MEETING OF THE PARLIAMENT Wednesday 12 June 2002 (Afternoon) Session 1 £5.00 Parliamentary copyright. Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body 2002. Applications for reproduction should be made in writing to the Copyright Unit, Her Majesty‟s Stationery Office, St Clements House, 2-16 Colegate, Norwich NR3 1BQ Fax 01603 723000, which is administering the copyright on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. Produced and published in Scotland on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body by The Stationery Office Ltd. Her Majesty‟s Stationery Office is independent of and separate from the company now trading as The Stationery Office Ltd, which is responsible for printing and publishing Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body publications. CONTENTS Wednesday 12 June 2002 Debates Col. TIME FOR REFLECTION .................................................................................................................................... 9541 UNIVERSITY OF ST ANDREWS (POSTGRADUATE MEDICAL DEGREES) BILL: STAGE 1 ......................................... 9543 Motion moved—[Iain Smith]. Iain Smith (North-East Fife) (LD) ............................................................................................................... 9543 The Minister for Enterprise, Transport and Lifelong Learning (Iain Gray) ................................................. 9545 Andrew Wilson (Central Scotland) (SNP) .................................................................................................. 9546 Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) ...................................................................................... 9546 Alex Neil (Central Scotland) (SNP) ............................................................................................................ 9547 Marilyn Livingstone (Kirkcaldy) (Lab) ........................................................................................................ 9548 Mr Keith Raffan (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) ........................................................................................... 9548 Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP) .......................................................................................... 9549 Iain Smith ................................................................................................................................................... 9550 PARTICIPATION IN SPORT ................................................................................................................................ 9552 Motion moved—[Mike Watson]. Amendment moved—[Irene McGugan]. Amendment moved—[Mr Brian Monteith]. The Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport (Mike Watson) ..................................................................... 9552 Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP) ........................................................................................... 9557 Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) ...................................................................................... 9560 Ian Jenkins (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD) ............................................................................. 9564 Rhona Brankin (Midlothian) (Lab).............................................................................................................. 9566 Ms Margo MacDonald (Lothians) (SNP) ................................................................................................... 9568 Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (Lothians) (Con) ....................................................................................... 9570 Cathy Peattie (Falkirk East) (Lab) ............................................................................................................. 9573 Michael Matheson (Central Scotland) (SNP) ............................................................................................ 9575 Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD) ............................................................... 9576 Dennis Canavan (Falkirk West) ................................................................................................................. 9578 Alex Johnstone (North-East Scotland) (Con) ............................................................................................ 9579 Richard Lochhead (North-East Scotland) (SNP) ....................................................................................... 9581 Mr Kenneth Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) .................................................................................................. 9583 Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD) ...................................................................................................... 9585 Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) ............................................................................................. 9587 Irene McGugan .......................................................................................................................................... 9589 The Deputy Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport (Dr Elaine Murray) .................................................. 9590 SCOTTISH PARLIAMENTARY OMBUDSMAN AND HEALTH SERVICE OMBUDSMAN ANNUAL REPORT ...................... 9596 Motion moved—[Mrs Margaret Smith]. PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU MOTION .................................................................................................................. 9596 Motion moved—[Euan Robson]. DECISION TIME ............................................................................................................................................... 9597 FIREWORKS .................................................................................................................................................... 9602 Motion debated—[Shona Robison]. Shona Robison (North-East Scotland) (SNP) ........................................................................................... 9602 Marilyn Livingstone (Kirkcaldy) (Lab) ........................................................................................................ 9605 Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP) .......................................................................................... 9606 Dr Sylvia Jackson (Stirling) (Lab) .............................................................................................................. 9607 John Young (West of Scotland) (Con) ....................................................................................................... 9608 Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab) ................................................................................................... 9609 Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD) ...................................................................................................... 9610 Linda Fabiani (Central Scotland) (SNP) .................................................................................................... 9611 Mr John McAllion (Dundee East) (Lab) ..................................................................................................... 9612 The Deputy Minister for Enterprise, Transport and Lifelong Learning (Lewis Macdonald) ....................... 9614 9541 12 JUNE 2002 9542 there is a time when God is near to us and a time Scottish Parliament when he is not. Wednesday 12 June 2002 Let us pray. Help us Lord to look for the living Lord that we would (Afternoon) know His blessing. Bless our Parliament and all its members and help each [THE PRESIDING OFFICER opened the meeting at one especially when important decisions are made. 14:30] Bless our country we pray and may we know the peace and prosperity that only the Lord can give. For Jesus‟ sake. Time for Reflection Amen. The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel): Good afternoon. We welcome from Skye the Rev John H MacLean of the Free Church of Scotland, who will lead time for reflection today. Rev John H MacLean (Free Church of Scotland): Let us read the word of God in Isaiah, chapter 55, verses 1 to 11. “Ho! Every one who thirsts, come to the waters, and you who have no money; come buy and eat; come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Why do you spend money for what is not bread, and your wages for what does not satisfy? Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good, and let your soul delight itself in abundance. Incline your ear and come to Me; hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, the sure mercies of David. Indeed, I have made him as a witness to the people, a leader and commander for the people. Surely, you shall call a nation you do not know, and nations who do not know you shall run to you, because of the Lord your God and the Holy One of Israel, for He has glorified you. Seek the Lord while He may be found; call upon Him while He is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return to the Lord, and He will have mercy on him, and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon. For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways, says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain comes down and the snow from heaven, and do not return there, but water the earth, and make it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed for the sower and bread for the eater, So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth: It shall not return to Me void, but it shall accomplish