Second Session – Forty-First Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Myrna Driedger Speaker Vol. LXX No. 75 - 1:30 p.m., Monday, October 30, 2017 ISSN 0542-5492 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-First Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLUM, James Fort Garry-Riverview NDP ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley NDP BINDLE, Kelly Thompson PC CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy, Hon. River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC CURRY, Nic Kildonan PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Charleswood PC EICHLER, Ralph, Hon. Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FIELDING, Scott, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC FLETCHER, Steven, Hon. Assiniboia Ind. FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP FRIESEN, Cameron, Hon. Morden-Winkler PC GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GRAYDON, Clifford Emerson PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek Interlake PC JOHNSTON, Scott St. James PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP KLASSEN, Judy Kewatinook Lib. LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan Selkirk PC LAMOUREUX, Cindy Burrows Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Flor Logan NDP MARCELINO, Ted Tyndall Park NDP MARTIN, Shannon Morris PC MAYER, Colleen St. Vital PC MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice Seine River PC NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine, Hon. Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Arthur-Virden PC REYES, Jon St. Norbert PC SARAN, Mohinder The Maples Ind. SCHULER, Ron, Hon. St. Paul PC SELINGER, Greg St. Boniface NDP SMITH, Andrew Southdale PC SMITH, Bernadette Point Douglas NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Verendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon. Tuxedo PC SWAN, Andrew Minto NDP TEITSMA, James Radisson PC WHARTON, Jeff, Hon. Gimli PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian, Hon. Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC YAKIMOSKI, Blair Transcona PC 3241 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Monday, October 30, 2017 The House met at 1:30 p.m. locations of many of their colleagues and themselves on dozens of social media platforms in real time. Madam Speaker: O Eternal and Almighty God, from Whom all power and wisdom come, we are Obviously, mentioning where we are is quite assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as serious, and I would submit that bad guys do not read may tend to the welfare and prosperity of our Hansard, but they sure look at social media. And province. Grant, O merciful God, we pray Thee, that these posts are still up, Madam Speaker. we may desire only that which is in accordance with Madam Speaker, the people in place to post–the Thy will, that we may seek it with wisdom, and people–MLAs–to post, in real time, images that are know it with certainty and accomplish it perfectly for obviously and without any concealment the muster the glory and honour of Thy name and for the points is, in my view, beyond the pale. This is not welfare of all our people. by–I haven't done an exhaustive search of social Please be seated. media. It's simply what I found in a few minutes. It does not include blogs, media, TV, radio, private Good afternoon, everybody. video, et cetera. The ability–where there's an ability to minimize exposure, it should be done. MLAs Hon. Steven Fletcher (Assiniboia): Madam should be setting the example in a positive way, not Speaker, I rise on a matter of privilege. creating a larger problem, as we have seen on MATTER OF PRIVILEGE October 5th. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Madam Speaker, I'm talking about social Assiniboia, on a matter of privilege. media like YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, Hon. Steven Fletcher (Assiniboia): Madam Instagram, and it goes on. So, the motion is this– Speaker, I rise on a matter of privilege. I'm seconded before I get to the motion, I will be tabling relevant by the member from The Maples. issues of privilege that this affects from Beauchesne and Montpetit, but in the interest of time, perhaps I Madam Speaker, this is the first opportunity that will just move straight to the motion. I've had to bring this issue up and I think we will all Be it resolved bad people will see social media agree that this is of some immediate concern. postings long before they read Hansard. Therefore, Madam Speaker, I'm about to quote your ruling the Speaker must direct MLAs to immediately delete from last Thursday. I am not reflecting on that ruling revealing images and/or comments posted on social in a positive or negative way, I'm just going to quote media by MLAs revealing, in real time, the location it to make my point. and distribution of MLAs and other staffers in the Leg. during the emergency. This order should I would urge–this is the Speaker's ruling–I would include websites, Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, urge caution about comments placed on the record Instagram, YouTube and the like. Moreover, the when raising such issues as they could be– Speaker must direct MLAs not to post images or unintentionally show information that would or comments during emergencies that could be could be used that is 'defermential', such as noting detrimental, such as noting the location of certain the location of certain members while the security members while the security sweep was taking sweep was taking place. The security of MLAs and place. The Speaker and appropriate authorities staff and visitors in this building is a primary concern immediately must develop and communicate of your Speaker. alternative evacuation plans for MLAs and legislative staff. And you're absolutely correct, in my view, but what has occurred–I was inspired to check social Madam Speaker: Before recognizing any other media this weekend and, Madam Speaker, it is members to speak, I would remind the House that particularly concerning that during this emergency remarks at this time by honourable members are MLAs would, in my view, irresponsibly divulge the limited to strictly relevant comments about whether 3242 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 30, 2017 the alleged matter of privilege has been raised at the Madam Speaker: And just for clarification, we are earliest opportunity and whether a prima facie case in routine proceedings. has been established. Deputy Clerk (Mr. Rick Yarish): Your Standing With no speakers standing–oh, the honourable Committee on Human Resources– member for River Heights. Some Honourable Members: Dispense. Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Well, I just Madam Speaker: Dispense. want to point out that I think this is a valid security concern, and I think it's reasonable to raise this. Your Standing Committee on HUMAN RESOURCES presents the following as its first Report. Madam Speaker: Thank you. Meetings On the matter of privilege raised by the honourable member for Assiniboia (Mr. Fletcher), I Your Committee met on the following occasions in would like to inform the House that it has been ruled Room 254 of the Legislative Building: a number of times by Manitoba Speakers that • October 25, 2017 comments made outside the House cannot form the • October 26, 2017 basis of a prima facie case of privilege. Beauchesne's citation 31(1) advises that statements made outside Matters under Consideration the House–and I would indicate, activities that take • place outside of the House–may not be used as a Bill (No. 31) – The Advanced Education basis for a question of privilege. Administration Amendment Act/Loi modifiant la Loi sur l'administration de l'enseignement On page 614 of the House of Commons practice postsecondaire and procedure, O'Brien and Bosc state that the Speaker has no authority to rule on statements–and I Committee Membership will add, actions–made outside of this House by one Committee Membership for the October 25, 2017 member against another. meeting: Therefore, I must respectfully rule that the • Hon. Mr. GERRARD honourable member does not have a matter of • Mr. LAGASSÉ privilege. • Ms. MARCELINO (Logan) Mr. Fletcher: Madam Speaker, some of these • Ms. MORLEY-LECOMTE comments were made in the Chamber, therefore I'd • Mr. MICKLEFIELD like to challenge the ruling of the Chair. • Mr. MICHALESKI • Hon. Mr. SCHULER Madam Speaker: The ruling of the Chair has been • challenged. Mr. SWAN • Mr. TEITSMA * (13:40) • Mr. WIEBE Does the member have support for challenging • Hon. Mr. WISHART the ruling? Your Committee elected Mr. TEITSMA as the The member does not have adequate support, so Chairperson at the October 25, 2017 meeting. the ruling cannot be challenged. Your Committee elected Ms. MORLEY-LECOMTE as ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS the Vice-Chairperson at the October 25, 2017 meeting. Madam Speaker: Introduction of bills? Committee Membership for the October 26, 2017 COMMITTEE REPORTS meeting: Standing Committee on Human Resources • Mr. ALTEMEYER First Report • Mr. BINDLE Mr. James Teitsma (Chairperson): Madam • Mr. JOHNSON Speaker, I wish to present the First Report of the • Ms. LAMOUREUX Standing Committee on Human Resources. • Ms. MORLEY-LECOMTE (Vice-Chairperson) October 30, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3243 • Hon. Mr. PEDERSEN Natalie Copps, Manitoba Law Students Association • Mrs. SMITH (Point Douglas) Carlen Comegan-Ronke, Private Citizen • Mr. TEITSMA (Chairperson) Janet Morrill, University of Manitoba Faculty • Mr. WIEBE Association – UMFA • Hon. Mr. WISHART Robert Chernomas, Manitoba Organization of • Mr. YAKIMOSKI Faculty Associations Geoff Bergen, Private Citizen Non-Committee Members Speaking on Record Elizabeth Carlyle, Private Citizen Non-Committee Members speaking on the record at Chris Rigaux, Private Citizen the October 25, 2017 meeting: Mackenzie Peters, Private Citizen Eric Schillberg, University of Manitoba Engineering • Mr.