OPERATION FAST AND FURIOUS: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BORDER HEARING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED TWELFTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION JULY 26, 2011 Serial No. 112–100 Printed for the use of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform ( Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.fdsys.gov http://www.house.gov/reform U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 72–802 PDF WASHINGTON : 2012 For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512–1800; DC area (202) 512–1800 Fax: (202) 512–2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402–0001 COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM DARRELL E. ISSA, California, Chairman DAN BURTON, Indiana ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland, Ranking JOHN L. MICA, Florida Minority Member TODD RUSSELL PLATTS, Pennsylvania EDOLPHUS TOWNS, New York MICHAEL R. TURNER, Ohio CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York PATRICK T. MCHENRY, North Carolina ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of JIM JORDAN, Ohio Columbia JASON CHAFFETZ, Utah DENNIS J. KUCINICH, Ohio CONNIE MACK, Florida JOHN F. TIERNEY, Massachusetts TIM WALBERG, Michigan WM. LACY CLAY, Missouri JAMES LANKFORD, Oklahoma STEPHEN F. LYNCH, Massachusetts JUSTIN AMASH, Michigan JIM COOPER, Tennessee ANN MARIE BUERKLE, New York GERALD E. CONNOLLY, Virginia PAUL A. GOSAR, Arizona MIKE QUIGLEY, Illinois RAU´ L R. LABRADOR, Idaho DANNY K. DAVIS, Illinois PATRICK MEEHAN, Pennsylvania BRUCE L. BRALEY, Iowa SCOTT DESJARLAIS, Tennessee PETER WELCH, Vermont JOE WALSH, Illinois JOHN A. YARMUTH, Kentucky TREY GOWDY, South Carolina CHRISTOPHER S. MURPHY, Connecticut DENNIS A. ROSS, Florida JACKIE SPEIER, California FRANK C. GUINTA, New Hampshire BLAKE FARENTHOLD, Texas MIKE KELLY, Pennsylvania LAWRENCE J. BRADY, Staff Director JOHN D. CUADERES, Deputy Staff Director ROBERT BORDEN, General Counsel LINDA A. GOOD, Chief Clerk DAVID RAPALLO, Minority Staff Director (II) C O N T E N T S Page Hearing held on July 26, 2011 ............................................................................... 1 Statement of: Gil, Darren, former ATF Attache to Mexico; Jose Wall, ATF Senior Spe- cial Agent, Tijuana, Mexico; Carlos Canino, ATF Acting Attache in Mexico; Lorren Leadmon, ATF Intelligence Operations Specialist; Wil- liam Newell, former ATF Special Agent in Charge, Phoenix Field Divi- sion; and William McMahon, ATF Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations West, including Phoenix and Mexico ....................................... 10 Canino, Carlos ........................................................................................... 23 Gil, Darren ................................................................................................. 10 Leadmon, Lorren ....................................................................................... 30 McMahon, William .................................................................................... 46 Newell, William ......................................................................................... 37 Wall, Jose ................................................................................................... 18 Letters, statements, etc., submitted for the record by: Burton, Hon. Dan, a Representative in Congress from the State of Indi- ana, prepared statement of .......................................................................... 57 Canino, Carlos, ATF Acting Attache in Mexico, prepared statement of ...... 25 Connolly, Hon. Gerald E., a Representative in Congress from the State of Virginia, prepared statement of .............................................................. 80 Cummings, Hon. Elijah E., a Representative in Congress from the State of Maryland, prepared statement of ............................................................ 8 Gil, Darren, former ATF Attache to Mexico, prepared statement of ........... 13 Issa, Chairman Darrell E., a Representative in Congress from the State of California, prepared statement of ........................................................... 4 Leadmon, Lorren, ATF Intelligence Operations Specialist, prepared state- ment of ........................................................................................................... 33 McMahon, William, ATF Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations West, including Phoenix and Mexico, prepared statement of ................... 47 Newell, William, former ATF Special Agent in Charge, Phoenix Field Division, prepared statement of ................................................................... 40 Wall, Jose, ATF Senior Special Agent, Tijuana, Mexico, prepared state- ment of ........................................................................................................... 20 (III) OPERATION FAST AND FURIOUS: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BORDER TUESDAY, JULY 26, 2011 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM, Washington, DC. The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10 a.m., in room 2154, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Darrell E. Issa (chairman of the committee) presiding. Present: Representatives Issa, Burton, Jordan, Chaffetz, Walberg, Lankford, Amash, Buerkle, Gosar, Labrador, Meehan, DesJarlais, Gowdy, Ross, Guinta, Farenthold, Kelly, Cummings, Maloney, Norton, Kucinich, Tierney, Connolly, Quigley, Davis, Welch, Murphy, and Speier. Staff present: Robert Borden, general counsel; Steve Castor, chief counsel, investigations; John Cuaderes, deputy staff director; Carlton Davis, Henry J. Kerner, Jonathan J. Skladany, and Jessica L. Laux, counsels; Kate Dunbar, staff assistant; Adam P. Fromm, director of Member liaison and floor operations; Linda Good, chief clerk; Jean Humbrecht, professional staff member; Ashok M. Pinto, deputy chief counsel, investigations; Laura L. Rush, deputy chief clerk; Ashley Etienne, minority director of communications; Carla Hultberg, minority chief clerk; Justin Kim, Scott Lindsay, Donald Sherman, and Carlos Uriarte, minority counsels; Dave Rapallo, mi- nority staff director; and Susanne Sachman Grooms, minority chief counsel. Chairman ISSA. The hearing will come to order. Today’s hearing continues the committee’s ongoing investigation into the reckless program known as Operation Fast and Furious. The Oversight Committee exists to secure two fundamental prin- ciples: First, Americans have a right to know that the money Washington takes from them is well spent; and second, Americans deserve an efficient, effective government that works for them. Our duty on the Oversight and Government Reform Committee is to protect these rights. Our solemn responsibility is to hold govern- ment accountable to taxpayers because taxpayers have a right to know what they get from their government. We will work tirelessly in partnership with citizen watchdogs to deliver the facts to the American people and to reform the govern- ment’s bureaucracy. Thus far, the committee has heard testimony from ATF agents who reported that they were ordered to let guns destined for Mexican drug cartels to walk away from the hands of known criminals. (1) 2 Today this committee will have the opportunity to question su- pervisors of these agents who knew about and believed these tac- tics were appropriate. The committee will also hear from ATF agents who worked in Mexico and who were horrified to learn ulti- mately about this program. The task before the committee is very serious. The acting direc- tor of ATF in a transcribed interview with investigators has said that the Justice Department is trying to push all of us away from its political appointees. Indeed, the Justice Department continues to withhold key information and has inappropriately interfered with this investigation. Let me be clear, the Justice Department is not our partner in this effort. They are the subject of this investigation, and their con- tinued interference will not be allowed to derail the committee’s work. Last month, members of this committee traveled to Mexico on a factfinding mission where we were briefed on how the United States and Mexican law enforcement agents are working together to fight the drug lords who are responsible for more than 34,000 deaths in the last 41⁄2 years. That effort cannot be derailed by the fallout of Fast and Furious. One of our goals is to ensure that the Mexican Government can have confidence in its partner here in the United States from this date forward that we in fact will not let guns walk, that we will be as open and transparent as possible. In the time ATF officials in Mexico have been increasingly alarmed by both volume and location of weapons that have been re- covered, after reporting these concerns to ATF and Justice Depart- ment officials in Washington, these agents were told nothing about Fast and Furious. Again, our trip to Mexico City taught us that ATF agents and, more importantly, likely DEA agents and likely two U.S. Ambassadors were not informed about a program that was causing an increase in violence and an increase in guns arriv- ing throughout Mexico, from Tijuana to Mexico City to Sonora and beyond. We have before us today witnesses who worked in Mexico for years, and they will tell the committee their frustration about being kept in the dark by officials in Washington and in Phoenix and about what really happened as a result of Operation Fast and Furious. They are going to have the opportunity to tell this com- mittee about what happens when the Justice Department inten- tionally lets weapons flow across the border and how Mexican offi- cials