Third Session - Thirty-Ninth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Subcommittee on Senate Elections Chairperson Ms. Erna Braun Constituency of Rossmere Vol. LXI No. 6 – 6 p.m., Thursday, February 19, 2009 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Ninth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital N.D.P. ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley N.D.P. ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson N.D.P. BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli N.D.P. BLADY, Sharon Kirkfield Park N.D.P. BOROTSIK, Rick Brandon West P.C. BRAUN, Erna Rossmere N.D.P. BRICK, Marilyn St. Norbert N.D.P. BRIESE, Stuart Ste. Rose P.C. CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan N.D.P. CULLEN, Cliff Turtle Mountain P.C. DERKACH, Leonard Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary, Hon. Concordia N.D.P. DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside P.C. FAURSCHOU, David Portage la Prairie P.C. GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach P.C. GRAYDON, Cliff Emerson P.C. HAWRANIK, Gerald Lac du Bonnet P.C. HICKES, George, Hon. Point Douglas N.D.P. HOWARD, Jennifer Fort Rouge N.D.P. IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri, Hon. Fort Garry N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. JHA, Bidhu Radisson N.D.P. KORZENIOWSKI, Bonnie St. James N.D.P. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. La Verendrye N.D.P. MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns N.D.P. MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden P.C. MARCELINO, Flor Wellington N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McFADYEN, Hugh Fort Whyte P.C. McGIFFORD, Diane, Hon. Lord Roberts N.D.P. MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East P.C. NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake N.D.P. OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River N.D.P. PEDERSEN, Blaine Carman P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D.P. ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Rupertsland N.D.P. RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia N.D.P. ROWAT, Leanne Minnedosa P.C. SARAN, Mohinder The Maples N.D.P. SCHULER, Ron Springfield P.C. SELBY, Erin Southdale N.D.P. SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St. Boniface N.D.P. STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo P.C. STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin-Roblin N.D.P. SWAN, Andrew, Hon. Minto N.D.P. TAILLIEU, Mavis Morris P.C. WOWCHUK, Rosann, Hon. Swan River N.D.P. Vacant Elmwood Vacant The Pas 95 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON SENATE ELECTIONS Thursday, February 19, 2009 TIME – 6 p.m. Mr. Leonard Derkach (Russell): I'm Len, local farmer here, MLA for this area. LOCATION – Russell, Manitoba Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Inkster): Kevin CHAIRPERSON – Ms. Erna Braun (Rossmere) Lamoureux, MLA for Inkster. VICE-CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Blaine Pedersen Mr. Blaine Pedersen (Carman): Blaine Pedersen, (Carman) MLA for Carman. ATTENDANCE – 7 QUORUM – 4 Mr. David Faurschou (Portage la Prairie): David Members of the Committee present: Faurschou, MLA for Portage la Prairie. Ms. Braun, Mr. Faurschou, Ms. Howard, Mr. Madam Chairperson: Thank you, and thank you Lamoureux, Ms. Marcelino, Messrs. for joining us, Mr. Derkach. Nevakshonoff, Pedersen At the close of our meeting last night in APPEARING: Dauphin, we had a discussion about changing the start time for our meeting on Saturday in Winnipeg. I Mr. Leonard Derkach, MLA for Russell understand from discussions earlier today that the WITNESSES: committee has decided not to change the start time and that the meeting will proceed at 1 o'clock on Mr. Eldon Montgomery, Private Citizen Saturday at the Legislature as previously announced. Mr. Bob Schmidt, Private Citizen Is that agreed? [Agreed] Mr. David Coombs, Private Citizen Mr. Paul Orsak, Private Citizen We have a number presenters registered to speak Mr. Gene Nerbas, Private Citizen this evening, as noted on the presenters list. Before Mr. Murray Bradshaw, Private Citizen we proceed with presentations, I have a few notes for Mr. Bill Dayson, Private Citizen all in attendance. First of all, if there is anyone else in the audience who would like to make a MATTERS UNDER CONSIDERATION: presentation this evening, please register with the Consulting with Manitobans on Senate Elections staff at the entrance to this room. * * * Also, for the information of all presenters, while written versions of presentations are not required, if Madam Chairperson: Good evening. Will the you would like to provide us with written materials Subcommittee on Senate Elections please come to we ask that you have 15 copies. As well, I would like order. This meeting has been called for the purpose to inform the presenters that, in accordance with our of consulting with Manitobans on Senate elections. rules and practices, a time limit of 10 minutes has been allotted for presentations, with another five Before we go any further, let's go around the minutes allowed for questions from committee table and let the members of the committee introduce members. themselves. I'm Erna Braun, Member for Rossmere and Chair of the committee. Also, in accordance with our rules, if a presenter is not in attendance when their name is called, they Ms. Flor Marcelino (Wellington): I'm Flor will be dropped to the bottom of the list. If the Marcelino, MLA for Wellington. presenter is not in attendance when their name is Ms. Jennifer Howard (Fort Rouge): I'm Jennifer called a second time, they will be removed from the Howard, MLA for Fort Rouge. presenters list. Mr. Tom Nevakshonoff (Interlake): Tom For your reference, we also have available on the Nevakshonoff, MLA for the Interlake. table at the entrance to this room some background 96 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA February 19, 2009 material on the Senate of Canada as well as some was necessary that, when you're given an information on this committee. opportunity, that you should at least take it. The proceedings of our meetings are recorded in First of all, I don't believe that an appointed order to provide a verbatim transcript. Each time body has any place in our democratic system of someone wishes to speak, whether it be an MLA or a government and if senators are not going to be presenter, I first have to say the person's name. This elected, then we should abolish the Senate altogether. is the signal for the Hansard recorder to turn the If they are going to be elected, the Senate needs to be mikes on and off. seriously reformed. So I will now call on Bob Schmidt, private The qualifications that might be necessary for citizen. you to become a senator: first of all, I believe that you, of course, have to be a Canadian citizen and that Mr. Derkach: Madam Chair, before we get started you may also, of course, hold a dual citizenship. and before Mr. Schmidt gets started, I just noted that Mr. Montgomery has shown up and he is the deputy I felt that the age bracket that it should fall mayor of the town. He informed me that he has a between would be between the ages of 30 and 65. If meeting with a presentation at 6:30 and was they're going to be a sober second thought to our wondering whether or not, with the will of the elected body, then I think they should first of all have committee, he would be allowed to make his some experience. I know that people may argue that presentation first. you only need to be 18 years of age and maybe some of them are experienced in a lot of things, but I think, Madam Chairperson: What is the will of the first of all, you should have experience in a wide committee? [Agreed] range of things, and being 18 years of age doesn't Okay, we will call on Mr. Montgomery first. Mr. really give you that time frame that you need. Montgomery, do you have materials to distribute? I feel that, first of all, you must have lived in Mr. Eldon Montgomery (Private Citizen): I have. Canada for a period of 10 years prior to being elected. I think that would be the minimum amount Madam Chairperson: Thank you, you may proceed of time for anyone to familiarize themselves with your presentation. thoroughly with our election procedures, with our Parliament and with what is going to be necessary in Mr. Montgomery: Thank you. First of all, I'd like to order to become a senator in our country. I also feel thank every one of you for allowing myself and that you should have paid taxes for a period of 10 others to speak in regard to how we might reform the years prior to being elected. Senate and how elected senators might be elected. I threw this one in in the middle of this: I don't I do apologize. I just have a one-page, quickly feel that you should be allowed to run for the Senate written presentation that I did this afternoon between if you have missed voting in a provincial or in a three meetings. So, I do apologize for that. federal election in the last 10 years. You just have to look at the numbers who turned out for our last A long time ago, when I was teaching high federal election. I think maybe part of the problem school, this was my favourite essay to give to my that we're in today is a lack of interest on the part of grade 11 class, and that was what we should do with our citizens in terms of paying attention to what is the Senate. They had three choices: they could going on in our politics, and if you're going to be a abolish the Senate, they could reform the Senate, or senator, then I think you should have voted in they could have elected senators just the way we do provincial and federal elections, certainly in the last with all our other MPs and MLAs.