IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY: WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HEARING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED FIFTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY PURSUANT TO H. RES. 581: APPEARANCE OF INDEPENDENT COUNSEL NOVEMBER 19, 1998 Serial No. 66 ( Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 53±367 WASHINGTON : 1998 For sale by the U.S. Government Printing Office Superintendent of Documents, Congressional Sales Office, Washington, DC 20402 COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY HENRY J. HYDE, Illinois, Chairman F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR., JOHN CONYERS, JR., Michigan Wisconsin BARNEY FRANK, Massachusetts BILL McCOLLUM, Florida CHARLES E. SCHUMER, New York GEORGE W. GEKAS, Pennsylvania HOWARD L. BERMAN, California HOWARD COBLE, North Carolina RICK BOUCHER, Virginia LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas JERROLD NADLER, New York ELTON GALLEGLY, California ROBERT C. SCOTT, Virginia CHARLES T. CANADY, Florida MELVIN L. WATT, North Carolina BOB INGLIS, South Carolina ZOE LOFGREN, California BOB GOODLATTE, Virginia SHEILA JACKSON LEE, Texas STEPHEN E. BUYER, Indiana MAXINE WATERS, California ED BRYANT, Tennessee MARTIN T. MEEHAN, Massachusetts STEVE CHABOT, Ohio WILLIAM D. DELAHUNT, Massachusetts BOB BARR, Georgia ROBERT WEXLER, Florida WILLIAM L. JENKINS, Tennessee STEVEN R. ROTHMAN, New Jersey ASA HUTCHINSON, Arkansas THOMAS M. BARRETT, Wisconsin EDWARD A. PEASE, Indiana CHRISTOPHER B. CANNON, Utah JAMES E. ROGAN, California LINDSEY O. GRAHAM, South Carolina MARY BONO, California (II) MAJORITY STAFF THOMAS E. MOONEY, SR., General Counsel-Chief of Staff JON W. DUDAS, Deputy General Counsel-Staff Director DIANA L. SCHACHT, Deputy Staff Director-Chief Counsel DANIEL M. FREEMAN, Parliamentarian-Counsel PAUL J. MCNULTY, Director of Communications-Chief Counsel JOSEPH H. GIBSON, Chief Counsel RICK FILKINS, Counsel SHAREE M. FREEMAN, Counsel PETER J. LEVINSON, Counsel JOHN F. MAUTZ, IV, Counsel WILLIAM E. MOSCHELLA, Counsel STEPHEN PINKOS, Counsel GEORGE M. FISHMAN, Chief Counsel DAVID P. SCHIPPERS, Chief Investigative MITCH GLAZIER, Chief Counsel Counsel JOHN H. LADD, Chief Counsel RAYMOND V. SMIETANKA, Chief Counsel SUSAN BOGART, Investigative Counsel LAURA ANN BAXTER, Counsel ROBERT S. HOOVER, Counsel DANIEL J. BRYANT, Counsel JOHN C. KOCORAS, Counsel CATHLEEN A. CLEAVER, Counsel BERLE S. LITTMANN, Investigator VINCE GARLOCK, Counsel STEPHEN P. LYNCH, Professional Staff JAMES W. HARPER, Counsel Member SUSAN JENSEN±CONKLIN, Counsel CHARLES F. MARINO, Counsel DEBRA K. LAMAN, Counsel JEFFREY J. PAVLETIC, Investigative Counsel BLAINE S. MERRITT, Counsel THOMAS M. SCHIPPERS, Investigative Counsel NICOLE R. NASON, Counsel ALBERT F. TRACY, Investigator GLENN R. SCHMITT, Counsel PETER J. WACKS, Investigator JIM Y. WILON, Counsel DIANA L. WOZNICKI, Investigator MINORITY STAFF JULIAN EPSTEIN, Minority Chief Counsel-Staff Director PERRY H. APELBAUM, Minority General ABBE D. LOWELL, Minority Chief Investigative Counsel Counsel DAVID G. LACHMANN, Counsel SAMPAK P. GARG, Investigative Counsel CYNTHIA A. R. MARTIN, Counsel STEVEN F. REICH, Investigative Counsel HENRY MONIZ, Counsel DEBORAH L. RHODE, Investigative Counsel STEPHANIE J. PETERS, Counsel KEVIN M. SIMPSON, Investigative Counsel SAMARA T. RYDER, Counsel LIS W. WIEHL, Investigative Counsel BRIAN P. WOOLFOLK, Counsel (III) C O N T E N T S HEARING Page November 19, 1998 .................................................................................................. 1 OPENING STATEMENT Hyde, Hon. Henry J., a Representative in Congress from the State of Illinois, and Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary ..................................................... 2 WITNESS Starr, Hon. Kenneth, Independent Counsel, Office of the Independent Coun- sel, Washington, DC ............................................................................................ 14 LETTERS, STATEMENTS, ETC., SUBMITTED FOR THE HEARING Barr, Bob, a Representative in Congress from the State of Georgia: Prepared statement .............................................................................................................. 138 Bryant, Ed, a Representative in Congress from the State of Tennessee: Pre- pared statement ................................................................................................... 129 Gallegly, Elton, a Representative in Congress from the State of California: Prepared statement .............................................................................................. 104 Goodlatte, Bob, a Representative in Congress from the State of Virginia, Claims of Government Misconduct ..................................................................... 116 Jackson Lee, Sheila, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas: Prepared statement .............................................................................................. 125 Starr, Hon. Kenneth, Independent Counsel, Office of the Independent Coun- sel, Washington, DC: Prepared statement ......................................................... 43 (V) IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY: WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 1998 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, Washington, DC. The committee met, pursuant to call, at 10:10 a.m., in room 2141, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Henry J. Hyde (chair- man of the committee) presiding. Present: Representatives Henry J. Hyde; F. James Sensen- brenner, Jr.; Bill McCollum; George W. Gekas; Howard Coble; Lamar S. Smith; Elton Gallegly; Charles T. Canady; Bob Inglis; Bob Goodlatte; Steve Buyer; Ed Bryant; Steve Chabot; Bob Barr; William L. Jenkins; Asa Hutchinson; Edward A. Pease; Christopher B. Cannon; James E. Rogan; Lindsey O. Graham; Mary Bono; John Conyers; Barney Frank; Charles E. Schumer; Howard L. Berman; Rick Boucher; Jerrold Nadler; Robert C. ``Bobby'' Scott; Melvin L. Watt; Zoe Lofgren; Sheila Jackson Lee; Maxine Waters; Martin T. Meehan; William D. Delahunt; Robert Wexler; Steven R. Rothman; and Thomas M. Barrett. Majority Staff Present: Thomas E. Mooney, Sr., general counsel- chief of staff; Jon W. Dudas, deputy general counsel-staff director; Diana L. Schacht, deputy staff director-chief counsel; Daniel M. Freeman, parliamentarian-counsel; Joseph H. Gibson, chief coun- sel; Rick Filkins, counsel; Sharee M. Freeman, counsel; John F. Mautz, IV, counsel; William Moschella, counsel; Stephen Pinkos, counsel; Sheila F. Klein, executive assistant to general counsel- chief of staff; Annelie Weber, executive assistant to deputy general counsel-staff director; Samuel F. Stratman, press secretary; Re- becca S. Ward, office manager; James B. Farr, financial clerk; Eliz- abeth Singleton, legislative correspondent; Sharon L. Hammersla, computer systems coordinator; Michele Manon, administrative as- sistant; Joseph McDonald, publications clerk; Shawn Friesen, staff assistant/clerk; Robert Jones, staff assistant; Ann Jemison, recep- tionist; Michael Connolly, communications assistant; Michelle Mor- gan, press secretary; and Patricia Katyoka, research assistant. Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law Staff Present: Ray Smietanka, chief counsel; Jim Harper, counsel; and Audray Clement, staff assistant. Subcommittee on the Constitution Staff Present: John H. Ladd, chief counsel; and Cathleen A. Cleaver, counsel. (1) 2 Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property Staff Present: Mitch Glazier, chief counsel; Blaine S. Merritt, counsel; Vince Garlock, counsel; and Debra K. Laman. Subcommittee on Crime Staff Present: Paul J. McNulty, director of communications-chief counsel; Glenn R. Schmitt, counsel; Daniel J. Bryant, counsel; and Nicole R. Nason, counsel. Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims Staff Present: George M. Fishman, chief counsel; Laura Ann Baxter, counsel; and Jim Y. Wilon, counsel. Majority Investigative Staff Present: David P. Schippers, chief in- vestigative counsel; Susan Bogart, investigative counsel; Thomas M. Schippers, investigative counsel; Jeffrey Pavletic, investigative counsel; Charles F. Marino, counsel; John C. Kocoras, counsel; Diana L. Woznicki, investigator; Peter J. Wacks, investigator; Al- bert F. Tracy, investigator; Berle S. Littmann, investigator; Ste- phen P. Lynch, professional staff member; Nancy Ruggero-Tracy, office manager/coordinator; Patrick O'Sullivan, staff assistant; and Heather McLaughlin, staff assistant. Minority Staff Present: Julian Epstein, minority chief counsel- staff director; Perry Apelbaum, minority general counsel; Samara T. Ryder, counsel; Brian P. Woolfolk, counsel; Henry Moniz, coun- sel; Robert Raben, minority counsel; Stephanie Peters, counsel; David Lachmann, counsel; Anita Johnson, executive assistant to minority chief counsel-staff director; and Dawn Burton, minority clerk. Minority Investigative Staff Present: Abbe D. Lowell, minority chief investigative counsel; Lis W. Wiehl, investigative counsel; Deborah L. Rhode, investigative counsel; Kevin M. Simpson, inves- tigative counsel; Steven F. Reich, investigative counsel; Sampak P. Garg, investigative counsel; and Maria Reddick, minority clerk. OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN HYDE Mr. HYDE. Pursuant to notice, I now convene the committee for a hearing pursuant to House Resolution 581, the resolution which the House adopted authorizing an inquiry into whether to rec- ommend impeachment of the President of the United States. The Chair intends to recognize himself for 5 minutes and the ranking minority member for 5 minutes. Each member may