Gurus manufactured by the fake GBC are NEVER Diksa gurus! BY MAHESH RAJA: 26. February 2017 by Prabhupada News — Gurus manufactured by the fake GBC are NEVER Diksa gurus! If one uses even JUST A -LITTLE- COMMONSENSE then one can come to understand that these conditioned soul bogus gurus manufactured by the fake GBC were NEVER Diksa gurus. They APPOINTED THEMSELVES as Diksa Gurus in ISKCON: Srila Prabhupada did NOT appoint them. Self-made guru cannot be guru: It requires an ORDER from Srila Prabhupada. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Srila Prabhupada said in May 28, 1977, Vrindavan “WHEN I order”. The word WHEN is used. This does NOT mean that he had ordered them as Diksa Gurus IN 1977. They cunningly MANIPULATED the word “WHEN” to mean that Srila Prabhupada had ordered them as Diksa Gurus: Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan Prabhupada: “WHEN I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.” Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 31. 1972 “Self-made guru cannot be guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Then he’s guru. This is the fact…Similarly, bona fide guru means HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE SUPERIOR GURU.” Srimad Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport “One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is AUTHORIZED BY HIS PREDECESSOR SPIRITUAL MASTER. This is called diksa-vidhana.” Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975 Prabhupada: “Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A GURU CAN BECOME GURU WHEN HE’S ORDERED BY HIS GURU. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru. Note: Look at the timing. Just ONE month before -- In the APRIL 22 1977 Tamal Krsna ADMITTED they were ALL CONDITIONED SOULS: Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, Bombay, April 22, 1977 Prabhupada: What is the use of producing some rascal guru? Tamala Krsna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it’s clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible… Prabhupada: Hm. Tamala Krsna: …but not now. Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.” I am waiting for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete. Note: There was NO ORDER from Srila Prabhupada NAMING ANY individual to be Diksa guru. The ONLY order was to act as Rtvik, which was ALSO RECONFIRMED IN WRITING in July 9th 1977. NOTHING MORE!!! They cleverly WENT SEEKING FOR the APPOINTMENT to be Guru in 770528me.vrn. But Srila Prabhupada out smarted them: Satsvarupa’s question was about FIRST and SECOND initiations in the FUTURE: 770528me.vrn Conversations Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in THE FUTURE, PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU’RE NO LONGER WITH US. WE WANT TO KNOW HOW FIRST AND SECOND INITIATION WOULD BE CONDUCTED. Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas. Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya? Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES. Note: Consider this. WHY is it that their words are not QUOTED as Sastra like Srila Prabhupada. Everyone QUOTES Srila Prabhupada. Why is it that nobody QUOTES them? If they are DIVINE Graces WHY are they not QUOTED? SRILA PRABHUPADA IS HIS DIVINE GRACE 67-01-30: Brahmananda One thing you may note also as a matter of etiquette. THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ADDRESSED AS HIS DIVINE GRACE, a Godbrother is addressed as His Grace, and any Sannyasin is addressed as HIS HOLINESS. HIS DIVINE GRACE IS ALWAYS CONSULTING KRSNA 760714iv.ny Bali-mardana: In other words, when you decide that someone is to be in charge of a particular temple does Krsna tell you that this person should be in charge. Interviewer: Or do you by judging him say this person is qualified. Prabhupada: YES, BECAUSE A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND HE GIVES ORDER. Interviewer: IT’S A MORE DIRECT COMMUNICATION. Prabhupada: YES. AND HE GIVES ORDER. Ramesvara: Because intelligence, our philosophy is that intelligence comes from Krsna. So if I have some… Interviewer: And your philosophy is that your daily necessities come from Krsna as well. Ramesvara: Yes, try to understand. Suppose my intelligence sees that this person is qualified, that means Krsna has told me. Prabhupada: NO, NOT NECESSARILY, KRSNA WILL TELL DIRECTLY. A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND KRSNA TELLS HIM, “DO LIKE THIS.” NOT FIGURATIVELY. Interviewer: Does that apply then to other kinds of decisions and other kinds of activities as well? Prabhupada: EVERYTHING. BECAUSE A DEVOTEE DOES NOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT CONSULTING KRSNA. HIS DIVINE GRACE SPEAKS AS KRSNA SPEAKS Antya 5.71 One is forbidden to accept the guru, or spiritual master, as an ordinary human being (gurusu nara-matih). When Ramananda Raya spoke to Pradyumna Misra, Pradyumna Misra could understand that Ramananda Raya was not an ordinary human being. A spiritually advanced person who acts with authority, as the spiritual master, speaks as the Supreme Personality of Godhead DICTATES FROM WITHIN. Thus it is not he that is personally speaking. WHEN A PURE DEVOTEE OR SPIRITUAL MASTER SPEAKS, WHAT HE SAYS SHOULD BE ACCEPTED AS HAVING BEEN DIRECTLY SPOKEN BY THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD IN THE PARAMPARA SYSTEM. DIFFERENCE IS SRILA PRABHUPADA SPEAKS WHAT KRSNA SPEAKS AND SO-CALLED GURUS HAVE TO JOG THE BRAIN TO GIVE ANSWERS. 760628bj.nv Prabhupada: So-called gurus, they are so-called gurus. They are not gurus. That is already explained. If one does not speak what Krsna speaks, he is not guru. If you accept so-called guru, that is your misfortune. What can be done? Pusta Krsna: Some of them will say some things that Krsna says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons? Prabhupada: He’s MOST DANGEROUS. He’s MOST DANGEROUS. He is OPPORTUNIST. HE’S FINDING OUT CUSTOMER, SOMETHING HERE… ACCORDING TO THE CUSTOMER HE IS GIVING SOMETHING, AS THE CUSTOMERS WILL BE PLEASED. SO HE IS NOT GURU. He’s a servant. He wants to serve the so-called disciples so that he may be satisfied and pay him something. He’s servant. He’s not guru. Guru is the master. You cannot disobey guru. But if you become a servant, you want to please the disciple by flattering him to get his money, then you are not guru, you are servant. Just like a servant pleases the master. He’s not guru. He’s servant. So our position should be servant, yes, but servant of the Supreme. So guru means heavy. You cannot utilize him for satisfying your whims. That is not guru. Note: JUST A FEW PLACES WHERE RITVIKS IN VEDIC SOCIETY PERFORMED CEREMONIES. SO-CALLED GURUS PERFORM INITIATION CEREMONIES TODAY ALSO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THESE HYPOCRITES DO NOT WANT TO BE CALLED RITVIKS. ALTHOUGH THEY CANNOT COMMUNICATE WITH KRSNA THEY PREFER TO BE CALLED DIKSA GURUS. SB 9.1.15 — adhvaryuna--by the rtvik priest; SB 4.5.7 — rtvijah--the priests; SB 4.5.18 — rtvijah--the priests SB 4.6.52 — rtvijam--of the priests; SB 4.7.16 — rtvik--the priests; SB 4.7.27 — rtvijah--the priests; SB 4.7.45 — rtvijah--the priests; SB 4.7.56 — rtvigbhih--with the priests; SB 4.13.26 — rtvijah--the priests; Note: SRILA PRABHUPADA GIVES A PERFECT PLAN (KEEPING THE ACARYA AT THE CENTER (JULY 9TH 1977 RITVIK ORDER). THEY PREFER TO BE IMMEDIATELY HIS DIVINE GRACES — WITHOUT COMMUNICATION WITH KRSNA! SRILA PRABHUPADA’S PLAN IS TOPSY-TURVIED AND THE REST IS HISTORY. Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents ---- Vrindaban 9 July, 1977 To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents Dear Maharajas and Prabhus, Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “ritvik--representative of the acarya, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity: His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami His Holiness Jayapataka Swami His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami His Holiness Ramesvara Swami His Holiness Harikesa Swami His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee AS AN INITIATED DISCIPLE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. THE NEWLY INITIATED DEVOTEES ARE DISCIPLES OF HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD, THE ABOVE ELEVEN SENIOR DEVOTEES ACTING AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.