Thirteenth Series, Vol. IV, No. 7 Thursday, March. 2, 2«00 Phalguna 12,1921 (Saka) LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version) Third Session (Thirteenth Lok Sabha) m (Vol. IV contains Nos. 1 to 10) LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI Price : Rs. 50.00 EDITORIAL BOARD Q. C. Malhotra Secretary-General Lok Sabha Dr. A. K. Pandey Additional Secretary Hamam Singh Joint Secretary P. C. Bhatt Principal Chief Editor A.P. Chakravarti Senior E ditor Vijay Chhabra Editor (Original English Proceedings included in English Version and Original Hindi proceedings included in Hindi Version will be treated as authoritative and not the translation thereof.) . CONTENTS (ThbtMnlh Sm Im , Vol. IV, Third SMskm 2000/1821 (Saka) No. 7, Thuraday, Match 2 ,200ai/Phalguna 12,1921 (Saka) SUBJECT PAGES WrMan Answare to Questtons Starred QuasUon Nos. 101 to 120.................................................................................................................. 10-29 Unstarred Quasttona Noa. 1117 to 1294 ........... ........................................................................................... 29-248 Papers LaM on the Table....................................................................................................................................249-252 Electkx) to CommmMee Rajghat Samadhi CommMae ............ ................................................................................................................252 LOK SABHA DEBATES LOKSABHA This is not Zero hour. For how many days can you obstruct the Questton Hour in the House ? Thursday, March 2 ,2000/Phalguna 12,1921 (Saka) (Interruptbns) The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock MR. SPEAKER : What is this ? This is not the time to raise your point. [M r. Speaker in the Chaii] (Interruptbns) [EngUah] [Translatton] {Intemjpttons) SHRI MOHAN RAWALE : Sir, please let me speak for MR. SPEAKER : Q. No. 101, Shrimati Sheela Gautam two minutes... (Intemjpttons) {Internjpthns) MR. SPEAKER : Please sit down now, speak after questbn Hour. [Translatton] SHRI SURESH RAMRAO JADHAV : Sir, it is a very SHRIMATI SHEELA QAUTAM (ALIGARH): Question No. serk)us issue... (Interrupttons) 101 . MR. SPEAKER ; Not now, please sit down, speak later on. SHRI ANANT GANGARAM GEETE (RATNAGIRI) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, 1 am spealdng on a very serious issue that the (Interruptk)ns) security provided to the Shlvsena supremo Shrl Balasaheb Thackrey has been withdrawn... (Intemjptk>n). This is a sertous [English] issue... (Intemjpthns) MR. SPEAKER : I am appealing to all the Members to MR. SPEAKER : Not now, please speak after questton please take their seats. For how many days have you to lose hour. the Question Hour ? Today is the sbcth day. Please try to understand. (Intemipttons) (interruptions) SHRI MOHAN RAWALE (MUMBAI SOUTH-CENTRAL): Sir, the Maharashtra Govemment has withdrawn the security MR. SPEAKER : I am appealing to you that whatever provkied to the Shiv Sena Supremo Shri Balasaheb Thackrey points you have, you can raise them after Vtm Questton Hour, which is a serious \83UB...(lntemjptk>ns) Directives shoukl not now. be issued to the Maharashtra Govemment In this regard (interrupttons) ...(Intermpthns) MR. SPEAKER : I think you do not want the Questton Hour [English] in this House. MR. SPEAKER ; After the questton hour please, not now. [Transiatk)n] [Translatton] (Interrupthns) SHRI SURESH RAMRAO JADHAV (PARBHANI) : Sir, SHRI ANANT GANGARAM GEETE : Hon*ble Speaker, the security of Shrl Balasaheb Thackrey should be restored, it Sir, security shoukJ be provkied to Shri Bala Saheb Thackrey. is a serk>us issue ...(Intemjpttons) [English] MR. SPEAKER : Please speak after the Question Hour. MR. SPEAKER : Are you not Interested about the Questk)n Hour ? Please tell me whether you are Interested in [English] Question Hour or not. MR. SPEAKER r Not now. Please take your seats. (Interruptk)ns) (Intemipttons) [Translatk>n] MR. SPEAKER : Nothing wHI go on record. SHRI MOHAN RAWALE : Hont)le. Speaker. Sir, Security (Interruptions)* must be provkied to the Hindu leader and the Shiv Sena Supremo Shri Bala Saheb Thackrey ...(Intenvpttons) MR. SPEAKER : Hon. Members, please understand that this is Questk>n Hour. There is a time to raise this matter. [English] MR. SPEAKER : Are you not Interested about the Questbn Hour ? What Is this ? Everyday you are doing like •Not Recorded. this. March 2. 2000 (IntBiTuptions) ...(Interruptions) This issue is so fundamental that we want that one thousand million people of India shoukj know where MR. SPEAKER : I wW aUow you after the Question Hour. every indivMual and every Party stands on this particular You can raise, after the Question Hour, whatever points you issue in Parliament. And that can only be done through a vote want to submit. and not through airy-fairy speeches or platitudes expressed (Interruptions) in the House. Through a vote, let the people of India know where every individual, every Party stand. It shoukj be SHRi K.H. MUNIYAPPA (KOLAR) : Sir, it is a Constitutio­ through a concrete evidence of vote. ...(Interruptions) nal matter. The Central Qoverment is also concerned. The Government is not threatened. Under Rule 184, the ...(Interruptions) Govemment does not have to resign. ...(Interruptions) But why are they shying away ? ...(Interruptions) Let the positk>n THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND of all the parties come in front of the people of India. MINISTER OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY (SHRI ...(Interruptions) Therefore, this shouW be discussed under PRAMOD MAHAJAN) : Mr. Spealcer, Sir, ,..(lntenuptions) Rule 184. ...(Interruptions) SHRI ANIL BASU (ARAMBAGH): Sir. why has he k>een MR. SPEAKER : I have not allowed you. albwed ? ...(Interruptions) (Interruptions) SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN : Sir, I share the concem of the Memt>ers about the security of Shiv Sena Pramulch, Bala SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN) : Sir. according to the rules, Saheb Thackrey. I will take up this matter with the hon. you in your wisdom, ...(Interruptions) Home Minister and enquire with the State Government of Maharashtra as to what exactly has happened. But we wish [Translation] that all kinds of security must be given to Shri Bala Saheb. SHRI VIJAY KUMAR GOEL (CHANDNI CHOWK) : Mr. ...(Interruptions) Honl3le Speaker, Sir, the hon'ble Member from oppositk>n is MR. SPEAKER : I wiU aOow you after that. wasting the time of the House. It seems to me that no other issue than this is left with my friends from Congress to raise (Interruptions) in the House. If they want to raise this issue then they can raise this under the rule 193. ...(interruptions) [Translation] [English] SHRI MOHAN RAWALE : Mr. Hon'ble Speaker, Sir, the Hont>le Minister of the Parliamentary Affairs Shri Pramod SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA : Sir, I woukJ like to remind Mahajan gave a statement just now and he has assured us you that when Shri Narasimha Rao's Govemment was in a that he will talk to the Hon*ble Home Minister in this regard minority, four Adjournment Motions were admitted in spite of and bring the Issue relating to the security of Shiv Sena the fact that the Government was in a minority. If the Supremo Shri Bala Saheb Thackrey to his nptk^e. In this Govemment loses an Adjournment Motk>n, Govemment has connectkjn I wouW like to urge upon him to talk early to the to resign. Even then four Adjournment Motions were admitted. honl>le Home Minister and inform us. ...(Interruptions) But now, you have overruled it. We have accepted It. But [English] you must alk)w our request for discussion under Rule 184 so that the people of India know what is the posltk>n of every MR. SPEAKER Shri Madhavrao Scindia, what is your politk:al Party in Parliament is on this very fundamental issue submissk>n ? whk:h strikes at the roots of our Constitutk>n. ...(Interruptions) (Intenvptions) MR. SPEAKER Shri Rupchand Pal, what Is your submissbn ? . MR. SPEAKER : I have aHowed Shri Scindia. You please take your seat. (Interruptions) SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA (GUNA) : Sir, this matter MR. SPEAKER : I have alk>wed Shri Rupchand Pal. strikes at the very roots of our Constitutton and it hits at the very roots of our parliamentary democracy. We have raised it SHRI RUPCHAND PAL (HOOGHLY): Sir, we had given by way of Adjournment Motbn. Sir, you, in your wisdonm, notk:e for discussion under Rule 184 so that we can discuss disallowed it. ... (Interruptions) The Govemment requested this R.S.S. issue here and the different politk:al parties can and you requested for our co-operation. We co-operated. We spell out their viewpoints on this very very sensitive and vital ensured that the Railway Budget was uiHiisturbed. We naibnal issue. ...(Intenvptions) ensured that the General Budget was undisturbed. But MR. SPEAKER : I albwed Shri Rupchand Pal. everytime we fulfilled our part of the assurances. We are immediately roadrolled afterwards. You disaltowed our SHRI RUPCHAND PAL : Sir. in the Rule book this Adjournment Motk>n. We accepted that. We have now provisk>n of Rule 184 is there to discuss only such issues requested for a discussbn under Rule 184. ...(interruptions) because this is a vital and sensitive issue and the whole natk>n Government does not have to resign under Rule 184. is eagerly waiting to know the viewpoints of all the polltfcal Phalguna 12,1921 (Saka) parties and different representatives whom they have sent to SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN : Sir, the Government this august House. consistently is taking a stand that we are ready to discuss any issue and every issue here. ...(Intenvptions) Sir, we have fulfilled our task. We have been responsible to respond to the request of this Government regarding MR. SPEAKER : I have alk)wed the hon. Minister. First, presentation of the Budget. ...(Interruptions) please listen to him. Let him complete please. [Translation] (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : I have albwed him. Let him complete. SHRIPRAKASH PARANJPE (THANE): It has no bearing on the common man. ...(Intemiptions) The issue of R.S.S. is SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN : Sir, he wants to speak, but he not Important for the common man. ...(Interruptions) does not have the courage to listen to me. ...(Intenvptions) That Is his problem. Sir. ...(Interruptions) [English] SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA : Sir, the people shouki MR. SPEAKER ; I have not alk)wed you.