio!l of the Parliament to the need for should also be increased so that trains ate 225 Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bill SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Indian Rlys. (Amdl.) Bill 226 not unduly stopped at small stations which sanctioned. Firstly it was scheduled to be causes unnecessary inconverience to th~ completed within 5 years, but already 11, passengers. What I mean to say that this years have passed, still it has not yet been inbalance in the railway operation has in- completed. If it goes on like this, I think it creased in the recent past. For example no will take another J 1 years to complete the train is seen for 8 to 10 hours between work. Only Rs. 4.crores have been allotted Bagha and Darbhanga -a distance of 422 and another Rs. 15 crores are still needed, kms near Indo-Nepal border. The Members to complete the work. I do not know when of Parliament belonging to northern region the Minister is going to allot that amount. I had given a memorandum to the Hon. Rail- am requesting the Hon. Minister, to allot tho way Minister in which they had protested said amount. I t is the only new railway line against the discontinuation of train services to after independence in Andhra Pradesh. I Samastipur and from there upto Mazipur in request the Hon. Mininster kindly to that region. Similarly the operation of consider this request, and give an additional Samastipur-Danapur Express has a]so been amount of Rs. 15 crores during the next year discontinue@. In this way train which used at least. During 1986 .. 87 it should be com· to stop at small stations withdrew this faci- pleted. lity gradually. 'This caused much difficulty to the people of the area. Regarding this the Now about the convers\on of Macber\a- Hon. Railway Minister replied that since road Bibinagar line, from metre gauge into broad facility is there, there is no need for providing gauge, it is a long pending case. Only Rs. 7S railway facility. This is a very strange reply. lakbs have been allotted for it. I would If there is road facility in some region then request the Hon. Minister to allot more funds, it is a very good thing but that does not mean to complete it. This line will reduce the that the region should be deprived of the distan~e between Madras and Hyderabad, railway facility. The incidents of disconnet- and even upto Delhi by 75 kms. ing hose-pipes cannot be checked till this Next is about the circular line around' imbalance persists. While supporting the Bill Hyderabad. Hyderabad is the fifth large~t I would like to urge the Government that city in our country. But the Minister has taking into account the existing facilities at not taken any interest. His predecessor had the small railway stations and the rural ordered for a survey, They had prepared a areas, facilities of more train services should techno-economic feasibility report, and be provided there so that the people there are submitted it to the railway Board. It is pend- relieved of their anxieties and they may not ing with them. They have not taken any resort to disconnecting hosepipes in future. interest. I request the Hon. Minister kindly to consider it. The traffic in Hyderabad is [English] increasing day by day. Presently 30 lakhs of SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY people are there. Four to five lakhs people (Nalgonda) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I welcome are commuting daily. In order to remove this Bill to some extent. But this Bill is not congestion of traffic in Hyderabad. we need covering the entire facts. It should have this circular )ine. Kindly consider this. covered the ticketless passengers as well as the thefts that are taking place in the train. The next is about a line between Raichur Sir, recently, I had travened from Hyderabad and Macherla, Via Devarkonda and Gadwal. to Delhi by A.P. Express. From Jhansi to A survey was done four years back, but no Bhopal many thefts are taking place. In the action has been taken so far. It will connect same train, one lady lost goods worth of two cotton-growing areas. Many friends from Rs. 10,000. I would request the Hon. Karnatak are here in this House. I request Minister to take strict measures from Bhopal- them to raise this issue, irrespective of politi- to Jhansi. I do not know how he is going to cal considerations. This is very important. control the ticketless pac;sengers. People are This line will link two cotton-growing ar~as. coming and going and who is the thief and who is the actual passengers, we are not in a You are now going to have a new textjle position to know. policy. This Hne win reduce the distance between Bombay and Madras. The distance Sir, coming to my own State's problem, from Bombay to the Circas will also be in 1914, the Nadikudi-Bibinagar line was reduced. You must consider this case on a 227 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bill AUGUST ]4, 1985 Indian Rlys. (Amdt~) Bill 228 top priority basis. This line will go mostly running of trains and it is dangerous as well. through drought-prone areas, and through Sometimes it causes major accidents. It is my constituency, viz. NaIgonda. Three to an offence and in order to curb the same four taluks of my constituency will be proposal for enhancing the amount of fine covered. It will a1s0 cover other constituencies from Rs. 500 to Rs. 2,000 and the period of in Karnataka. So, please consider it. imprisonment from one month to six months is appropriate and praiseworthy. Such a In the Miriyalguda area, there are 20 provision should already have been there. cement factories. One line from Jaggyyapeta But I would also like to submit to you that to Miriyalguda will connect these 20 cement more enactment of law or effecting of factories. The owners of these factories have amendment does not serve the purpose represented to me. They have represented to unless the laws or amendments are enforced you also. Kindly take it up. They produce effectively. We often see that ticket less nearly 6,000 tonnes of cement daily. It is travellers board and alight from the trains at very difficult for them to move that cement will by stopping it anywhere they like by to various parts of the country. Many more pulling the chain. There are iaws in this cement factories are coming up there. So, I respect hut we do not pay any attention to request you to consider this request. ascertain how far these laws are being observed. As a result our rules become meaningless. It is necessary to comply Lastly, many Telugu-speaking people are with the rules. living in Delhi. But unfortunately, they do not have any train to go to Coastal Andhra I would like to subnlit hare that the areas direct from here. I request for a link workers and employees working in Ballabgarh from Delhi to Visakhapatnam via Warangal and other industrial towns travel in the and Vijayawada. It will help the people of trains going towards Agra. It has become that area also. Kindly consider this. their daily routine to pull the chain any- where they like and then detrain. Due to I personally request you for a small this, all the trains running in that section favour, i.e. for· the stopping of the' Narsapur are delayed. Attention should also be paid Express at Bibinagar, and of Dakshin Express in this respect. at Bhongir of my constituency. I know that the Railway Minister always talks about resource constraint. But here, since no Secondly, so far as metre gauge trains expenditure is involved, ( req ust him to accept are concerned, the trains running from Jabal- this request. pur to Gondia and from Mandla to Parahia often reach late. I do not know whether I request the Railway Minister to become their time-schedule is such but the trains a resource-mobilization Minister, and mobilize often reach late. A corespondent of .4The more resources and give them for expenditure Hindustan Times" has narrated his experience on the railway lines I have requested for. in Sunday Edition of the newspaper dated Andhra Pradesh is also a part of our country, the 7th July, 1985 under the heading "A though it is ruled by a Telugu Dessam great railway. journey" that he reached Government. It is an integral part of India. Mandla Fort from Chandrapur by train in Kindly do not treat Andhra Pradesh as falling 24 hours, the distance of 400 kms. only. I outside. would, therefore, submit that there is need to improve this situation. With these words, I conclude my speech, and I request the Railway Minister to consi- In OUf region, Nanipur Junction used to de~ my suggestions favourably. Thank you. be the Di\'i~onal Head-quarter before independence but after independence with [Translation] the complicity of officers it was shifted to Nagpur. As a result everything has become SHRI M. L. JHIKRAM (Mandla) : Mr. topsy turvy . On the night of 15th August ,Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the 1984 a serious railway accident took place Indian Railway \Amendment) Bill, 1985 at Charegaon Railway Station on the same introdu~d by the Hon. Railway Minister. section in which two coaches of a train fell As a matter of fact the incidents of removing down as the bridge had heed wasbed away. bosepipes from the trains obstructs the The people of that region placed demaud. 229 Indian RJys. (Arndt.) Bill SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) indian Rlys. (Arndt.) iJili 230 before the then Railway Minister at the the Parliament, the supreme institutions· of accident site itself that Divisional Head- the country. But due to chain pulling or quarter 'should again be shifted to Nanipur removing of the hosepipes the Parliament from Nagpur. At that time he promised to sometimes adjourns and . . .. do the needful. In this connection our Chief Minister had proposed to make Those people who go to join offices fail available 75 acres of land to the central to reach there within the available joining Railways. I would like to submit that time and cannot join the offices due to nOD- attention should be paid towards this local arrival of trains in time. In this way all type problem also. of hurdles are put. There are mainly four kind of people who create such hurdles. The Apart fronl this I would like to submit first one are those people whose intention is that the Central Government had constituted to commit dacoity. They climb the roofs an Uneconomic Branch Line Committee of the coaches aT"ld when they like, they stop earlier to convert railway line from Jabalpur the train by removing hosepipes. The second to Godia. It had submitted its report before one are ticketless travellers who stop the the Railway Board after conducting survey train by removing the hosepipe before the but no action has so far been taken on that train reaches the station and then detrain. report. It is still pending with them. I would Sometimes the students also indulge in like to request the Hon. Railway Minister such activities. In the fourth category are that attention Should be paid in this respect the railway employees who do such things and that this railway line converted into for their personal ends. They indulge in broad gauge line because that is a hilly such activities to get their demands conceded region and this has been the demand of the and acquire more facilities for thenlselves. people for quite a long time. Sir, I may kindly be allowed a little time more because I would like to put forward I would also like to express my thanks to some suggestions in brief. The Railways are you for giving me an opportunity to speak. very useful for the development of all areas. So Railways must adhere to punctuality. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI Regarding those persons who stop the train (Khalilabad) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to before the scheduled stoppage by removing support the Indian Railway (Amendment) hosepipes etc. I would like to give these Bill, 1985. As a rule the entire Railway Act suggestions- of 1890 should have been reviewed. There is need to review it. But it will be out of (a) Often passengers traveling on the context to deal on it, so I would concentrate roofs of the train coach get down through myself on the amendment only. the stairs attached behind the coaches and take position on the buffer head of the I have nO hesitation to say that Railway hosepipes and then disconnect the hosepipes. occupy an important place in our life. It So there should be strict restriction on not only carries passengers or goods from one tra veIling on the roofs and there must be place to another but also has a great contri- provision of punishment for it. bution in the development of the country. Unfortunately in the recent years undue (b) The Police force and the railway delay has been caused in the functioning of employees should be deployed in sufficient Railways by chain-pulling or removing the strength to apprehend such elements. hosepipes. Sir, Railways are a very impor- tant means of transport from one place to (c) Sometimes due to the sudden removal another. The sick people travel in by trains of hosepipes the Vacuum-combination cham- to reach All India Institute of Medical ber gets blasted as a result of which brakes Sciences or oth~r hospitals or some other jam the wheels for long period. As a result, places. The students travel by trains to reach the train is delayed for many hours and it their schools and colleges. The candidates cannot move unless another engine is brought for various posts travel by trains to reach and a'ttached. in time to appear in interviews or tests. I have no hesitation in saying that our, Members (d) Only law is not sufficient to prevent of Parliament also travel by trains to attend the removal of hose-pipes. There should 231 Indian Rlys. (Amdl.) Bill AUG UST 14, 1985 Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bill 232 also be some provision in the system by Officer. There are Taluka offices, Panchayat which it would not be possible to disconnect Union Offices and a number of high schools, bosepipes easily. One end of the hosepipcs higher secondary schools and a college. It should be closed inside with the help of is a business centre. The business people nickel thread and male female ends of hose - have to travel from that place to other pipes should be fastened to each other with places. So, I request the Minister that at nut and bolts and other two plane ends least J0 berths should be set apart for that should be tightly fitted with the vacuum town. pipes with the help of clips. After this 'improvement, the hosepipes cannot be There is an acute shortage of drinking -remo.ved easily. For this the manufacturer water for the people of Dindigul. The State will 'have to make modification in the design Government has attempted to bring artificial ,of this item. rains, but it has become a failure. AU the water resources have already got dried up. (e) In case of air brake system the About 40 bore-wells have been sunk but possibility of removal of hosepipes can be tbere is no sufficient water supply. So, the avoided by installing flexible metallic airpipes people there are suffering like anything. The 'for linking up one coach with another. State Government h~s requested the Hon. Sir, I support this Bill and I would like to Minister for Railways for a provision of train facility to take water from Trichy to -add that the amount of penalty is meagt e and there is need to enhance the period of Madurai. So, I request the Hon. Minister imprisopment. Sometimes the culprits go scot to provide sufficient wagons to carry water free for want of eye witnesses. So some provi- from Trichy to Dindigul. sion should also be made in the law by which this delay which iii caused unnecessarily may [Translation] be avoided. I have submitted my suggestions SHRIMA TI MANORAMA SINGH 'to the Hon. Minister. I hope he will consider (Banka) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to sup- these suggstions and make some provision port the Railway's (Amendment) Bill pro- . 'by which it will be impossible to disconnect viding for enhancement of punishment and the hosepipes. fine. lEl1glish] Common complaints are being received SHRI K. R. NATARAJAN (Dindigul) : for a long period that it has become very On behalf of AIADMK I support the Bill difficult for the people to travel by trains. which seeks enhancement of punishment for Our railway system is becoming very defec- ,obstructing running of trains. Along with tive. According to me, one' of the reasons this, I would like to speak a few words on for this is that fast trains have been provided the Railways. more stoppages. Students make most of the mischiefs in the trains and they travel with- Karur to Dindigul broad-gauge line is out tickets. Some railway employees and making a very slow progress. It has to be police personnel are also involved. The speeded up by providing more funds. At police personnel claim their monopoly on least Rs. 15 crores has to be allotted for this railways. They think that there is no body purpose. to check them. They do not care for anybody. They travel in any compartment whether it An overbridge has to be constructed oVer is a first class or air-conditioned coach. They the railway line in Dind igul town. I t is a are responsible for all the disorder prevailing must for the people there. in trains. The Pandiyao Express stops at Shola- Trains pass through certain Joca1ities vandan when it runs from Madras to where a school or college is located. The Madurai, but it does not St0P there when it students, who do not get admision any where comes from Madurai to Madras. The enroll themselves in these schools or colleges train should be stopped there in order to and they undertake train journey for the sake cater to the needs of the people in and of fun and frolic. They travel in trains with- around Sholavandan. out any fear and get down from the trains by Usilampatty is an important place. I t is ' pulling the alarm chain. I suggest that the the headquarter of Revenue Divisional people of the village, near which such inci- 233 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bill SRA VANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bill 234 dents take plaee, should also be penalised. No body adheres to the legal provision :Fhe office-bearers of the school, to which meant for pulling the alarm chain. Those, these 'students belong, should also be held who indulge in such activities, are not award- responsible for this and penalized. Only then ed any punishment. That is why law has this evil can be put to an end. become meaningless today. I t causes late I would like to say a few word about running of trains also. Arrangements will ticket checking. Some of tbe railway emp- have to be made in this regard as well. loyees are indulging in malpractices and are It is commendable that there is safety, encouraging ticketless travel in the hope of security and punctuality in Jodhpur Division ,getting some illegal money. People reach of Northern Railway. That is why no acci- Patna from Bhagalpur in Bihar and from dent has taken place there. there they reach Delhi after paying Rs. 25 only. The law enacted by you is not fully Ours is a desert area. Barmer-Jaisalmer implemented. Will you please tell me the area is a very backward. No provision number of persons awarded punishment in is being made for constructing new lines such cases. No cheking staff comes for check- there. The Central Government have not ing the ticketless travellers in trains. While taken a step further in the direction of coming from Bhagalpur to Patna, I saw that augmenting the number of those railway lines , students boarded the train and no checking which were constructed by Maharajas of statT came throughout the journey. I would Jodhpur. I have been constantly demanding like to suggest that ~trict action should be that a railway track from Pathankot to taken. Only then improvement can be bro- Kandla should be constructed. Rail line from ught about and welfare of people can be Pathankot to Bikaner has already been con- ensured. The proposed punishment in the structed. It exists from Bikaner to Kolayat . BiH should be further enhanced. also. Faloode is situated 11 kms away from Kolayal. If this railway line is constructed, With these words I express my thanks to Jaisalmer can be directly linked with Delhi. you for giving me an opportunity to speak. Priority should be accorded to laying of SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN (Bar- railaway line from laisalmer to Barmer. mer): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to support Rajasthan canal has reached tbis desert area the Indian Railways (Amendment) Bill, 1985 and there is possibility of finding new deposits introduced in this House. Many amendments of petrol,diesel and gas there. Construction of have, however, been made in the Indian Rail- this line can help in the development of this ways Act, but certain more amendments are area. Triweekly train between Jodhpur and required to be made in it. I am of the view Ahmedabad and from Jodhpur to Delhi that all the necessary amendments required should be run on all the days of the week. to be made should be brought together so that time of the Lok Sabha is not taken Jaisalmer is very important place from unnecesarily, because even a single amend- tourist point of view. So, a direct rail link ment takes a lot of time of the House. should be provided between Jaisalmer and Delhi. If the rail line constructed upto Jodh- I also support the provision made to stop pur is extended upto Jaisalmer, it can serve people from disconnecting the hosepipes. A the purpose. I request that the suggestions friend has mentioned that the hosepipe can be given by me may be looked into. disconnected very ea~ily. I would like to say this matter may be e"(amined in a scientific 16.00 hrs. way and experts should be consulted and some such permanent mechanism should be [English) evolved so that hosepipes cannot be discon- SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY neeted. (Midnapore) : The aim of this Bill is very People who travel on the roofs of Rail- limited. It is regarding providing punish- way compartments do so out of pleasure. I ment for chain-pulling and disconnection of have seen that they travel on the roofs of hose-pipes and where fine was Rs. SOO/-it railway compartments despite the fact that has been proposed that the fine wold be there is plenty of space in the compartments. increased to Rs.2,000/-. And for dis- A penal provision sbould be made in this connection of hose-pipe along with fine of regard because travelling on the roofs of the Rs. SOO and imprisonment of six months will compartments causes more accidents. be imposed. 235 Indian RIYJ. (Amdt.) Bill AUGUST 14, 19~5 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bill 236 The aim is for smooth running of trains. Railway Administration is renewal of tracks. But then I would like to put one question to At least 32,000 kilometres of Railway tracks the Hon. Minister. There had been some are required to be renewed. rules for punishment and fine of Rs. 500 had Then there are defective locos. Steam been there and is still there, then how many locos are coming down. But' you are not persons have as yet been fined and how bringing in enough diesel locos and electric many persons have as yet been put behind locos. So, the gap is growing. Since you bars? That is what I want to know. have decided not to produce any more steam I submit that whenever any difficulty locos, you have stopped producing spare arose and when the railway staff go and parts. You have no spare parts to repair check these things, they are assaulted, the steam locos. You are taking beaten and harassed. Most of the big advantage of such locos which face accidents. officers pass orders from the distance and You take away those spare parts and use the poor TTE has to face the consequences. them in other locos. This is what is happen- This difficulty has to be dealt with firmly by ing. So long as you cannot completely the Administration and some deterrent dieselise and bring electric locos, you should punishment has to be given for those who continue to produce spare parts for the steam violate rules. locos. Sir, there are defective rakes; the railways 10.02 hrs. are facing shortage of rakes and bogies. There are defective signals. There are [SHRI SHARAD DIGHE in the chair] inadequate supplies of raw materials and also I mention one more thing. Between equipments. In every loco shed you will Kharagpur and Howrah, 160 kilometres in find that there are no spare parts available. East Coast, 46 Down and 45 Up daily chain You did not give them proper equipments. pulling is going on and the DRM and other So, the quality of repair job has come down. officers are always silent. This should be looked into. I want to bring one more thing to the Lastly I wish to say something about attention of the Hon. Minister that the shortage of staff. You have introduced ban smooth running of trains has been facing a on recruitment. Therefore you cannot constant problem not so much from chain recruit a single man. Every month and pulling alone, but n1uch more than that from every year people aTe retiring from jobs; the frequent accidents also. There have people are dying; but you are not recruiting been 37 major accidents in the last seven peopl'! in their places. months this year and derailments are Are you applying the Maflin formula for innumerable. Perhaps the Railway Minister gangmen in the Engineering Departmeat? does not know how many derailments have Mafiin formula directs that for one kilometre taken place. Only on 6-8-1985 Kanchanunga of railway track you require so much of Express near Burdwan has met with an gangmen. Are you having the same number '1 accident. On 14-6·1985-it has not come I am sure you are not having it. All these in the Press -Down Rajdhani Express would accidents are happening because of tbis. So, have had a fatal accident near Aligarh. this should be looked into. These things are Axle of one bogie had got broken and the essential for the removal of constraints in entire train had to wait near Aligarh for six regard to the smooth running of the trains. hours. Whenever we ask the Railway Minister Such has become the situation that to do something he always says, he has no perhaps no person will get into the trains funds. Last year Railways were allotted after some time without having his name Rs 1650 crores. This year it is the same registered with the Life Insurance Corpora- amount which is given. Every year the same tion. I would suggest that you kindly talk anlOunt is sanctioned to the Railways. Sir, with the Finance Minister and open a new there is a story. A Brahmin used to collect scheme-Railway Travelling Insurance one kilogram of rice every time if he begged Scheme -and open its offices at Delhi, in one village. He used to collect the same Calcutta, Bombay and other places. Govern- amount if he begged in seven villages! In ment will get funds and the people will also the same way Railway has got Rs. 1650 be saved. crores last year and Rs.1650 crores this year. The major constraint which is facing the In the meantime due to inflation prices have 237 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bill" SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bill 238 gone up. The real physical amount which with me. Railways are essential for every Railway receives is much less compared to type of development. The cancellation of last year. Railways require more funds for trains there is causing resentment among the their .. activities. How can you run people. All the Members of Parliament from Railways in this fashion ? Either you say you North Bihar had jointly submitted a memo- cannot run or you go to the Planning ~andum to the Hon. Railway Minister, but it Commission and ask for money, otherwise IS not known what action is being taken on you cannot run the railway. If you so like it by the Railway Board. The memorandum we will all go along with you before the goes up to the level of C.M. and D.C.1\1. Planning Commission -and off er dharna in and a report is prepared while setting in front of Yojana Bhavan for getting fund for office saying that there is no need to run the Railways. I hope you will accompany trains there as bus service is available there. us in this venture. Otherwise mere talk of When Shri Bansi Lal took over as Railway smooth running of trains will be only Minister, a ray of hope had arisen among the meaningless. Smooth running of trains cannot people that in their State also, railway deve- be tackled only by tackling chain pulling or lopment works would be undertaken and checking, cutting of hosepipes and so on. bureaucracy would be put to an end. But it You have to get more funds to carryon the has not been put to an end. I request the activities of the Railways. With these words Hon. Minister to pay attention towards it. I conclude. Thank you. In order to undertake railway develop- [Translation) ment work in North Bihar and to remove its backwardness, all the Railway Ministers had SHRI RAM BHAGAT PASWAN expressed their sympathy, but no step has (Rosera): Mr. Chairman, Sir, 1 rise to been taken in this regard. The proposal for support the Indian Railways (Amendment) converting Samastipur-Darbhanga metre Bill introduced by the Hon. Railway Minister. Guage line into broad guage line has been Sir, when people make rail travel painful, under consideration for several years. Due they commit serious crime. I would like to to non-conversion of this line Government express my thanks to the Hon. Minister for has to spend Rs. 50,000 daily on transporta- the steps taken by him to remedy the situa- tion of goods. If this Jine is converted into tion. Besides, I would like to submit that it broad guage, Government can save this is not necessary that rail travel will become amount. In his last speech the Hon. Railway confortable by merely checking disconnecting Minister late Shri Lalit Narain Mishra had of the hosepipes or putting an end to chain- given an assurance regarding conversion of pulling menace. Such a law was already there this line into broad guage. After some days, buCit is possible that this amendment may work did commence but unfortunately have some very good effect and ensure during the Janta Party rule the raw material passengers amenities. meant for this purpose was sent somewhere Sir, from the point of view of trade, else. Government spent Rs. 69 lakhs in the ind ustry and transport, Railways form the form of T,A./D.A. for conducting a survey basis of economic development. It is also of this line. Similarly, survey for construction the policy of Government that in order to of Sakari -Hasanpur line has already been remove regional imbalance, development completed and an amount of Rs. 90 lakhs works should be undertaken in undeveloped has been paid to railway officers in the form areas. No railway development work has of T.A./D.A. This work was started when taken place in North Bihar after Inde- Shri Kedar Pan de and Shri Lalit Babu were pendence. Fast trains and Super Fast trains the Railway Ministers. Later on it was said have been introduced to link one city with that due to paucity of funds this work has the other, but it is a matter of regret that the been suspended. Government schemes meet number of trains linking a city with the such a fate! There is an acute shortage of villages has decreased instead of increasing. power in North Bihar. There is complete So far as North Bihar is concerned, 14 pairs darkness on railway stations. I request the of trains have been cancelled recently. When Hon. Minister to solve the problem to some asked about the reason therefor it was stated extent by providing emergency lights on - the that since bus service is available there, stations. running of trains is not necessarry. I have got the reply of the Hon. Railway Minister With these words I conclude. 239 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bill AUGUST 14, 1985 Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bill 240 (English] as roof top travel also contribute to the SHRI VIJA Y N. PATIL (Erandol) : If incidence of rise in the cases of hose pipe you go on ringing the bell, I am afraid I will disconnection. It is very easy to disconnect not be able to make my speech ... (Interrup- hose pipe when a person is travel1ing or-roof tions). top. I would request the Minister to include this illegal travel also in t~ category of Sir, I rise to support the Indian Railways crime and a similar punishment be given to (Amendment) Bill. these offenders. Sir, this problem will not be solved The Railway Reforms Committee bas completely by amending the Act alone. It is already suggested change of doors' position because, you take the eXl\mple of chain from side to the centre in II Class compart- pUlling. We have seen that 98% cases of ments. Change of schedules of railway chain pulling is ~ithout reasonable cause timings in different sections also make the and even then it goes without punishment. persons to pull the chain. Some passe~r From 1982 figures, we find that about trains were suspended by the railways,. with 2,50,000 cases were reported but 98% were the results the vil1agers who go to those without reasonable cause. And the punish- villages pun the chain and get down there. ment was accorded only to 749 people. So, For example, the passenger train in Busal even if you change the law, enhance the Manmad section has been stopped. I would punishment you cannot ~top this evil unless request the Hon. Railway Minister to social environment is changed and some other reconsider the case and start the train again. efforts are made. Modern means should be adopted while Sir, the powers vested in the magistrate catching the criminals. Mrs. Manorama differ from State to State. In Uttar Pradesh, Singh and some other MPs have suggested the magistrate has the judicial power but imposition of group fines. At particular does not have the executive power in dealing places, people get down in group. For with crime cases. In South India, in some example, photograph should be taken at States, retired magistrates are employed. that moment so that evidence will be avail- So, I will suggest to the Minister that for able. The police force should be equipped implementing this Act and for. reducing the with that kind of instruments. The ticket menace of hose pipe disconnection, chain checking inspectors should also be given pulling etc., the judicial machinery of the adequate incentives so . that they can catch Railways should also be strengthened. We the culprits. find that there is organised resistance when- ever there are checks about chain pulling or Lastly, we should look at this problom "hose pipe disconnection. For that also, we of crime on railways from other perspective should have a separate machinery. The also. How many man hours are lost because informers should be awarded suitably and of the delays in trains? If we take the case their names should be kept secret. Some of UP alone, more than 10,000 man hours amount should be kept at the disposal of are lost because of the detention of trains the Commercial Superintendent so that they by chain pulling or by disconnection. If we can award the informers suitably. see the speed and the capacity of the train, about Rs. 10 craTes loss is there in one State The other thing which we have noticed alone. If we calculate, the railways may be is that the incidence of crime, in some States getting huge losses of more than Rs. tOO is more as compared to other States. you If crores because of disconnections and ch~in . take the figures of Uttar Pradesh, there are pullings. This is a very serious case. Public 79,000 cases in 1982 : in Bihar 41,000 cases suffer from it. and in Madhya Pradesh, 35,000 cases, out of the total of 2,43,696. That is why, the amendment brought is well in time and I support the amendment. Out of 90,000 cases of hose pipe dis- conorction, 41,000 cases were in Uttar [Trans/ation] Pradesh alone. About 20,000 cases were in Bihar and 15,000 cases in Madhya Pradesh. SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): There are some strategic vulnerable sections. Sir, I would not complain that the Railway In the Northeast area also, these things take Minister or the Railway Ministry has given place in lar~e number. Other factors such any step-motherly treatment in the matter 241 Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bill SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Btll 242 of construction of Dew railway lines in Uttar of mischievous elements. The cities are Pradesh as this Bill has a very limited congested and overcrowded. objective. By bringing forward this Bill in PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: This the Hoqse, you have made your intentions is the work of the Opposition ! clear that crimes do take place in the Railways and the same are to be firmly SHRI N. V. N. SOMU: The job-seekers controlled. At the same time, I would also come from the suburban areas ... (Interrup- like to submit that by merely increasing the tions). Similarly, the employees and students term of punishment or by increasing the commute between their homes is suburban amount of fine, the crimes in the Railways centres and their places of work in metro- are not going to come down. One of my politan cities. The trains are not stopping friends was saying that there are some areas at places which are convenient for such where the rate of crime is very high. The passengers. This issue has to be looked best reflection of the variety of crimes which into by the Railways very deeply. By are committed in our society, I think, can merely enhancing the punishment, this be seen in the Railways. Rai1ways have a problem is not going to be tackled. Already very large area of operation. It is difficult in the Criminal Law Amendment Act, section to control these crimes with the meagre 7 (1) (a) is there to tackle all these offences. amount of funds which we spent on safety I wonder why the Railway Minister has measures. Due to constraints on resources f not taken this opportunity to enhance and a very little amount of money is spent on provide for a deterrent punishment to the the Railway Protection Force. J would like encroachers of railway lands which are to mention that the crimes in the States like spread over 60,000 kms of railway line. Uttar Pradesh, Bjhar. Bengal, etc. are increls- The Zonal RaiJways have brought to the jng and the people feel that their life and notice of the Railway Board 82,000 cases of property is becoming increasingly insecure. encroachment of railway \ands. Out of Special attention needs to be paid in this these, 15,000 cases have been taken Ul' ror regard. You should strengthen the Railway . eviction under the Public Premises (Eviction Protection Force and proper arrangement of Unauthorised Occupants) Act of 1971. should be made for the maintenance of When is the Railway Board going to institute signals and other equipments. Corrupt eviction proceedings in respect of the remain- Railway officials commit crimes in connivance ing 67,000 cases of encroachment a1so? with the traders and other people. Strin- I want the Hon. Minister to be specific in gent steps should be taken to check it. his reply to the debate. Your intention is good and your goal of bringing th:e situation under control can be Besides encroachments, large tracts of achieved. railway land have been leased out to the brigwigs and industrial tycoons. In the With these words, I support this Bill. heart of New Delhi, in Connaught Place [English] near Super Bazar, 2,700 sq. yards of railway land had been leased out for ten years from SHRI N. V. N. SOMU (Madras North) : 1963 to 1972 to an industrialist. He has Sir, I am thankful for having given me this not only not paid the lease money for ten opportunity to express my views on behalf years but till today he has also not vacat~d of the DMK Party. The principal cause of that place. He has become a billionaire at obstructing of running trains is that the the cost of Railw·ays. Where is the need trains do not stop at convenient places to for continuing such leases? Why should commuters. It may not be possible to halt not the Railways wake up in time to get the trains at all such places. But, at the such people evicted as soon as the lease same time. t1}e railways should make an period is over? Here some drastic initiative attempt to reschedule the halts of Express is required from the Railways. and Mail trains After all, railways are a public utility service. When the Railway PROF. MADHU' DANDAVATE: Are you referring to Coca-Co1a ? Minister pleads the paucity of funds for not running the required number of trains, he SHRI N. V. N. SOMU: It has been should ponder over the problems of passen- mentioned in the Public Accounts Com- gers also. All the chain pulling and hose mittee's Report also. pipe disconnections are .oot tbe handiwork As the proposed amendment deals with 243 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.J Bill AUGUST 14, 1985 - Indian R/ys. (Amdt.) Bill 244 railways workers, I want to bring to the charge double fare from anyone at will and notice of the Hon. Minister the plight of allow any load of luggage free of charge the railway employees. Thousands of irrespective of its being beyond the limit. No workers are coming from Arakonam to change in their attitude worth the name has Perambur Workshop-to the lCF, Carriage been seen during the last one or two years. Works. Locoworks, etc. But they are given You have not put any restriction on them. railway free passes only from Tiruvellur to While drawing your attention to it, I would Perambur. For travel between Arakonam say that raids should be conducted on such and Tiruvellur the poor workers have to pay gangs and a separate method should be money and purcha~e ticket~. 1. do not know adopted to check it. The traditional methods why tbe Ra\\wa~cs ate \mpo~\ng such oai\y which our Governnlent adopts to apprehend penalties on their workers who ate com\ng them all not going to belp to track them to the",: 'IoNotkcs\\o\)s {tom the\! \\o\l~e~. 1 down. You cannot succeed as long as you request the Hon. Minister to consider this do not evolve a new method. Till then such and do the needful. incidents would continue to happn which is a blot on our Railway Administration. [Trans/ation] There is rampant corruption in railway reservation and should anyone happen to SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL (Kota): complain against it, he is made to suffer Mr. Chairman, Sir, through you, I welcome worse than the culprit himself. First of all, and support the Indian Railway (Amendment) the complaint has to take scores of sounds Bill, 1985 which has been brought forward of different offices and officers, whereas the by the Hon. Railway Minister with the person against whom the complaint has been specific objective of bringing about some lodged goes himself scot free by taking improvement in the Railway law and to make advantage of long legal process or througJ-t a the Railway Rules and laws more stingent. recommendation in his favour or by giving Tbrough you, I want to submit to the Hon. bribe. This is one of the reasons that good Railway Minister that a number of shnilar laws people do not like to make a complaint and had been enacted in the past also. As my hence, your complaint books remain empty. friend Shri Choubey has just now said that Therefore, Mr. Chairman, Sir, 1 would ther~ is already a provision for a fine upto Rs. 500/-, but on how many persons this fine was like to submit to the Hon. Railway Minister, imposed? Why a need for enhancing it has through you, that the _Act which you are been felt today? The Hon. Minister thinks going to amend was enacted in as back as that it has becon1e necessary to enhance it; we 1890. 1t does not need one or two amend- We shaH support you if you Ieplace also support it. It should be seen that how ments. altogether with new act. You must pay far the laws and orders which already exist it a and the legislations which have been enacted special attention to the Railway Administra- by this Parliament are being observed? Two tion which has a vast scope for basic changes. Fresh thoughts should be given, particularly, or three months back 30-40 people were killed. because they were travelling on the in the matters like reservation, punctuality roof·top of the train. Thereafter, you issued of trains and cleanliners in the trains. orders that nobody would be allowed to The railway officials are deliberately travel on the roof-top of the trains, but we causing loss to the Railways in coJJusion see daiJy that 50 to 200 passengers travel on with the criminals. ] come from Kola and I the roof-tops of each train. If your orders daily see that packets of food stuff are are not complied with if your rules are not tampered with at the office of D.R.M. I observed, then it is a very serious matter have a personal experience. My brother living which needs to be given attention. in Bombay has been sending cases of many for the last 15 years, but by the time the I do not think there has been any d~cline consignment reaches Kota, the cases are during the last one or two years in the never full. After having made repeated com- rampant corruption which we see in the plaints. 1 am really fed ·up. About 2 to 4 kgs. Railways, bl!cause even today the T.es. are l~ft in the case which I carry borne. I behave in the same old fashion. In every have to be content with that. Besides, there Division, their 5 to 6 gangs operate. Thi.:Y is a huge pilfe-rage in all types of parcel con- allow free travel tQ whosoever they wish, they tainins food-stuff. If you complaint against 245 Indian R/ys. (Amdt.) Bill SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Indian Rlys. (Amdl.) Bill 246 it, the clerks take out knives and say that jf he should order halting of Kovai Express at you darec;l to make a complaint you would be least for 2 minutes at Arakkonam junction. knifed. Therefore, there is an urgent need to He should also extend reservation facility improve the situation. at Arakkonam for 20 seats in this train-tO / seats for Coimbatore and 10 for Madras. This Responsibility should be . fined in this will considerably reduce the chain pulling in connection. Now I would like to corne to this section. the point and speak about the development of Railways. In my constituency, there is a I have repeatedJy requested tbe GeneraJ dire need of railway Jines to some towns. Manager of Southern Railways that he should Kota-Chittor railway line should be completed try to come to the help of commuters in in time. A coach factory should be set up certain issues. He never takes any favourable at Kota. A survey should be conducted for decision. If I insist on his taking decisions, laying a railway line connecting Kota with he retorts by saying that if the Railway Madhya Pradesh via Gwalior. Besides, there Minister issues directives he will implement is a long outstanding demand for introducing them. We have electric traction between a new train between Kota and Delhi. There Katpadi and Arakkonam. The Hon. Railway is such a great rush on this line that if you Minister will not refute if I say that the train happen to visit Kota I can show you that on this route should be of real help to the thousands of passengers go back disappointed people of this section. The Railways may when told by the officials - ot your Depart- not have electric coaches to run the ment that no reservation was available. electric train in this route. But, the train Therefore, a new train service should be can be run with an electric engine. This introd uced between Kota and Delhi. I thank section is a bee-hive of industrial activi- you' for giving me an opportunity to speak. ties. In Ranipettai on this route we have the biggest industrial estate. This area is a bee- *SHRI R. JEEVARATHINAM (Arakko- hive of industrial activities. The trains should nam) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, in support of the be of help to the businessmen, traders; the indian Railways (Amendment) Bill, I wish to Central and the State Government employees say a few words. and the industrial workers of this area. Two I welcome the enhancement of punish- trains at 6.30 AM and at 8.30 AM from ment being awarded to the miscreants who Arakkonam to Katpadi should be run,. simi- indulge in chain pulling and in disconnecting larly from Katpadi two trains at 5.30 AM hose-pipes. There are reasons also for the and at 7.30 AM should bc run to help tbe people resorting to chain pulling. I would movement of goods and passenger traffic in enumerate a few of them so that the Hon. this area. Minister can initiate appropriate steps to Similarly, there is electric traction bet- elimina te these causes also. ween Tiruthani and Arakkonam. Tiruthani is For example, Arakkonam is a very im- the most famous and holy place in Tamil portant junction on Southern Railways. Not Nadu attracting lakhs and lakhs of. people. I even a single Express train passing through want that electric trains should be run Arakkonam stops at this junction. There are between Tiruthani and Arakkonam. In fact, I any number of Express trains going from demand that this electric train from Tiruth- Madras to Coimbatore. The people who have ani to Arakkonam should be extended to business in Arakkonam are compelled to Madras also. Similarly, the trains which resort to chain pulling if they are to get start from Katpadi to Arakkonam should down at Arakkonam. Many times I ha ve also be extended to Madras. The Railways orally and in writing conveyed to the Gene- have spent crores and crores of rupees in ral Manager of Southern Railways to ensure having electric traction on this section. halting of at least one Express train at This traction is not being used profita- Arakkonam. But no positive action bas been bly. taken so far in this matter. I have also wri- tten to the Hon. Railway Minister about this. Tiruthani forms part of the parliamentary I appeal to the Hon. Railway Minister that constituency of Mrs. Maragatham Chandra Sekhar, our Hon. Minister of State for Social *The speech was originally delivered in Welfare. If this train is run between Tiru- Tamil. thani and Arakkonam, my constituency and 241 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bill AUGUST 14, 1985 Indian RJys. (Amdt.) Bill 248 the constituency of Mrs. Maragatham Chan- Kovai Express at Arakkonam for 2 minutes drasekhar would be connected. I am making with reservation facility for 20 seats at this request on her behalf also. I request the Arkkonam junction. With these words, I con- 'Hon. Minister of Railway to look into clude my speech. ,this and do the needful immediately. He should pass orders to the General Manager SHRI ABDUL HANNAN ANSARI of Southern Railways immediately; other- (Madhubani) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to wise he will not on his own take a decision support the Railway (Amendment) Bill in this regard. moved by the Hon. Minister. But, the question is that the crime for which we Year after year the passenger fares and propose to enhance the team of punish- 'the freight rates are increased. At the same ment, is not going to be checked merely time, the passenger amenities are not augmen- through enforcing this law. With a view to ted at the same rate. Even for small matters achieving this objective, it is necessary to we have to approach the Railway Minister. change the environment also. The Zonal Railway Managers do not care to implement even small suggestions made by The name of Bihar has been particularly public representatives like the M .Ps. For mentioned in the House in this regard everything they depend upon the decision saying that the people resort to large scale of the Railway Board. This in fact is an chain pulling there. What are the reasons insult to the elected representatives of the behind this, we should also ponder over people. Even in matters like the stopping of them. Many of our Hon. Members have Kovai Express for two n1inutes at Arakko- said that it is the student community which nam junction, the General Managers seek the resorts to chain pulling mostly. What js Railway Board's intervention. I urge upon the reason for it ? We must go into it deeply. the Railway Minister to decentralise powers Some of the school and college are located and ensure that the suggestions made by in such rural areas where there are no . public ' representatives like the M.Ps. are railway station and there are no other, given proper attention by the Zonal Railway means of transport. What can such students Manager. do ? They are also helpless. My suggestion is that a halt should be provided at such • Even 10 per cent of the Railway emplo- place where a.large number of students come yees have not got housing facilities. There for education, their difficulties should are innumerable encroachments of Railway also be kept in view. Subdueing them merly lands all over the country. These encroach- through punisnment would not help. ments should be evicted and this land should be given on lease to Railway employees so For all these things, our HOD. Members -, that they can have houses on such lands. have also said that the strength of the Instead of leasing out Railway lands to Railway Protection Force should be increased. industrialists and affluent sections of the I may be excused, but I cannot help saying society, such lands should be ear-marked for that these Prptection Force personnel pilfer . housing facilities of Railway employees. the goods of the people at loading and unloading points. How do you hope that On the long-distance trains like G. T., such a force would implement the law Tamil Nadu Express trains, the system of properly ? I do not think it would be proper Reservation against cancellation is proving a to name such place, our Hon. Minister nuisance to the people who travel with reser- should find out the areas from which goods vation tickets. The RAe ticket holders get w0rth crores of rupees are made off within a into the train and occupy the reserved sealS. single year and the looty is shared by the There are also complaint of malpractices in different persons. The most important thing the allotment of berths to RAe ticket holders. is to open railway stations where this When they do not get seats, these RAC facility does not exist at persent and at the ticket holders also resort to chain pulling. I sume time, with a view to solving the want this system of RAe should be re-exa- difficulties being faced by the students, mined by the Railway Board. I request the some halts should be provided so as to Hon. Railway Mil1ister to order the halt of check such crimes in future. 249 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bill SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bill 250 Today, the condition of the trains in whether it is the General Manager or any- North Bihar is too di stressing to be men- one else. I boarded this train at Chapra tioned~ In the first place, the train have station and I had a confirmed reservation, only 4 to 5 coaches and then the engines but when I asked for it, I was told by tbe attached to these trains are very old. It T.T. that as the G.M. was travelling in stops midway; the stock of coal exhausts; that train I could get a berth only at the parts are also worn out and cannot pull Gorakhpur. the load. The train gets over-crowded. H¥dly 2 to 3 trains run. You can just Sin1ilarly, anyone travelling by AC 2- imagine the severity of the problem. Tier from Siwan, Deoria or Chapra has to go alIt he way standing upto Gorakhpur. We are the representative of the people, What can a helpless T.T., who is a low paid we are thinking in terms of punish ing them employee do against the General Manager. but a t the same time we should a Iso pay The laws that are passed by this House attention towards solving their difficulties should be effective1y implemented and those so as to provide them reI ief. I would persons who get their berth reserved must request the Hon. Member to pay special get the berth. When I raised the question of attention to al1 these aspects. The law does awarding contracts for booking tickets in not solve all the problems. Instead, we certain stations, I was distressed to note that should also see to the difficulties of the the private contractors too, have to bear people as well. loss. I had heard till now that whenever there is loss tbe Government bear it but one wonders whether a private party which With these words, I support this Bill works on contrad basis would bear the loss. and hope that our Hon. Minister would I would like to cite an example of a family pay attention to these difficu1tjes also. which has been getting the contract conti- nuously for the past 10 years at the Sipaha SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY halt station in the Gopalaganj parliamentry (Gopalganj): Mr. Chairman Sir, being an constituency and even then there is talk of !ndependent Member, I support the Railway discGntinuing the contract . T jIJ the contract (Amendment) Bill introduced by the Hon. basis on which these stations are Minister of Railways with all impartiality. being run is changed these stations will Railways is the most important link in the remain to be dens of malpracice and corrup- country _ The removal of hose-pipes from tion. 1 would ljke 10 cite another example. At trains and chain-pulling is certainly a crime. the halt stations, the private contractor issues Laws are enacted by this House but when ticket without date and sells to anyone who the officials are asked to implement them, wishes to travel at half fare. When the every one of them thinks of swindling passenger completes his journey, he returns money_ It is well said by some one: that ticket to the contractor. This way by indulging in malpractices the daily sales at "Pehli Seekh yah; jivan ki, apne ko these stations is deliberately reduced. I have aabad karo, myself seen what happens at the Sipaha Bas na sake dil ki basti, to aag halt station. It is done with the view that laga barbad karo. no profit should be in respect of Halt station so that tickets may not be sold by The situation in northern Bihar is Railway Department itself. pathetic. The people of Delhi and Haryana travel in Jayanti Janata Express which I would request the Hon. Minister to passes through Barauni and Gorakhpur. convert the narrow gauge line between the Agents and touts can be permanently seen Siwan Junction and Thave Junction into a in the train and on the stations. broad gauge one. This will help lakhs of people and Government would also earn The common people have to suffer a good revenue. I bad proposed earlier also lot on account of long wait for reservations that if a Railway line is constructed between and have to wait even for a month to get Thane Junction and Bhatni via Vijayipura, the confirmed reservations and still they are the passengers from Gopalganj and Nepal Dot able to get it. The train Jayanti Janata will have to cover 100 kms less in reaching Express runs on the orders of bureaucrats, Deoria and other places. 251 Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bill AUGUST 14, 1985 Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bill 2Sl The late Prime Minister Shrimati Indira to be taken up, and 2,300 kms. are being Gandhi had laid the foundation stone of further added to it every year. A time"bound Chitauni Railway Bridge in 1974. Not only programme has been made to renew the the people of our country but also the tracks of such a great 1ength. This is most Nepalese people had expected that this essenti.al because it is linked with safety of bridge would be completed within a short the passengers. Of course, the people who try period but it did l~Ot materialise. I would to violate the rules and create hurdles in like to request the Hon. Minister to ensure the way of the rolling stock also come in that the construction of this bridge is taken the way of safety. I would like to sugest up immediately and the: work completed that in the scheme that has been proposed expeditiously so that Indiraji's soul may and which is worth Rs. 18,500 crores, rest in peace and a link formed between priority should be given to the renewal of India and Nepal. tracks and increasing the rolling stock. We know that you are capable of achieving I would also request you to introduce results with the help of the Planning Com- another train like Jayanti Janta Express. If mission. You should seek more allotment you want to cater to the needs of the people of funds. Besides this, if you speak to the of Nepal, Gopalganj and Siwan, I would Prime Minister for seeking more fund, it urge you to introduce a train like Jayanti would help you a lot. Janta Express. You will observe that the 3,50,000. booking will go upto Rs. If there In the end, I would like to draw your is any station in Bihar which has the maxi- attention to a very serious problem. The mum booking next to Patna, it is the Siwan fracture rate of the rails which was 4,000 per station. year earlier has gone upto 9,000 per year now. 1 his means that there is greater need SHRI PRATAP BHANU SHARMA for track renewal and if it is not looked after (Vidisba) : Mr. Chairman Sir, 1 rise to properly, the number of railway accidents support the Indian Railway (Amendment) may increase· in future. An amount of Rs. Bill, 1985. The effective provisions of the 18,500 crores has been demanded in Seventh bill reflect that our Hon. Minister of Five Year Plan. Therein Rs. 500 crores per Railways and his Ministry are determined to year have been provided for track renewal bring about reforms in the Railways, and and it is ploposed to renew ·'6,000 kms. of want to improve upon the safety, security the track annually, This track consists of and punctuality targets laid down by the 3,700 kms. of the track pending renewal for Minisitry. the last many years and 2,300 .kms. of the track requiring renewal added every year. The 1890 Railways Act was enacted keep- If this annual target of 6,000 kms. is achieved ing in view the conditions prevailing in the with determination, the entire track requiring country at that time. Now in the present con- renewal in the country can be covered within text, and in the changed circumstances it has the next ten years and the aim of ensuring become all the more necessary to bring about safety, security and punctuality can be thus drastice changes in the Act. The recommen- achieved. dations of the Railway Safety Commission and the suggestions of the Railway Reforms I thank you for giving me an opportunity Committee with regard to necessary changes to speak. and need for more facilities are before us. I would like to draw the attention of the Hon. Minister that Railways play the most impor- SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINGH tant role in meeting the transport require- (Chapra) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, the amend- ments of the country~ and in strengthening ment moved by the Hon. Railway Minist~r the country's economy. No one can deny provides for imposition of fine of Rs. 2,000 this fact. By just providing a punishment on a person, who disconnects hosepipes. But for removal of hose"pipe we cannot I feel that if this amount of Rs, 2,000 is strengthen safety and security measures. It increased even to Rs. 5,000, it win be very is essential to modernise the signalling and diffecult for the Hon. Minister to check this tele-communicltion systems. It is being menace Unless Jaw makers foHow the Jaw, no heard for the last many years that the tracK law will prove effective. Laws are viola1ed. renewal to the extent of ~,OOO kms. is yet In a large scale by the law makers themselves 253 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bill SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bill 254 in the trains. I would like to give an example pur Division has been working is Sonepur for in this regard. the last 15 years. Whenever his transfer orders are issued; he manages to get them cancelled North Bihar and Eastern Uttar Pradesh on one pretext or the other. Charges have are tbe most populous areas in tbe country been levelled against him. A case is going on where very poor people Jive. There is only in the court. A vigilance enquiry has also one train-Jayanti Janata Express from Barauni been instituted against him. In 1982, the to Delhi and back. It has seating capacity Chairman, Railway Board had held him for 1100 persons only. But 1,400 to 1,600 guilty for the accident of Assam MaH that people travel by this train daily. I personally took place due to the lapse on the part of met the HOD. Minister and also wrote letters G. C. Mishra. Even then he \\as not trans- to him requesting him to make some arrangc- ferred. Late Shri Lalit Narain Mishra had n1ents but in vain. You gave the stock reply said that such an officer should be sent out that you have no capacity to increase the of Bihar. But he is still continuring there. It number of coaches. When 22 coaches can be appears that that officer is hand in gloves with attached to Tamil Nadu Express or G. T. you. Express, why can not the number of coaches of Jayanti Janata Express be increased ? Why If you want improvement in the function- such a discrimination is being shown against ing of railway as also punctuality and want North Bihar and Eastern Uttar Pradesh? that there should not be any accident, the problems highlighted and the suggestion If passengers in excess of the required given by me should be looked into honestly capacity are al10wed to travel in a railway and a solution found out. compartment, it is. a criminal offence under your law. But such offences corne to your In the end, I would like to submit that notice daily. Who is responsible for this? in the N.F. Railway, one degree college is Train run late daily due to shortage of spare being run in Manihari on railway land and parts Trains are detained at stations for in your abandoned quarters. This land may hours together and when railway employees be handed over to the people there who are bring spare parts by travelling in other trains poor. It is a very backward area and adivasi and fit them in the detained trains, only boys are studying there. If you concede to my then these train can move. You are against request, people will remember you with great late running of trains. You want smooth reverence and it will help in the uplift of p~or running of trains. But it will not be possible people. (Interruptions) In this regard, former to do so unless you provide spare parts. Ministers of Ra ilways Shri Kamalapati Tripathi and late Shri Kedar Pendey has also given an assurance that this land would You will see that work has increased but be handed over to them. I, t.herefore, request staff strength has not been augmented. In you to hand over that land to this college. place of drivers firemen run the trains. If they refuse to do so, disciplinary action is With these words I conclude. taken against them and if they run the trains accidents take place and they are held respon- SHRI MANKURAM SODI (Bastar) : sible. Mr. Chairman, Sir, I whole-heartedly support tbe Indian Railways (Amendment) Bill intro- There is a railway signal factory in duced by the Hon. Railway Minister. Gorakhpur. It appears that this factory is likely to be closed down after a few days. After this Bill is passed, it will help in The reason is that the articles manufactured avoiding loss of nation's property. Students~ there procured by your officers from out- are Union elections are going to be held in the side on commission basis and the workers near future. Activities causing damage to remains idle there. What steps have been railway property can be witnessed maximuD taken by you in this regard ? during these ejections. After the passage of the Bill, if it is implemented strictly; only Not only tbis; Law are violated very then it will prove useful. otherwise this frequently and the persons who violate the exercise will be limited only to the wastage of laws are protected by you . You might the time of the House and payment of allo- remember that Divisional Ensineer of Sone- wances to Members. 255 Indjan RfYj. (Amdt.) Bill AUGUST 14, 19~~ Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bi/I 256 Secondly, even after 37 years of indepen- Nehru. Now, it is said that this train belongs dence, we are still covering long distance on to Shri Bansi LaI. 'Dada' type persons feel foot. People have to walk in the absence of that they are doing an act of bravery. a railway line from Raipur to Jagdalpur. Many inventions are being made in the world. Sir, I would like to say onething. If you People have reached Moon these days. But want to put an end to such type of incidents it is our misfortune that no rail facility has you will have to provide more stoppages of been provided between Raipur and Jagdal- the trains. The trains will have to be pro- pur-a distance of 300 kms. Minerals are vided stoppages at stations from wbere being transported from there to be used for students and industrial workers board the the development of the country. People there trains. If this is done, no incidents of chain are giving their ancestors' wealth. At least pulling or hosepipe disconnection will take you should take care of people's important place at all. demands. I would like to point out that 75 per cent adivasis of Bastar District in Madhya I would like to point out that after Shri Pradesh have not even seen the train. The Bansi Lal took over as Railway Minister, local people have offered their land free of working of railways has improved to a great cost for construction of railway line there. extent. Trains have become punctual. They are prepard to supply sleepers to the Improvements have taken place in certain Railways free of cost. Despite all these things other matters also. It is not a hearsay. It is injustice is being done to the' local people a fact. there. It is a matter of great regret. I hope the Hon. Railway Minister will pay attention Under the provision of the present Bill, towards this backward area. no hard core criminal can be asserted due to lack of coordination between the Railway SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (PalO: Protection Force and the Po1ice. Hard core Mr. Chairman, Sir, I come from a State criminals are not arrested. Only innocent where no incident of chain pulling and hose- persons are arrested. Tl)e laws enacted prove '-pipe removal takes place. With due apology, futile. Your purpose is not served by' them. I would like to submit that this Bil1 has been Habi tual offenders take advantage of these brought particularly for the people of Bihar laws. They are aware of everything. Our and Madhya Pradesh whose representatives police officers are in connivance with them. spoke here earlier. Punishment of six month's imprisonment AN HON. MEMBER: Chain-pulling and a fine of Rs. 500 laid down under this incidents take place in their States only ... provision is not adequate for such offenders. Habitual offenders indulge in activities of ( Interruptions) . chain pulling and removal of hosepipes in order to disturb railway working and our SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: Kindly fuel may go waste. They are traitors. A excuse me for saying so. Rajasthan is a law- provision should be made for imprisonment abiding State. In Uttar Pradesh 53, 146 such for at least four years for such anti-social incidents took place in 1979-80 and 69,000 elements. incidents took place during the year 1980-81. I have got complete figures with me. Similar In the Railways Act, 43 amendments have incidents take place in Bihar also. already been made. The former Minister of Railways late Shri Lalit Narain Mishra bad 17.04 hrs. given an assurance to bring forward a com- prehensive amending Bill. Pt. Kamalapati [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair] Tripathi had also said like that. Shri Gbani Khan Choudhary had also given assurance in No such incident has taken place in this regard. In 1975 a committee consisting Rajasthan so far. The persons, disconnect of six officers was set up. The said committee hosepipes say that this train belongs to has since submitted its report but no com- Chacha Nehru. If we don't travel without prehensive Bill has been brought forward so ticket now, when we wi II be able to do so ? far. This Act dates back. to 1889. We are It is not your train, it belongs to Cbacba about to move into' 21st century. Sir, . you 257 Indian Rlys. (Amdl.) Bill SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Indian Rlys. (Amdl.) Bill 258 should direct the Government to bring for- Prof. Kurien has pointed out that there ward tbis Bill soon. Such a Bill must be are many accidents due to human failure. I passed in tbe current year or in 1986. We agree tha t there are accidents due to human shall bave to make radical changes in the failure, but during the last 6-7 months, the Railway Administration, so that you may be percentage of the accidents due to human able to ~olve many such issues easily. failure has come down and bas come down substantially. He also said that there should I think you for giving me time to speak. be safety in the trains. Everybody will agree to it. We want that the passengers should [English] travel quite safely in the trains. We want that the freight cargo given to the railway THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (SHRI BANSI LAL) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am should reach safely to the consignees. We are doing our best in this respect and we have grateful to the Hon. Members who participa- succeeded to some extent. ted_in the debate. Many questions were raised during the debate. This is small a The law and order problem is the pro- Bill, a very brief Bill. But some of the blem of the State. The government railway points raised by the Hon. Members I would police is not under the railway. I have like to touch upon. written to the Chief Ministers regarding the law and order problem and requested them One point made by Shri B.N. Reddy to help us in reducing this law and order was that there should be no separate Budget problem. He also mentioned that in some for the Railways. It was replied to during particular case. GRP in Andhra Pradesh the Budget debates also. I can say now as refuses to accept some FIR. This is a very well that this is tbere from 1926, and not bad thing. I will take up the matter with just to-day. He said: every time, the the authority concerned. He also mentioned Railway Minister says that there are no that some of the passengers who have no fnnds. He referred to the proceedings of the reservation in the trains get into the trains Consultative Committee also. I do not say with the knowledge and the connivance of that there are no funds, but that constraint the railway staff. should not so. But of funds is there. It be I will ask him the details of such cases and He mentioned about the misbehaviour then we will take action against those who of the railway staff at Kalka Railway Station are found guilty. He also mentioned . that on 4th August with him. I would take water is purchased while travelling in the necessary act ion in the matter. He also trains. It is not so at all. This year.· we' mentioned t hat the local problems should be have not received any complaint regarding discussed at local level. This is correct. drinking water, and if any such thing has The local problems are discussed at local happened, I would like to know the facts of level, and they are dealt with at local level. a particular case which Prof. Kurien may He also said that the Planni'ng Commission have in his mind and we will certainly take has given the target of 297 million tonnes of action against those persons who did freight to be carried by the ra ilway during not manage it properly at some particular the current year. It is not so. The Planning station. But, by and large, I can say that Commission. and the Coordination Secretary drinking water difficulty was not there at all have actually given us a target of 250 million during the last summer season. He said tonnes. No doubt that the demand of the that the Planning Commission should give Ministries was 279 million tonnes, but the more funds, and other Hon. Members also target given to the Railway Ministry is 250 said that the PJanning Commission should million tonnes. I agree that 13,000 wagons give more funds to the Railways. I am will be condemned this year, and by now with the Hon. Members and I will be we have been allotted fund for 5,200 wagons grateful to them if they can help us in this respect! only. We hope to get more, and when we get more, we will place order for more SHRI PRATAP BHANU SHARMA: wagons. He. has demanded tha t there should You have to bead the delegation. be a coach factory at Kazipet. The coach factory decision we have already taken and SHRI BANSI LAL: And then, one jn will be established in Punjab. Hon. Members Shri Krishna Iyer said that 259 Indian Riys.. (Amdt.) Bill AUGUST 14, 1985 Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bill 2~ there should be a daily train between Delhi crores on a wheel-and axle plant there. lJut ~ 8angalore. At present it is very difficult still he says that injustice has been done ' to to run a daily train between Delhi and Karnataka !. '. :aanaalore. Whenever the funds constraint goes we will look into that aspect. SHRI V .. S. KRISHNA IYER: Nothing has been done recently. They were all done "He also said that robberies and dacoities long ago. 0Jl· the Railways are increasing. I say, with r...u $ense of responsibility that robberies and SHRI BANSI LAL : Not long ago. The dJcoities are decreasing day by day. I agree work is still goillg on. The project i,s still thot in some areas like Bihar, Bengal and going on and the work is in rrogress, Eastern U.P. some incidents have taken place. although production bas started. But we are trying to reduce them still. Shri SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER : That was Basudeb Acbaria mentioned that the ticket- all long back. less travelling has not been checked. Every month we are detecting four lakh people who SHRI BA NSI LAL : And then Mr. C.r. travd without tickets. We have intensified Thakur said that Bihar has been neglected the checking on them and we are doing our and he mentioned about some bridge and best. But Shri Basudev Acharia and his train robberies. Bihar has not been neglected partymen-who are the real culprits in at all. No state has been ignored by the tbis-should help us in this regard. Railways. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI: SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: Except When tbey go to the meeting in Calcutta Rajasthan! tbey should purchase tickets and go. SHRJ BANS} LAL: Bihar had the SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankure) : privilege of having five Railway Ministers. Sbri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi also. AN HON. MEMBER: We had the SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI Ministers but not the Railway lines. Theyare the people who travel without tickets. SHRI BANSI LAL : Whatever was to be done by them they could do and they did SHRI BANSI LAL : He said that 20,000 for Bihar. Therefore, Bihar 'is not left kilpmetres of rail track is to be renewed. I behind, compared to other States. Shri agree .. , But we 'are taking steps and Hon. Rajhans demanded a coach factory for Bihar. 'b1e Prime Minister has assured us that he I am sorry to say that we are not going to will give us more funds for renewal of the have any more coach factorie~ except one at t~ack. Kapurthala in Punjab. He has also enquired Then he also mentioned a bout Dighe- about the punishment for dacQity. In this Tamluk 1ine. I am sorry that it has not yet connection I will refer him to the IPC. He been cleared by the Planning Commission. has also said that there is too much of ticketless travelling in Bihar. I agree that MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : There are in Bihar, West Bengal and eastern UP there so many other lines like that. is much of ticketless travelling. SHRI BANSI LAL: And then, Shri Shri Virdhi Chander Jain and some Iyer said that injustice has been done to other Hon. Tylembers have . pointed out Ka.lJl8taka. It is not so at all. about the quality of hosepipe. I will get it examined. S\-l~l \l.S. KRISHNA IYER (Bangalore SA~)' :. It is correct. Shri V.N. PatH has said th~t th.e jud~cial machinery should also 'be slren~~he.n~cl. I will SHRI BANSI LAL : In Karnataka \\e try to s.ee that judicial machinery is, h~~~·4~l~ lot of work, some new lines strengt ~ened. have been laiq, some conversion has taken place more recently. The work is at 11 This Bill is a very small Bill. Thi~ is goiDg 00. We have invested about R&. lS()" w;t~ ~eiard to th(1~.pe'rsons whp ~i:s~~OWl.~~ . ,~ 4 ' ~ ~6t Indian Rtys. (Arndt.) Bill SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bill 262 the' hosepipe or the train. The minimum months (ninety days) or with fine wbidI pun~hment for that will be six months shall not be less than one thousand imprisonment and a fine of Rs. 2000. So, rupees." (4) I request this august House through you to SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji): pass this Bill. I beg to move : MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The ques- Page 1,- tion is : for lines 6 and 7, substitute- ''That the Bill further to amend the Indian Railways Act, 1890, be taken into '(i) the words "or with fine whiCh consideration." may extend to five hundred ru~~ or with both" shaH be omitted.' (S) The Motion was adopted Page 1, line 16,- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now, we for "six months" substitute "one take up clauses. month" (6) Clause 2-Amendment of Section lOO-B Page 1,- of Act 9 of 1980 omit line 17 (7) SHRI E. A YY APU REDDY (Kurnool) : SHRI E. A YY APU REDDY: Of course, I beg to move: , as the Minister has said, this is a small Bill but it has given an opportunity to the Page 1,- Members to speak on the Railways in general. after line 17, insert- The intendment of the Bill is to fix a minimum sentence on those who indulge in "Provided further that where a railway stopping or obstructing the running of tralns servant or any other person without by disconnecting the bosepipes. There is authority in this behaJ f causes to absolutely no objection on that. As a mat~r obstruct any train carrying passe lAgers of fact, the original Act prescribes a sentence or goods train carrying e-;sential of two years and a fine of Rs. 500. Urifortu';' commodities, by squatting, picketing nately, the prosecuting agency has ~ or by a declared Rail Roko agitation, lenient. Similarly, there was leniency in the he shall be punishable with imprison- judicial system in dealing with the' r~i1way ment for a term which shall not be offences. What is required is that we must be less than fifteen days and with fine very strict in enforcing the punishment against which shall not be less than one offenders. thousand rupees." (1) The intendment of my amendment is SHRI P. NAMGUAL (Ladakh) : I beg that those persons shall be the younger to move: generation or political agitators who indulie Page 1,- in Rail Roko agitation. They should also know that a minimum sentence will be pres- after line 17, insert- cribed to them. The intendment of my amendment is that where foUowing picketi1l& "Provided further that where a railway squatting or participating in Rail Roko a&ita- servant or any other person without tion they come and obstruct the passenger authority in this behalf, obstructs or trains or goods train carrying essential causes to obstruct any train or rail car commodities, they should have a mlnmrum carrying passengers or any goods train punishment of 15 days imprisonment and by squatting, picketing or during a Rail Rs. 1000 fine. Of coures, it may not be Roko agitation or Bandh or by alarm necessary to say a minimum sentence because chain pulling or tampering with signal the magistrate himself, while exercising bis gear or otberwi~, he shan be punish- judicial power and discretion, must' take tbe able with imprisonment for a term offences against the Railway seriously, which shall not be less than three especially when they cause inconvenience 263 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) Bi 1/ AUGUST 14! i98S Indian RJys. (Arndt.) aill 264 to the public and to the passengers coming Secondly, I have seen that chain pulling from long distances, and also when the move- incidents take place at about 10.00 hours ment of trains carrying essential commodities when the trains are about to enter Delhi or is obstructed. By these methods, only the other big cities. I would like to give an innocent third parties are affected. That is instance to yo~. We generally come by the intendment of ~y amendment. Since the Jammu Mail or Kashmir Mail. At about Government is coming forward with an 10.00 hours when these trains are about to amendment saying that the minimum sentence reach Delhi, chain-pulling incidents do take for cutting the hose pipe is six months, by place. There is no stoppage between Sabzi implication it show that in other cases the Mandi Station and Delhi Main Station or magistrate can be lenient. That certainly is New Delhi Station. Chain pulling incidents nOt the intendment of the Government but take place daily at one particular point in unfortunately by implication it means that between. Now, the train driver stops the except in this particular type of cases, in all train there of his own because he knows other cases the magistrate can be -very lenient. that chain-pulling incidents take place there I hope that should not be your intendment. and there is nobody to check them. That is In this connection, I will just try to make two why he thinks that it would be better if points. Firstly, the -Railway Ministry must train is stopped there of his own. Otherwise come forward with a comprehensive railway jf hosepipe is disconnected, it will take time court wherein you may have a prosecuting to connect it. In this way with~ut-ticket agency and a self-contained judiciary where passengers get down there. In this way time these cases may be tried summarily and is saved. I have added one proviso to the sentence may be imposed. Of course, there clause. I would like to bring to your notice are Railway magistrates at present and these one word in it. I would like to read this cases are being tried before the Railway to you. magistrates but the Railway Magistrates are sitting at far off places. This is a very time- [English] ~onsuming process. Therefore, a self-contained Railway court is essential and the Railway " " not be less than three months Minister must think of it instead of trying to (ninety days) and with fine which shall ~me forward with a patch-work or a not be less than one thousand piecemeal legislation like this. That is a my rupees." ~uggestion and I hope the Hon. Minister will Precept it. {Translation] My other suggestion is that with regard I have suggested the words "or with" to the claims against the Railway also, the for the words "and with" in it. ordinary customer of the Railways is forced to go to the civil court which also is a time- I would like to request you that this consuming thing for him. Let the Railway amendment would be adopted with these court have a self-contained procedure where- words. I would like to express my thanks to by.the claims against the Railways can also you that you allowed me time to express my be adjudicated in a fair manner. view. Th~ are my suggestions and I urge upon (English] 'lhe Government to accept my amendment. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : It is already ,[Translation] 5.30. Time for this is over. We now take up Half-an-Hour Discussion. SHRI P. NAMGYAL (Laddakh): Mr. .Deputy Speaker, Sir, my amendment is ~n THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the line of the amendm n t moved by the MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY Hon. Member, who sp:lke before me. I AFFAIRS (SHRI GULAM NABI AZAD) : have seen a lacuna, and that is why I have Since the Bill is in its last leg, I think we -mov.ed my amendment. In my amendment, should finish it first. It will take about ten -J have -highlighted the problem of -Rail Roko minutes more. Then we can take up Half-an- ,qitations held every other day. Hour Discussion .. 26~ ,Indian Riys. (Amdt~) Biil SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Indian Rlys. ~Amdl.) bjil 266 MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : All right. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Has the Hon. Member leave of the House to withdraw SHRI SHANTARAM NA1K (Panaji): his Amendment ? My amendment is simple, which is that if we had taken the Debate of the House Amendment No. 1 was, by leave, seriously, then stringent punishment should withdrawn be provided for each of the offences pro- vided for in the Railway Act. There are about 55 Sections in the Railway Act and MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The ques- you have got to amend only one Section to tion is : provide for the punishment. Even that Page 1, Section can be thwarted because there is an option given to the Magistrate to impose "Provided further that where a railway fine. So, if offences are committed and servant or any other person without Magistrates have option to impose fine, fine authority in thi~ behalf, obstructs or obviously will be impos.ed and offenders will causes to obstruct any train or rail go on increasing. Therefore, I have suggested car carrying passengers or any goods that whatvever the proVIsIon is there, train by squatting, picketing or during imposing fine be deleted and punishment a Rail Roko agitation or Bandh or which you have provided for six months, by a1arm chain pulling' or tampering let it be for one month but let it be a with signal gear or otherwise, he shall sure punishment,.. should be compulsory. be punishable with imprisonment for a Let us do away with fine and impose punish- term which shall not be less than ment which is of one month and it should be three months (ninety days) or with fine a compulsory punishment. which shall not be less than one thousand rupees." (4) In fact, I would .... propose that the entire Chapter IX of the Indian Railways Act, The Motion was adopted which consists of 55 Sections should be reviewed exhaustively and punishment in MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The ques- each of the Sections should be increased. tion is : Therefore, I would request you to accept this provision so that stringent punishment can "That Clause 2, as amended, stand be given. part of the Bill." The Motion was adopted SHRI BANSI LAL: I am accepting only Shri Namgyal's Amendment. Clause 2, as amended, was added to SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: I seek the Bill leave of the House to withdraw my Amend- ment Nos. 5, 6 and 7. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The ques- tion is : MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Has the Hon. Member leave of the House to withdraw "That Clause 1, Enacting Formula his Amendment? and Title stand part of the Bill." Amendments Nos. 5, 6 and 7 were by The Motion was adopted leave, withdrawn Clause 1, Enacting Formula and Title MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER Mr. were added to .the Bill Ayyappu Reddy, do you want to withdraw MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The Minister yoltr Amendment? may now move that the Bill, as amended, be passed. . SHRI E. A YYAPU REDDY : It is the same thing. Of course.. he wants three SHRI BANSI LAL: I move that the months and I said fifteen days. Since it is Bill, as amended, be passed. going to be for a minimum of three months, I have no objection. I seek leave of the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Motion House to withdraw my Amendment. moved. 267 Intiian Rlys. (Amdt.) Bill AUGUST 14, 1985 Coal Mines (Conservation 268 and Dev[opmelt/) Amdt. Bill "That the Bill, as amended, be MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The ques- passed. tion is : PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ (Baramula): "Tba t the BiIJ, as amended, be Perhaps, Shri Ayyapu Reddy made a good passed~" suggestion that the Minister should come forward with a comprehensive Amendment. The motion' was adopted I agree that the offenders have to be punished. My friend from that side just now suggesting the same thing, but 1 got up to rake the Hon. Minister's remark that no State' has bee~ neglected. I only invite attention to Jammu and Kashmir for a COAL MINES (CONSERVATION minute. {Interruption) I only request the AND DEVELOPMENT) AMEND- ' Hon. Minister to pay attention to Jammu MENT BILL and Kashmir. 8 years ago a' survey was completed to construct a' railway line between [English] BaramuUa and Kanjikund Last time his predecessor Mr. Ghani Khan Chaudhary THE MINISTER OF STEEL MINES told us that there were constraints of funds. AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE): Sir, he represents a very rich Department. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to This will cost only Rs. 70 crore~. The move the Bill, if you allow, so that it can department has already waited for decades. continue. That will help. The next Bill is Now he should not wait any further and mine. You can allow me now because you construct railway line between Baramulla have allowed a little time. and Kanjikund and there should be survey for laying railway line between Udhampur Sir, I beg to move: and Srinagar. As far as the construction of railway line between Jammu and Udhampur "That the Bill further to amend the is concerned I invite your attention to the Coal Mines (Conservation and Deve- sluggish ... (Interrupt ion) lopment) Act; 1974, as passed by RCljya Sabha, be taken into considera- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: What is tion. " this? Kindly listen to me. This is Third Reading. MR: DEPUTY SPEAKER: Motion moved: PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: He was referring to development of all States and "That the Bill furlhei"' to amend the he said that no State is neglected; I am Coal Mines (ConserVation and Deve- telling him that Rs. 70 crores were allotted lopment) Act, 1974, as passed by for construction of railway line between Rajya Sabha, be taken into coosidera- Udbampur and Jammu. tion.'; MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You need -Do you want to say anythirig ? not have brougHt all these things now. I cannot allow. That is all. You may say one or two lines. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: When are SHRI VASANT SATHE' ~ It is a' short you going to complete that line? Bitt I request that the Bill may be taken into consideration. MR:.· DEPUTY SPEAK~ : That is not the point now. The Hon. Minister. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER': It' is all THE MINISTER OF .. RAILWAYS right. It will be taken up afterwardi. We (SHRI BANSI LAL) ; I beg urmoVe': now go to the next item. "That the Bill, as amended, be paaacd." H. A.H. Dis. SRA VA.NA 23, -19'(}7 (SAKA) H. A. H. Dis. 279 a~t.F AN HOUR DISCUSSION But the basic ,question is whether the magni- tude of this increase in price is proportional RecommeudatlOlJs 01 Expert Committee to tbe increase in tbe price of raw material. 9IJ Tyre Industry In this connection I would like to .know one {FAglisl4 thing. His Ministery has referred this qurstion to the BICP as to whether the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now we increase in price is proportional to the take up Half-an-hour Discussion. Prof. increase in the price of raw materials, Kurjon. Pl~ be brief. Please put ques- whether the increase in price is justifiable. tions. There are others also who want to His Ministry has asked the BICP to go into put questions. the question and submit a report, as early as in May 1984. A Committee under PROF, P. J, KURIEN (Idukki): Mr. Mr. Satya Pal was also appointed to go into Deputy Speaker, Sir the increase in the tyre the other aspects of the question in order to prices is a matter of great concern.' When give a report. Both the BICP and the Satya tb¢ ,question was Q~scussed in this House on Pal Committee were asked to submit the 2-3rd July many members expressed their Report within three months, but the BICP concern Gn the increase in the tyre prices. submitted the Report after a year, that is, Even the Hon. Minister himself expressed on May 18, 1985, and the Satya Pal Com. his concern even though he tried to indirectly mittee also submitted a Report very late. jQStify to a certain extent that increase in I do not know why they submitted the prices on the plea that the prices of inputs Reports so late. But whatever it may be, have gone up. these two bodies have submitted their reports and I persume that the Minister has taken On two occasions earlier it has been a stand on the basis of these reports. Sir, repQfted that when the Minister addressed these reports are experts' reports. They a meeting of Indian Rubber Industries' have gone into all aspects, they have gone ~iation he warned the industries to into the increase in the prices of petroleum accept price restraint and reduce the prices. products, they have gone into all other He told them that increase jo prices in aspects of the industry and then submitted freqijent instalments will lead to resistance certain recommendations. I think that jf from tbe consumers and if tbey did not these recommendations of the Satyapal reduce prices he will take stringent action Committee and of the BrCp are made known. on them. to us, are made public~ much of the contro- versy can be avoided. So, I would like to Again, on 17th July when he was know from the Minister what the recommen- addressing another meeting he has expressed dations of these Committee are. Let these the same views and the same sentiments. recommendations, which they have made on He wanted the industry to roll back the a scientific basis. be made known so that prices. But while he was answering the much of the controvrrsy ca'n be avoided and question on 23rd July in this House, it we can come to a judgment on whether the appoareci that he changed his views. He price rise is in accordance with the increase said that the increase in price is primarily in price rise in respect of inputs and raw due to the increase in raw materia) prices materials. I hope the Minister win place and raw materials mainly are those based on the recommendations of these Committees petroleum products and naturally the price before this House. increase in the case of petroleum products will have the reflection on the tyre price. Coming to the question of tyre price, The other raw material, of course, is natural we know that different interests are involved, rubber. But I have verified and found that mainly the consumer interest. Then there there is DO increase in the price of natural is the interest of the industry, then there is rubber for the last three years. Therefore, the interest of the growers. Who is tbe whatever is the increase in the price of raw consumer? If you examine it you will find materials, it is due to the increase in the that 80 per cent of the product constitutes pric:Sc C?f l).CtroJeu,m products and therefore, truck ~es. And apart from those tyres to CJ cert~jD e~t~nt the i,ncrea~e in th~ price purchased for public vehicles bi Government, c~1l be jus~ifi;djl T~_t was his argutnent. most of the tyres are purcbased by truck 271 H. 4. H. Dis. AUGUST 14, 1985 H. A. H. Dis. 272 owntrs. Most of the fruck owners are getting it? No, ,Dot at all.- There is no drivers themselves. They get loans from increase in the price of items produced by banks and they buy trucks. Some of them the growers for the last tbree years and they may be owning one or two trucks, but are demanding higher price for their produce. whatever it may be, these truck owners are If the consumer is paying more price, then mini units and the most important thing is somebod'y else should get it. Where is the that these units should be viable, but the surplus? Where is the profit absorbed? fact is that these truck owners take loans This is the aspect which has to be looked from the banks at exorbitant rates of interest into. This means, fundamentally and basi- and they take loans sometimes from private cal1y, there is sometbing wrong. This parties also and because of the increase in mistake has to be found out. In this the tyre price and also the increase in the connection, I would like to ask the Minister price of diesel. they are unable to pay the to look into the functioning of this tyre instalments to the banks. They are not able industry. It is stated that the industry has to meet both the ends. They are not able suffered a loss of Rs. 60 crores. But how to generate sufficient funds for their own many applications for new licences are with livelihood and each unit-each truck owner you? How many licences you have issued ? is taken as a unit- is becoming sick. They Already the industry is not producing to' the are not generating any surplus fund. This capacity that has been granted. If I am is the impact of the increase in tyre price on correct, the capacity utilisation is only to the the consumers. You are aware that there extent of 65%. They say that they are are more than a lakh of truck operators in already in loss. They say that they are not the co untry and an of them are in jeopardy abJe to sell their tyres. The industry says and in crisis. So, the most important tha t the tyres are accumulated and there is concern should be about these people who no buyer for the tyres. So, they are incur- are the consumers. ring huge loss. At the same time, new applications for licences are coming again Secondly, we come to the tyre industry. and again. New licences too have been The Hon. Minister himself in an answer to granted. Kesav Ram industry has been unstarred question yesterday in this august granted licence for manufacturing another House stated th is. The question was about 12 lakhs. Other application are also there. the loss suffered by the tyre industry in the Why are they t~ere '/ This is something last three years. He said: difficult to understand. They say that the industry is running in loss but at the same "According to the Automotive Tyre time, applications for new licences are also Manufacturers, Association, the pub- coming This is the point which the Minister lished accounts of tyre companies has to look into. The answer is known to show that the industry earned a profit everybody. What is this industry doing? of Rs. 27.54 crores in 1982 and They are making benefits both the ways. incurred operating losses of Rs. 3.79 One is that, when they start the industry, crores in 1983 and Rs. 60.10 crores they say that a very high investment, has to in J 984. Losses incurred by the be made in land, building. equipment etc., industry in 1983 and 1984 are sta ted so that they can take away a lot of public to be due to unremunerative prices of money and put it in their pocket. Higher typres." investment is a total loss to the company. So, in this answer, even though, he is quoting Total expenditure that is required is Rs. SO the Automotive Tyre Manufacturers' Asso- crores. This they will show as an expendi- ciation, he himself is saying that the industry ture of Rs. 100 crores and the balance of has suffered a loss of Rs. 3.79 crores in Rs. 50 crores go to their pockets as black 1983, and more than Rs. 60 crores in 1984. money. So, those who apply for this licence It is also reported that most of the tyre units do not have good intentions. They want to are sick. They are incurring huge loss. generate black money. This is one of the So, on the one side, here is the consumer sources of earning of black money. who has to pay a very heavy price. On the other side, the -industry is saying that it is Another aspect you yourself stated ,,'in sick. It is incurring very heavy loss. Then, this House is that the tax component on the who is getting the benefit? -Is the grower price of the tyre is more tban 60%. Excise 213 H. A. H. Dis. SRA VANA 23, 19D7 (SAKA) H. A. H. Dis. 274 ,t!uit ,~. 66%. "Tqti1l tax component comes back~one of ,tite industry,., They 8#. _viDa to l~ore \~hap tw~ thirds, of the total price. us sufficient natural rubber and S8viD'~US l?~e ~o _th,s Jlip excise duty, what some" of foreign exchange. But ther~. i$,DO ~ t:)le il_1dilslri,liSts ,are doing?, They _actually in price for th~ growers' industries 81ld to ttt to" evape tax. Tax evasion is takh~ generate surplus. ~ac~, ~~ a ,I~rge extent. There are some , r,.,'; Industries should get adequate profit so ,~~~~tnes whIch are honest, which are doing that the profit comes back to the g..o~rs properly, and which are functioning well, also. This aspect has to be looked into. 1 know. In the light of this, I woul4 like to kno.w But there are a number of other indus- from the Hon. Minister whe~her be is, pre- tries in this tyre manufacturing sector. They pared to appoint a Committ~ t9 SO into actuany do not pay tax and thereby generate an indepth study into the whole aspect .Qf a lot of black money as profit. That never the question, whether he is prepare4 to 80 comes in the account book. Therefore, the into the question of tax component. and, ,if ~mpany is at a loss. This is how most of it is contributory to the higher price, whether the companies are at a loss. he is prepared to reconsider that aspect aqd ultimately ensure reasonable price ,to the So, the most important point is that you a tyre in the interests. of lakhs and lakhs of have to conduct an inquiry into the func- tyre operators in the country and also rubber tioning of these industries and companies. How far their argument that the increase in growers in the country. price is due to the increase in price of inputs, how far their argument that industries are THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS FERTILISERS not viable, is true? Tha t bas to be gone AND AND INDUS'tP3 into depth and studied. ~ND COMPANY AFFAIRS lSR"R\,VEEi· ENDRA PATIL) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, , What I want to know is whether the Hon. Member Prof. Kurien bas expressCd Minister is prepared to make an indepth concern over the increa~e in the price of study into this aspect also. It has to be tyres. I may be permitted to narrate, in studie~ to what extent the excise duty on the brief, the problem of the prices of tyres. bow tax component has contributed to the increase the prices have been increased in the past. in price. During September 1981- May 1983, th~ Along with the recommendations of the was no increase in the price of tyres. There BICP and the Satpat Committee, I alSo was an informal understanding between tbe would like the Hon Minister to appoint a Government and the tyre mantrl-acturers Committee to go into the whole aspects tb.t. of whenever they wanted to increase., the price. it and see which are the industries malu- they would approach the, Government, co•• functioning, which are the industries properly suIt the Government and then increase tbe functioning and also point out in a scientific price. They were following this pl-actice, this way based on facts, to what extent the convention, In May, 1983, the tyre manufa- increase in price is justifiable, to what extent cturers increased the prices. At that tiIae the increase in price is due to the excise duty the increase was of the order of &. to 9 component and if the increase in price is "r ceot. But Government was not bappy, ",j,lh due to the malfunctioning of the companies, regard to the increase at that time. Gove~ .. you should not hesitate in punishing these ment had to intervene and Government was companies. But if it is only due to the successful in prevailing ,upon the tyre map~ increase in excise duty, you should not facturers to roll back to pre-Sevt.ember 1981 hesitate to reconsider this excise duty COITlpO- price. At that time it was explained to the nent and thereby the industries should be manufacturers that, if they were justifie4 1ft made healthy. increasing the price, certainly the BlCP w~ Sick industries means the consumer will look into the matter; and after gettioa ta., not be saved. Sick industries means' the report from the BICP. in the light of :~ grower will not be saved. report of the BICP, if they werejusti6c~'LiP increasing the price, Government would pur!o, tbe, last three years, no benefit is allow the manufacturers to increR1e the giveri' to "'t1le SfoWers. The growers are the price. 275 H. A. H. Dis. AUGUST 14, 1985 H. A. H. Dis. 276 Again in November, 1913, the prices Sir, when we are considering the question were increased for certain categories and in of price of tyre, we have to consider the January, 1984 prices were increased for truck question of prices of inputs also. Again I . and 'bus tyres. So far as this increase is con- must tell the House frankly that so far as cemed, we have already referred this matter the tyre industry is concerned, as Govern- to the BICP for study. I understand that the ment, we have to be fair to both the manu- BICP has submitted a report and that report facturers and to the consumer. It is our is being examined now. duty to see that manufacturers do not exploit the situation, do not make undue profit, do Our concern now is about the increase not create artificial shortage and hold the that has been effected by the manufacturers users or customers to ransom. At the same in the price of tyres subsequent to the pre- time if they are justified in increasing the sentatlon oi tne cutrent 'Yeat's 1\udget, Le., \)l'\ce, \~ \ne tav.l ma\et\a\s \na\ ,0 \t\\0 \b.e . after the Budget for the year 1985-86 was production of tyre have gone up, then we presented. Again the manufacturers increased have certainly to look into that aspect also. the price. As the Hon. Member Prof. If the prices have gone up. I agree with the Kurien said just. now, with regard to this Hon'ble Member Prof. Kurien that if the increase in' the price of tyres, I did express- prices of raw materials have gone up, propor- my unhappiness while addressing the Associa tionately the price of tyre can go up. If it is tion of the Rubber Product Manufacturers disproportionate, I must say that we have to in Bombay, and this question was taken up. take exception, if the manufacturers indulge again in the Development Council for tyres in this. held on 17-7-1985. We are trying our best . even now we are continuing our efforts. I had Sir, I want to give certain figures and 1 >specially asked my Secretary to have a mee- want to make it abundantly clear to the . ting with all the manufacturers in order to Hon'ble Members that I don't hold any prevail upon them and also to find out to brief for the manufacturers. I am only wbat extent they were justified in increasing placing the facts before the Hon'ble the price. I must admit frankly that my Members. unhappiness was mainly because of this. During all these years, they had increased SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY (Midna- the prices, but the present increase subsequ- pore) : Are those "facts true? Can those facts ent to the presentation of the Budget was be regarded as briefs ? without consulting the Government. As I. said in the beginning, the convention was SHRI VEERENDRA PA TIL: I am that they should consult the Government, placing the facts. There is no question of they should take the Government into confi- briefs and all that. I have said that I am dence, but they did not do that. Naturally holding no briefs. I am not quoting these I was upset. I thought that they did it figures in order to SUppClrt the stand taken by unilaterally. This time they did not follow the manufacturers in increasing the price. whatever convention or precedence they were The Hon'ble House is entitled to know the . following while increasing the price. There- facts. Therefore, I am placing the facts fore, I expressed my unhappiness. I feel that before the Hon ~ble Members. whatever price increase they have effected, it is very difficult for me to say anything because Sir, nearly 75 to 80 per cent of the raw the study is going on. I want to receive materials that go into the production of tyre, a report from the BICP. I don't know they form the basic cost of the price. Most whether they were fully justified in increasing of the raw materials are petroleum based raw the price, whether they are partly justified or materials. Hon'bJe Members are aware of they are not at all justified in increasing the the fact that in the recent budget, the petro- piiee. But my main objection is that before leum price has ~one up. fftCreasins the price they should have come SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : Thanks ·to the Government. they should have discu- to the budget ! -tSed with the Government, they should have taken the Government into confidence, they SARI VEERENDRA PATlL: Wbatever ."Should have consulted the Government ]Jut it is, we are now not discussing the budget, the)' budgets on the raw materials that go into the than the indigenous rubber. I have got the . production of tyre. I will now tell how the figures to show how the prices of rubber bave prices ot raw materials have gone up. I am gone up. The price of rubber in 1981 not quoting with regard to the recent budget. December was Rs. 14150 minimum and Since September 1981 upto April 1985 I have maximum was Rs. 15400. That was the priec got the figures. According to the figures, the of rubber during 1981. The Hon. Member raw materiaJs that go into the production of was saying that the price of rubber has not tyre, one is Nylon Tyre (Ind.) Cord and also gone up and the producers are not being Nylon Tyre Cord imported, Carbon Black, benefited. During 1984 the average price of Butyl Rubber imported and Butyl Rubber rubber at the Kottayam market was Rs. 17610 local aqd PBR, Rubber Chemicals. Beadwire, per tonne in Jaouary 1984, it was Rs. 17060 Synthteic rubber, other chemicals, VP Latex per tonne in February and it came down a and t-yte cotd. M.o~t of tbem ate \)etto\eum- \itt\e in Matcb to \\.~. \()<)OO. In Al)t\\ ap.m based raw materials. I do not want to quote it has gone up to Rs. 11340 per tonne .•• all the figures about the increase. In September 1981 -':nylon tyre imported-54 PROF. P. J. KURIEN: What is the per cent increase. Indigenous-21 per cent average price of 1984 ? increase. Carbon black-21.25 per cent in- crease. Butyl rubber imported-37.92 per cent SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : Pool prices increase. Similar1y, PBR indigenous-44.27 you mean? If the Hon. Member is very per cent, imported-88.86 per cent. Similarly, particular about reducing the price of tyre, there are so many other items. In the case of I would like to know from the Hon. Member VP Latex is 50.80 per cent. if he is prepared to accept the suggestion that whatever rubber requirements of the tyre I wanted to impress upon the Hon. manufacturers, to that extent the manu- Members how the prices of the raw materials facturers should be allowed to import rubber. have gone up since September 1981. Not only Then there is a case for us to say that now the prices have gone up-the Hon. Member- we are supplying rubber at a particular price, just now suggested about the tax structure as such, you cannot increase the price of -I must admit again that the tax structure is tyres. We are not going to do that because such-I have got the figures-that the our policy is to protect our rubber growers. existing duties on inputs and tyres put to- That is why only to the extent that is required gether come to 85 per cent. And if we inc1ude we are importing and not that because it is the octroi and also the Sales Tax, then the chea p outside we are indiscriminately im- tax structure on tyre comes to lOOper cent. porting rubber. That is not our policy. Our I have got the figures to illustrate it. Tyre- policy is to protect the interests of the costs - exclusive of taxes, the standard tyre growers in our country.. I quoted tbese figures costs Rs. 2300. This is exclusive of all taxes. only to impress upon the HOD. Members tba t· If taxes are included, the same tyre costs it is not correct to say that the rubber prices Rs. 3894. So Hon. Members can very well have not gone up and the rubber growers appreciate the element of tax structure on have not been benefited by the price tyres. Because of the input cost and because increase. of the tax structure the prices of ~inputs h'I.Ve gone up. Having quoted these figures now I come to the question of price increase subsequeut. Hon. Prof. Kurien was referring to rubber to budget. As I have already said we &Q:' prices. In rubber we are not self sufficient. I making a study. I have already requested t}uJ, agree that most of the rubber that is being BICP to make a study and submit the report·, produced is used for manufacture of tyres. as early as possible. In the light of that J Because there is shortage of rubber in the Report we will take whatever action is called.. country we are importing them. I have got for. I will be able to tell the House only· the figures of rubber imports. In 1981-82 after I take a decision on the Report tbat I we imported 42,750 tonnes. In 1982-83 it was receive from the BICP. 30050 tonnes and 1983:.84 we imported 44,350 tonnes. The Hon. Member is quite Sir, a suggestion has been made that we. aware of the fact that if you compare the should have control over the distribution and '. prices of indigenous rubber with the imported prices of tyres. In our country nearJy 200 rabber, tbe imported rubber is far cheaper ty~s of tyres and tubes are beiDl manu- II. A. Dis. l~~? A. Ii. 4' AUGUST 14, H. iI.i Dis.l. factured comprising of 500 different trade ad~ice ~nd if th~y d~n't ~~y~"pr~... ~!?'~ paetb& arld'ibidf a itO:len ply ratings. So, it then as' I ha ve aJre,dy said, there are is>'dtIIlcmt tf> have price control and'distribu- so' ~any other methods. One' or' t~ tiOlt~ Further 'my "own' feeling is that when- methods that we are prepared to adopt i eWr~we think of a' control it leads to black- is that if ~he dealers or ' if the ~selrs tMrketfng, cormption and ultimately the want to import tyres in large qua~tities, CHSUmei's suffer. we are here to help them. Let them ~mpori. If the'tocal manufacturers are not suppiyioi' Another poi!)t which is against having tyres at a .reasonable price, if the de8:1~*$, distriBution: arid; price' CQn trot is that whe~ we come and approacIl us for import of tyt:CS. ~"6; 110t have an)' control over the inputs and from whatever sources they want, we are pre~ tHe ptices"ot.inputs'are going upward then how pared to ;help them. We are prepared to help are we':histified.)in' :telling the manufacturers them to the extent possible. . ' .. thitt ·theY i'stlould not increase their prices. SUPposirig we' have control on inputs Sir, I would like to give one information that go into the production of tyres then before I include. The Hon. Member wanted" t&ere is every justification in thinking of to know about the capacity of the tyre price control and distribution control over manufacturing units in the country. Sir, it present the capacity, the installed capacity t~~ t~res. ~o Ipng as we are not in a that is created, according to' 1984 Informa- po~itjon to contr~l the prices of inputs, I trunk, we are not justified in saying that tbey tion. is 136.56 lakhs tyres, that is, nearly shoUld not increase th~ prices. The only thing 13.6 million tyres year. That is the capacity' t11&t we have io 'do is to see that they are created. I agree with the Hon. Member! jusillied i~ 'jDci~asi~g the prices. If they are Prof. P. J. Kurien that whatever capacity is' D9t -ll:lStified tll~~' Government has got so created is not being fully utilised because as against 13.6 million capacity, the actual pro,- many methods through which we can see that tbeY see the Sens~"and become reasonable and duction in 1984 is only 10.6 million. So, it, ~. t~ pri~es. That' bas happened in the comes to 77.88 per cent c~pacity utilisatipn. that 'is going to happen. ' PiSil. 'WI' _..t'. and f~ ~ "• 1 j ~- Now, there are so many constraints. We cannot blame the manufacturers. Tb~re are There is a feeling because tyres are being constraints about getting raw materi,als in ekported~ we are earning good foreign ex- sufficient" quantity, there are constraints abO\lt cbadge. ~.. 1 tnust again comp1iment the power shoriage. They have to overcom.~ rmrriufaeturers because durir~g t~ last year these constraints. There are so many tyr~ ty~ of. the order of Rs. 4S crores were ex- manufacturing units wh<;> h~ve got their' own. ported and we are competing well with the capacity of ,power. generation because they dQ suppoiie4 to be the "bc;st quality tyre pro- not alw~ys depend upon the l~l electricity ddr. ,in the world. I understand this year grid. So, because 'of alJ these constraints. ' tllef are going to export of the order of more they have not been, able, to utili .. e, ~he ~pacity" thantDearly Rs. 80 to 8S croies. Now, you that bas, bee~ 'c~eaied. But W~ feel 'that by cui18Y 9Iby not we ban the export in order the' end of' the Seven'tn Five Year' Plan~ , we to make the tyres available in plenty within w~fit to a~hi~~e t:h~ target by . ~tilisjpB '~<, the country. Again I would submit for the fuD"capacity, ot, 27.'40' mllion tyres~' everi' ctmsideratroD~ or: 'tbe Hon. Members' that year. So additional capacity has to": ~t'-an' export m~lfket:'js a ~Very difficult be created. F.or, that we are issuing jlf1i Grlee' we create' ~n "export market and letters "~f intent and also we are if ::.we destroy' that market, again for encouraglng~ mor~ 'peop.le to e~~~, intO t~.j cteilngt. ' another export market' it' would be field. I know the Hon. Member". Prof.. ~! blercfdcan task and' therefore I do nof Ku-rien must also be aware of the fact that wish-to do itnything to disturb the market although .there are 23 units who are ma~~,~ wlDcb bas been created a I ~ady. I am not facturjn~ 'ty~es in the country, there are only t 0011:: noi: going 10 disturb the market that is about 6 or, 7 houses who ar~ actually created but also the market that is going to monopolizing, this ,market. There are, only,. arow in tbe COPlina years. But I do agree abou~ 6 ,or, 7 h9U8eS which a~ manufacturit)', tMt, if U~c;"inanufacturers become unreason- 70 per cent of the tyres in the CouDtry. I do not, .tilt it, they go on increasing the prices in- wan~- this mOt~poly, to continue. I am ~ro c.f~runjiiately~ if tbey don't· listen to the to en~ou~ase more in<.\ustrialists aDd othcc_ - . _: 'L; t· i i .. ~ t" 281 H. A. H. Dis. SRAV ANA 23, 1_907 (SAKA) 1I. A. H .. his. small units to corne into this field. So, we the meantiqte, if we get the report of thc= have given letters of intent. But unfortunately BICP, our case will be further sfrength~ned, they-~Ilave not started the manufacture of I hope that the manufacturers would Dol tyres. As the Hon. Members himself said take undue advantage of the situation and- we 'have issued 3 letters of intent, but so far they wou~d not try to exploit the consumer$. they have not taken any action at all. We In so far as the Government is concerne~, are trying our best to help them start the we are fuJJy committed to see that if units. If any application that comes for there is any exploitation, it is eliminated pr.oduction of one million or one and half totally. million, tyres, if they want to set up factories, we are, 'here to support them. Bu t we do SHRI AJIT KUMAR SAHA (VishnQ- not want any monopoly. pur) : ~1r. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in his, reply, the Hon. Minister has admmitted tb~t Lastly, Sir, I want to bring to the notice after presentation of the budget, prices. nQt of the Hon. Members in this House tbat only of tyres but also all commodities have whatever views or concern expressed by the risen and he he has expressed his unhappi- HDo.. Member, Prof. P.J. Kurien, is being ness. expressed not only in this Houses but outside also". 1 bave got the information that in the These tyre tycoons are looting the year 1984. M.R.T.P. Commission received consumers because of tbe anti-people policy a complaint from the Association of State of this Government. They are raising their Road Transport Undertakings that the tyre prices and the Government bas no, control manufacturers acted in unison and in over them. On the contlary, the Minister is consultation with each other in quoting justifying the rise in prices. p~iees for supply of tyres to Andhra Pradesh anti :R~~sthan State Transport Undertakings. This Half-an-Hour discussion relates to An investigation was got conducted by the the recommendations of the Export Com- Commission and on the basis of investigation mittee OJ) Tyre Industry. I would 1ike to reported dated 13th December, 1984, the know when recommendations of the Satpal ~ission has issued notice of enquiry to Committee were received by the Government ten, tyre companies on 22nd April, 1985. and what action has been taken by the Enquiry is' now in progress. Recently com- Government. What are the recommenda- p~at.nt against tyre companies made by All tions ? In~JJ~LM,?tur Transport Congress in May, 19~? a~u~. th~ price iucrease between Tbese tyre manufacturers are resorting ~pyem~F~ 19S~:.and March, 1985 is. a~Q to various mal-practices such as under- ~ c~idt?ed by the M~TP Co~ invoicing, tax evasion etc. What action has ~jop.. The Commission is going into this been taken in this regard ? ~l~Fr. The Minister has already ad~itted that he has asked, the BICP to study the cost I once agaiYl want to mak e it very clear structure of tyre manufacturers. May I know, to the- Hon. Members that so far as price the result of this study unde,taken by the increase-..Subse,q~nt to the Budget presentation BICP ? In this connection, I want to say is concerned, the study is going on. I have that in OUf co~try one of the critical gaps alp;uJy, ~;!iJ, a d~Sf:l;ls,Sion. with the. BICP. I in the developmen t of this industry is the 1:t~pe:'r tl)~ JJIG.P, stu~ will b~ co~pleted as lack of research and development. For e'1,~lI, ~~; ~~~~p~~ .. ~~ yve will be able to get. a research and development, the industry is r~P.Rr!., IQ the :hght of the report. we wdl technoiogicaIJy dependent on foreign colla:- c\,pa~~l.:y~ ~ke action against the mapufac~urers boration. So, what action is OQvernment if~ ,~~~ ai~ not justified in increa~ing the goina to take to improve reseat:ch an The Hon. Member wanted to know SHRI AJOY BISWAS (Tripura West) : about the Satya Pal Committee. The Satya Sir, I am member from Tripura. The North Pal Committee submitted its report in Eastern Region is lacking in rail communica- February 1985. The recommendations of tions. So, the price rise in tyres and petrol the Committee are such that we ha ve to will definitely affect the North Eastern send those recommendations to different Region adversely. Actually, we are being Ministries for consideration and implementa- sandwiched. The Minister has stated tbat tion. That is benig done. So far as recom- there was a clear instruction that the manu- mendations on which we 'have to take a facturers should discuss with the Government· decision are concerned, .we are processing before announcing the tyre prices. But the same. they did not pay heed to the decision of the Government. The Minister has expres- I may mention for the information of sed his helplessness. So, it is very clear that the Hon. Member that the Satya Pal Com- the Government is totally helpless before mittee in their report have made it very the tyre tycoons. I do not understand why clear that with regard to the distribution and the Government was helpless. May I know marketing, they are against control. The if it is a fact that in the last Election, the committee have observed: tyre tycoons had given large sums of mdney to the National fund of the Congress (I) "With the significant increase in the Party? Otherwise why the Minister is so capacity and output of automobile helpless. tyres and tubes, the situation bas changed from a sellers' market to a Secondly, some specific complaints buyers' market. However, the industry against the tyre manufacturers have been should endeavour to check unhealthy received. Will the MR TP inquire into tbat ? trends by announcing dealers' and Is it a fact that they would not any more retail prices and discounts volun- operate as a cartel? These·are the assuran- tarily and ensure that the consumer ces a~pted by the Government. But now has adequate choice, particularly in they are functioning as a cartel. So it is a regard to tyres of low prices." breach of MRTP Act. Will the Government refer the matter to the MRTP Commission Satya Pal Committee has also suggested that so that there would be investigation into it would not be advisable to introduce price this? control for the reason that it would be extremely difficult to administratively oversee MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Som- price control. Price control would necessarily nath Rath. You also put only questions. have to be coupled with distribution of raw material, which would be impracticable. SHRI SOMNATH RATH (Aska) : Sir, Regarding malpractices, evasion of taxes, I am not going to bring baseless cha(gCS on proper collection of excise duty and all political grounds, as the previous speaker those things, this is a matter where I anl bas done. The main question was whether not directly concerned. Supposing, there is Government proposes to take any action 011 tax evasion, the Finance Ministry and the the recommendations of the Expert Com- Parliament are certainly there, and tbey are mittee on the tyre industry. The 'answer was going to look into that matter. that the recommendations of' the Satya· Pal Committee are under examination' or With regard to R & 0, I think tbe Hon. this Government. Member was right bi laying emphasis on thisi 1 have ~y told the manufacturers that Then the supp.ementary was. about the .they are doina very little so far as research rise in prices of tyres. 28S H. A. H. Dis. SRAVANA 23, J907 (SAKA) H. A. H. Dis. 286 So I want to know from the Hon. country, taking into consideration the profits Minister, whether he will lay the copy of which the manufacturer gets· from exports? the-~- recommendation of the Committee, which he has just now read for the infor- SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH (Uluberia) : mation of the House. This is one point. Already, lots of questions have been put. From the Minister's explanation, it seems The second point is about the rise that he is trying to use life-saving drugs in prices. It is said that the rise in prices after the death of the patient. Why, after of tyres depends upon the import of raw increaSing the price, should he see whether materials and mostly on the petroleum based it is justified or not? That argument is very produ,ts. The Hon. Minister has said tbat strange. So, we do not know why the he is not happy about the rise in prices and Government takes this attitude towards the in fact during the answer to the question he monopoJists who are controlling the industry. has also stated that he has threatened some producers about the price rise. It shows The Minister also admits that five that the Ministry is posted with some facts companies are working as cartels. What is and he is also convinced that. The price the plan of the Government to break the rise is very - high and the Hon. Minister cartels? also stated that there is a monopoly in the manufacture of tbe tyres. Will the Hon. The Minister, during the last few days Minister take steps to see that the monopoly whenever the question came up, bas ~n is broken and manufacture of the tyres threatening them, but the manufacturers do is done in public sector companies? not take this fact into consideration. About the recommendations of the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Does he Committee, the Minister said it is under threaten the manufacturers? examination. So when it is under examina- -lion, the question of implementation by SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: So, the other Departments do not arise. When the Minister should do something, and not matter has already been discussed with the merely threaten them from here. What does tyre manufac' urers; the details of rise in Government want to do in this regard ? prices of inputs are ascertained and the report BICP on previous occasions are there One of the major weaknesses in tbis why again and again the matter is referred regard is the continuous dependence on to the BICP, another wait for their report extema I sources for basic and even applied and then to take action? When all the technology in this industry. What are the facts are there, action can be taken imme- measures of redressal that Government wants diately. to take in this regard ? Another cause for this sickness is the 1 request the Hon. Minister to reply very high excess capacity, and some of it whether action is going to be taken, if so even illegally created. What is tbe attitude within how many days. The Hon. Minister of the Government to this question ? has just said that if anybody is interested s in importing these tyre , he can do so. But I t has been the practice in this House it is also said that by exporting the tyres, e.g. that the Railway Minister will say that the manufacturers have got a lot of profit- the Finance Minister is not giving money; some crores of rupees. So. it is but natural, the Finance Minister will say that Planning from the answers to presume that the prices Ministry is not giving the clearance etc. as if of imported tyres will be bigher than the there are 3 or 4 Prime Ministers, and under prices of indigenously manufactured tyres. them different Ministries are working. It is Is it . a fact? I want a clear answer from one Government. One is accusing the other. tbe Han. Minister whether the prices of Why don't they function in a coordinated imported tyres are more, or less than the manner and arrive at a concerted dicision prices of tyres-indigenous]y manufactured? in this regard? When the tyres are being imported and huge P19fit obtained, why not control the prices Regarding bigh prices etc., the Minister of tyres for local consumption in this can take up the matter with the financc 287 H. A. H. Dis. AUGUST 14, 1985 H. A, H. Dis. 288 Mmistry, and not give the explana- allegation tbat the lion. Member has ~lnado, tion, -viz.: "Omy the Pirutnct Ministry is that theSe rilaillifaciurers 'liavc "iiveg '1oi:Of responsible. What can I do 1" It is their money to the -ruling party and tlieiclorc :1he inteM1l1 matM'; and tbey sbo\'ltd settle it Government is deiiberateiy not 'takID. 'aciio'n aflU)ogst themselves and thn tome here with against them. • concerted and clear tli'proach, and not blaR\e "tfach other in different M·inistries. And SHRI NAltAIN CHOUBEY: It not 1.lso like to tROW whether the Hon. Minister 'lot' what is the amount given 1 will COftsider the case of common consumers SHRI VBERBNDRA PATIL : It WIlo use cycle tyres, mopeds and other is itb absolutely baseless allegation and tbinp. On those articles at least which are is an insinuation. It is not J fair on the part df Bled by the common people, will the Govern- any Hon. Member to make such allegations, tnent eonsider taking some steps so that their simply because'" he has the Uberty so prices can be controlled 1 These are my Sly whatever he wants in tbis House. (JUestions. About the monopoly tyre dealers, f WlVe SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: Three already said that the MIlTP C6mtnisM~b Hon. Members have sought clarifications. has gone into this matter and t~ MR1p The first member who sought the clarifica- after making an inquiry already issued a tion, I am 'sorry to say th"t, availed of the notice to some. That inquiry is go iog Such recommendations have to be referred DISCUSSION RE: REPORTED to tho~ Ministries for taking further action. ATROCITIES ON MEMBERS OF SCHEDULED CASTES AND SCHEDULED TRIBES IN UTTAR The Hon. Member wante4 to know as to PRADESH, ANDHRA PRADESH, why they are exporting. Are they getting more BIHAR, MADHYA PRADESH money by exporting? I can tell the House AND SOME OTHER PARTS OF that the international price of tyre is almost THE COUNTRY RESULTING one-third of the domestic price. So they IN SEVERAL DBA THS AND IN- are not making money by exporting. But JURIES TO MANY PERSONS there are other concessions which are attrac- -Contd. tive for them to export more and more. They are exporting tyres because with the [English1 export subsidy, they get duty-free import MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now, we facilities. They have better realisation in take up further discussion under Rule 193. export market than in domestic market. We have already exceeded the time allotted Import of tyres is under OOL. So, if any for this discussion. But some Hon. Mem- genuine person wants to import tyres he can bers want to express their views on this do so. . subject. I request them to be very brief. PROF. MEIJINLUNG KAMSON' With regard to monopoly I have already (Outer Manipur) : I will try to be very brief. made it clear that we are not for monopoly But I cannot leave the points which other but we are for breaking the monopoly. Member~ have not touched so far. An Hon. Member wanted to know as to Today, we are completing 38th year of why this matter is being referred again and our independence Tomorrow we will be again to BICP. This was referred once celebrating our 39th Independence Day. before the presentation of Budget because Under the Constitution, we profess secularism, there was an increase in prices. Whenever fraternity and all these things. But there is an increase in prices, we have to unfortunately, we have been seeing atrocities refer it to the BICP in order to see whether on certai n sections of the people in spite of the manufacturers are justified in increasing tbis principle of fraternity. This section of the price. Because of recent increase which the people is not enjoying the social equiality they have effected after the Budget, the and, therefore, it is a matter of shame for matter has been referred to BICP. The study us. At the same time, we have also got the has been going on. I cannot take any decision report that atrocity is on the increase. So on that unless I get an expert view in the many things are mentioned in the Report matter. I have already told the House that also. The crimes generally described as in tbe light of the report whatever action is atrocities, include murder, rape, assault and necessary or called for, we are prepared to violence resulting in grievou, hurt, arson and take that action. other offences punishable under the Indian Penal Code. Many Hon. Members have, mentioned much about these things yesterday, 'Another Hon. Member wanted to know so I do not want to go into detail on these. as to why we are always complaining about Although some Members have referred to high' taxes and we are not taking up the the number of crimes that have taken pJace matter with the Finance Ministry. So far as on Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. excise ~\lty is concerned, we have already yet I want to remind afresh because we are taken up the matter with the Finance again discussing it today. During the year Ministry. We have made out a case for 1984, there was a record number of crimes. giving some relief in excise duty. If. neces- The number of crimes committed on Scbedu\.. sary, '" will.. have further discussion with the led Castes is 15,936 and on Scbedu1t4 Finance Ministry. Tribes it is 4,223. Taking these figures into consideration, I think the problem is very. serious. Though we thinie that we are following democracy and are tryiDa to pvc 291 Dis. reo Atrocities AUGUST 14, 1985 Dis. reo Atrocities 292 on SC and ST on SC tlnd ST them not only political freedom but are also Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Mizoram trying to give them social freedom and social and Meghalaya, but they do not feel any sort democracy. b~t we have failed so far. There- of segregation, social inequality and all those fore, we have to strive again. With tbese things. When they learn that some sections social inequalities, I think democracy is cf the people in the mainland of the country incomplete. The very idea of inequalities, are suffering, they feel how they should go untouchability, atrocities or suppression is together with the main bulk of the society against the spirit of democracy. Therefore under such situations. It is because they we shall have to gear up action from the have had no experience H,ke that. So, they Government side as well as from the side of are very nluch conscious as to how they the public to put an end to these atrocities would be treated in the society. Therefore, and social inequalities. That is the point I the Hon. Minister should take note of it wanted to mention. and take measures so that people may not feel that way. I am not mentioning all that I wanted to mention because of the shortage of time. I would like to give some suggestions However, I again want to remind that the about how I would like the Government' to States where the atrocities are taking place look into that matter. First of all I would are Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar, point out that the Union Home Ministry had An4hra Pradesh, Maharashtra, Gujarat, issued certain guidelines to the States on Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Kerala, 6-9-1980 in this regard, but they are not Haryana and Punjab. States like Nagaland, being properly implemented. So, I would Mizoram, Manipur, Tripura, Assam and request the Minister to see that those Arunachal Pradesh, do not have any sort of guidelines are stricitly implemented. atrocities. So, I would like to point out Secondly I would like the Hon. Minister why there are no atrocities in these States to see that effective measure s are taken to and why it is there in other States. It is curb untouchability under the Protection of not the question of communalism only, there Civil Rights Act, 1985. is something deep-rooted inside. I would like to draw your attention to There have been some recommendations that side also in course of time but a t the also. They are: First, to set up special cell moment I would like to mention some of the for registration of crime cases and for proper major factors responsible for these atrocities. and correct investigation of the cases. But These factors are land disputes, minimum so far, I think, it has not been properly wages, old enmities, etc. Land disputes cover looked into. about 16 per cent of all the atrocities. Then comes tbe minimum wages. All these given Secondly, there was a recommendation to in the Report. It is mentioned here: "In set up special courts for expeditious disposal the past, the upper· castes and classes in the of untouchable cases. This recommendation rural areas were free to dominate over and also has not \x-en strictly followed. oppress these communities, economical1y as well as socially. There was no question of I would like to say that the land minimum wages or land ceilings in those disputes and demand for minimum wages days". Enlightenment began to come to being the mai n causes of atrocities. Special the 'masses on an unprecedented scale during measures should be taken to remove any the national movement for freedom and lacunae or loopholes in the land laws, so during the years after independence. There- that there is no conflict between the landlords fore, natura))y a conflict came between the and the Ja bourers. employer and the employee. So, this was the main reason. As I have just mentioned. Just as the Prime Minister has visited in the Eastern States, we do not have the renlote and Scheduled Castes and Scheduled atrocities, we do not have social distinctions Tribes a reas in Andhra Pradesh and Orissa because they do not have any sort of recently, I would suggest that all the eXpe~Dce in their history. Once again I Ministers should, as routine from time to want to draw the special attention of tbe time, visit all parts of the country so that Home Minister that there are Scheduled the suppressed c1ass must have some Tribes in Eastern India, fOf c~a~"le~ i~ ~nc~ura,emen t, ~93 D's. reo Atrocities SRA VANA 23, 1901 (SAKA) Dis. reo Atrocities 294 on SC and ST on SC and ST The last suggestion that I would like to [Translation] make is that the word Scheduled Caste shou\d be replaced by some other word SHRI BAPULAL MALV1V A (Shaja 60 because scheduled caste' has acquired pur) : Mr .. Chairman, Sir, I would like to religious stigma in a derogatory sense. It express my thanks to you for giving me an should be replaced by some other term like opportunity to participate in the discussion 'scheduled people' or 'scheduled class'. Of regarding atrocities on Harijans. course, the list of the people as under the category will be the same as it is today. Mr. Chairman, Sir, if you go through the discussion, you will find that this discussion There are so many other suggestions that is being held mainly about three States i.e. I wanted to make, but I could not because Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh...... of the shortage of time. SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA (Roberts- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You can ganj) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise on a point send your suggestions to the Hon. Minister. of order. An Hon. Member bas just now said that ... should be given·" If it has formed 19.00 hrs. part of the records, it should be expunged. SHRI CHINTA MOHAN (Tirupati): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank you very [English} much for giving me two minutes. I would MR. CHAIRMAN: I will examine it. like to make one small suggestion before you. I am not speaking from my party SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (Mahbub- angle. I would like to suggest you one thing nagar) : He does not mean it seriously. (rom my personal side. This is my personal opInion. In spite of 38 years of indepen- SHRI RAM PIYARE PANlKA: This dence the atrocities on backward classes, must be expunged. harijans and adivasis are continuing. We have given them sufficient time of reserva- MR. CHAIRMAN: I will exanline it. tion for 38 years. Let us see that they SHRI S. M. BHATTEM (Visbakha- should be given reservation for another 12 patnam) : He does Dot say it 00' party lines. years. If we cannot succeed in this direction, He has made it very clear. It is his penonal let us stop all this reservation to them. Let opinion. We do not subscribe to it as a party. us give * for the backward classes, harijans and adivasis. Let us see what is going to (Interruptions) happen to them. 1 am speaking from my personal side. (Interruption) I would like (Translation] to repeat it again, Sir. They, the backward classes, should be given * Jinnah fought for SHRI BAPULAL MALVIYA : Mr. it and got Pakistan. At the time of Chairman, Sir, it is a wrong feeling that separation of Pakistan, we aU said. we will Harijans might be given a separate p.ace. protect you, we will see that no injustice is Harijans are part of Hindu Community. TJley done to you. We promised them all these are residents of India and ••• things at that time. Now, let us give them a * instead of harassing them and doing SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY (Midna- all sorts of atrocities. Thank you. pore) : They are part of India. - [English] 19.01 MS. SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: Sir, it should (SHRI SOMNATH RATH in the Chair] also be expunged. SHRI PIYUS TIRAK Y (Alipurdwar): s at We don't subscribe to such opinion, Sir. [Tran / ion1 AN HON MEMBER : He is speaking in SHRI BAPULAL MALVIYA : I was listening to the views of the Hon. Members a lighter vein. *Not recorded. *Not recorded. /)ir. re. Alroeitles AUGUST 14, 198~ Dis. reo Atrocities on SC andST on SC and sr very attentively. After listening to their three types of moustaches-one is "lion" views I have felt that they have not given type, other is "curzon" type and yet anotber any concrete suggestion. They have been is drooping type. We have seen that if any simply shedding tears for Harijans and Harijan keeps "lion" t~ moustaches, he is Adivasis, but their tears are crocodile tears. beaten and Harijans are asked to keep droop- No good suggestion has been just forward for ing moustaches. I would request that the the benefit of Harijans and Adivasis. 1 would problem of untouchability should be dealt like to suggest that the posts reserved for with sternly. Harijans and Adivasis must be filled. We s~e that reserved posts for Harijans and Adivasis [English] bave not been filled even after 35 or 36 years of independence. We have also seen the MR. CHAIRMAN: Whatever you will injustice tbat many-caste Hindus have got the speak further will not go on record. jobs by producing fake Scbeduled Castes Certificates. It is a very serious matter. I [Translarion} would like to give an example in this regard. When I visited--:·,J)ewas in Madhya Pradesh, a SHRI BAPULAL MALVIYA : All right, person-complained that a certain person was Sir, I now resume my seat. Dot Harijan and has given the ae been *SHRI B. N. REDDY (Miryalguda): employment. As a result of his complaint, Mr. Chairman, Sir, the time at my disposal instead of holding any enquiry in the matter, is only 5 minutes. So I want to confine myself the complainant was removed . from service only to the Karamchedu incident. and he was told that his services were no longer required. Sir, at the outset I strongly conde~n the brutal killing of harijans in Karamchedu. 6 I would like to submit to you that a lot harijans were killed and many others were of atrocities are being perpetrated on Harija ns injured. On behalf of my party CPl (M), and and Adivasis. 1 have leceived a petition from on my own behalf I want to convey our Telephone industry at Bangalore near my heart felt condolences to the bereaved families constituency. There are 2,000 or 3,000 through this august House. Adivasis~ Atrocities are being perpetrated on them by caste Hindus. They have written to me The juJicial enquiry has been orderd by that their condition is very pitiable. They had the State Government. I hope the Report win also roported this matter to the Hon. Home be submitted soon and the peBons responsible Minister of Karnataka Government, but the for this brutal atrocity will be brought to State Government bas not paid any attention book. to their complaint. I would request the central Government to interfere in this matter and It is higly deplorable that some Congress- leaders in the State are trying to exploit tbe to check the atrocities on Harijans and I incident to their advantage. These Congress- Adivasis. There is a unit of Bharat Aluminium Limited at Korba in Madhya men are trying to camouflage tbe real issue Pradesh. The Harijans and Adivasis employees by giving it a communal colour. Sir, the real fight is between the rich landlords, and the of tbe unit have written to me that caste poor harijaos. When the poor harijans are Hindus barass them abuse t~em. They are also Dot given the promotion due to them. killed, the Congress-I is trying to exploit it When tbe turn (or promotion of Harijans and and is trying to use it as an excuse to create Adivasis comes, the meeting of D. P. C. is trouble for the Government in that State. They are trying to hide the brutal character DOt called. Direct recruits are appointed on these posts. As a result, the Harijans are being of the landlords by giving it a communal colour. deprived of their rights. I would like to submit that direct appointments should not Sir, the need of the hour is to extend aU be made for such vacancies. In my view the the help possible to the victims of this ghastly condition of Harijan5 (rom social point of view and brutal inciden~. Adequate compensation is very deplorable. They are badly depressed, has to be paid to aU those who have suffered. -suppressed and neglected. In tbe cities you will find that the people do not sport moust- *The speech originally delivered in aches but in the countryside you will find Te}ulu. Dis. reo Atrocities SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Dis. reo Atrocities 298 on SC and ST on SCand ST The N. T. R. Government is trying its best Instead of preaching the opposition to helJ! the victims. Unfortunately the Members, I want the Hon. Members belong- congressmen in the State are obstructing the ing to treasury benches to ask their own relief work. This attitude of Congressmen in Government as to what have they done for the State is most deplorable. liberating harijaos and girijans from the clutches of the landlords for all these years. Sir, Hon. Minister of State for Home Affairs, Shrimati Ram Dulari Sinha has visited Thanking you for giving me the opportu- Karamchedu. We have no objection to her nity, I conclude. visiting the place. She is the Home Minister and in tha t capacity she is within her right to [English] visit the place. But what is deplorable is that she acted in a manner which does not behave SHRI P. K. THUNGON (Arunachal her position. She has generated much contro- West) : Mr. Chairman Sir .•. vercy during her visit by threatening the central intervention. Sir, instead of a~suaging MR. CHAIRMAN: Please confine your the feelings of poor harijans and helping the speech within 5 minutes. State Government in the reHef work, she used SHRI P. K. THUNGON: I will try to this visit to threaten. N. T. Rarna Rao's finish in less than that time Sir, this is a very Government. She had gone there only to serious matter. As many of the Hon. Members make use of an opportunity to put the have already expressed, it is a sort of national Government run by a opposition party in shame that these atrocities are happening in trouble. The only aim of the Congress-l party some parts of our country. The main point seems to put the opposition Governments in whiCh we shall have to understand is that trouble at the slightest excuse. people shall have to be well informed and they shall have to have proper knowledge The sympathy shown by the Congressmen is about what is caste system. only superficial. They are not really interested in the cause of harijans. ~ympathy shown for As you are aware, caste system originated harijans in Karamchedu is not genuine. They from Manu Smriti, as some of the Members are shedding crocodile tears. We know too have expressed. But what does the Manu well what the Congress has done for harijans Smriti say? If YOU have a critical study ot when it was in power in Andhra Pradesh. Manu Smriti, you will see that one who rules The Vengal Rao Government butehered is Kshatriya; one who teaches and performs thousands of innocents in the name of radi- poojas is Brahmin, and those who are cals. Sir, it is strange to see the same engaged in business are Vysyas and the rest Congressmen espousing the cause of harijans of them are Sudras. now. Has the Manu Smriti mentioned Sir, the Congress party has been in the about women anywhere? No, therefore, if saddle right from independence barring a two we try to analyse, we will come to know that and a half year period of Janata what have the rest of people including the ladies fall they done in the past 38 years for the under the category of Sudras. According to harijans ? They could not do anything. The the Manu Smriti, ev~n children are also real issue is the clash between harijans and Sudras. the feudals. The best way to do justice to barijans is to implement land reforms. The These things are not understood by the land reforms go a long way in helping people and, therefore; some intrested section harijans to stand on their own legs, and of people try to take advantage of the liberate them from the clutches of the land- ignorance of" the masses and to create diffe- lords. I am sorry to say that the Government rences among people. at the Centre has failed miserably to imple- ment the land reforms. If at all, the Central You win agree with me that there are Government are sincere in protecting the educated sections of people amongst whom harijans from the cruel hands of landlords, it this difference is very much Jess. But is should, atleast now. take steps to implement prevalent particularly in the remote, far-flung the land reforms immediately. and backward areas and there alSo some of Dis. re. Atrocities AUGUST 14, 1985 Dis. reo Atrocities 300 on SC and ST on SC and ST tbe interested sections of people exploit those Secondly, we have the Scheduled Castes differences to their advantage. and Scheduled Tribes Commission. TbCre is no lack of good intention on the part of I would like to say that instead of criti- the Central Government or of any Govern- cising Manu Smriti, you should study i,t ment, for that matter, in the States also. properly. Everyone should be educated on The only defect has been that, in tbe Manu Smriti. implementation, these things are not properly (Interrnplions) either monitored or supervised ... MR. CHAIRMAN: Please try to Now I come to tbe Constitution. After conclude. making a proper study of all aspects, our Constitution-makers have given 'us SHRI P. K. THUNGON: I am going equality of opportunities. Equality of opportu- to give a few suggestions which the Hon. nity is given to each and every section of Minister may please note. society. This is to enable them to rise accord- ing to their capacity. The facilities which aae given should be implemented properly, in the proper perspec- You mus t know that this is stressed in tive and with sincerity. Then, in the Manu Smtiti. Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes Commission there are still a few Members Therefore, if we want tft understand the to be appointed. In this Commission, the Constitutions we have to understand Manu Members should be such people who are Smriti. According to the Constitution, we are really committed to the cause and who are -given equal opportunities. Accordingly, one reaUy active. I would lik.e to draw the can become a Brahmin, or an educationist, attention of the Hon. Home Minister to the or a ruler or Prime Minister or Minister or fact that he has two very active Members Chief Minister or a Kshatriya, according to at the moment who are doing very good one's capacity. work (Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: Now make your last point. MR. CHAIRMAN: There should be no SHRI P. K. THUNGON: The next cross-talking. You please go on. Don't pay point is about reservation. Regarding reser- any importance to what any other Member vation, as you are aware, there is a quota says. which has to be filled up. But in some (Interruptions) parts of our country in the name of reserva- tion SClme agitations are started. There is a lurking fear in the minds of the people SHRI P. K. THUNGON: I would like belonging to the Scheduled Castes and to put forth a few suggestions. As I' said it is Scheduled Tribes that there might be a because of certain drawbacks that some conspiracy; if their economic and social se~tions of people are ·looked down. There- standards are not raised by 1990, this august fore, the Constitution has given to them the House may not further extend the facilities. status of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Therefore, Government shall have to protect Tribes. these people and shall have to see that such feelings do not come in the minds of the . For Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. Tribes, socio-economic development is the main criterion. There are some nco- Another point which I would like to Buddhists wb9 are Harijans but because they mention is very sensitive. You may please have adopted a new religion, they have not note, Sir, and I would like to request the been given any facilities in many of the Hon. Minister also to note. I have my States. Not only the Central Government, personal experience that at the time of but the State Governments also should very placement of officers, it is quite often seen carefully consider tl\is, and they should be that proper justice is not done to tbe siv~ proper facilities. Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe officers. 301 Dis. reo Atrocities SRA V ANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Dis. reo Atrocities 302 on SC and ST on SC and ST For example, I would like to place a question We have yet to imbibe thc spirit before ~u: bow many Scheduled Tribe permeating the above couplet of Allama oflicers from the north-eastern region are Iqbal. The caste Hindus even now look there in the Ministries in the Government of down upon Scheduled castes and Scheduled India? Are they not to participate in our Tribes. In Muslim Community, all are equal. system? Is it that there should be parti- This question does not arise in Muslim cipation only by MPs and Ministers? The Community that so and so is Pathan, so and officers are also equalJy responsible, if not so is ('Sher" and so and so is Syed. All of more, in our system. Therefore, in the place- them are one and take food from the same ment of officers, justice should be done to thali or drink water from the same glass. them. Even today the casteism is so much rampant in the country that it is eating into the vitals Since there is no time, I shaH now c~me of our social life like termite and cancer. to my last point. Many Hon. Members It is the Muslim Community only where have already mentioned this. I would like there is no discrimination. to pointedly place a question before the Hon. Minister in respect of the directives which (Interruptions) were issued in 1980 for posting District Magistrates in sensitive areas from amongst SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI Scheduled. Caste and Scheduled Tribe officers (Adilabad) : It is not proper to speak in and also for speciaJ courts. I would like to terms of Hindu and Muslim. know how many States have accepted them and how many have not accepted them. If (Interruptions) they have not accepted, why they have not. In that case are you going to consider or SHRI MOHAMMAD MEHFOOJ ALI rethink on a constitutional amendment or on KHAN: It is the philosophy of Muslim a procedure through which you can compel Community that we eat from the same thali: them to follow the directives. Even now high castes hate the lower castes and do not anow them to enter the temples. The Sir, I have given many suggestions. I Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes have other suggestions also to give as the people are being suppressed very much even president of the Akhil Bharatiya Adivasi now. The Untouchability Act is not being Vikas Parishad. implemented even now. How many people have been challaned or sentenced to undergo- MR. CHAIRMAN: You please give it improvement. People have been fined or at in writing to the Home Minister. the most sentenced to undergo imprisonment for three months or six months. SHRI P. K. THUNGON: Since you have no time, I will meet the Hon'ble Minister and give it in writing. The Scheduled castes people have com- plained to us that they were not allowed to enter the temples or were not a]]owed to [Trans/at ion1 take bath at a particular pJa~ or were not allowed to enter a particular place. I Jive in SHRI MOHAMMAD MAHFOOJ ALI the countryside. I have myself witnessed KHAN (Etah) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would that atrocities are being perpetuated on them. not take much of your time, because Even now they are viewed as jamadars and discussion for five hours has already been sweepers. held yesterday and discussion is going on even to day. During the discussion one thing Now you corne to education. All the is bt-ing repeated again and again. I would activities of the Government are on the like to quote one couplet of Allama paper only. There is nothing in practice. Iqbal: Every thing is on the paper that Government has disbursed so much amount as loan, but . hEk hi sar men khade ho gaye how much amount of loan has actually been mehmood va aya), paid to them? Amount of loan is shown on No koi ba"da raha aur na koi papers to be Rs. 5,000/-, but they receive banda rrawDz.' Rs.4,000/- only. They are very poor. An 303 Dis. reo Atrocites AUGUST 14, 1985 Dis. reo Atrocities 304 on SC and SC on SC and ST amount of Rs. 1,000 is pocketed by the ceU should be created for them. A separate clerks and ·the loanees dare not complain force should be organised which should about it. They do not have courage to lodge comprise especially of Scheduled Castes a report in the. Police Station. They are and Scheduled Tribes. The posts reserved for so much scared of them. This Congress them in Government' Services should, which Government has to get the votes of the have not been filled so far, be filled and all Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes an.d sorts of human rights should be given to that is why such activities are shown on them and there should be no question of paper. caste or creed. An objection was made yesterday about One of our senior colleagues had object- N. T. Ramarao. What is going on there? ed to what I had said in the beginning but Is the same thing not happening in Uttar, there was no question of Hindu or Muslim Pradesh? Atrocities are being perpetrated in that. I had quoted a couplet whi'ch meant on them, they are beaten and are insulted. that our community has a quality which is It is their constitutional right and the lacking in your community. resolution regarding reservation was unanim- ously passed by this House on 18th March, SHRI MANIKRAO HODLY A GAVIT 1981 and all tbe Members of the entire (Nandurbar) : Sir, we have been discussing House had passed this resolution by standing since yesterday the atrocities and injustice in the House. In the history of this House, being perpetrated in the country against such a thing has happened only twice. On Harijans and Adivasis. I have carefully the issue of China also, the entire House listened to all the Hon. Members. In our had passed the resolution unanimously, Maharashtra, the benefits of reservation are Similarly the legislation regarding Scheduled being enjoyed by the non-Adivasis. This is Castes and Scheduled Tribes was passed atrocious that the non-Harijans are enjoying by the entire House unanimously on 18th the benefits in the name of Adivasis. People March, 1981. belonging to Koli Suryavanshi caste are enjoying the .benefits in the name of Koli Keeping in view the atrocities on Machhimar and Tokre Koli castes. The Scheduled Castes, more facilities should be people of Thakur castes, who are landlords provided to them. Now I would like to put are enjoying the benefits of reservation in forward certain suggestions. First, a separate the name of Langoti Clad Thakurs. The Ministry should be created for the welfare people belonging to a Third castes-Halwa of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. are enjoying the benefits of reservation in This issue has been raised on earlier occasions the name of Halwa Kushti. Besides, the' also and this is a serious problem. You people belonging to Manna Bagore caste are cannot suppress them in this manner ... enjoying the benefits meant for Adivasis in (Interruptions) Their population is 86 per the name of Mannekhar. Through you, cent of the total population ., (Interruptions). Sir, I request the Hon. Minister to get it Their strength is 86 per cent of the total looked into. population. They cannot be suppressed. They will raise their voice. There would be My second point is that non·Adivasis a change in their attitude. They are being are getting admissions in Medical and Engi- suppressed in India, which will bring about neering colleges in the name of Adivasis in revolution in the country. I would therefore, Maharashtra. The work relating to the submit that a separate Ministry may be set verification of certificates whether a person up for them. is Adivasi or not is done by the Director (Tribal Research). After a decision is given Secondly, anti-reservation movement by this office, the father or guardian of the may be dealt with sternly. Thirdly, the student files an appeal with the Additional D. Ms. and S. S. Ps. of areas where atroci- Commissioner (Tribal), Nasik and obtains ties are perpetrated on Scheduled Tribes, a certificate to the effect that he belongs Scheduled Castes and backward classes to Adivasi tribe. Thus, the benefits of should be transferred and if they are unable Adivasis are being enjoyed by non·Adivasis, to control such atroci ties, action shou Id be which is a great injustice and atrocity taken against them. Fourthly, a .separate against Adivasis so much so that even the lOS Dis. reo Atrocities SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Dis. rf!. Atrocities 306 on SC and ST on SC and ST election of M.L.A., M.P. or others on the 3,877. In Uttar Pradesh, it was 4279. The reserved seats are contested by non-Adivasis. same patron repeat itself year after year.1 OJ' DOt Similar". applications for allotment of have to inflict my speech upon all of )'OU by petrol pumps and ps agencies are submitted reeling out an facts and figures. ThO_ by the non-Adivasis in the name of Adivasis, is the case in regard to the Scheduled Tril,c,. and thus, they commit a great injustice against The same is the case in regard to tbe number Adivasis. of people killed belonging to Scbeduled Tribes. While drawing the attention of the Hon. In 1984, in Andhra Pradesh, upto Minister to all these points, I request that September 1984, 17 persons belonaiol to all these things should be inquired into and Scheduled Caste, were killed. In Bihar. up this injustice should be put to an end. to May, 1984, 9S persons betonainl to Scheduled Caste were killed. In Madilya [Eng/ish] Pradesh, up to November 1984, 118 penoM belonging to Scheduled Caste were killed. Iii SURI S. JAIPAL REDDY (Mahbub- Uttar Pradesh, the State of our Prime nagar) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, we have only Ministers, 213 persons belonging to Scheduled four bours to go for celebrating our Indepen- Caste were killed until November 1984. dence Day. It is really poigant and ironic tbat we should be discussing this increasing Sir, when Janatha Party just came t. pbenomenon of atrocities on scheduled castes power way back in 1977, a terrible incident and scheduled tribes. To my mind it is a took place at BeJchi. A dacoit gang perpetra~' matter of national shame. This sense of ted the crime. At that time, of course, our shame should be shared by all the political late Prime Minister chose to go by aD parties-both the ruling party and the elephant to that place. But then when the opposition. Congress came to power, and similar incidents took place at Sadbupur and Deoli. did Sir, I am one of those who believes that anybody at the level of the Central leaden- this question should not be approached at ship go there even by •. Sir, it is time all in a partisan spirit. If we study tile that we stopped politicising this IDIjor statistics ·we find that the statistics vary from national tragedy. place to place in the country depending not on the party but on the social conditions of [Trons lot ionJ the respective States. You will find tbat the rate of atrocities in U.P., Bihar and Madhya SHRI RAM PYARE PANIItA Pradesh is much higher than in other parts (Roberstganj) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, this is of the country. Andhra Pradesh, for unparliamentary language: it should. there- example, bas been ruled both by Congress fore, be expunged from the proceedinss. aad TOP. The change of parties made no ditterence to this phenomenon in Andhra AN HON. MEMBER: No, No. Pradesh. Same is the case with North Indian States. They were ruled by both [English] Jaoata party and Congress. That also made SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA: Sir. no difference to this phenomenon of atro- Mr. Reddy has used the word' which is cities. In 1980 the total number of crimes * unparliamentary. (lnterruptio"s) committed on scheduled castes in Andbra Pradesh was 152; in 1981 it was 206; in SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Sir I have 1982 it was 243 and in 1983 after TDP came not referred to anybody as • or aoybody it is 181. I am really sorry that after TOP as elephant. took over the rate did not come down silDificantly. But I would only like to point SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA: Sir. out that there is no difference because most this is unparliamentary and it must be of the political parties -1 am afraid including expunged from the record. (1"1e"",,,io_) tbe one I belong to-are perhaps under the MR. CHAIRMAN: I will examiDe inftuonce of some class factors. Take Bihar that. f or example. In 1980, the figure was as hia" as 1890. In Madhya Pradesh. it was ·Expunged as ordered by the' Chair. 307 Dis reo Atrocities AUGUST 14, 1985 Dis. reo Atrocities 308 on SC and ST on SC and ST SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Sir, there is in Andhra Pradesh and if you want to nothing to examine. interfere again, 1 have absoluteJy no objection, 1 would rather welcome it, because" tbat MR.. CHAIRMAN : I have heard you would only lead to clean burial of Congress and, J, will examine that. (1) at national level also. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Sir, as a My plea is that on this question, you Member from Andhra Pradesh, I hang my must develop a consensus. lt is basically a head down in shame for what happened in socio-economic issue. I have a few suggestions Karamcbedu and again within four months, it to make. happened in Kanpur district. All of us will Whenever any major incident involving to hang our heads down in sbame. I have deaths in Harijan or Girijan families occur, have made a plea just now for a consensus let us make it a point to st!e that these on this question and see that we stop politicis- atrocities are invariably followed by a iog the whole question. Our Minister of judicial enquiry. Let the judicial enquiry be State for Home Affairs, Shrimati Sinha" headed by a District Judge. Let us develop went to Andhra Pradesh. None of us can this consensus. It is a social problem. It really object ...... t1nterruptions) therefore, suggest that the Parliament should enact a legislation to see that the scheduled [Translation] castes are provided with a quota in respect of the profession of poojaris. Unless- the SURI R.P. SUMAN (Akbarpur): She Harijans are given absolute equality with has ,every right to go there. reference to what happens in the temples, I do not think, the social evil can be put an [Eng/ish] end to. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: We cannot Now, the Home Minister would shed a object to her visit but with regard to the lot of crocodile tears, but I w('uld like to ask manner in which she made the visit, I wou1d one last question, as to why the post of like to put a few questions. I would like to Commissioner for Scheduled Castes and know nom the Home Minister as to whether, Scheduled Tribes at the national level has sbe informed •• been kept unfilled for the last one and a half years. [Translation] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [T,.ans/at ion] MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- SHRI BARISH RAWAT (Almora): MATI RAM DULARl SINHA) : They were Mr. Chairman, Sir, the matter of atrocities informed. on Harijans is not a matter of sorrow for a particular person or for a particular party [English] or a section of the people; it is a matter of great shame for all of us, for the entire SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I do not country, the country of Budha and Gandhi. want the Home Minister to disturb me Atrocities on Hatijan~ are mostly perpetrated without even rising in her seat. I would in the States which have lived under the like to know, whether she informed the State influence of feudalistic system and where Government before visiting that place, influence of caste has been rather more. We w~ther it is not a fact that she accused the cao do away with the caste system with Home, Minister and the Chief Minister of social- awakening, it cannot be abolished Andhra Pradesh of casteism and whether it through legislation. Today, the awareness is not a fact that she threatened that the created among Harijans for economic Central Government would interfere in upliftrnenl through the efforts of the Govern- Andhra Pradesh. May I tell you that the ment has hit the economic interests of a Central Government did interfere in 1984 particu1ar section and it is this section of and you must remember what happenf"d to the people which is committing atrocities you in 1984 because of that interference? against - Harijans. When Harijans ask for wa~ b\lri~d The Congress (I) fatbonl deep ~ - their. - right,_. an attempt is made to hit tbem .. his. reo Atrocities SRAVANA 23, 1907 (5AKA) Dis. reo Atrocllies 310 on SC and ST on SC and ST I would like to request the Hon. Home Girijans of Bihar. When atrocities were Ministe,r to identify such areas where maxi- perpetrated on Girijans in Bihar, she went mum atrocities are perpetrated on Harijans. there also, when excesses were committed ~1J Harijans in Andhra Pradesh, she went there You will find that the areas where too. My friends should not give it a politi- atrocities on Harijans are perpetrated most cal colour. We are discussing here i~ the a're areas where land reforms have not been House the important subject, like, atrocities jmplemented rigorously. These are the areas on Harijans, and their welfare. They shopkl where Harijans are oppressed and Govern- not try to dilute this subject by bringing in ment are trying to uplift them; where pro- such things. grammes are being run to carry them for- ward; it it these areas where excesses are In the end, I would say that the ~ atroci- - being committed mostly. Therefore, I want ties on Harijans, wherever they are perpetra- that you should appoint such officers in ted should be suppressed with a heavy band these areas who are committed to the uplift- by the State Government whether it is the ment of Harijans, who are committed to congress party's Government or Government your policies and who are committed to of any other party. bring about land reforms. *SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA (Bala- It is getting quite late now. If I speak sore) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am grateful to at length a t this moment, it wiil also be an you for having given me the opportunity to atrocity. speak at the fag end of the debate, Sir, 1 would like to speak in the mother. tonsu~ This House has discussed the issues of Oriya for which I have already intimated. Harijans a number of times and even the Mr Chairman, Sir, we have been discus- Member belonging to Congress Party have sing under rule 193 the reported atrocities criticised the Government. If you go through on the member of the Scheduled Caste and today's or yesterday's proceedings, you will Scheduled Tribes since yesterday. I have' find that our Party Members have not been been listening to the speeches made by the found wanting in the matter of criticising Hon. Members from opposition parties. the Government. But, my friends in the I am sorry to say that some of them have Opposition, whose love for Harijans is given political colour to this issue. How- newly born, have tried to indulge in mud- ever, I agree with Shri Jaipal Reddy that slinging on Congress Members and have this is a social evil. A very few of us have attempted to prove that there is no love for tried to find out the reasons of the atrocities Harijans among the Members belonging to on these communities. In my humble-' the Congress Party. I would like to say opinion poverty and lack of education are that the Jove for Harijans among the congress- the main reasons for ataocities on SC &: ST.' men is as old as the freedom struggle. Efforts have been made by the Government Mahatma Gandhi, Pandit Nehru and other for spreading education among them. A' leaders always kept upliftment of the number of schemes have been launched to Harijans and the poor lin ked with the raise their economic status. But these freedom struggle. Nobody asked Mahatma schemes have not produced any effect or Gandhi, Pandit lawaharlal Nehru, Shrimati improved their standard of living to' the Indira Gandhi their caste right from the days extent we expected. They are stilI poor and of feeedom struggle till they died. Nobody passing their days in grrat poverty. I thank' asks Sbri Rajiv Gandhi because his caste, the Government for launching special com-; is humanity. All Congressmen have inheri- ponent plan and tribal sub-plan exclusively ted these virtues and they have been brought for the welfare of scheduled caste and up in this tradition. scheduled tribes. Special central assistance' is also being given to raise their economic Now, it will not be proper to say why condition. The Scheduled Castes ··and Sbrimati R8m DuJari Sinha went to Andhra Scheduled Tribes are also covered under ibt1 Pradesh. Shrimati Sinha belongs to the Integrated Rural Deve)opmenf Programme, Congress Party and has been held in national rural employment programme, rural congress traditions. Moreover, she is a women. She bas same love for Harijans of *The speech was originally delivered in' Andhra Pradesh as she bas love for Oriya. ~11 Dis. reo AtrocIties AUGUST 14, 1985 DIs. reo Atrocilles 312 on SC and ST on SC and ST landless emp)oyment guarantee programme, appreciate the guidelines sellt by Hon. Home billy area' development programme and Minister to the Chief Ministers of different inteJrated tribal development programme etc. States on 15th April 1985. Despite aU these But it is resrettable that these programn1cs measures taken by the Government some of the are not implemented proper Iy. The money opposition members are unnecessarily critisinl spent on implementing these programmes in the Centre for the non-implementation of different plans has not reached the b~nefi the welfare programmes in the Scheduled ciarics in many areas. That is the reason Caste and Sl.heduled Tribe populated areas. wlt1 the condition of these people have not improved upto tbe expectation. Therefore Sir, there are some more reasons it is our first and foremost duty to raise responsible for the atrocities on harijans and them above poverty line and also to spread adivasis. The non-implementation of land c~~tion among them so that they will be reform acts enacted by the State Governments ablC to defend themselves. were some of those reasons. Sir, many State Govts, have passed legislation on land In this conte~t, I would like to make a reforms which have become Act subsequently. mention of the efforts made by our late Most of those land reforms acts are pro- beloved Prime Minister Smt. Indira Gandhi gressive. But those acts are not implemented for the upliftment of these downtrodden in many States effectively. Therefore, people. She had made all possible efforts to adivasis and harijans are not getting due raise tbeir status tiJl her Jast breath. It is protection. I request the Home Minister to IOOd that the present Prime Minister Shri issue fresh guidelines to the States where Rajiv Gandhi bas determined to work for such land reforms acts have not been tbe welfare of these. people. He is taking implemented properly. k.C!en interest in the perfect implementation of varjous welfare programmes introduced Sir, the non-payment of minimum wages for these communities. Recently he visited to the agricultural workers is also another many areas in different States where Adivasis reason of growing discontentment among and Harija'ns are living in large number. He them. In mnny States there is great _ . even to the inaccessible areas and discrimination in the payment of wages to ~lked -to tbe people. He aSked them about the agricultural workers. In some States the ~ problems, he saw their misery and wages are paid to them according to tbe wUi6ed how far the programmes launched minimum wages fixed by that State Govt. fo( tbe welfare of these people are being But the same amount of wages are not paid itUple~ted. I think the whole House will in other areas of the same States. As you appreciate tbe steps being taken by our are aware, the agriculture workers mainly present Prime Minister to remove the belong to scheduled castes and scheduled pioblem of these people. I request the tribes. Therefore this disparity should be _ber of all parties to extend their kind removed as early as possible. We should take ~tion to our Prime Minister in his it as a movement. Then only the atrocities eirPrts to improve the condition of these win come to an end. pCOple. We sbould accept it as a movement, Addressing a large gathering of students Sit, we know that the maintenance of once, the first Prime Minister of India Pt. law and order and implementation of various lawaharlal Nehru had said, I quote: *tral schemes in tcibal areas are primar ily "If they wanted to bring about a ~ responsibility of the State Government. revolution in the country they must T. Ceqtr.l GQveroment allocates funjs and first bring about a revolution in tbe "vile the State Governments to implement minds of the people through education tJaoIc proarammes effectively. But it is the and culture." ... Governments who are overall (I in .. of implementing these programmes. Therefore, greater emphasis is to be laid 'i1Mreofore it is not proper to blame the on spreading litracy among them. It is good ceoue if any such tribal welfare programme that our b.!loved Prime Minister Shri Rajv ·it DOt itdpIemented properly in any particular Gandhi has given a call to cbange our educa- State. My friends from opposition who are tion policy and also the method of teaching. iavolved in mud slinging will certainly Sir, the adivasi and barijans are not different 313 IJ's. Te. Alrocities SRAV ANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Dis. reo Atrocities 314 on SC and ST on SC and ST from us. They are also the children of when Janata Govt. ,was in power. Our late God. IIn the olden days there was caste. Prime Minister Smt. lndira Gandhi was not system in our society. The people engaged in power at that time. When she got the in war were called Kshyatriyas, the trading news 0 f atrocities on harijans she had visited communities were called as Vaisbya. A the areas where harijans were affected. She group of people who were engaged in unclean went to many inaccessible areas, met the occupation and similar type of works were affected people and demanded the then Govt. called Shudras who were subsequently called to provide adequate protection and relief to barijans. They were considered as untoucha- those people. be. But the colour of the blood of tbose people are the same as us. In no respect Sir, a lot of things have been said about they are inferior to us. Therefore, they the reasons of the atrocities on SC & ST. I should not be treated as untouchab!e. We would like to give the reasons of some such shouJd not look down upon them. The incidents of atrocities on SC & ST in Orissa. message of equality should be spread among As you are a ware, Orissa has second largest the children. The syllabus right from percentage of SC & ST population in India. Kinder Garden upto post Graduate level Thele are many districts in Orissa like should contain such ideas. The message of Kalahandi, Phulbani and K0raput where the father of the nation, Mahatma Gandhi the SC & ST people are passing their days towards harijan should be widely circulated in misery. 38 years ha\e passed since we among all. If aU these things get due place achie"ed our independence. But there has in the courses of study the feeling of not been any rema} kable improvement in untouchability will be removed from their standard of Ih'ing. My friends from the minds of the cbildern. The feeling the opposition may blame our party for their of love and affection will be generated misery. But I would like to tell them that in the hearts of those students who are other the representati,,'es of non-Congress parties than barijans. So, I ~uggest to the Go\-t. to were getting elected from Kalabandi, frame the sylJabus, of schools and col1eges Phulbani, Balongjr and Koraput districts in keeping an these thin~s in view. The Orissa for 15 to 18 years. The Centrai Education Minister is not here. I hope the Govt. bad introduced a number of schemes Home Minister will pass on this matter to for the welfare of SC & ST in those areas. him. But the non-Congress MPs and MLAs getting elected since independence from those' Now, I would like to give a few sugges- areas were not keen to raise the status of tions to end the atrocities on harijans and those people. They had kept them in adivasis. Firstly. the atrocity prone areas darkness for all those years. The Congress should be identified and adequate police Party MPs and MLAs got elected from those p~rsonDel s~ould be posted at these places. areas only in 1980. The non -Congress Taking tbt gravity of the situation into party representative had created a total mess account police stations or at least police posts in those areas. However, our Congress party. should be opened in some places. representatives are now making sincere efforts to raise those people from below the poverty Secondly, the funds earmarked for line. You must have now been convinced implementing the welfare schemes, in tribal about the reasons for the backwardness of and harijan populated areas should not be those people. diverted towards other works. Action should be taken apinst the persons involved in the Mr. Chairman, Sir, you belong to Orissa. misappropriation of funds allocated for So you very well know the condition of tbose' implementing the tribal welfare programmes. people. Our late Prime Minister Smt. All the schemes meant for the upliftment of Indira Gandh i has visited several times to SC &: ST should be completed with the time those areas during her life time. Sbe visited' schedule. those areas during the last two days of her life. Our present Prime Minister Rajiv Sir. some Hon. Members of opposition Gandhi bas gone to those areas twice, once have blamed tbe Govt. for reported attrocities last year and again recently. During his on SC ~ ST. But they are not taking into recent visit to Orissa he had personally gone account the atrocities committed on SC & ST to their small huts and gathered first hand 315 bis. reo Atrocities AUGUSt 14, 1985 Dis. reo Atrocities on SC and ST on SC and ST knowledge about the success achieved in even in humour. He bas said all tbis without implementation of various welfare schemes applying his mind to' it and it is not lood meant for them. So you will certainly saying all these thing; we strongly condemn appreciate the sincere efforts made by it, oppose it. Besides, I also move in this our Prime Minister in removal of their House that his words should be expunged poverty. from the record of the proceedings. You get it examined and expunge it from the record. Sir) Congress in the only party who has really done something for the upliftment of The atrocities on Harijans and Girijans scheduled caste and scheduled tribes. I am were discussed in the House yesterday and proud that I am a- member of that party and the discussion continues today also. Many I have been winning the elections with Hon. Member from either side have partici- Congress ticket. The dedication of Nehru pated in the debate and expressed their family to the country is very significant. The views. It is heartening to note that cutting citizens of this country cannot forget the across party line, the Member belonging to role played by Nehru family in the freedom the Congress, particu1arly Harijans and Girijan of India. The contribution made by this Members, have participated in the discussion great family in the upliftment of the millions in all seriousness and have expressed their of downtrodden including SC & ST is views in a bel anced manner. There were a remarkable. The people of this country will few heated arguments also, but it was not due well remember the devotion and dedication to them; the persons generating this heat were of Smt. Indira Gandhi for many years to some others. This heat was uncalled for. In corne. spite of this, some remarks were made due to which temper ran high in the House. These Lastly Sir, I would like to a ppeal once remarks remain a part of the proceedings again to the Hon. Members of opposition and, as such, they must be oprosed. There- to give up the idea of holding the Govt. fore, when I say this, I do not intend to responsible for the reported atrocities repeat the entire tbing, nor do I want to on SC & ST in different States. They repeat the points raised by some Members should carry the message of Mahatma Gandhi in the House. to the remote corners in the country where people belonging to those communities ar~ living. Again I would like to request the 1 do not want to go into the figures. Govt. to frame the courses of study in schools Although a lot of figures have been given in and colleges right from Kinder Garden upto the House. Just now, my friend Sbri Jaipal Post Graduate level in such a way that the Reddy has furnished some s~atistjcs; I do not students who are the future of the nation want to go into them nor I need them. But, I will be adequately educa ted in creating am certainly concerned about the controversy friendly relations among each other. They which has been raised here unnecessarily. will work for tbe abolition of caste system Had my Hon. friend, Shri Chavan gone there and tbe feeling of untouchability will be in his capacity as the' Union Home Minister, removed from tbe minds of the people we would have felt very happy and I am sure for ever. With these words I conclude my this controversy would not ba ve arisen at all speech. because be is a sensible person and be knows what to speak and when to speak. He also SHRI C. MADHAV REDDY (Adila- knows how much should be tolerated and he bad) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, at the outset, I has immense patience. When did we say that 6tronaly condemn what Dr. Mohan-a you cannot visit Andhra Pradesh ? Entire t4ember of our party -bas said in his speech. country is yours. It should be undentood well tbat the Andhra Pradesh Government an4 Centre are not two separate identities; tbey [English] are one. Government remains the Government I want to set the record right by saying, irrespective of the party to which it belongs. tbat we are opposed to this type of thing. The Congress party and our party are separate in the state. We can fight with each (Translation] other, accuse each other but Government will remain there. The Constitution under which. He should not have said such a thing you have come to power t tbe same Constitu·' 317 Dis. reo Atrocities SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Dis. reo Atrocities 318 on SC and ST on SC and ST tiOD allows our Government in the state. MR. CHAIRMAN: Please do not After Ill. she could have met the state address her as .•. • ••• That will not 80 Government. If she did not wish to meet the on record. Minister or inform him, the Home Seceretary could have been called and consulted. But it SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Wbat did ·seems that when she left this place, she had I say? made up her mind to accuse the State Government and condemn its actions. What MR. CHAIRMAN: The word ... *... also could have been the need to say such is expunged. Please address her as Minister. things .. (Interruptions) when we later spoke That will not remain in the record. to Rajivji he said. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Mr. Reddy [English) bas said ... *. .. "She has created a mess." MR. CHAIRMAN: I have already given my ruling tha t the word' ... * ' ... will not go on record. [Trans/at ion] These were his words which he himself SHRI HARISH RAWAT: He bas used utterred. the words' ...... • SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora) : SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I said ...• Madhav Reddi Sahib, even when the State courage'. Government was informed beforehand of MR. CHAIRMAN: You address her as the arrival of Minister of State for Home Minister, not as That is not the still no arrangements were made to give be; * way. Please address in a dignified way. No befitting reception. You have said nothing about it. more interventions. Nothing else will go on record. Mr. Madhav Reddy, please continue your speech. (English] SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I said' THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY courage' .•. (Interruptions) AFFAIRS (SHRI H. K. L. BHAGAT) : Mr. Madhav Reddi, you are a very senior MR. CHAIRMAN : Let him not 10 on Member. You refer to the Home Minister. record. It will not go on record. Please do not bring the Prime Minister here like that. This is not fair. MR. CHAIRMAN: I bave given my ruling. Please take your seat. [Trans/at ion] AN HON. MEMBER: What is the SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA : ruling? There, there people asked. "Why has she come here .?" The State Home Minister issued MR. CHAIRMAN: If you read the a statement to this effect which appeared in procedings you will know. all the news papers there. SHRI RAM PY ARE PANIKA: What [English] is tbe ruling ? He has to withdraw the words. (Interruptions) ... SHitI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Let her speak, Sir. For the first time after six hours of debate, ..... (lnle"uption) MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Madhav Reddy, you continue. You cpntinue your speech. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDY : She has Nothing else will go on record. opened her mouth .. MR. CHAIRMAN: Please take your SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: This ...•.•• seat. Do not interfere. No more interruptions. picked up courqe in both her hands, * Let her 10 011 record. *ExPUDSeO as ordered by the Chair. 31~ Dis. reo Atrocities AUGUST 14, 1985 Dis. re. Atrocities 320 on SC and ST on SC and ST [Trans/at ion 1 Venkateshwar who is the son-in-law of Shri N. T. Rama Rao has been elected frem. SHRI C. MAOHAVA REOOI: Sir, I there. I would like to tell you tllat 'SIIri do not want to utter strong words against Venkateshwar bas not been elected from Sbrimati Sinha. Wben I look at her, I am there; tbis is not his constituency. He_, reminded of my friend, her husband with been elected from another village. He does whom I have worked. He was in our Party. not live in his village. This is known to bim My submission is that there should be no then why is be trying to give political colour misunderstanding from Government to to this matter? Mr. Cbairman, Sir, for the Government level, and whenever Shrimati last two months new energy is being infused Sinha visits Andhra Pradesh, she goes there into the Congress Party of the State. Sbri in her capacity as a Minister. All' the Vengal Rao has been nominated as the Ministers of the State and the Chief Minister President. He has been trying to do tbis. It would go along with her. It so happened is a good thing, let him do it. He meets that when the State Home Minister went people and goes from place to place, tbus to her along with a report, she threw away reviving the name of the Party. But for the the report. Sir, I am very sorry to say that past two months the tirade he has started in you have been elected to Lok Sabha for the the press against the Government, he does first time and you should learn many things not want to leave any chance : ( 'nterruptions) English] (&tUsh) -because they would like to beat the Government with any stick and that too SHRI K. S. RAO : I was a witness. below the belt. MR. CHAIRMAN : Hon. Minister will reply to it. You please hear the Hon. Translation1 Member. Hon. Minister will reply to it. You should try to understand these things because these things are such tbat : [Translation] SHRI C.MADHAV A REDOI : You should [English] have thought before you had spoken. You -you are playing with fire. should know what is true and what is false as also what you should speak and what not. [Translation] Sbri Sambshiv Rao said such things yeSterday which he should not have said. He He makes a lot of fuss about Harijans. said that he was a relation of Shri N. T. A 'Bandh' throughout the State was observed Rama Rao. Who does not have relations? for tbe first time after this Harijan issue. Don't you have relations (Interruptions) They say that it was very successful. We agree tbat you have the mass appeal and as (&gUIIr] a result of this we were defamed. Bec&UII you were powerful, you made it sUcceastuJ. MR. CHAIRMAN: Hon. Minister will You are not still able to understand that reply to it. Please hear the Hon. Member. there was nobody against this "Bandh" Why should we oppose it. We are not apinst SHRI K. S. RAO : I never said that it is the Harijans. We are friends of Harijans a relation of N. T. Rama Rao. Let us see if and, therefore, we condemn it. WheaC\'er there" is any word about it. Please do not there has been atrocities on Harijam, our say tbe wrong sentences. I never said it. Government has condemned it. They bad asked for a judicia] inquiry into the matter. [Translation] The first person to reach the spot was tbe Chief Minister and the same day- StI&1 C. MADHAVA REDDl: 1 am (EnglishJ Dot -. leader, but I think that there is no leader who does not have some relation or -on the spot he has declared a j~d~c~al the other in "iHages. He also said that Shri inquiry. 321 Dis. reo Atrocities SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Dis. reo Atrocities 322 on SC and ST on SC and ST [T,on.rlatlon) [Translat ion] What bappened thereafter? If we had The Harijans have been forced not to been at fault we would have been afraid, but accept the sanctioned amount as they have we were not. The judicial inquiry will probe been promised by Congressmen that they into the matter. Shri N. T. Rama Rao has would get them more relief from the Central not shown any interest in the matter. Do Government. We would be happy if they you think that if the judicial inquiry proves can do so. (Interruptions) it, N T R will remain in office even for a single day? SHRI HARISH RAWAT: The fact is that, the day the State Government announc- [English] ed relief, the concerned Collector, went to_ the villages but the Harijans refused to accept - He will be the first person to resign. it. How are the Congressmen to blame for that? [Translation] . SHRI C. MADHAVA REDDI: Why does anyone refuse the sanctioned relief And that is why he was not afraid. He amount? There must be someone behind immediately declared a judicial inquiry into it, who must have promised them to more. the matter. You took the credit for that. Has any State Government instituted a judicial The Congress has the funds and if it is inquiry so far on the atrocities on Harijans willing to pay even one lakh rupees, it is a without any agitation ? different matter. If we had the funds we too could have distributed it, because any The Government was asked to change relief amount is too low for the loss to be the Judge who was conducting the judicial compensated. I am glad that Congress and inquiry as the congress felt that he whould not the Prime Minister's Relief Fund has sanc· be able to do justice. The Judge was nomi- tioned the amount. But do not insist that nated by the Chief Justice of the State and the State Government's fund will not be still Shri Rama Rao accepted that - he will accepted. They have not accepted relief do the needful. The Congress wa'nted that a amount from us so far ... Supreme Court Judge should head the inquiry and it was accepted. (lnlenup tions) We made a mistake and we are repent- SHRI RAM PY ARE PANIKA: It is ing for it. An all-party meeting was called not good that they are repeatedly mentioning by Shri Rama Rao and there too, the the Hon. Prime Minister in this matter. Congress exaggerated the things. Twice the We had wished to go there as a goodwill meeting was called and the Chief Minister gesture but the Hon. Prime Minister advised categorically stated that he does not want us not to go there, as there was no such any party politics in the matters concerning need. It is unbecoming of them to bring Harijans. The Congress Leaders accepted it in the name of Hon. Prime Minister in such and I am happy that peace has returned a way. there. But now efforts are being made to force the Harijans not to accept the relief SHRI C. MADHA V REDDI : We want that you should ._ go there, Shrimati Sinha amount that has been declared by the State Government. It is not good because that and every body else should also go there. money does not belong to Shri Rama Rao She had said that she would like to visii it or to any body else. It is Government fund, once again. She must go there. We would it is your own money. )ike to accompany her. You should also certainly go there and I also invite the Home Minister to go there. The Home Secretary [Englis,,] should also be sent there. Is the Govern- ment at fault by announcing the relief or is After all, aU the money comes from the there any shortcoming in the relief 'l What 6am~ au)'. more do you want, please tell us. We are 323 Dis. reo Atrocities AUGUST 14, 1985 Dis. re. Atrocities 324 on SC and ST on SC and ST ready to implement it. Why do you want very valuable suggestions. If I have to refer a confrontation? We want to avoid the to some of the points which the Hon. ct)nfrontation and work for the benefit of Members have made, the pith and substance the masses. The Government of Shri N. T. of the entire thing is that the ideas are very Rama Rao wants to join hands with you in good but the schemes have not been this task. Even on such occasions, there implemented. That is the pith and substance are some ignorant people in both the if I have understood the Hon. Members parties-I would not like to name thero- correctly. In fact, I was expecting that some who create the trouble. They do not make of the Hon. Members will throw light on it successful. There are such ignorant people this aspect· of the question also. The Central who try to create trouble in the villages Government is giving the guidelines request- when such situation arises. They are well- ing State Governments and the Union to-de people belonging to upper casts. We Territory Administrations to implement the have to hang our heads in shame because guidelines in the spirit in which they have of 'them. Therefore, we should be cautious been given. I wont't bother as to what of these ignorant people and they should some of the Members might say. These are be severely punished. Someone has aptly crocodile tears. Rather I would say that is said: the patent phraseology which some of the Hon. Members are used to. "Phool ki patti se cut sakta Hai Heere ka jigar, So, we do not take serious note of these Marde nadan par ka/arne narm things. We need not even get disturbed on va nazuk beasar." that. That is a style of speaking of some of the Hon. Members. At least I would Counselling will have no effect on them, not be disturbed by that sort of phraseology. only punishment wHI work. Sir, I would expect from the HOD. [English) Members a reply as to what is the kind of job that they expect from the Central SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE (Pan- Government, if, by any chance, the State skura) : Sir, at the tail end, I must pick up Governments fail to implement some of the courage in both hands for what I want to place. policy issues .. This is the crux of the I come from a State where everybody will problem. We will have to find a suitable agree that atrocities on Harijans and Adivasis reply to this. I will be very have happy if are not taking place in general. So, I would this is not just to win over point from you like to put on record the principal reason that you have said. That is why I am trying for that and want to draw the attention of to contradict. In fact, these are realities of the House towards that principal reason. the situation we cannot run away from. I It is through millitant land struggle of do not think that any of the State Govern- Adivasis and Harijans and non-Adivasi poor ments can posslbly make a claim that this peasants and agricultural labourers which situation has arisen in this State or it has bas contributed in putting down any case of increased when this party came or it has atrocity in my State ~nd I be1ieve that is the decreased when the other party came. I do key to protect the Harjans, that is the key not think that it has anything to do with the to protect the Adivasis, and really once again parties which are running the State Govern- we must put aU our steps in building up our ment or for that matter even the Central militant struggle for land reforms with Government if I were to use that word. Ulti- Adivasis, Harijans and non-Adivasis, nOn- mately it is the social structure in which we Harijans, poor peasants and confronttng are functioning. We know it for certain that them with the castist landlords. That is the actuaUy this is a social problem and unneces- key and that we must remember. sarily we are trying to generate beat for nothing. So far as we are concerned, I can THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS very well appreciate the point which some (SHRf S.B. CHAVAN): Mr. Chairman, Sir, of the Hon. Members make that let us keep I must express my gratitude to all the Hon. this above party affiliations, and approach Members on both sides of the House who the problem in a non·partisan spirit. Though have participated in this djsc~sjon and made we sa)' so, but ultimately there aro tcmpta .. 32S his. reo Atrocities SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Dir. reo Atrocities 326 on SC and ST on SC and ST tions which we cannot resist and we say in if he tries to show his self-respect. We feel tbis., State this happened because this man hurt. It is a real1y surprising thing. A belonging to this party was there. man is trying to assert himself, showing his self-respect. We should be bappy about On one side we say we keep this issue it. But on the other hand we feel burt. aloof and at the same time we are also Here is a man who is trying to raise bis trying to involve some party or the other. head. What is wrong with it? We want One of the young friends who spoke, most him to raise his head we want him to probably for the first time and he is a young be self-respecting. We want him to assert man who was elected for the first time, Shri himself. Unfortunate1y the social system is Madhav Reddy, I am very happy put the such that whatever we might say, our class record straight by saying that his party does and colour and will definitely get itself not subscribe to his view. Even as a matter reflected in some action or the other, in of joke also, I do not know whether he has different manners, knowingly, unknowingly, understood it. He is still laughing at it. unwittingly. We cannot forget it. Unfortu- I do not think that he has realised what he nately that is the position. That is why let has said. It is the gravest thing that you us adjust ourselves to this position that for have said. It is the most dangerous thing. generations injustice has been inflicted on I think neither his Party nor anyone of his this section of these people. Even if with friends would also subscribe to the point of some anger they were to assert themselves, view which he has. I am prepared to take we should feel happy that he is asserting it that he has said erroneously in a very himself. But unfortunately we try to assert lighter vein. Let us not attach too much the wrong way and do not assist the person. importance to it. I am prepared to accept I know for certain that there are some areas that position. where the Land Ceiling Act has not been fully implemented in the correct manner. If the Hon. Members are interested I In fact there is nothing to hide from the would have given a very lengthy reply, but Hon. Members also. I have written to some actually I ha ve got to go for a very important of the Chief Ministers saying that in our engagement. That is why I am sorry I country there are areas where the Naxalite would not be able to devote the time which, problem is on the increase. I have requested in fact, I should have. them to approach this problem in a two- pronged attack -manner. One will be In the guidelines itself, this has been implementation of all the poverty alleviation made clear that there are three or four programmes including the land reforms. reasons as to why this kind of Scheduled Give them whatever is due. Unfortunately Caste antagonism is prevalent in certain in our poverty alleviation programme though areas. One is about the land reforms and we are spending the money all right, it is not its implications. Another is the minimum reaching them. We are aware of this fact. agricultural wages which need to be paid to When I was in the Planning Commission, I these people. Sometimes people are tempted have been repeatedly saying this, requesting to compare conditions prevailing before all the State Governments. It is not that independence and conditions as they are the monitoring system is not there. At the today; and erroneously sometimes we pass Central level, the Home Ministry, there is a judgment that things were far better when monitoring. In the Planning Commission, the Britishers were ruling, not knowing fully there is a monitoring system. At the State that the Britishers protected all the vested Government level also there is a monitoring interests and there was no question of any system. At the district level also, tbe land reforms. There was no question of monitoring is being done. In spite of this payment of minimum wages to the agri· kind ,of monitoring also, there is no denying cultural labourers. Now, this is the conflict the fact that things are in fact not reaching between vested interests and those who are people to the extent that they should have trying to free themselves from the bondage reached. I am really happy that the Prime of the social systems in which they have been Minister of this country is going to tbe living for generations together. Sometimes remotest villages in order to find out for we cannot even tolerate a self-respecting himself whether the programme is properly Scheduled Caste or a Scheduled Tribe man, impJemented or not. Hr is bold enough to 321 Dis. reo Atrocities AUGUST 14, 1985 Dis. reo Atrocities 328 on SC and ST on SC and ST come" out and say that in fact things are not Total number of employees r~ny that good. I do not think that this (Class I) 52,683 kind of boldness will be found anywhere Scheduled Castes 3,566 else. I would request all the Hon. Chief Percentage comes to 6.11. Minister also of the respective State Govern- 'B' Class Class II - total is .. 62,485 ments to go to the villages and in a random- Scheduled Castes win be 6,351 survey manner, check whether these .t~in~s Percentage comes to 10.16. are properly implemented. If such ViSIt IS made to 10 or 15 villages, I think, the Class or Class III-Total .. 21,28,650 entire thing will get electrified and you Scheduled Castes are ... 3,10,949 will find tremendous improvement in the Percentage comes to entire implementation programme of the 14.61 almost near Government. 15 per cent. I will just give some figures about the SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA : See that Land Reforms. I had given this earlier sweepers are included in them. also. But some Members wanted this So I would like to give these figures. The total SHRI S. B. CHAVAN: No, no. Ulti- land which in fact has been distributed is 111ately whosever is designated as a Scheduled like this. The area declared surplus will Caste ... be 12,60,833 acres. Area taken possession of will be 53,86,186 acres. Area distribut- SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Class ed win be 43,95,184 acres. Total numba of III is not sweeper . beneficiaries will be 32,48,319. The number (Interruptions) of scheduled castes is 12,47,236. This forms about 38 per cel'lt of the total number of beneficia ries. SHRI S. B. CHA VAN: I am just giving the figures of Class III and Class I V now. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: What The total of Class IV will be 13,02,534, and Scheduled Castes are 2,55,094. It comes to about Tribes? 19.58 per cent. I do not say that there is no scope for improvement, but to say that we SHRI S. B. CHAVAN: So far as the have not been able to achieve anything. Scheduled Tribes are concerned, the number unnecc:ssarily we also sometimes denigrate is 5,88,953, it comes to 14.7 per cent. ourselves-to the extent that we have been able to achieve certain things, we should So far as the land reforms aspect is accept that these are the things which we concerned, there is no denying the fact tha t have been able to achieve; if there is scope 'still there are a large number of benami for improvement, we should try to improve transactions and it will be for the St2 te the same .. Governments to go into the details, find out as to how they will be able to detcct these I have got the figures for the public fradulent transactions and see that these sector undertakings. But I do not have surplus lands become available and these the time, that is why I won't go into that lands should· be distributable to the Scheduled aspect ... Castes. Scheduled Tribes and other weaker sections who, in fact, are en titled for getting (Interrupt ions) a share of it ... (Interruptions). (Trans/at ion] One or two points ~10rc, and I have SHRI MANKURAM SODI (Bastar)" : done. Some of the" Hon. Members As a punishment, Officers should not bo enquired-Mr. Panika p:"obably said that transferred to backward areas. even" in Class HI and Class IV also the percentqe of the seats meant for Scheduld [English] Castes are not being filled. Sir, I have got the fiJUres. This is as on 1.1.1983 : MR. CHAIRMAN: Please allow the 329 Dis. reo Atrocities SRAVANA 23, 1907 (SAKA) Dis. re. Atrocities 330 on SC and ST on .sC and ST HOD. Minister to finish. Then you will put MR. CHAIRMAN : Allow the Minister questions if permitted ..•. to complete. (Interrupt ions) Shri S.B. CHAV AN : I cannot possibly give all the figures for all the State Govern- MR. CHAIRMAN : For clarification, ments because it w ill take considerable let Hon. Minister conclude. time. SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: About the Tribals One query which the Hon. Members also I have got the figures, but I do not have made is about the guidelines. We have the time, that is why I am not giving have specially requested all the State those figures. I will merely say that accord- Governments that wherever they find that ing to the guidelines .•• there is a tension prevailing or likelihood of any clash between the Scheduled Castes and SHRI P.K. THUNGON .. Hon Minister, the non-Sche<;luled Castes, they should con- we want to have the number 0 f Tribes. duct a survey, identify the places and make special arrangements including placing police MR. CHAIRMAN: Please take your pickets and there should be a task force seat. Allow the Hon. Minister to complete. which would be striking force. Wherever Then you may put the questions it permitted. these things occur, they should also have special courts for trial of these cases. There SHRI S.B. CHA VAN: I will try to give are six or seven States who have constituted you the figures. You can see me later on, I and, in fact, for the first time,. we find that will be able to give them. in these five years, there have been. large SHRI AMAR ROY PRADHAN : The scale punishments to those who indulged in percentage will be sufficient for the Scheduled this kind of activity. Any-how. I wiU give Tribes. the figures. In these five years, we find that there are cases wherein 6 people ha ve been ... (Interruptions) sentenced to death, 204 sentenced for life imprisonment and 8 others fOJ rigorous imprisonment. This is as at 1984. I do MR. CHAIRMAN : Please take your not have the figures for later years. But seat. Please have the patience, and let HOD. this clearly shows tha t the State Governments Minister complete. have been· taking very active action so far as bringing these people to book is concerned SHRI S.B. CHAV AN : The same state- and trying the cases. In fact, we have ment has the figures for Scheduled Tribes requested them to try these cases involving also. I have read only for Scheduled the Scheduled Castes both under I.P .C. and Castes. About Scheduled Tribes, Class A, P.C.A. Act in the special courts. Barring the total is ••• 52,683. The Sched~led Tribes Madhy Pradesh wherein most probably the number is 741, it comes to 1.41 per cent. question of jurisdiction under I.P.C. is still under consideration of the High Court, in For Class II, the number of Scheduled respect of other ~tates, they have been able Tribes Officers is 915, the percentage comes to set up special courts and they have started to 1.46. For Class C or Class III, the total functioning very well. (lnterruptions.) is 88,149, the percentage of Scheduled Tribes MR. CHAIRMAN: Please take your comes to 4.14. In .category 'D' the total is seat. ·Allow the Minister to complete. 71,812. It comes to 5.5 per cent. ~o, there is no' denying the fact that cQmpared to even SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: There is one Schedtded Castes also, the percentage of the more point. That is about the visit of my SchoduJed Tribes is not satisfactory. In fact, colleague, Shrimati Ram Dulari Sinha. I am we will have to go in a big way to improve very sorry to say that g very small thing bas the situation. been exaggerated to~ such an extent that one of the Hon. Members even while, talkirig SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA: What about he even forgot that she is about the States Governments. This is relatins to the Central Government. *Expunged as ordered by the Chair . 331 Dis. reo Atrocities AUGUst 14, i985 bls. reo Atrocilies on SC and SF on SC and ST the Minister of the Government of India. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: The kind of language that he used, in fact, Organise an all India movement for Harijans was not expected of a very senior Member and Girijans. of Mr. Reddy's stature. It has not reduced SHRI S.B. CHAV ~N : There are a large her stature. It has reduced your stature. I number of suggestions which have been made. am sorry to say this. (Interruptions.) 1 (Interruptions) do not want any debate on this. I was very happy that Mrs. Geeta SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I am Mukherjee now makes a quip that because addressing the Senior Minister. I used the of the ideology of West Bengal, they do not words," "with reference to •••.•. have an incident. I am very happy. SHRI S.B. CHAVAN : Mr. Reddy, you (Interruptions) must know that I am a person that whatever SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: I you may say, I am si tting here calm and pray to the rest of tbe country. collected. But I could not resist myself when the kind of words you used against her. SHRI S.B. CHA VAN : In fact, I am J had to stand up and say, "This is not one with you that so far as implementinl the poverty alleviation programmes and the correct". programmes meant for the poor sections are That is not the way. We may have concerned, they should be properly imple- differences. Express your views. It is all mented and the full benefits should go to right. But tbat is not the way. I enquired them. from Mrs. Sinha as to what exactly are the But I am not prepared to agree with facts. She denies the kind of statements some of my friends that there are no wb~ some of the Hon. Members are Naxalites in that area. It is not a statement alleging that she has used. She says that of fact. Naxalities are there. Naxalities she has not made those statements. I think are trying to take advantage of the situation so JODg as she is prepared to say that those prevailing. That is why, I have said that statements have not been made by ber, tbat merely by shooting, you cannot solve the should be the end of the matter. Thereafter problem. This is a two-pronged attack that to go on discussing about it is not advisable. you should have. Naxalite activity can be That should end the entire thing. I do not stopped only if the programme is think tbat sbe can ever mean it. implemented. Sometimes there are emotions when a If you approach this issue in this manner, person goes to see the atrocities committed I am sure the Scheduled Castes and the on the Harijans. Men get excited. Women Scheduled Tribes people also feel that here is get excited. Sometimes in a hurry, some a society which, in fact, genuinely desires to things might come out. Sbe can never identify themselves with our own woes and mean it. I know her nature and that is why joys. I do not think it has called for tbe way we I was very happy that HOD. Members have discussed. have taken so much time and expressed their views very forth-rightly. In fact, I would very much like ber to go again to Andbra Pradesh and I request I have also noted dOWD some of their the Andhra Pradesh Government that tbey suggestions but since I do not have tbe time, sbould give her all the courtesies which are I could not clarify all the points. required of a State Government. I tbank all the Members once &pin. (Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: The House now stands adjourned to reassemble at 11.00 AM I do not think that we should prolong on Friday tbe 16th August, 1985. tbat issue any more. 20.49 m. A large number of other items were The Lok Sabha I hBn adjourned till discussed. I can also give reply to them. Eleven of the Clock on Frido)" Aupst But I think it will not be proper for me to 16, 1985/Srtnana 25, 1907 (&kG) spend any more time on this.