EUROPEAN UNION COMMITTEE The EU referendum and EU reform Evidence Volume Catherine Bearder MEP, Ashley Fox MEP and Glenis Willmott MEP—Oral Evidence (QQ 126-133) ........................................................................................................................................................ 4 Bertelsmann Stiftung, Centre for European Policy Studies and European Policy Centre—Oral Evidence (QQ 134-139) ......................................................................................................................... 19 Elmar Brok MEP and Danuta Hübner MEP—Oral Evidence (QQ 120-125) .............................. 33 CBI, TheCityUK and TUC—Oral Evidence (QQ 53-64) ............................................................... 44 The Centre for Cross Border Studies—Written Evidence (VEU0008) ...................................... 65 Centre for European Policy Studies, Bertelsmann Stiftung and European Policy Centre—Oral Evidence (QQ 133-138) ......................................................................................................................... 80 Convention of Scottish Local Authorities—Written Evidence (VEU0006) ................................ 81 Professor Laura Cram and Professor Andrew Scott—Oral Evidence (QQ 98-105) ............... 89 Alun Davies AM, Suzy Davies AM, Rt Hon Lord Elis-Thomas AM David Melding AM, and William Powell AM—Oral Evidence (QQ 22-27) .......................................................................... 115 Suzy Davies AM, Alun Davies AM, Rt Hon Lord Elis-Thomas AM, David Melding AM, and William Powell AM—Oral Evidence (QQ 22-27 ............................................................................ 127 Craig Egner and Fiona Hyslop MSP—Oral Evidence (QQ 65-78) .............................................. 128 Michael Emerson—Written Evidence (VEU0001) .......................................................................... 145 European Policy Centre, Bertelsmann Stiftung and Centre for European Policy Studies—Oral Evidence (QQ 133-138) ....................................................................................................................... 147 Rt Hon Lord Elis-Thomas AM, Alun Davies AM, Suzy Davies AM, David Melding AM, and William Powell AM—Oral Evidence (QQ 22-27) .......................................................................... 148 Jonathan Faull—Oral Evidence (QQ 106-119) ................................................................................ 149 Ashley Fox MEP, Catherin Bearder MEP and Glenis Willmott MEP—Oral Evidence (QQ 126-133) ................................................................................................................................................... 160 French Sénat European Affairs Committee—Oral Evidence (QQ 151-161) ........................... 161 French Sénat European Affairs Committee— Written evidence (VEU0017) .......................... 177 Dr Maria Garcia—Written Evidence (VEU0010) ........................................................................... 186 General Medical Council—Written Evidence (VEU0003) ............................................................ 189 German Bundestag Committee on European Affairs—Oral Evidence (QQ 181-190) .......... 195 HE Claus Grube, HE Dan Mulhall and HE Witold Sobków—Oral Evidence (QQ 28-40) ... 207 Dr Sara Hagemann, Professor Simon Hix and Professor Anand Menon—Oral Evidence (QQ 41-52) ........................................................................................................................................................ 226 Brian Hayes MEP and Manfred Weber MEP—Oral Evidence (QQ 140-150) .......................... 247 Danuta Hübner MEP and Elmar Brok MEP—Oral Evidence (QQ 120-125) ............................ 261 Dr Kirsty Hughes—Written Evidence (VEU0011) ......................................................................... 262 Professor Simon Hix, Dr Sara Hagemann and Professor Anand Menon—Oral Evidence (QQ 41-52) ........................................................................................................................................................ 268 Professor Simon Hix— Supplementary Written Evidence (VEU0015) ..................................... 269 Dr Joanna Hunt and Dr Hywel Ceri Jones—Oral Evidence (QQ 1-9) ..................................... 272 Fiona Hyslop MSP and Craig Egner—Oral Evidence (QQ 65-78) .............................................. 286 Dr Davor Jancic—Written Evidence (VEU0012) ........................................................................... 287 Rt Hon Carwyn Jones AM and Dr Robert Parry—Oral Evidence (QQ 10-21) ...................... 293 Dr Hywel Ceri Jones and Dr Joanna Hunt —Oral Evidence (QQ 1-9) .................................... 309 Jamie McGrigor MSP, Christina McKelvie MSP, and Anne McTaggart MSP—Oral Evidence (QQ 79-91) ............................................................................................................................................. 310 Christina McKelvie MSP, Jamie McGrigor MSP, and Anne McTaggart MSP—Oral Evidence (QQ 79-91) ............................................................................................................................................. 327 Anne McTaggart MSP, Jamie McGrigor MSP, Christina McKelvie MSP—Oral Evidence (QQ 79-91) ........................................................................................................................................................ 328 David Melding AM, Alun Davies AM, Suzy Davies AM, Rt Hon Lord Elis-Thomas AM and William Powell AM—Oral Evidence (QQ 22-27) .......................................................................... 329 Professor Anand Menon, Dr Sara Hagemann and Professor Simon Hix—Oral Evidence (QQ 41-52) ........................................................................................................................................................ 330 HE Dan Mulhall, HE Claus Grube and HE Witold Sobków—Oral Evidence (QQ 28-40) ... 331 Dr Jane O’Mahony—Written Evidence (VEU0005) ....................................................................... 332 Dr Robert Parry and Rt Hon Carwyn Jones AM—Oral Evidence (QQ 10-21) ...................... 336 Professor Andrew Scott and Professor Laura Cram—Oral Evidence (QQ 98-105) ............. 337 Vivien Pertusot—Written Evidence (VEU0013) ............................................................................. 338 William Powell AM, Alun Davies AM, Suzy Davies AM, Rt Hon Lord Elis-Thomas AM and David Melding AM—Oral Evidence (QQ 22-27) ............................................................................ 343 HE Witold Sobków HE Claus Grube and HE Dan Mulhall—Oral Evidence (QQ 28-40) .... 344 HE Witold Sobków—Written Evidence (VEU0002) ..................................................................... 345 The UK in a Changing Europe Initiative—Written Evidence (VEU0007) ................................. 347 TheCityUK, CBI and TUC—Oral Evidence (QQ 53-64) ............................................................. 354 TheCityUK—Written Evidence (VEU0016) .................................................................................... 355 TUC, CBI and TheCityUK—Oral Evidence (QQ 53-64) ............................................................. 364 TUC—Written Evidence (VEU0014) ................................................................................................ 365 UK Government—Oral Evidence (QQ 162-180) .......................................................................... 372 UK Green Party MEPs—Written Evidence (VEU0009) ................................................................ 389 2 of 401 Manfred Weber MEP and Brian Hayes MEP—Oral Evidence (QQ 140-150) .......................... 395 Glenis Willmott MEP, Catherine Bearder MEP and Ashley Fox MEP—Oral Evidence (QQ 126-133) ................................................................................................................................................... 396 Professor Derrick Wyatt QC—Written Evidence (VEU0004) ................................................... 397 3 of 401 Catherine Bearder MEP, Ashley Fox MEP and Glenis Willmott MEP—Oral Evidence (QQ 126-133) Catherine Bearder MEP, Ashley Fox MEP and Glenis Willmott MEP—Oral Evidence (QQ 126-133) Evidence Session No. 12 Heard in Public Questions 126 - 133 Members present Lord Boswell of Aynho (Chairman) Lord Davies of Stamford Lord Green of Hurstpierpoint Lord Jay of Ewelme Lord Liddle Baroness Scott of Needham Market _______________________ Examination of Witnesses Mr Ashley Fox MEP, European Conservatives and Reformists Group, European Parliament, Ms Glenis Willmott MEP, Socialists and Democrats Group, European Parliament, and Ms Catherine Bearder MEP, Group of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe, European Parliament Q126 The Chairman: Good morning, Lords, ladies and gentlemen. I was going to say welcome to our colleagues from the European Parliament but actually they are our hosts and we are very grateful for the opportunity to come here. I take the slightly flat-footed view that if you do not go and talk to people, you may not know what they are thinking about and you may not learn anything. Certainly, from past experience, it has been very fruitful to come and talk to colleagues here and to get what might be termed—and I hope this will be treated in the spirit in which it is offered—a detached British perspective of what is going on in Westminster. I think that the three of you—that is,