PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF THE FIRST SESSION (2012) OF THE TENTH PARLIAMENT OF GUYANA UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE CO-OPERATIVE REPUBLIC OF GUYANA HELD IN THE PARLIAMENT CHAMBER, PUBLIC BUILDINGS, BRICKDAM, GEORGETOWN 10TH Sitting Friday, 13TH April, 2012 Assembly convened at 1.05 p.m. Prayers [Mr. Speaker in the Chair] ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER WELCOMING FORMER MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT, DR. DALE BISNAUTH AND DR. FAITH HARDING Mr. Speaker: Good afternoon Hon. Members. There is no major announcement. It is just to announcement this afternoon that we have as our guest the Hon. Rev. Dr. Dale Bisnauth, former Member of Parliament and Minister of Government and so we welcome him. Yesterday, of course, it was Ms. Cyrilda De Jesus. I am told that Dr. Faith Harding also is here, former Minister of Education, as our guest. So we welcome them. It is a pleasure to have both former Members of the House joining us this afternoon. Of course, we will be on our best behaviour and we expect that we will be engaging both of our erstwhile colleagues from time to time as we proceed with the deliberations of not only of this session, but in the sessions ahead. Hon. Members, that is my lone announcement. Ms. Shirley Edwards should have joined us yesterday but she was, unfortunately, ill and so we expect that she will be joining us as our guest in the days ahead. Those are my announcements. Thank you. 1 PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS CLARIFICATION TO THE MINISTER OF HEALTH’S PRESENTATION Mr. Speaker: Hon. Members, the Hon. Member Mr. Carl Greenidge has indicated to me his desire to give a personal explanation on a matter that he feels that is affecting him and his character and I have given permission for him to do so. There will be, of course, no debate on his explanation which is expected to be very brief and to the point. Thank you. Go ahead Hon. Member. Mr. Greenidge: Thank you very much Mr. Speaker. I appreciate your understanding and crave the indulgence of my colleagues. Comrade Speaker, I am drawing this matter to your attention and to the House‟s attention because, as you have indicated, it caused me great concerns and, may I say, that it cast in a context in which it seems that a number of our exchanges, perhaps, got unnecessary acrimonious and strayed into areas that were perhaps a little distasteful issues in that they can sometimes involve impugning motives, and especially wandering to the area of ethnicity. I would like to draw to the House‟s attention the presentations made yesterday by Dr. Ramsaran in connection with the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Health‟s capital project pertaining to the specialty hospital. I do not have to recap what he said because I am sure that Members you can recall, but I just want to draw to the House‟s attention to that part of the presentation which suggested that the motive for the resistance to, or the rejection, of this project, at the level of the House, when the House was looking at Financial Paper No. 7, was because, or it was a contrast to, of how we would have treated projects from other places such as Cuba. I rise to speak on this matter because I was the person who spoke, perhaps, the longest and led, in a sense, the resistance to this particular item. So I think it has implications for me and my standing. It may also be recalled that the former Speaker addressed this matter in a newspaper article in which he subsequently withdrew or tried to dispel any suggestion that my own motive was that of race. This is the former Speaker. In making his presentation, Dr. Ramsaran suggested that the circumstances surrounding this particular project were… other than what the House was made to understand. In other words, he mentioned that this project was funded by the Government of 2 India. In looking at the Estimates of 2011, I saw no sign of any funding from the Government of India. He suggested that the project was for the land preparation and let me tell you, Mr. Speaker, that the supplementary, the financial paper for Contingencies Fund, specifically referred to a design and study. The request for funding was something quite different and the House correctly rejected it. I think in those circumstances the presentation, especially given the context in which it was cast, was reprehensible. Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker: Hon. Members, I would ask that we remove the word “reprehensible”. I think Members should have the right to state their views and opinions. The Hon. Member stated his explanation where he felt that his character is being impugned in so far as his comments and decisions were painted in a racial context. So I am glad that we have been able to clear that up and that we have communicated to the Government and people of India that they are our special friends, and we are always grateful to them. Thank you very much. PUBLIC BUSINESS GOVERNMENT BUSINESS MOTION BUDGET SPEECH 2012 - MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE ESTIMATES OF EXPENDITURE FOR 2012 “WHEREAS the Constitution of Guyana requires that Estimates of the Revenue and Expenditure of Guyana for any financial year should be laid before the National Assembly; AND WHEREAS the Constitution also provides that when the Estimates of Expenditure have been approved by the Assembly an Appropriation Bill shall be introduced in the Assembly providing for the issue from the Consolidated Fund of the sums necessary to meet that expenditure; AND WHEREAS Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure of Guyana for the financial year 2012 have been prepared and laid before the Assembly on 2012-03-30; NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: 3 That this National Assembly approves the Estimates of Expenditure for the financial year 2012, of a total sum of one hundred and seventy nine billion, six hundred and ninety six million, five hundred and forty six thousand dollar($179,696,546,000), excluding thirteen billion, and eighty four million, seven hundred and thirty five thousand dollars (13,084,735,000) which is chargeable by law, as detailed therein and summarised in the undermentioned schedule, and agree that it is expedient to amend the law and to make further provision in respect of finance.” [Minister of Finance] Assembly resumed budget debate. Mr. Speaker: Hon. Members, we will now resume the debate for the Budget 2012. Our first speaker for today is the indomitable Hon. Member Mr. Basil Williams. I do not know what portfolio you hold in this Assembly, but we are looking forward to hearing from you, Sir. Proceed. Mr. B. Williams: Thank you Mr. Speaker, as it pleases you, for those salutations. I too join in welcoming the emergent Members of Parliament. I trust and I am sure that their contributions would enrich the debate in this House and therefore advance the interest of the people of this nation. I know that they have had a rough initiation, especially in light of this budget, and how our honourable colleagues on the eastern side of the House have been behaving when certain truths are exposed in this honourable House. I should warn them that that behaviour is going to continue, but it is all, I would say, in good faith. I would also like to welcome the Hon. Member Dr. Dale Bisnauth who was in fact the Minister of Labour who I shadowed for several years in this House. A gentleman of the highest order, no less so is the lady, Dr. Faith Harding - the lady of the highest quality. We welcome you both. For not of a few years, we have been hearing this lamentation that we need to work together in the interest of developing Guyana; we hear it every year. The same lip service is paid to it but there has never been any meaningful engagement between the parties where the only issue on the table is looking to work together, whether we are sharing Government or whether we have wanted to cooperate on issues affecting the people of Guyana. I recall the former President saying that we have to learn to build trust, that was about eight years ago. Perhaps a question 4 should be asked of the Hon. Members of the Government side on how far they have gone and how are they going to rate where we are at right now in trust building. Speaking for myself, I believe we, on this side of the House, have always been willing to engage the Government with bona fides in order to effect the transformation that this country requires. The Hon. Member Dr. Rupert Roopnarine, I concur in the sentiments that he has expressed on this same subject matter, but it is not too late. The Hon. Member Mr. Whittaker told us yesterday, in terms of fiscal transfers of the various regions in this country, that everybody cannot get everything. I think that is a misnomer. We understand that. But what we do not understand and what we cannot appreciate is any treatment that reeks of discrimination in making fiscal transfers to the regions. We have noted consistently over the years that certain regions which the Government might consider to be favourable to it, in respective of their size…, as Region 1, for example, in this budget, has over $600 million allocated to it, whereas Region 4, which has the brunt of the population of Guyana, has $200 million. I do not know how it is going to explain that kind of disparity.