INTERVIEW Famous ABBA Fans Talk: Bucks Fizz In 1981, two young women and two young men career… I wasn’t pessimistic but very realistic were selected as the UK entry for the Eurovision about it. My brother had a struggle afterwards Song Contest (ESC) with the song Making Your because sometimes, if you do Eurovision, Mind Up. It turned out to be a successful bet; people don’t know what box to put you in. I just Bucks Fizz impressed the European juries with went along with it, but we got very lucky. their catchy song and colourful, skirt-ripping Bobby: Normally after Eurovision, if you lose, act. After winning the contest, they went on to the box they put you in is a coffin (all laugh). become one of the most successful pop groups But ABBA also lost the first time, didn’t they? from Britain in the ‘80s, with three UK number ones, several Top 10 hits and record sales that Well, they had lost in the Swedish heats the exceeded 15 million. Original band members previous year, but even after winning with Cheryl Baker, Jay Aston and Mike Nolan, joined Waterloo, they found it difficult to find the by Bobby McVay, still perform at sell-out venues right follow-up for the UK. but, bizarrely, for legal reasons, had to add Cheryl: After Waterloo, it took them about 18 ‘Formerly of Bucks Fizz’ to their names. Before months, and then came... one of their joyful, perfectly choreographed All: SOS, Mamma Mia and so on… shows, I met the foursome who unanimously recognise ABBA’s legacy. Do you guys remember the moment ABBA won the ESC? Could you describe how it felt to win the In unison: Yeah. ESC? Cheryl: It was just so vibrant, so beautiful. Cheryl: I did the Eurovision once before for The song was so strong, they sang in English, the UK, in 1978, with the band CoCo and we which was much easier for us to understand, came 11th, which was very disappointing. And and they looked different. They looked great, so when we did the Eurovision in 1981, I went in multi-coloured, almost hippy-like. with my eyes wide open, thinking we’re probably Mike: I remember I was at someone’s house going to lose. To actually win was phenomenal to watch it. I had missed the bus and, as I got because it was my childhood dream, so it was in, I saw Olivia [Newton-John] on the last note the best day of my life up to that point. of the song. Jay: It’s funny because it was my childhood Jay: Vividly. I remember watching TV in my front dream as well. I had a list of things when I was room going crazy, and I remember what they a kid because my brother and I used to sing a wore. My mum was always into styling; both lot and we used to write songs together. We my parents were in showbiz, and our house had a list: winning Eurovision, a Number One had always been full of costumes, but it was the record and a Royal Command, and I wrote that ABBA outfits that made me kind of fall in love when I was nine. with the whole costume side. Cheryl: You did all three, probably in the same year as well. Did you know that the UK gave zero points Jay: Yeah. to Waterloo? Mike: I was the same. Since I was a kid, I Cheryl (surprised): Did we? The UK gave zero had been watching Eurovision. We had to sit points? Ooh, wow! I am amazed. there and keep quiet, eat our crisps, drink our lemonade and just watch the contest. I was kind Would you agree that with your Eurovision of interested but when Sandie Shaw won it, I act, with the skirt-ripping, you took it one became really interested in it. step further than ABBA? Cheryl: Yes, me too. It was one of the first Jay: Slightly. Because the boys weren’t playing, times I watched it, and then I really got hooked. they weren’t stuck behind an instrument. We I thought, this is like winning an Olympic gold had to be more visual—partly to make up for medal, for your country. that. Every single was individual, costume-wise and routine-wise. The sky was the limit. Once Bobby, you have also participated if I am we had recorded the song, we started to get correct? ideas of how to present it. Bobby: Yeah, in 1993. My group Sweet Dreams came 6th, not 11th the first time round(laughs). From the start, you must have been aware If I’d gone in for the second time, I probably of the comparison to ABBA? would have won as well (Cheryl laughs). After Jay: Every interview we did, pretty much, they that I thought, well, you’ve done it once, you’ve would compare us, because of the two-boy- got the T-shirt, you don’t want to do it again. two-girl thing. We were called the British ABBA You never know. No, I do know, we voted for many, many times. Brexit (all laugh)! Cheryl: People would compare us because Jay: My brother did Eurovision twice and, in we did the Eurovision and the two-boy-two-girl 1980, he came second. Like Cheryl, I was aware thing, but we don’t play instruments. We actually of what only coming second had done to his are not just singers, we are dancers, so we 1 Interview from magazine #130 © ABBA Fan Club Stany meeting Bucks Fizz always had dance routines, which ABBA didn’t have. The girls just moved into kind of positions, Was it hard to find the right follow-up single? didn’t they? But vocally, I think our songs were Cheryl: The success of Making Your Mind Up good. We had some great pop songs. We don’t was so huge around the world that the record write ourselves. Well, we do write, but we never company, RCA, just said, what are we gonna wrote any of our hits, which is a shame. release next? We didn’t have much to say about Jay: It was a shame. If there was any sort of it, it was all down to the record company and our downside, it was that although between us writer Andy Hill, really. We went into the studio, we did write some B-sides, there was a lot of recorded Piece Of The Action, and that was a writing talent within the band. The people who big hit as well. put the band together had that sewn up. If there Jay: It was The Land Of Make Believe that is anything retrospectively I wish that could crossed over a lot of age groups and that was have been different, I wish we would have been the song that really made us ‘we’re here to stay’. allowed to write more, because we would have It gave us longevity. been a happier, more successful unit. Cheryl: It was the biggest-selling single in the Mike: Our aim was not to sound similar to UK for us, bigger than Making Your Mind Up. ABBA. The singles were all different, as were the look and the sound, and we obviously used How did you collaborate with Andy Hill? different choreographies as well, so this kept it Did you have an input when the songs were all different. But ABBA worked the same way. presented to you? Everything they brought out was an evolvement. Jay: Andy was responsible for all our main That was a good thing. hits. In general, he would know exactly what the outcome would be. A track could be quite At what moment did you realise Bucks Fizz advanced before we went into the studio could become a long-term success story? or could be empty. It just depended on our Jay: I don’t think we thought we would have schedule ‘cause sometimes we had to fly in to long-term success. We were just living for the do the vocals when we were on tour. moment, just enjoying travelling all over Europe, Cheryl: And we were flying individually as well. promoting Making Your Mind Up, which then I would go in one day, then Mike would go in became a success in territories that hadn’t even and Jay would, which was a difficult way to do had Eurovision. So the success of Making Your a recording. You did feel you weren’t really a Mind Up was huge, and then it dawned on us part of it, but that’s all we had the time to do. several months down the line that we had to Jay: It was a jigsaw puzzle, basically. Andy follow it up. and Brian Tench, who was his main engineer, were really taking care of the recording process, Do you agree, Mike? because we were so busy in terms of all the Cheryl: Mike doesn’t agree (laughs). promotion, which is unfortunate. Mike: I can agree, but we were already #5 in the charts over here, before we flew over to Dublin Did your way of working change over the for Eurovision. I just thought, we’ve got a future years? here. I was very optimistic about everything. Jay: Andy bought a house in the country and Even on day one, I thought we were going to be built a very good studio in his barn.