Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Speaker The Honourable Ben Hanuschak Vol. XVI No. 69 8:00p.m., Friday, October 10th, 1969. First Session, 29th Legislature. Printed by R. S. Evans - Queen's Printer for Province of Manitoba . I ELECTORAL DIVISION NAME ADDRESS ARTHUR J. Douglas Watt Reston, Manitoba ASSINIBOIA Steve Patrick 10 Red Robin Place, Winnipeg 12 Bl RTLE-RUSSELL Harry E. Graham Binscarth, Manitoba BRANDON EAST Hon. Leonard S. Evans Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 BRANDON WEST Edward McGill 2228 Princess St., Brandon, Man. BURROWS Hon. Ben Hanuschak 11 Aster Ave., Winnipeg l7 CHAR LESWOOD Arthur Moug 29 Willow Ridge Rd., Winnipeg 20 CHURCHILL Gordon Wilbert Beard 103 Copper Rd., Thompson, Man. CRESCENTWOOD Cy Gonick 115 Kingsway, Winnipeg 9 DAUPHIN Hon. Peter Burtniak Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 ELMWOOD RussellJ. Doern 104 Roberta Ave., Winnipeg 15 EMERSON Gabriel Girard 25 Lomond Blvd., St. Boniface 6 FUN FLON Thomas Barrow Cranberry Portage, Manitoba FORT GARRY Bud Sherman 86 Niagara St., Winnipeg 9 FORT ROUGE Mrs. lnez Trueman 179 Oxford St., Winnipeg 9 GIMLI John C. Gottfried 44- 3rd Ave., Gimli, Man. GLADSTONE James Robert Ferguson Gladstone, Manitoba INKSTER Hon. Sidney Green Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 KILDONAN Peter Fox 627 Prince Rupert Ave., Winnipeg 15 LAC DU BONNET Hon. Sam Uskiw Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 LAKESIDE Harry J. Enns Woodlands, Manitoba LA VERENDRYE Leonard A. Barkman Box 130, Steinbach, Man. LOGAN William Jenkins 1287 Alexander Ave., Winnipeg 3 MINNEDOSA Waiter Weir Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 MORRIS Warner H. Jorgenson Box 185, Morris, Man. OSBORNE lan Turnbull 284 Wildwood Park, Winnipeg 19 PEMBINA George Henderson Manitou, Manitoba POINT DOUGLAS Donald Malinowski 361 Burrows Ave., Winnipeg 4 PORTAGE LA PRAIRIE Gordon E. Johnston 7 Massey Dr., Portage la Prairie, Man. RADISSON Harry Shafransky 4 Maplehurst Rd., St. Boniface 6 · RHINELAND Jacob M. Froese Winkler, Manitoba RIEL Donald W. Craik 66 River Rd., Winnipeg 8 RIVER HEIGHTS Sidney Spivak, Q.C. 1516 Mathers Bay, West, Winnipeg 9 ROBLIN J. Wally McKenzie lnglis, Manitoba ROCK LAKE Henry J. Einarson Glenboro, Manitoba ROSSMERE Hon. Ed. Schreyer Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 RUPERTSLAND Jean Allard 119 Provencher Ave., St. Boniface 6 ST. BONIFACE Laurent L Desjardins 357 Des Meurons St., St. Boniface 6 ST. GEORGE Bill Uruski Box 629, Arborg, Manitoba ST.JAMES Hon. Al. Mackling Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 ST.JOHNS Hon. Saul Cherniack, Q.C. Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 ST. MATTHEWS Wally Johannson 471 Home St., Winnipeg 10 ST. VITAL Jack Hardy 11 Glenlawn Ave., Winnipeg 8 STE. ROSE Gildas Molgat 463 Kingston Crescent, Winnipeg 8 SELKIRK Hon. Howard Pawley Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 SEVEN OAKS Hon. Saul A. Miller Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 SOURIS-KILLARNEY Earl McKellar Nesbitt, Manitoba SPRINGFIELD Hon. Rene E. Toupin Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 STURGEON CREEK FrankJohnston 310 Overdale St., Winnipeg 12 SWAN RIVER James H. Bilton Swan River, Manitoba THE PAS Ron McBryde 56 Paul Ave., The Pas, Manitoba THOMPSON Hon. Joseph P. Borowski Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 TRANSCONA Hon. Russell Paulley Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 VIR DEN Morris McGregor Kenton, Manitoba WELLINGTON Hon. Philip Petursson Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 WINNIPEG CENTRE Bud Boyce 777 Winnipeg Ave., Winnipeg 3 WOLSELEY Leonard H. Claydon 116% Sherbrook St., Winnipeg 1 1665 THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 8:00 o'clock, Friday, October 10 , 1969 : Opening Prayer by Mr. Speaker. 1, MR.SPEAKER: Presenting Petitions; Reading and Receivmg Petitions; Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Committees; Notices of Motion; Introduction of Bills. Orders of the Day. ORAL QUESTION PERIOD MR.SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Birtle-Russell. MR. HARRY E. GRAHAM (Birtle-Russell): Mr. Speaker, Ild like to address my question to the Honourable Mi nister of Transportation. Could the Honourable Minister give me any indication now as to whether or not we will have new lioence plates next year? MR.SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Churchill. MR.GORDON W. BEARD (Churchill): Are we going to cl os� tonight? MR.LAURENT L. DESJARDINS (st. Boniface): If you sit down and keep quiet. MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Riel. 1 . _ 1 MR.DONALD W. CRAIK (Riel): Mr. Speaker, in the absent;:e of the House Leader or the First Minister, may I perhaps ask the Minister of Finance, will the Committee on Public Utilities be called during this session of the Legislature? HON. SAUL CHERNIACK, Q.C. (Minister of Finance)(St. Johns): Mr. Speaker, we shall see. MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Lakeside. 1 MR. HARRY ENNS (Lakeside): Mr. Speaker, in the absence of the First Minister I direct my question to the Minister of Finance. Has the Government of Manitoba heard of Mr. Durnin? MR. CHERNIACK: Mr. Speaker, I'm not aware of what the government hears of, but I ' personally know several people by that name. MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Riel. MR.CRAIK: A supplementary question. Are they all agreed? MR. CHERNIACK: I would say they are all agreeable. ORDERS OF THE :OAY MR. CHERNIACK: Mr. Speaker, ifwe 're ready to proceed with the business of the day, I beg to move, seconded by the Honourable Minister of Consumer Protection and Corporate Affairs, that Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair and the House r�solve itself into a committee to consider of the supply to be granted to Her Majesty. - - MR. SPEAKER presented the motion and after a voice vote d�claredj the motion carried and the House resolved itself into Committee of Supply with the Hohourable Member for Elmwood in the Chair. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY MR.CHERNIACK: Mr. Chairman, I wonder if we could deal now with Consumer and Corporate Affairs on Page 7. MR. CHAIRMAN: Department of Consumerand Corporate Affairs. The Honourable Minister. HON. RENE E. TOUPIN (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs)(Springfield): Mr. Chairman, I had about four or five pages ready here but I'll try and reduce this to a few phrases. In the government reorganization, this department repla?es the Department of the Provincial Secretary and the Public Utilities. While some of the responsibilities of the former departments have been reassigned to other government department�, such as the Queen's Printer and the Civil Service Commission to the Department of Goiernment Services; Emer­ gency Measures Organization to Municipal Affairs; and the Motor Vehicle Branch to Trans­ portation; the newly formed department will continue to administer the Companies Branch, the registration of business names, applications under The Change of Name Act, authorization under The Charities Endorsement Act, the Public Utilities Board and the recently established Securities Commission. The Public Utilities Board and its staff has included in its responsi­ bilities the registration of real estate brokers and salesmen and m�rtgage brokers. The Boxing and Wrestling Commissions and the Horse Racing Commission have been added to the responsibilities of this department, having been acquired from the Department of the 1666 October 10, 1969 (MR . TOUPINcon t'd. ) ....• Attorney-General andthe De partment of Agricultu re . Any fur ther comments will come forth if there are any que stions . MR.JA COB M. FROE SE (Rhine land): Mr . Chairman, I don't intend to discuss the estimate s at length . I just wanted to know from the Minister has the Consumer Bureau been set up and who will be its director ? MR.TOU PIN: Mr . Chairman, in answer to the Honourable Member from Rhine land, the Burea11 has not been set up to this date ; the director has not been chosen. We hope that the bureau will be in full operation by the 1st of January, 1970. MR.CHAIR MAN: Re solution 24. The Honourab le Member for Rie l. MR.CR AIK: Mr . Chairman, it ju st suddenly occurs that for the last two months we have been directing our que stions to the wrong Minister. I ju st realized now that he 's the Minister of Public Utilitie s. Would he call the Committee on Public Utilitie s? MR• TO UP IN: I'll take that que stion as notice. MR.CHA IRMAN : Re solution 24. The Honourable Member for Assiniboia. MR.STE VE PATRICK (Assiniboia): Mr . Chairman, I wish to thank the Honourable Minister for his short statement . I feel that in the last, almost two months, we have had considerable debate inresp ect to Consumer Affairs and the consumer le gislation that has just been passed in this session. I do feel that the Consumer Bureau will probably be the most important function in the le gislation that we passed this year , an d I would like to serve notice to the Minister that I think in order for the Consumer Bureau to do a pr oper job that he '11 have to do a considerable amount of advertising in or der to make it accessible to pe ople where they'll be familiar with it and know that they can phone the Consumer Bureau in any pr oblem that they have , so that there will be somebody come out to see them and try to resolve the pr ob lem that they have . Not only that you'll have to do it through advertising , I think you'll have to do a certainamou nt of pub lication , education and pe rhaps maybe the Consume .r Bureau should also have speake rs available to certain clubs, service clubs and many or ganiza ­ tions, that pe ople will be familiar with it. So I think that there 's a certain amount of education that will have to be done in respect to the Consumer Bureau itself, and I think your Consumer Bureau will pr obab ly be the most impor tant function in this whole consumer le gislation.