ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 1/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 1 International Criminal Court 2 Trial Chamber I 3 Situation: Republic of Côte d'Ivoire 4 In the case of The Prosecutor v. Laurent Gbagbo and Charles Blé Goudé 5 ICC-02/11-01/15 6 Presiding Judge Cuno Tarfusser, Judge Olga Herrera-Carbuccia and 7 Judge Geoffrey Henderson 8 Trial Hearing - Courtroom 1 9 Wednesday, 31 August 2016 10 (The hearing starts in private session at 9.37 a.m.) 11 (Redacted) 12 (Redacted) 13 (Redacted) 14 (Redacted) 15 (Redacted) 16 (Redacted) 17 (Redacted) 18 (Redacted) 19 (Redacted) 20 (Redacted) 21 (Redacted) 22 (Redacted) 23 (Redacted) 24 (Redacted) 25 (Redacted) 31.08.2016 Page 1 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 2/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 2 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 3/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 3 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 4/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 4 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 5/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 5 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 6/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 6 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 7/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 7 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 8/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 8 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 9/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 9 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 10/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 10 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 11/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 11 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 12/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 12 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 13/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 13 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 14/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 14 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 15/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 15 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 16/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 16 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 17/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Page redacted – Private session 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31.08.2016 Page 17 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 18/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Private Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 (Redacted) 2 (Redacted) 3 (Redacted) 4 (Redacted) 5 (Redacted) 6 (Redacted) 7 (Redacted) 8 (Redacted) 9 (Redacted) 10 (Redacted) 11 (Redacted) 12 (Redacted) 13 (Redacted) 14 (Redacted) 15 (Redacted) 16 (Redacted) 17 (Redacted) 18 (Open session at 2.07 p.m.) 19 THE COURT OFFICER: [14:07:55] We're in open session, Mr President. 20 PRESIDING JUDGE TARFUSSER: [14:07:57] Thank you very much, court officer. 21 From now on, Mr Witness, we are in open session. I will now first do all the 22 preliminary of identification and give you all the advices which are needed before 23 giving the floor to the parties for the questioning. And we will have, just advise the 24 parties and you, Mr Witness, that we will have a two hours session, so we will finish 25 at 4 o'clock. 31.08.2016 Page 18 ICC-02/11-01/15-T-67-Red-ENG WT 31-08-2016 19/54 SZ T Trial Hearing (Open Session) ICC-02/11-01/15 WITNESS: CIV-OTP-P-0330 1 Your name is Barthélemy Ouattara Obeniere; is that right? 2 THE WITNESS: [14:08:38] (Interpretation) That's not the right order, that is the 3 name but not the right order. It's Obeniere Barthélemy Ouattara. 4 PRESIDING JUDGE TARFUSSER: [14:08:50] And your age? You are -- how old are 5 you? 6 THE WITNESS: [14:08:56] (Interpretation) 53 years of age. 7 PRESIDING JUDGE TARFUSSER: [14:08:59] And when and where are you born? 8 THE WITNESS: [14:09:02] (Interpretation) I was born on 24 August 1963 in -- 9 THE INTERPRETER: [14:09:17] Inaudible. 10 PRESIDING JUDGE TARFUSSER: [14:09:21] In where? We didn't hear where you 11 were born. 12 THE WITNESS: [14:09:25] (Interpretation) Niakaramandougou. 13 PRESIDING JUDGE TARFUSSER: [14:09:34] Thank you. You are an Ivorian 14 national? 15 THE WITNESS: [14:09:39] (Interpretation) Yes. 16 PRESIDING JUDGE TARFUSSER: [14:09:42] And you are an officer in the 17 gendarmerie national; is that correct? 18 THE WITNESS: [14:09:50] (Interpretation) That is correct. 19 PRESIDING JUDGE TARFUSSER: [14:09:58] I have to give you now some 20 preliminary information and also, with a goal also to put you at ease. You have been 21 assigned a lawyer, Mr von Bóné, who is now on the second day with you, and he has 22 been assigned to you to provide you with all possible legal advice which you had and 23 also legal advice about possible self-incrimination.