Second Session - Fortieth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development Chairperson Ms. Erna Braun Constituency of Rossmere Vol. LXV No. 8 - 6 p.m., Monday, September 9, 2013 ISSN 1708-6698 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Fortieth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital NDP ALLUM, James Fort Garry-Riverview NDP ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley NDP ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson NDP BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli NDP BLADY, Sharon Kirkfield Park NDP BRAUN, Erna Rossmere NDP BRIESE, Stuart Agassiz PC CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East NDP CHIEF, Kevin, Hon. Point Douglas NDP CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan NDP CROTHERS, Deanne St. James NDP CULLEN, Cliff Spruce Woods PC DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk NDP DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood PC EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FRIESEN, Cameron Morden-Winkler PC GAUDREAU, Dave St. Norbert NDP GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Liberal GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach PC GRAYDON, Cliff Emerson PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC HOWARD, Jennifer, Hon. Fort Rouge NDP IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri, Hon. Fort Richmond NDP JHA, Bidhu Radisson NDP KOSTYSHYN, Ron, Hon. Swan River NDP LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. Dawson Trail NDP MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns NDP MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden PC MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Flor, Hon. Logan NDP MARCELINO, Ted Tyndall Park NDP MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel NDP MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East PC NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake NDP OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River NDP PALLISTER, Brian Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine Midland PC PETTERSEN, Clarence Flin Flon NDP REID, Daryl, Hon. Transcona NDP ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Kewatinook NDP RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia NDP ROWAT, Leanne Riding Mountain PC SARAN, Mohinder The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron St. Paul PC SELBY, Erin, Hon. Southdale NDP SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St. Boniface NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Verendrye PC STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo PC STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin NDP SWAN, Andrew, Hon. Minto NDP WHITEHEAD, Frank The Pas NDP WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WIGHT, Melanie Burrows NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC Vacant Morris 453 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT Monday, September 9, 2013 TIME – 6 p.m. Mr. Robert Campbell, private citizen Mr. Ray Franzmann, Rural Municipality of Grey LOCATION – Winnipeg, Manitoba Mr. David Sutherland, private citizen CHAIRPERSON – Ms. Erna Braun (Rossmere) Ms. Holly Krysko, private citizen Ms. Phyllis Thordarson, private citizen VICE-CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Ted Marcelino Mr. Melvin Klassen, Town of Altona (Tyndall Park) Mr. Kevin Ateah, private citizen ATTENDANCE – 11 QUORUM – 6 Ms. Joannie Halas, private citizen Mr. Jim Pringle, private citizen Members of the Committee present: Mr. Kerry Knudson, private citizen Mr. Charles Chappell, Rural Municipality of Hon. Messrs. Kostyshyn, Lemieux, Hon. Ms. Victoria Beach Marcelino Ms. Kathleen McKibbin, private citizen Ms. Braun, Messrs. Briese, Caldwell, Ewasko, Ms. Penny McMorris, private citizen Graydon, Marcelino, Nevakshonoff, Pedersen Mr. Mike Mason, private citizen Mr. Brian Hodgson, Victoria Beach Cottage APPEARING: Owners Association Mr. Ivan McMorris, private citizen Hon. Jennifer Howard, MLA for Fort Rouge Mr. Garett Surcon, private citizen Hon. Jon Gerrard, MLA for River Heights Ms. Jennifer Sime, private citizen Mr. Ralph Eichler, MLA for Lakeside Mr. Vic Janzen, private citizen Mr. Cliff Cullen, MLA for Spruce Woods Mr. Brian Glowacki, private citizen PUBLIC PRESENTERS: Ms. Joanne Gibson, private citizen Mr. Bruce Ball, private citizen Mr. Doug Dobrowolski, Association of Manitoba WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS: Municipalities Mr. Rick Pauls, Amalgamated Municipalities of Pam Gordon, private citizen Killarney-Turtle Mountain Gordon Tomlin, private citizen Ms. Debbie McMechan, Rural Municipality of Jennifer Engbrecht, private citizen Edward Walter Tymchuk, private citizen Ms. Olive McKean, Rural Municipality of Glen and Sharon Torgerson, private citizens Miniota Peter Ingram, private citizen Mr. Larry Oakden, Town of Hamiota John R. Gow, private citizen Mr. Cliff Kutzan, Rural Municipality of Ron and Sherill Zellis, private citizens Grandview Dick and Elaine Archer, private citizens Ms. Susan Stein, Town of Plum Coulee Elizabeth Deacon, private citizen Mr. Archie Heinrichs, private citizen Murray Davies and Doreen Stapleton, Rural Ms. June Letkeman, private citizen Municipality of Harrison Mr. Steve Martens, private citizen Donna Thain, private citizen Mr. Lloyd Penner, private citizen Marjorie Birley, private citizen Mr. Wayne Reimer, private citizen Graham and Allison Bloomer, private citizens Mr. Jack Wiebe, private citizen Joyce Ramsay, private citizen Mr. Rick Gamble, Village of Dunnottar Fran Allary, private citizen Mr. Philip Thordarson, Rural Municipality of Sally Lawler, private citizen Lakeview Fred Taylor, Rural Municipality of Lawrence Ms. Karin Boyd, private citizen Brad Coe, Rural Municipality of Cameron Mr. Tom Farrell, private citizen Dennis Forbes, Rural Municipality of Dauphin 454 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA September 9, 2013 Beverley Underhill, private citizen Derek Klassen, Rural Municipality of Glenella Bob Conibear, Rural Municipality of Argyle Eileen Clarke, Town of Gladstone Ab and Betty Hansford, private citizens David B. McKibbin, private citizen Liz and Kenn Olson, private citizens Keith Middleton, private citizen E. Ross Yarnell, private citizen Anne Middleton, private citizen Cathy Haining, private citizen Gail Middleton, private citizen Mary Andres, private citizen Gregg Hanson, private citizen Jeannette and Marcel Charbonneau, private Heather Anderson, private citizen citizens Jake Goertzen, Town of Manitou Frances and Jim Woolison, private citizens Ray Halas, private citizen Mo Tipples, private citizen Frank and Theresa Nardella, private citizens Bill McDonald, private citizen MATTERS UNDER CONSIDERATION: Margaret Richardson, private citizen Margaret McPherson, private citizen Bill 33–The Municipal Modernization Act D. Wayne and Barbara Leslie, private citizens (Municipal Amalgamations) Patrick Hoger, private citizen * * * Phil Murray, private citizen Jim and Carol Nowell, private citizens Clerk Assistant (Mr. Andrea Signorelli): Good Dianne Ungarian, private citizen evening. Will the Standing Committee on Social and Eleanor and Ellert Wattis, private citizens Economic Development please come to order. David and Constance Drybrough, private Before the committee can proceed with the citizens business before it, it must elect a new Chairperson. Dale Sawchuk, Village of Binscarth Are there any nominations? Mary McIntosh, private citizen K. Helmut Hesse, private citizen Hon. Ron Kostyshyn (Minister of Agriculture, Marlene Boyda, private citizen Food and Rural Initiatives): I nominate Erna Braun Trish Richardson Mason, private citizen to be the acting Chair. Joan Irving, private citizen Clerk Assistant: Ms. Braun has been nominated. Debra McKibbin, private citizen Are there any other nominations? Raymond Moreau, private citizen Mona Yvon-Moreau, private citizen Hearing no other nominations, Ms. Braun, will Frances Krahn, private citizen you please take the Chair. Bryan Purdy, private citizen Madam Chairperson: Okay, our next item of Deborah and Victor Ritchie, private citizens business is the election of a Vice-Chair. Are there T. G. Flook, private citizen any nominations? Ron and Dawn Kirbyson, private citizens Karen and Gordon Paul, private citizens Mr. Kostyshyn: I nominate Mr. Ted Marcelino. Bill Mitchell, private citizen Madam Chairperson: We have Ted Marcelino Diana E. Pennington, private citizen nominated as Vice-Chair. Are there any other Erik Reinart, private citizen nominations? Deborah Covernton, private citizen Terry and Dianne Boyce, private citizens Seeing none, Mr. Marcelino is elected as Del Sexsmith, private citizen Vice-Chairperson. Rita and Lloyd Mymko, private citizens This meeting has been called to consider Noreen Reid, private citizen Bill 33, the municipal modernization, municipal Ronald and Janet Smith, private citizens amalgamations. Janet and Mike Sampson, private citizens Josephine and Henry Dellapenta, private I would like to inform all in attendance of citizens the provisions in our rules regarding the hour of Margaret Ann Anderson, private citizen adjournment. Except by unanimous consent, a Tim and Mary Louise Ryan, private citizens standing committee meeting to consider a bill in Arne Lindell, Rural Municipality of Eriksdale the evening must not sit past midnight to hear a Karen Klisko, private citizen presentation unless fewer than 20 presenters are September 9, 2013 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 455 registered to speak to all bills being considered we can tonight. We don't want to delay proceedings, when the committee meets at 6 p.m. And we have– so we'll go with the list until we've got that list of as of 6 o'clock this evening, there are 83 persons people who've travelled more than two hours, but registered to speak, as noted on the list of presenters then I would suggest we should proceed through that before you. Therefore, according to our rules, list first so they can get going back to their homes. this committee may not sit past midnight to hear Madam Chairperson: Are we in agreement with presentations. that? [Agreed] I would also add that, as previously announced, So anyone who has travelled more than several that the Standing Committee on Social and hours to get here, perhaps you can meet with the Economic Development would meet again Tuesday,