Printed (by Authority) by Nelson Press Co. Ltd., St. George's Street, Douglas, Isle of Man REPORT OF PDEOCEEDORIGS OF TiikTnAro mums Douglas, Tuesday, June 15, 1982 at 10.30 a.m. Present: The Governor (Rear Admiral Sir Nigel Cecil, K.B.E., C.B.). In the Council: The President of the Council (the hon. J. C. Nivison, C.B.E.), The Lord Bishop (the Rt. Rev. Vernon Nicholls), the Attorney-General (Mr. T. W. Cain), Messrs. G. T. Crellin, R. E. S. Kerruish, R. MacDonald, W. A. Moore, P. Radcliffe, A. H. Simcocks, M.B.E., G. C. Swales, with Mr. T. A. Bawden, Clerk of the Council. In the Keys: The Speaker (the Hon. Sir Charles Kerruish, O.B.E.), Messrs. R. J. G. Anderson, W. K. Quirk, J. J. Radcliffe, J. N. Radcliffe, Mrs. C. M. Christian, Dr. E. J. Mann, Messrs. A. A. Callin, D. G. Maddrell, R. A. Payne, E. G. Lowey, M. R. Walker, N. Q. Cringle, Dr. D. L. Moore, Mr. C. A. Cain, Dr. H. D. Teare, C.V.O., Messrs. G. A. Quinney, M.B.E., G. V. H. Kneale, A. C. Duggan, E. M. Ward, B.E.M., D. F. K. Delaney, D. Martin, J. A. Brown, with Mr. R. B. M. Quayle, Clerk of Tynwald. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE. The Governor: Hon. members, I have apologies for absence from the hon. member for West Douglas, Mrs. Hanson, who is away on Board business. BILLS FOR SIGNATURE. The Governor: We have one Bill for signature, the Land Registration Bill 1982. If members agree we will continue with our business while it is signed. It was agreed. PAPERS LAID BEFORE THE COURT The Governor: I call on the Clerk to lay papers. The Clerk: I lay before the Court:— Customs and Excise Acts (Application) Act 1975— Spirits Regulations (Application) Order 1982. Excise Warehousing (Etc.) Regulations (Application) Order 1982. (The United Kingdom Regulations in connection with the above two Orders are available for perusal in the Central Reference Library.) Customs and Excise Acts (Application) (Amendment) Order 1982. Apologies for Absence. — Bills for Signature. — Papers Laid Before the Court. T932 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 15, 1982 Fees, Charges, Etc. Enabling Act 1972— Sale of Methylated Spirits (Variation of Fees, Charges, Etc.) Order 1982. Variation of Fees Order 1982. Payment of Members' Expenses Act 1975— Payment of Members' Expenses Act 1975 (Amendment) Order 1982. Price Marking Act 1976— Price Marking (Petrol Prices) (Amendment) Order 1982. Weights and Measures Acts 1971 and 1978— Weights and Measures, Measuring Equipment (Liquid Fuel Delivered from Road Tankers) Regulations 1982. Town and Country Planning Acts 1934 to 1981— Isle of Man Planning Scheme (Development Plan) Provisional Order 1982. (Plan available for inspection in the Members' Room.) Manual Workers— Manual Workers Superannuation (Amendment) Scheme 1982. Social Security Legislation (Application) Act 1974— Social Security Legislation (Application) (No. 2) Order 1982. British Nationality (Fees) Act 1949— British Nationality (Fees) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1982. Cremation Act 1957— Cremation Regulations 1982. Game Acts 1882 to 1971. Game Order 1982. Road Traffic Act 1963— Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 1982. Traffic Signs (Speed Limits) Regulations and General Directions 1982. Immigration— Immigration (Registration with Police) (Isle of Man) (Amendment) Regulations 1982. Highways (Transfer) Act 1981-- Transfer of Highways (Castletown) Order 1982. Transfer of Highways (Peel) Order 1982. Transfer of Highways (Ramsey) Order 1982. Transfer of Highways (Port St. Mary) Order 1982. European Communities— Applicable European Communities Secondary Legislation, April 1982. Accounts— Audited Accounts of the Government Treasurer for the year ended 31st March 1981. Annual Reports- Repo•t of the Isle of Man Board of Education for the year ended 31st March 1981. Annual Report of the work of the Isle of Man Board of Education in the exercise of their functions under the Children and Young Persons Acts 1966 to 1974, for the year ended 31st March 1981. Papers Laid Before the Court. TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 15, 1982 T933 Report of the Isle of Man Electricity Board for the year ended 31st March 1981. Report of the Health Services Advisory Council for the year ended 31st March 1981. Report of the Isle of Man Harbour Board for the year ended 31st March 1981. Annual Report of the Isle of Man Criminal Injuries Compensation Tribunal for the year ended 31st March 1982. Report of the Church Commissioners for the Isle of Man for the year ended 31st December 1981. EXECUTIVE COUNCIL—TYNWALD APPROVAL FOR FUTURE POLICY —QUESTION BY MR. DELANEY. The Governor: We will now turn to the Question Paper. Question number 1. I call upon the hon. member for East Douglas, Mr. Delaney. Mr. Delaney: Your Excellency, I beg to ask the Chairman of Executive Council— When do Executive Council propose to seek Tynwald's approval to a programme of policies for the next five years? Mr. P. Radcliffe: Your Excellency, the hon. member, I am sure, will appreciate that without any strong recommendations from Executive Council in the past the decisions on policy have basically been made by the Finance Board through the Budget. At the Employment Committee level we have discussed policy for employment, which must be one of our priorities, for the next five years, and the Chairman of Finance Board and I will be having further meetings on direct policy. We will then report firstly to Executive Council and I hope to be able to report back to Tynwald in October. Com- prehensive and effective long-term planning requires a full appraisal and careful consideration of all the facts, and it is becoming abundantly clear that if Executive Council is to formulate government policy, it must have a secretariat of the highest calibre, responsible entirely to it, but available to other boards and departments. At present the formulation of a long-term policy depends ultimately on the goodwill of boards, and sectional interest must be subordinate to overall interest. What we therefore need is a "think-tank" producing ideas for policies, checking with other boards their projected programmes, checking when apparently necessary individual items of expendi- li ture and reporting regularly to Executive Council. In the meantime, while investigating the possibility of setting up such a think-tank thought should be given to the possibility of such professional men also carrying out the duties in the resolution to be moved in item number 19 on today's Agenda. Mr. Delaney: I am obliged to the hon. Chairman for his comprehensive answer, Your Excellency, and as a supporter of a five-year plan or plan of campaign to get this Island through these difficult years, I would ask the hon. Chairman: How at this moment is he not aware that boards may be carrying out policies which are probably contrary to policy which he wants this Island to pursue and Executive Council wish this Island to pursue? Also, when he mentioned the staff in his first answer, what staff has he to be able to liaise and co-ordinate policy which he may wish to implement through Executive Council, and to organise it so that boards and departments of this Government are in a position to follow the policy directions of his Council? Executive Council—Tynwald Approval for Future Policy—Question by Mr. Delaney. T934 TYNWALD COURT, JUNE 15, 1982 Mr. P. Radcliffe: That is a very far-ranging question, Your Excellency! Mr. Delaney: It is a very important one. Mr. P. Radcliffe: A very important one. I think, basically, by co-operation with the Finance Board, who, as I have already said, over the past years have declared their policy through the Budget, we are well aware at Executive Council level, through the Chairman of Finance Board's being a member of Executive Council and keeping us informed of what is being done. If you can give us any instances of where boards are formulating policy contrary to what has been approved in the Budget, I would very much like to know of them. I keep in constant contact with the chairmen of the various boards who come to see me quite regularly and have discussions, and I have not up to now come across the situation where any board chairman is putting forward projects that have not been approved in the past Budget. As far as the staff situation is con- cerned, what I have emphasised to you this morning in my reply was the fact that the whole situation wants reviewing because at the present moment Executive Council do not have a think-tank or staff to advise the Executive Council on ideas that can be formulated, having discussed them with the principal executives of all other boards. And I have been progressing along these lines, and I am sure you will agree that you cannot change overnight a system that has been continued for many years. But I think the principle has got to be accepted that if Executive Council is going to formulate the policy they have got to get co-operation from all boards of Tynwald, and it is by co-operation we are going to produce this policy. Mr. Delaney: I thank the hon. Chairman. One supplementary: Would the hon. member take careful note of the answers given to question number 9 on this paper? Mr. P. Radcliffe: I certainly will, I have noted the Question Paper very thoroughly. PRICE OF BARLEY—QUESTION BY THE SPEAKER. The Governor: Question number 2. I call upon the hon. Mr. Speaker. The Speaker: Your Excellency, I beg to ask the Chairman of the Isle of Man Board of Agriculture and Fisheries:— 1. What is the price to local millers of feeding barley out of intervention stocks during the month of June? 2.