November 2012 Transcripts (Pdf)

November 2012 Transcripts (Pdf)

JOINT REVIEW PANEL FOR THE ENBRIDGE NORTHERN GATEWAY PROJECT COMMISSION D’EXAMEN CONJOINT DU PROJET ENBRIDGE NORTHERN GATEWAY Hearing Order OH-4-2011 Ordonnance d’audience OH-4-2011 Northern Gateway Pipelines Inc. Enbridge Northern Gateway Project Application of 27 May 2010 Demande de Northern Gateway Pipelines Inc. du 27 mai 2010 relative au projet Enbridge Northern Gateway VOLUME 107 Hearing held at Audience tenue à Columbus Community centre 7201 Domano Blvd. Prince George, British Columbia November 23, 2012 Le 23 novembre 2012 International Reporting Inc. Ottawa, Ontario (613) 748-6043 © Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Canada 2012 © Sa Majesté du Chef du Canada 2012 as represented by the Minister of the Environment représentée par le Ministre de l’Environnement et and the National Energy Board l’Office national de l’énergie This publication is the recorded verbatim transcript Cette publication est un compte rendu textuel des and, as such, is taped and transcribed in either of the délibérations et, en tant que tel, est enregistrée et official languages, depending on the languages transcrite dans l’une ou l’autre des deux langues spoken by the participant at the public hearing. officielles, compte tenu de la langue utilisée par le participant à l’audience publique. Printed in Canada Imprimé au Canada HEARING /AUDIENCE OH-4-2011 IN THE MATTER OF an application filed by the Northern Gateway Pipelines Limited Partnership for a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity pursuant to section 52 of the National Energy Board Act, for authorization to construct and operate the Enbridge Northern Gateway Project. HEARING LOCATION/LIEU DE L'AUDIENCE Hearing held in Prince George (British Columbia), Friday, November 23, 2012 Audience tenue à Prince George (Colombie-Britannique), vendredi, le 23 novembre 2012 JOINT REVIEW PANEL/LA COMMISSION D’EXAMEN CONJOINT S. Leggett Chairperson/Présidente K. Bateman Member/Membre H. Matthews Member/Membre Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 APPEARANCES/COMPARUTIONS (i) APPLICANT/DEMANDEUR Northern Gateway Pipelines Inc. - Mr. Richard A. Neufeld, Q.C. - Mr. Ken MacDonald - Mr. Bernie Roth - Ms. Laura Estep - Ms. Kathleen Shannon - Mr. Dennis Langen - Mr. Douglas Crowther INTERVENORS/INTERVENANTS Alberta Federation of Labour - Ms. Leanne Chahley Alberta Lands Ltd. - Mr. Darryl Carter Alexander First Nation - Ms. Caroline O’Driscoll BC Nature and Nature Canada - Mr. Chris Tollefson - Mr. Anthony Ho Doug Beckett Province of British Columbia - Ms. Elizabeth Graff - Mr. Christopher R. Jones Nathan Cullen C.J. Peter Associates Engineering - Mr. Chris Peter Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP) - Mr. Keith Bergner - Mr. Lewis L. Manning Cenovus Energy Inc., Nexen Inc., Suncor Energy Marketing Inc., Total E&P Canada Ltd. - Mr. Don Davies Coastal First Nations - Ms. Brenda Gaertner Council of the Haida Nation - Ms. G.L. Terri-Lynn Williams-Davidson Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 APPEARANCES/COMPARUTIONS (Continued/Suite) (ii) INTERVENORS/INTERVENANTS Daiya-Matess Keyoh - Mr. Kenny Sam - Mr. Jim Monroe Douglas Channel Watch - Mr. Murray Minchin - Ms. Cheryl Brown - Mr. Kelly Marsh - Mr. Manny Arruda Driftpile Cree Nation - Mr. Amyn F. Lalji Enoch Cree Nation, Ermineskin Cree Nation and Samson Cree Nation - Mr. G. Rangi Jeerakathil - Mr. Sean Fairhust - Mr. Brock Roe ForestEthics Advocacy, Living Oceans Society and Raincoast Conservation Foundation - “The Coalition” - Mr. Barry Robinson - Mr. Tim Leadem, Q.C. - Ms. Sasha Russell - Ms. Karen Campbell Fort St. James, District of - Mr. Kevin Crook Fort St. James Sustainability Group - Mr. Lawrence Shute - Ms. Brenda Gouglas - Ms. Candace Kerr Friends of Morice-Bulkley - Ms. Dawn Remington Gitxaala Nation - Ms. Rosanne M. Kyle - Mr. Robert Janes Government of Alberta - Mr. Ron Kruhlak Government of Canada - Mr. James Shaw - Ms. Dana Anderson Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 APPEARANCES/COMPARUTIONS (Continued/Suite) (iii) INTERVENORS/INTERVENANTS Haisla Nation - Ms. Jennifer Griffith - Ms. Hana Boye - Mr. Jesse McCormick - Mr. Allan Donovan Kelly Izzard Kitimat Valley Naturalists - Mr. Walter Thorne - Mr. Dennis Horwood - Ms. April MacLeod MEG Energy Corp. - Mr. Loyola Keough - Mr. David A. McGillivray Northwest Institute of Bioregional Research - Ms. Patricia Moss Office of the Wet'suwet'en - Mr. Mike Ridsdale - Mr. David De Wit - Mr. Ken Rabnett Swan River First Nation - Mr. Jay Nelson - Ms. Dominique Nouvet United Fishermen and Allied Workers' Union - Ms. Joy Thorkelson - Mr. Hugh Kerr Terry Vulcano Josette Wier National Energy Board/Office national de l’énergie - Mr. Andrew Hudson - Ms. Carol Hales - Ms. Rebecca Brown - Mr. Asad Chaudhary Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 TABLE OF CONTENTS/TABLE DES MATIÈRES (i) Description Paragraph No./No. de paragraphe Opening remarks by the Chairperson 1310 Preliminary matters brought forward by Ms. Brown 1312 Preliminary matters brought forward by Ms. Griffith 1316 Preliminary matters brought forward by Mr. Leadem 1320 Preliminary matters brought forward by Mr. Shaw 1323 Raincoast Conservation Foundation Dr. Paul Paquet Dr. Christopher Darimont - Examination by Mr. Neufeld 1332 Northwest Institute for Bioregional Research Mr. David Bustard Dr. Jack Stanford - Examination by Mr. Overstall 1682 - Examination by Mr. Langen 1742 Government of Canada Panel 1 Dr. Caroline Caza Dr. John Cassidy Dr. Barry Smith Dr. Andrée Blais-Stevens Ms. Coral DeShield Mr. Bradley Fanos Ms. Ailish Murphy Mr. Michael Engelsjord Mr. Paul Gregoire Ms. Tracey Sandgathe Mr. André Breault Mr. John Clarke Ms. Lucy Reiss Mr. Alasdair Beattie Ms. Manon Lalonde Dr. Judith Beck Ms. Laura Maclean Dr. Bernard Vigneault Dr. Douglas Maynard Ms. June Rifkin Dr. Elizabeth Campbell Dr. Donna Kirkwood Mr. Steven Taylor - Introduction by Mr. Shaw 2128 - Examination by Ms. Anderson 2157 - Examination by Ms. O’Driscoll 2455 - Examination by Mr. Leadem 2753 - Examination by Ms. Griffith 3258 Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 LIST OF EXHIBITS/LISTE DES PIÈCES (i) No. Description Paragraph No./No. de paragraphe Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 RULINGS/DÉCISIONS (i) Description Paragraph No./No. de paragraphe Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 UNDERTAKINGS/ENGAGEMENTS No. Description Paragraph No./No. de paragraphe Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 Preliminary matters --- Upon commencing at 8:32 a.m./L’audience débute à 8h32 1310. THE CHAIRPERSON: Good morning, everyone. I’d just like to remind everyone as we get underway that today is one of the days that we added an evening session. So we’ll be sitting our normal hours from 8:30 to 3:30. We will all take a break for lunch, I promise that, and then we’ll sit again from 5:30 to 8:30 this evening. 1311. Are there any preliminary matters that parties wish to raise at this point? 1312. MS. BROWN: Good morning, Madam Chair. Rebecca Brown, counsel for the Joint Review Panel. 1313. I wish to advise that we have been advised by the Swan River First Nation that they will not be questioning the Government of Canada panels. Thank you. 1314. THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, Ms. Brown. 1315. Ms. Griffith? 1316. MS. GRIFFITH: Good morning, Madam Chair. Jennifer Griffith for the Haisla Nation. 1317. And I’m just seeking some clarification on intentions with respect to the federal government witness panels. At this point, we’re not sure which witness panel will be called first, Panel 1 or 2, and in the event a decision hasn’t been made, we’d like to advise that we are ready to proceed on Panel 1. 1318. We’re not as ready as we would like to be to proceed on Panel 2, and we do feel we would be prejudiced if Panel 2 were to be bumped in front of Panel 1 and we had to finish all of the Panel 2 questioning today. 1319. THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you for advising of this, Ms. Griffith. 1320. MR. LEADEM: Madam Chair, I will go on record as well with respect to the Government of Canada panels, that I’m prepared to question Panel 1, even though there may be two witnesses on Caribou whom I intend to ask questions of who may come later. Mr. Robinson has fully prepared for Panel 2. I Transcript Hearing Order OH-4-2011 Preliminary matters don’t want to switch horses at this stage, so I think that under the circumstances, I’m also going to suggest that if it comes down to choices, that we would prefer to have Panel 1 go first, followed by Panel 2 sometime, I would assume, next week. 1321. THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, Mr. Leadem. 1322. Mr. Shaw, are you in the room and can you give us the next current update on Panel 1 and Panel 2’s availability? 1323. MR. SHAW: The order of proceeding that my friends have indicated preferable to them, that’s perfectly fine with us. That’s the way we had planned it, to go with Panel 1. 1324. What we did is we put the two witnesses for Panel 2 who were not here yesterday on notice that we wanted them here today. So they’re arriving later this afternoon from Vancouver. 1325. So we’re in a position where our entire Panel 1 and Panel 2 will be present, and we thought that was preferable to perhaps having gaps depending on how matters proceeded. 1326. So we’re very content to have the matter go. We have Panel 1 here ready to go, with the exception of the two boreal caribou witnesses who will be here on Monday, on the 26th, and Mr. Leadem has indicated he’s perfectly fine with dealing with them on Monday. 1327. Mr. Leadem is the only counsel who will be cross-examining our panel on boreal caribou, so I think that the planning aspect of that is settled, and hopefully that works for everybody in the room. 1328. THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much, Mr. Shaw and to all parties, for continuing to work diligently to make sure that we can proceed in an orderly fashion.

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