Vol. 782 Thursday No. 133 30 March 2017 PARLIAMENTARYDEBATES (HANSARD) HOUSE OF LORDS OFFICIAL REPORT ORDEROFBUSINESS Questions Brexit: Crime Prevention..................................................................................................................731 Brexit: Court of Justice of the European Union .............................................................................733 Disabled People: Independent Living...............................................................................................736 Child Support: Unpaid Maintenance...............................................................................................738 Prescribed Persons (Reports on Disclosures of Information) Regulations 2017 ..................................740 Deregulation Act 2015 and Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Act 2015 (Consequential Amendments) (Savings) Regulations 2017...................................................................746 Public Sector Apprenticeship Targets Regulations 2017.......................................................................751 Local Authorities (Public Health Functions and Entry to Premises by Local Healthwatch Representatives) (Amendment) Regulations 2017 ...........................................................761 European Organisation for Astronomical Research in the Southern Hemisphere (Immunities and Privileges) (Amendment) Order 2017........................................................................768 Electoral Registration Pilot Scheme (England) (Amendment) Order 2017 ..........................................772 Electoral Registration Pilot Scheme (England and Wales) Order 2017................................................772 Electoral Registration Pilot Scheme (Scotland) Order 2017.................................................................772 Representation of the People (Scotland) (Amendment) Regulations 2017...........................................773 West Midlands Combined Authority (Functions and Amendment) Order 2017 .................................789 Motions to Approve Brexit: Legislating for the United Kingdom’s Withdrawal from the European Union Statement .........................................................................................................................................800 Combined Authorities (Finance) Order 2017 Motion to Approve............................................................................................................................814 Role of the Lord Speaker Question for Short Debate ................................................................................................................818 Grand Committee Local Arts and Cultural Services ....................................................................................................GC 49 Educational Attainment: Boys ........................................................................................................GC 65 Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe ..................................................................CG 81 Local Post Offices ...........................................................................................................................GC 96 Alcohol Abuse...............................................................................................................................GC 110 Questions for Short Debate Lords wishing to be supplied with these Daily Reports should give notice to this effect to the Printed Paper Office. 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This issue of the Official Report is also available on the Internet at https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2017-03-30 The first time a Member speaks to a new piece of parliamentary business, the following abbreviations are used to show their party affiliation: Abbreviation Party/Group CB Cross Bench Con Conservative DUP Democratic Unionist Party GP Green Party Ind Lab Independent Labour Ind LD Independent Liberal Democrat Ind SD Independent Social Democrat Ind UU Independent Ulster Unionist Lab Labour LD Liberal Democrat LD Ind Liberal Democrat Independent Non-afl Non-affiliated PC Plaid Cymru UKIP UK Independence Party UUP Ulster Unionist Party No party affiliation is given for Members serving the House in a formal capacity, the Lords spiritual, Members on leave of absence or Members who are otherwise disqualified from sitting in the House. © Parliamentary Copyright House of Lords 2017, this publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 731 Brexit: Crime Prevention [30 MARCH 2017] Brexit: Crime Prevention 732 House of Lords Lord Howell of Guildford (Con): Would it assist my noble friend in answering the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, Thursday 30 March 2017 if she explained to him that, far from withdrawing or departing from anything, we are arriving at and entering 11 am a global network of new technologies in which the methods of crime detection and prevention are likely Prayers—read by the Lord Bishop of Winchester. to be very much expanded and improved? Baroness Williams of Trafford: My noble friend is Brexit: Crime Prevention absolutely right. It is in the spirit of the improved Question technologies and improved sharing of data that we enter into co-operation around all these areas as we 11.06 am exit the EU and enter a new phase in this country’s journey. Asked by Lord Paddick To ask Her Majesty’s Government whether they Lord Kinnock (Lab): Will the Minister, in the service plan to continue sharing sensitive personal information of the House, read the two sentences in the letter with other European Union member states for the before the one that she selectively read out? Those purposes of crime prevention and detection following sentences make it absolutely clear that the Government’s the United Kingdom’s withdrawal from the European intention and the implied threat is that unless there is Union. agreement on trade—a “comprehensive agreement” as they have called it—there will not be an agreement on The Minister of State, Home Office (Baroness Williams security. By that means, they would imperil not only of Trafford) (Con): My Lords, the Government are our economic capability but, even more seriously, our clear that our commitment to co-operation with European security capability. allies on security and lawenforcement will be undiminished as a result of leaving the EU. The effective use of data Baroness Williams of Trafford: The noble Lord is to underpin that co-operation will be an important quite wrong. The letter says that both sides would consideration as we look to establish a new relationship cope, but our co-operation would be weakened. We with the EU, but it is too early to say what the future want, and we believe that the EU wants, security to be arrangements might look like. part of the new partnership. That is why it will be part of the negotiation. That is the right way forward. Lord Paddick (LD): My Lords,the issue of information exchange has taken on an added significance this Lord Tebbit (Con): My Lords, does my noble friend week. I hope the House will forgive me but I take the realise that the appropriate reply to the noble Lord, avoidable death of one of my former police colleagues Lord Kinnock, lies in The Gospel According to very seriously. Less than a week after four people died St Matthew, chapter 6, verse 21? as a result of terrorism on our doorstep, does the Minister think that the implied threat made by the Baroness Williams of Trafford: Perhaps the right Prime Minister in her Article 50 letter—backed up reverend Prelate would like to comment. yesterday by the Home Secretary—that the UK will withhold security co-operation with the EU if it does Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb (GP): My Lords, not get the trade deal that it wants, was insensitive, perhaps I can bring us back to the Question. Will the reckless, an empty threat, or all three? Minister clarify whether, if sensitive information is going to be passed to the EU,that will exclude information Baroness Williams of Trafford: My Lords, I too pay that is held by the security services and by the police tribute to the people who lost their lives last week and on environmental campaigners,journalists,photographers who still lie in hospital injured. However,I take exception and even politicians who have committed no crime? to what the noble Lord says. The letter says that both sides would cope, but our co-operation would be Baroness Williams of Trafford: The information weakened. We want and we believe that the EU wants that is shared is for the purposes of investigating security to be part of a new partnership. That is why it crime, so someone who had not committed a crime is part of the negotiation. The “threat” was not a would be unlikely to have their information shared threat at all—it was a matter of fact. with other countries. Lord Reid of Cardowan (Lab): My Lords, does the Baroness Janke (LD): My Lords, what assessment Minister agree that the best way to enhance our capability have the Government made on the future role of the in countering crime and counterterrorism and the European Court of Justice for