Caid College of Heralds c/o Su Ralston 2125 W Roberta Avenue Fullerton, CA 92833 [email protected] Minutes of the March 20, 2011 College of Heralds Meeting Meeting commenced at 11:45 AM. In attendance were: Su Crescent, Illuminada Dolphin, Hrorek Chevron, Thomas Quatrefoil, Jeanne Marie Noir Licorne, Ursula Green Staff, Cormac Seraph, Damien Sable Fret, Eridana Trident, Magdalyn Tynkere, and Dubhghall mac Aodha mhic Néill. Upcoming meetings are: April 10 (Roadshow at Collegium), and May 15. LoAR – The January LoAR CL and decisions were discussed. Hrorek notes that the Crown Prints announcement about Collegium is incorrect; the NMS is $5 not $3 as stated. Unless otherwise noted, all submitters will accept the creation of a holding name, if appropriate. Approved submissions will be forwarded on the April 30, 2011 Letter of Intent. Alianora MacMahan~ New Name The submitter cares most about the sound (unspecified); no other preferences are indicated. The submitter desires the same spelling as Gabriel M‟Machan of Silverhall, submitted below. Submitted as Alianora Macmahon, the name was changed to Alianora MacMahan to match Gabriel‟s byname. Alianora is found in Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames Part Two: The Names A-G Talan Gwynek at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/reaneyAG.html under the heading Eleanor < Provençal Aliénor, a form of Ellen. [Ellenor] dated to 1428 (W) MacMahon is justified by Ursula Green Staff: Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada's article "16th & 17th Century Anglicized Irish Surnames from Woulfe" (http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/Woulfe/SortedByGaelicRoot_M1.shtml) lists <O Mahan> as a sixteenth- or seventeenth-century Anglicized form of the Irish byname <Ó Mac.áin>. The same article gives examples of <Mac> followed by an anglicized Irish root without a space: <MacAnthony>, <MacGillafyndean>, and <MacMajoke>. Thus, <MacMahan> is a plausible Anglicized Irish name, corresponding to a hypothetical Gaelic <mac Mac.áin>. Calafia Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Aneirin ap Alwyn ~ New Name The submitter desires a masculine name, cares most about the language/culture (unspecified) and will accept minor, but not major changes. Minutes of the March 20, 2011 College of Heralds Meeting Aneirin is found in “Name and Naming Practices in the Meironeth La Subsidy Roll 1292-3 p. 96. ap – „son of‟ Alwyn is found in Withycombe 3rd ed. p. 17 By precedent, ap can be used with English names: Found on the LoI as Myfanwy ferch Gerallt, it was originally submitted as Myfanwy ap Gerald, and changed in kingdom because it was felt that the use of ap or ferch needed a Welsh name. However, late period Welsh used ap and ferch with English names, so we have restored the patronymic to the originally submitted form. (LoAR November 1998, p. 4). This precedent was reaffirmed in registering Rhiannon verch Bryan in 1/2008. Dreiburgen Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Aneirin ap Alwyn ~ New Device Azure, in pale three bezants in chevron and a sheaf of arrows argent within a bordure embattled Or. This is returned for a redraw: there are too many embattlements on the bordure, the bezants are not clearly in chevron, and the arrangement blurs the distinction between a primary charge and a secondary charge group and a single primary charge group. Device returned for redraw. Caid, Kingdom of ~ New Badge Azure, in saltire two throwing axes and in chief four crescents conjoined in cross points outward within a bordure embattled argent. Branch name was registered 02/75. This badge is intended for the thrown weapons award. Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel. Cateline Calais ~ New Name The submitter desires a feminine name and cares most about the sound (unspecified). Cateline IGI Parish records (extracted records) CATELINE CAVE – IGI Gender: Female Christening: 08 SEP 1622 Walloon Or Strangers Church, Canterbury, Kent, England CATELINE DENTIERE – IGI Gender: Female Christening: 24 NOV 1605 Threadneedle Street French Huguenot, London, London, England CATELINE JOUELIN – IGI Gender: Female Christening: 04 OCT 1646 Threadneedle Street French Huguenot, London, London, England CATELINE LE CLERCQ – IGI Gender: Female Christening: 16 JUL 1629 Threadneedle Street French Huguenot, London, London, England Calais is a city in northern France mentioned in Froissart, for example, "...les seigneurs de France a aller a Calais..." ("...the lords of France went to Calais..."), found in Antwerp M 15.5, fol. 333r (http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/onlinefroissart/browsey.jsp?AbsDiv=ms.f.transc.Ant- 2&AbsPb=Ant-2_333r&ter ms=calais). Bardsley, s.n. Callis has <de Calays>, dated 1379. Calais also found in the extracted IGI Parish records as an unmarked locative CHARLES CALAIS – IGI Gender: Male Christening: 27 FEB 1641 Saint Mary The Virgin, Dover, Kent, England JOHANNES CALAIS – IGI Gender: Male Christening: 12 MAY 1622 Saint Kew, Cornwall, England Page 2 of 12 Minutes of the March 20, 2011 College of Heralds Meeting MARY CALAIS – IGI Gender: Female Christening: 15 APR 1632 Saint Mary The Virgin, Dover, Kent, England This conflicts with Catherine de Calais, registered December 1996 via Ansteorra. Per precedent Caitlin conflicts with Katharine (Katharine Stuart, Nov. 2001). Calafia Name returned for conflict. Cateline Calais New Device Argent, in cross two lozenges vert and an increscent and decrescent azure. Calafia Device returned for lack of name. Christian von Dresden ~ Resub L Name, Change of Holding Name Christian of the Isles was registered as a holding name 06/10. The submitted desires a masculine name. If the name must be changed he cares most about the language/culture (15th C German). Christian is listed in "Late Period German Masculine Given Names" by Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/germmasc.html). It was recorded in 15th C (1401- 1450), Plauen. Also, Cristianus is found once as a German given name in "German Given Names 1200-1250" by Talen Gwynek. (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/germ13.html) Dresden is found in Blau‟s Atlas Maior on the map of Misnia on p. 98 which shows Dresden in this spelling. Isles Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Cixilio Martinez ~ New Name No preferences are indicated. Cixilio is found as a feminine given name found in “Feminine Names from the 10th Century Catalonia” by Colm Dubh, KWHSS Proceedings 2009. Martinez is found in Diez Melcon. Section 136, p. 133 under Martinus: "Roderico Martinez" 1027. It is also is found in “Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century” by Julia Smith (Juliana de Luna), at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/isabella/patronymic.html which cites Martinez to the late 15th century as a patronymic surname. Dreiburgen Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Denys Calais ~ New Name Submitter cares most about sound and wants a female name Denys is found in English Names found in Brass Enscriptions by Julian Goodwyn at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/brasses/women.html with 2 instances in 1539 in Middlesex. Calais as an unmarked locative found in the extracted IGI Parish records 7. CHARLES CALAIS – IGI Gender: Male Christening: 27 FEB 1641 Saint Mary The Virgin, Dover, Kent, England 12. JOHANNES CALAIS – IGI Gender: Male Christening: 12 MAY 1622 Saint Kew, Cornwall, England 15. MARY CALAIS – IGI Gender: Female Christening: 15 APR 1632 Saint Mary The Virgin, Dover, Kent, England Calafia Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Page 3 of 12 Minutes of the March 20, 2011 College of Heralds Meeting Drust Thorirsson- New Name. No preferences Drust is a Pictish given name found on St Gabriel report 1209 as the given name of multiple Pictish kings. “The name <Drust> or <Drest> was fairly common in a list of Pictish kings from circa 500-1000. It would be an excellent Pictish names.” http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1209+0 Thorir is a male given name in Geirr Bassi. The patronymic is formed in accordance with the rules on p. 17 of Geirr Bassi. There is no precedent on the registration of the combination of Pict and Norse names, we believe this to be at most a step from period practice. Calafia Name approved and forward to Laurel. Drust Thorirsson ~ New Device Per fess sable and argent a tree eradicated counterchanged. Conflict with Per fess sable and argent, a tree, blasted and eradicated between in chief a decrescent and an increscent counterchanged, (Mathieu Sylverwoode of Nyte Haven 06/86). There is a single CD for removing the secondary crescents. There is no difference between a tree and a tree blasted (Atia Alexandri uxor, Jan 2011). Per precedent re tree blasted and eradicated vs. tree eradicated: [Argent, an oak tree eradicated proper and on a chief gules three crosses of Toulouse Or]…Given the information provided by Dame Gwenllian, this depiction of an oak tree is registerable. However, it conflicts with Rosamund du Grasse, Argent, a willow tree blasted and eradicated, on a chief gules two geese close respectant argent. There is not a CD for changes to the tree, leaving a single CD for changes to the tertiary charges on the chief. (Guilheumes de Garrigis, 10/05). Calafia Device returned for conflict. Dubhghall mac Aodha mhic Néill ~ New Badge Argent, three mascles conjoined in pale sable, within each mascle a pellet. Submitter‟s name was registered January 2011. Dreiburgen Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel. Elric Godwine ~ New Name No preferences are indicated. Elric is found as a masculine given name in Keats-Rohan, Domesday Names, p. 72, which lists Elric, Elrici, and Elricus. R&W, pp. 5-6, s.n. Aldrich, dates Elric to 1066. Godwine is found in R&W pg 195 under heading Godwin. From the OE personal name Godwine, from god „god‟ or göd „good‟ and wine „friend, protector, lord‟, which survived the conquest.