S. HRG. 115–374 NOMINATION HEARING FOR DEPUTY SECRETARY OF LABOR AND MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD HEARING OF THE COMMITTEE ON HEALTH, EDUCATION, LABOR, AND PENSIONS UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED FIFTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION ON NOMINATION FOR DEPUTY SECRETARY OF LABOR AND MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD JULY 13, 2017 Printed for the use of the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions ( Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.govinfo.gov U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 26–334 PDF WASHINGTON : 2018 VerDate Nov 24 2008 13:04 Nov 19, 2018 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 5011 Sfmt 5011 S:\DOCS\26334.TXT CAROL HELPN-004 with DISTILLER COMMITTEE ON HEALTH, EDUCATION, LABOR, AND PENSIONS LAMAR ALEXANDER, Tennessee, Chairman MICHAEL B. ENZI, Wyoming PATTY MURRAY, Washington RICHARD BURR, North Carolina BERNARD SANDERS (I), Vermont JOHNNY ISAKSON, Georgia ROBERT P. CASEY, JR., Pennsylvania RAND PAUL, Kentucky AL FRANKEN, Minnesota SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine MICHAEL F. BENNET, Colorado BILL CASSIDY, M.D., Louisiana SHELDON WHITEHOUSE, Rhode Island TODD YOUNG, Indiana TAMMY BALDWIN, Wisconsin ORRIN G. HATCH, Utah CHRISTOPHER S. MURPHY, Connecticut PAT ROBERTS, Kansas ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts LISA MURKOWSKI, Alaska TIM KAINE, Virginia TIM SCOTT, South Carolina MAGGIE HASSAN, New Hampshire DAVID P. CLEARY, Republican Staff Director LINDSEY WARD SEIDMAN, Republican Deputy Staff Director EVAN SCHATZ, Minority Staff Director JOHN RIGHTER, Minority Deputy Staff Director (II) VerDate Nov 24 2008 13:04 Nov 19, 2018 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt 0486 Sfmt 0486 S:\DOCS\26334.TXT CAROL HELPN-004 with DISTILLER CONTENTS STATEMENTS THURSDAY, JULY 13, 2017 Page COMMITTEE MEMBERS Alexander, Hon. Lamar, Chairman, Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, opening statement ....................................................................... 1 Murray, Hon. Patty, a U.S. Senator from the State of Washington, opening statement .............................................................................................................. 4 Isakson, Hon. Johnny, a U.S. Senator from the State of Georgia ....................... 12 Cassidy, Hon. Bill, a U.S. Senator from the State of Louisiana .......................... 15 Casey, Hon. Robert P., Jr., a U.S. Senator from the State of Pennsylvania ...... 17 Paul, Hon. Rand, a U.S. Senator from the State of Kentucky ............................. 19 Warren, Hon. Elizabeth, a U.S. Senator from the State of Massachusetts ........ 20 Young, Hon. Todd, a U.S. Senator from the State of Indiana ............................. 21 Franken, Hon. Al, a U.S. Senator from the State of Minnesota .......................... 23 Murphy, Hon. Christopher, a U.S. Senator from the State of Connecticut ........ 25 Hassan, Hon. Maggie, a U.S. Senator from the State of New Hampshire ......... 27 Kaine, Hon. Tim, a U.S. Senator from the State of Virginia ............................... 28 WITNESSES Pizzella, Patrick, Alexandria, VA, Nominated to be Deputy Secretary of Labor ..................................................................................................................... 5 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 6 Kaplan, Marvin, Cresskill, NJ, Nominated to be a Member of the National Labor Relations Board ......................................................................................... 7 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 8 Emanuel, William, Santa Monica, CA, Nominated to be a Member of the National Labor Relations Board ......................................................................... 10 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 11 ADDITIONAL MATERIAL Statements, articles, publications, letters, etc. New York Times article by Philip Shenon, July 18, 1993 ............................. 39 Preston Gates Ellis & Rouvelas Meeds LLP Lobbying Registration Form submitted by Senator Franken .................................................................... 43 Letters of Support ............................................................................................. 46 Response by Patrick Pizella to questions of: Senator Murkowski ................................................................................... 52 Senator Murray ......................................................................................... 53 Senator Casey ............................................................................................ 60 Senator Franken ........................................................................................ 61 Senator Whitehouse .................................................................................. 62 Senator Warren ......................................................................................... 65 Senator Kaine ............................................................................................ 70 (III) VerDate Nov 24 2008 13:04 Nov 19, 2018 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00003 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 S:\DOCS\26334.TXT CAROL HELPN-004 with DISTILLER Response by Marvin Kaplan to questions of: Senator Roberts ......................................................................................... 71 Senator Murray ......................................................................................... 71 Senator Casey ............................................................................................ 78 Senator Franken ........................................................................................ 79 Senator Whitehouse .................................................................................. 79 Senator Warren ......................................................................................... 80 Senator Kaine ............................................................................................ 80 Response by William Emanuel to questions of: Senator Roberts ......................................................................................... 81 Senator Murray ......................................................................................... 82 Senator Casey ............................................................................................ 86 Senator Franken ........................................................................................ 87 Senator Whitehouse .................................................................................. 88 Senator Warren ......................................................................................... 89 Senator Kaine ............................................................................................ 90 (IV) VerDate Nov 24 2008 13:04 Nov 19, 2018 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 S:\DOCS\26334.TXT CAROL HELPN-004 with DISTILLER NOMINATION HEARING FOR DEPUTY SEC- RETARY OF LABOR AND MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD THURSDAY, JULY 13, 2017 U.S. SENATE, COMMITTEE ON HEALTH, EDUCATION, LABOR, AND PENSIONS, Washington, DC. The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:33 a.m., in room SD–430, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Lamar Alexander, chairman of the committee, presiding. Present: Senators Alexander, Isakson, Cassidy, Paul, Young, Murray, Franken, Kaine, Bennet, Murphy, Hassan, Casey and Warren. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR ALEXANDER The CHAIRMAN. The Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions will please come to order. This morning, we’re holding a hearing on three nominations, Pat- rick Pizzella for Deputy Secretary of the Department of Labor and Marvin Kaplan and William Emanuel to serve as members of the National Labor Relations Board. Senator Murray and I will each have an opening statement. Then I’ll introduce the nominees. After their testimony, Senators will each have 5 minutes of questions, and we’ll take whatever time Senators would like to take for ques- tions after that, if they want a second round. Today’s hearing is an important one for our Nation’s workers and employers. It’s important to get the Department of Labor properly staffed and to ensure the open seats on the NLRB are filled. We need a full Board. I’m certainly not the only one of us who thinks so. One Democratic Senator said at a hearing on May 16, 2013, ‘‘I strongly support a fully functioning NLRB with five mem- bers. I think confirming the entire slate will ensure that the NLRB is working for American workers and employers.’’ Another Democratic Senator said at the same hearing, ‘‘What we don’t need now—the last thing we need here in this country is more rancor, more division, more ideology, at a time when we need the Board fully functioning. We need five people to get confirmed here. Any Senator who is standing in the way of getting five people confirmed and having a func- tioning Board has a lot of explaining to do.’’ (1) VerDate Nov 24 2008 13:04 Nov 19, 2018 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00005 Fmt 6633 Sfmt 6633 S:\DOCS\26334.TXT CAROL HELPN-004 with DISTILLER 2 Our chairman then, Senator Harkin, said in September 2014, ‘‘Keeping the NLRB fully staffed and able to do its work will send a strong message to the American people that, yes, Wash- ington can work, and our government can function. It will give certainty to businesses and ensure workers that someone is looking out for their rights and ready and able to enforce our Nation’s