[3 August, 2005] RAJYA SABHA ि K# U c ह ह ] G घ ] ह ह CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Grave situation due to unprecedented rain in Maharashtra—contd . K :K ह c ह, K K (ह): ह, c ,हP , a ह , ... ()... , ह ह, ह a ह K Z ह # ? ^ह# ह ह ह ह ^ह# ^W , ZU L U ^ह# , ह ^ह# ह ह,^ह# a ह ह,ह [ ह ह, ह ह U# ह ह ह, ह ह a ZZ , ह ह, , ह ह ह ह ह Hह ह ह, ह-ह # c ZZ a ह, ह ह , E ह ह ,ह ह, G ह ह ह, a ह ह, ह ह, ह-ह ह, हP # # a ह > 4 ह ह, L G c ह ह ह c ह ह ह ह ह, c a ह ह ह,c, a Z , a ह ह, ] ह , ] ह , # , ह, ह ह, - E ह ह, a ह ह,G C ह Uह, # ह Uह # a 219 RAJYA SABHA [3 August, 2005] # , .. ह ह, ह, ह Uह # ह ह ि ह, ह ि ह, G ह ह ह ह P ` ह,P ह ह ह ह Z ह, a ह ह, ह,ह ह ह ह, ह ह, - ह,W - a ह ह ह W ह , ह ह Z ह,ह Z Z ह ह G ह , , ,ह ह ह ह, ह a ह, a, ह,ह ह,ह ह ह ह,ह घ M घ ह, ह ह ह ह ह ह, ह ह P ह a c ह ह ह,^ ह ह ह ह ... ()... K : , K^ ह ... ()... K :ह, , Z ह ह 4 ह, ह ह ह P Cि P ह ^^ ह, ह ह , Gह ह # ह ह ह, ह ह ह ... ()... K :ह ह,,ह ^ ह, R K ह ह ... ()... K :ह, ह ह K : G ह ह,ह ह ह, K^ K : ह, ह ह ह ह ह ह ह M ह, ह ह,ह a_ ह a G ह, घ,ह ] ह ^ह # ^ ह 220 [3 August, 2005] RAJYA SABHA MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Hon. Members, this is only a clarification. If every Member takes five to ten minutes, it is impossible for us to conclude this. I would only allow. ...(Interruptions)... K :ह ह K :ह G ह, H ह ह ह H ह , K ह ... ()... Z. (ह): ^ह# R ह ह K :ह ह, L , K^ ,ह ह ह K ह (हP): , ह, K Z ह ह ह ह ह ह ह ह ह, ह ह ह a ह , ि ह ह ,ह ह , ह ह , ह ह ह ह, ह ह ह, c ह ह ह ह ह ह ह ह#-# G ^ ह ह ह c ह ह G ह ह, ह ह ह ह , ह ह H ह ह ह - W ह , ह , 700 c G# ह ह ह ह ह ह , ह ह ि ह ह ह,^W 500 G ह ह R ह 20,000 G ह ह, ह ह, ह 500 G ह,ह ह ह 5,000 G ह ^W ह G 5,000 G ह ह ह, ह ,ह ह P ह,ह ह, plinth level ह,P G plinth level ह ह ह ह, 221 RAJYA SABHA [3 August, 2005] P# ह ह P , ह P # U ि# ह ह,# ,# 25,000 ह ह Z ह ह ह ह ह 1,000 ह, ह ह,ह , , ह ह ह ह, ह ह, ह , ह K# ...( घ ) _ ह ह ह ह # # P ह, G, ह, ह ह ह, # P ह ह ह ह ह, G ह ह,ह # # ह, ह ह ह,ह ह ह ह K ह ह ? K ह ?# ह ,ह ह? Z ह ह ह, CRZ ह, ह CRZ G ह, ह ह ह G ,ह - घ # , ह ह , ह ह, P ह ह,MMRDA ह, Rह ह, ह ह ह ह ह ह G ह ह, ह, [ ह Z ह ह, P# M ह Z ह ह ह Z U ह ह ह # ह ह ,ह .. ह ह, -- F ह, # P ह ह-ह ह K : ह, U K ह,ह SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK (Goa): Sir, I come from the State of Goa. Flooding was not to that extent in Goa, but in an incident of landslide, 11 people died. The entire Goa-Maharashtra rail route as also National Highways are affected. Air traffic is disrupted. Rail traffic is disrupted. 222 [3August,2005] RAJYA SABHA Now, I come to the point which Mr. Mahajanji made yesterday. He was blaming the Chief Minister indirectly like anything. He was saying that he was not going to play politics, but was indulging in politics. I would like to remind him when the Film Festival was taking place in Goa and he was in charge, illegal construction was taking place ..(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No Please, don't go into all that. You have to seek only clarifications. ...(Interruptions)... ... ()... ... ()... ह, ... ()... , K# ह? SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK: Sir, I want to seek one clarification from the Minister. Whenever an aid is given, it should be declared as to whether it is given under the National Calamity Relief Fund or under the Prime Minister's Relief Fund, so that the State administration also comes to know whether more funds are going to come, and what is the proportion. Because every time funds are given, 75 per cent share comes from the Central Government. This should be clarified while allocating funds. Sir, I will take only 3-4 minutes. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN. Not 3-4 minutes. SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK: Sir, everybody has taken more than five minutes. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: If somebody has taken that much of time, that cannot be a rule for every one. SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK: Sir, yesterday there was a mention that certain film industry people are going to file PIL. This is highly condemnable. In the past, eminent actors like Dilip Kumar, Dev Anand and Rajendra Kumar and others had come to help the nation when the Chinese aggression was there, and when the Pakistan aggression was there. Each time film industry has come out to help the nation. Now, what has happened to them? Why have they not realised that a natural calamity comes all of a sudden? Is it a Public Interest Litigation, which they are going to file, or is it a Private Interest Litigation? Sir, my last point is very sensitive. We have got certain States which are known as non-secular States. In such States, if floods and other natural calamities take place in a minority community area, can we trust those State Governments that they will take necessary steps in those areas? When we know that State terrorism is there in certain States, how can we 223 RAJYA SABHA [3 August, 2005] rely upon these non-secular States to protect the minorities when floods take place? This should be clarified. (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Naik, please, finish it. (Interruptions) Please, confine to the issue of disaster that took place in Mumbai. SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK: Therefore, I am saying that instead of schemes, there must be a national law which control... (Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: This is not a clarification from the statement. This is not a clarification. SHRI SHANTARAM LAXMAN NAIK: Sir, these laws must provide protection to minorities in case of natural calamities if that particular State Government does not come forward to help them. (Time-bell rings) SHRIMATI JAYA BACHCHAN (Uttar Pradesh): Thank you, Sir. I am amazed. I really don't know what to say. I feel I have gone back to Kindergarten. Here we are trying to say two wrongs are making a right. It is really very, very embarrassing to sit there and listen to all kinds of accusations being made instead of talking about the problem. Thankfully, the Minister is here today and we have the opportunity to speak. There is a very famous poem which my father-in-law had written. I would just like to recite a line from it. “ह : * * ^ ” There has been such a big calamity and we are sitting here and talking that so and so said this, so and so said that, this State Government and that State Government and the film industry. I am sorry, Sir, the film industry is one industry which has always come forward and it will come forward again. And if you have a problem with the film industry doing what they are doing, ask them to leave. Uttar Pradesh Government is ready to accept the film industry. We will provide them with all the support and we will also take the money that they give to the exchequer. Mr. Gavai said the same thing; the gentleman here today is saying the same thing. It is not fair. Please give some concrete suggestions to the Minister who is sitting here. He belongs to the same State. He knows; he has seen the problem that Maharashtra faces every time. He is from Latur, Sir, what happened when there was an earthquake in Latur? Didn't the people of Mumbai go there and help? I worked for certain NGOs which have again gone this time and helped Mumbai. Mumbai is capable of looking after itself. Mumbai 224 [3 August, 2005] RAJYA SABHA is not dependent on the administration. I am sorry, Sir, but that is the truth. It is the people of Mumbai who have gone out and helped each other. I do not want to talk about the kind of problems that we, as a family, are facing because the minute I say that, it would be called politicising.