T01-31JAN2012 FAHEEM/ ED Zafar Iqbal 04:30 P.M. ER12 THE SENATE OF PAKISTAN DEBATES OFFICIAL REPORT Tuesday, January 31, 2012 (77 th Session) Volume X, No. 10 (Nos. 10- ) CONTENTS Pages 1. Recitation from the Holy Quran………..……………. 1 2. Questions and Answers……………...……………….. 3. Leave of Absence…………………..………………… 4. Presentation of report of the Privileges Committee on the proposed rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate….…………………………….. 5. Privilege Motion presented by Senator Muhammad Zahid Khan…………………………………………… 6. Legislative Business: • The Private Power and Infrastructure Board Bill, 2011…………………………………… 7. Points of order: Printed and Published by the Senate Secretariat, Islamabad. 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At the outset it is my pleasure to welcome to the Senate of Pakistan delegation from the Parliament of Germany who is sitting over here. This is being led by Mr. Back, who is an MP from CDU Party, if I am right. Thank you. You can observe the proceedings of the Senate of Pakistan. Thank you. We may now take up questions. Col. Tahir Mashhadi sahib. (Followed by T02) T02-31JAN12 UR/AZHAR ER/ZAFAR/ED.Javaid UR1 440 PM Questions and Answers Mr. Chairman: We may now take up Questions. Col. Tahir Hussain Mashhadi Sahib. Q.57 Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? Senator Col. R. Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Sir, I would like to ask the honourable Minister if he could let me know whether FATA is under him. Because last time I heard was that FATA is being controlled by Secretary FATA and they are not answering to the honourable Minister. If he has managed to regain control of that, could he please tell me that how many colleges in the last two yearsÉ they are not in millions and billions that the information is still being collected. The answer given is very disappointing. How many colleges, one college, two colleges be coming up? They are not in millions that they are still collecting the thing. Thank you. Mr. Chairman: Who is the Minister to answer? Engineer Sahib, I think it is Q. No. 57. 3 D D D i ˚?wZ @L\^e @qCN} @A` @QPC@{ Engr. Shauket Ullah: Sir, sorry, I was discussing. Mr. Chairman: In future please D D D = € ^ m = = D l ^a \]F i D > D @«HV® @L\ a @¬\w^ y@H@t¯° @•? i y@AF @t?;;b§ @GuCMV@˘t?\ šE{ b § @V š_ @RA©’ •ª @qCN@A} Z @oŒ{ @CMu ! t; b ?§ @•9E F @RLu@8\ ;† N@9@qCN`{ > } @CMu@QPC{ = RA Œi Senator Col. R. Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Sir, my question to the honourable Minister is that is FATA under him? 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