Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Speaker The Honourable Ben Hanuschak Vol. XV II No. 88 8:00p.m., Monday, May 25th, 1970. Second Session, 29th Legislature. Printed by R. S. Evans - Queen's Printer for Province of Mamtoba ELECTORAL DIVISION NAME ADDRESS ARTHUR J. Douglas Watt Reston, Manitoba ASSINIBOIA Steve Patrick 10 Red Robin Place, Winnipeg 12 Bl RTLE-RUSSE LL Harry E. Graham Binscarth, Manitoba BRANDON EAST Hon. Leonard S. Evans Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 BRANDON WEST Edward McGill 2228 Princess Ave., Brandon, Man. BURROWS Hon. Ben Hanuschak 11 Aster Ave., Winnipeg 17 CHARLESWOOD Arthur Moug 29 Willow Ridge Rd., Winnipeg 20 CHURCHILL Gordon Wilbert Beard 148 Riverside Drive, Thompson, Man. CRESCENTWOOD Cy Gonick 115 Kingsway, Winnipeg 9 DAUPHIN Hon. Peter Burtniak Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 ELMWOOD Russell J. Doern 705 - 33 Kennedy St., Winnipeg 1 EMERSON Gabriel Girard 25 Lomond Blvd., St. Boniface 6 FLIN FLON Thomas Barrow Cranberry Portage, Manitoba FORT GARRY L. R. (Bud} Sherman 86 Niagara St., Winnipeg 9 FORT ROUGE Mrs. Inez Trueman 179 Oxford St., Winnipeg 9 GIMLI John C. Gottfried 44 - 3rd Ave., Gimli, Man. GLADSTONE James Robert Ferguson Gladstone, Manitoba INKSTER Hon. Sidney Green, Q.C. Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 KILDONAN Peter Fox 627 Prince Rupert Ave., Winnipeg 15 LAC DU BONNET Hon. Sam Uskiw Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 LAKESIDE Harry J. Enns Woodlands, Manitoba LA VERENDRYE Leonard A. Barkman Box 130, Steinbach, Man. LOGAN William Jenkins 1287 Alexander Ave., Winnipeg 3 MINNEDOSA Walter Weir Room 250, Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 MORRIS Warner H. Jorgenson Box 185, Morris, Man. OSBORNE Jan Turnbull 284 Wildwood Park, Winnipeg 19 PEMBINA George Henderson Manitou, Manitoba POINT DOUGLAS Donald Malinowski 361 Burrows Ave., Winnipeg 4 PORTAGE LA PRAIRIE Gordon E. Johnston Room 248, Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 RADISSON Harry Shafransky 4 Maplehurst Rd., St. Boniface 6 RHINELAND Jacob M. Froese Box 40, Winkler, Manitoba RIEL Donald W. Craik -2 River Lane, Winnipeg 8 RIVER HEIGHTS Sidney Spivak, Q.C. 1516 Mathers Bay, West, Winnipeg 9 ROBLIN J. Wally McKenzie Inglis, Manitoba ROCK LAKE Henry J. Einarson Glenboro, Manitoba ROSSMERE Hon. Ed. Schreyer Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 RUPERTSLAND Jean Allard 602- 245 Provencher Ave., St. Boniface 6 ST. BONIFACE Laurent L. Desjardins 357 Des Meurons St., St. Boniface 6 ST. GEORGE William Uruski Box 629, Arborg, Manitoba ST. JAMES Hon. A. H. Mackling, Q.C. Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 ST. JOHNS Hon. Saul Cherniack, Q.C. Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 ST. MATTHEWS Wally Johannson 15- 500 Burnell St., Winnipeg 10 ST. VITAL J. A. Hardy 11 Glenlawn Ave., Winnipeg 8 STE. ROSE Gildas Molgat 463 Kingston Crescent, Winnipeg 8 SELKIRK Hon. Howard Pawley Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 SEVEN OAKS Hon. Saul A. Miller Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 SOURIS-KILLARNEY Earl McKellar Nesbitt, Manitoba SPRINGFIELD Hon. Rene E. Toupin Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 STURGEON CREEK Frank Johnston 310 Overdale St., Winnipeg 12 SWAN RIVER James H. Bilton Swan River, Manitoba THE PAS Ron McBryde 531 Greenacres Blvd., Winnipeg 12 THOMPSON Hon. Joseph P. Borowski Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg l TRANSCONA Hon. Russell Paulley Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 VIRDEN Morris McGregor Kenton, Manitoba WELLINGTON Hon. Philip Petursson Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 WINNIPEG CENTRE J. R. (Bud) l:loyce 777 Winnipeg Ave., Winnipeg 3 WOLSELEY Leonard H. Claydon 116'1:. Sherbrook St., Winnipeg 1 2249 THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 8:00 o'clock, Monday, May 25, 1970 MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Souris-Killarney. MR. McKELLAR: Mr. Speaker, as I was speaking on this Bill 56 before the House ad­ journed at 5:30, I was replying to some of the remarks that the Honourable the Attorney-General had made this afternoon, and I think I should carry on with two or three more points that he was trying to emphasize and put up his argument in his prepared speech. Now I haven't got a prepared speech here, as I'm no good at writing a speech and I couldn't read one if I did have one written, but I want to reply here to a couple of the statements that were made, and one on crop insurance. And I think I should reply to this. I happen to be the only one on the govern­ ment side that was around in March of 159, and I think it's my duty to reply to this statement. The late Honourable Erick Willis was the Minister of Agriculture at that time, and along with myself and other members who were elected at that time, brought in this crop insurance. And I think I should mention the name of the late Harry Shewman, because everybody knc;>ws what his position was on crop insurance. He wanted crop insurance for the farmer but he wanted options, and this is the kind of crop insurance that we got in the Province of ManitoQa. and it still exists 11 years later. And for the Honourable Atkrney-General to say thatthis is com­ pulsory is a complete untruth, because it is not compulsory. He mentioned the test areas were made compulsory by law. Sure they're made by law, but it's only at the individual farmer's option whether you want to take this -- (Interjection) -- Well, if you want to make a speech in your seat that's up to you; I'm making my speech. The test areas were set up in the province, I think five test areas, at that time, with the option the farmers could take it ---- the only way a test area could become a test area was that 25 percent of the farmers had to sign up. As we all know, these areas became very suc­ cessful and later there was expansion of these crop insurance areas in the Province of Manitoba to the point where all the province is practically covered at the present time. Now, for the benefit of the Attorney-General, I would like to say to him at this time, before crop insurance came in, and still is, it's a requirement by each farmer, if he's not insured with crop insur­ ance, that he must pay one percent of all the monies that he sells in grain go to PF A. If he takes out crop insurance, he's not required to pay that one percent. There's nothing compul­ sory about this. It's been a benefit to the farmers of Manitoba. -- (Interjection) -- What are you laughing about? MR. USKIW: . seduction. MR. MACKLING: That wasn't compulsory; he said it was seduction. MR. McKELLAR: Well, that might be your thinking but for the farmers of Manitoba this has been a good program, and for anyone to mention that this is compulsory, this is a complete untruth, as I said before. So I'd like to straighten you out on that because I don't think you ever saw the rear end of a hog yet nor never will. MR. MACKLING: I know the head better than the rear end. MR. McKELLAR: . never got out to the country to see a hog. I want to tell you what this program was because you weren't in this House either, and I don't knowhow you be­ came so famous in agricultural policies as you are. But I want to tell you about the Hog Com­ mission, what this was set up, and this was set up with the guidance of the late Harry Shewman too. Now this is a good program because it's not compulsory- it's not compulsory. The only thing that's compulsory is the check off. That's the only part that's compulsory. You don't have to take your hogs to the Hog Commission, and I would like to say to you now that the aver­ age -- (Interjection) -- If you want to make a speech in your seat, you wait awhile. I'm speaking here. Mr. Speaker, if you can't keep better order, I'll sit down until there is better order. But I want to tell you now that the average is around 60 percent of all the hogs that go through the Hog Commission, and this has been a wonderful program and it's lived up to its expectations. Now we have heard this afternoon many other cases, like medical. This is always brought in.Every time, you hear the Socialists mention, "Well we got medical; this is compulsory." Sure it's compulsory and it was brought in in Ottawa, and what hope did the Manitoba Govern­ ment have to hold out? We either had to come in or leave $27 million on the table, and tax people twice. Now what would you do in a position like that? What would you do? I know what you'd do- you'd take it; and this is what we did, and we're not happy about it either because the plan that we brought in in the initial stages was the right one. It's an incentive to stay 2250 May 25, 1970 (.MR. McKELLAR cont'd.) . away from the doctor's office rather than to go there. I had nothing to do with that. They vote as they see fit and I vote as I see fit, and the Socialists always don't agree with you, the ones that are down in Ottawa either. Now let's get back to automobile insurance. Let's get back to it. Now I hold in my hand here two rate books. Neither one of you ever saw them but everybody seems to be an expert on insurance. Nobody ever saw a rate book but they're all experts.