PETROLEUM INDUSTRY ORAL HISTORY PROJECT TRANSCRIPT INTERVIEWEE: Bill Mooney INTERVIEWER: David Finch DATE: July 2004 DF: Today is 20th of July in the year 2004 and we are with Mr. Bill Mooney Sr. at the offices of CDX Canada Co., Suite 1210, 606 - 4th St. S.W. My name is David Finch. Thank you so much for meeting with us today. BM: You’re quite welcome David. DF: Start by telling us where and when you were born? BM: I was born in Regina, Saskatchewan, 27th of February, 1929. DF: And what were your parents doing? BM: Well, I was adopted. My dad was a dentist, he brought me home and he said, well, if he’s good enough for me, he’s good enough for you. That was the words my mother got. His name was W. J. Mooney, he was Doc Mooney in Regina, a dentist. My mother at that time, and I say at that time, was Bessie Leonid??? Mooney. Then she died when I was three and my dad remarried, Esther Mooney who later became my mom to me, a great individual, great gal. My father then died three years later. So she was left in 1934 with myself and a sister and she raised the two of us on absolutely. .of course, doctor’s in those years had no money and she raised us on $60 a month. I remember the first raise from ‘34 was in ‘44 when the Canadian government, she got a $15 raise. So she’s sort of on the pedestal for me. So that’s the family history. Then if you want me to go, I went to grade school in Regina at Holy Rosary. Took 8 years and followed that with a year at Campion College. where I flunked. Because my mother was working and she didn’t have much of a . DF: What was the name of that college? BM: Campion, a Jesuit high school in Regina, I think it was the only one. Anyway I took grade 9 there and flunked because I was out playing hockey and fishing. So then I ran into Father Murray that summer, who was known to me through my dad and as a kid I went out there . Maybe I’ll give you a copy of Pere Murray and the Hounds before you leave, you’d enjoy the book by Gorman??? So he said, I’ll talk to your mom because they were good friends. So that was 1944 and he went and saw my mom and Pere said, it’s okay, Esther, let the kid go out because he won’t last, it’s too tough for him. So I went in the fall of ‘44 to Notre Dame, stayed for 8 years until ‘52. And left there with 2nd year university in ??? #036 DF: How did you get into the oil patch then? BM: Well, in ‘52 I left, I came out and worked underground in Kimberley at the Sullivan Mine. DF: What did you do? 2 Bill Mooney July 2004 Tape 1 Side 1 BM: I was a mucker, and had the odd other job that they assigned me to, which was quite unusual. I had a bonus of $5 a day at one time but that only lasted a day until the union people found it and they said, no, no we got union people who should be doing this. Anyway, I was in the union but not a regular member because they sort of took that I was going to stay the summer. I was looking at permanent employee. The old miners would say, god dammit Mooney, get out of the mine, it’ll get in your blood, you’ll be here all your life. So anyway, they had a strike. Then they asked me if I wanted to go to Bluebell Mine because I was considered a summer student, I sort of needed the money. I said no and went out and helped an uncle in Vancouver for about 2 months with his turkeys. Then I hitchhiked down the coast to Los Angeles where my girlfriend lived, Lois Larson, who also went to Notre Dame. Anyway, I worked there as a house painter with her dad who was Beverly Hills Painting. Then after, in September, I came back to Calgary to look at going into the oil patch to look at going into the oil patch. I heard all the money was there, most people in Saskatchewan did. So landed here about the 20th of September in ‘52 and on the 22nd I saw a job with Core Laboratories. They’re mentioned in this. I went down and applied for a job and became a mud logging engineer as they called them. I didn’t have a degree of course, but worked for them until 1954, the spring sort of, ‘54. They decided they were going to move all their well logging equipment back to the U.S. and offered me a job back there. I ended up having three graduate geologists work for me and travelled all over western Canada, even down into Colorado. But I had gone down and talked to people at Colorado College and they offered me a chance. .now in the interim, in ‘53, I got married and had a child, who will in fact, be 50 yrs. old tomorrow. So anyway, Lois and I decided to go back to school. We went to Colorado College on a football scholarship. Then they cut me out because I came from a four year university so I had to pay the fee for the first semester somehow. Anyway, 2½ years later I graduated. Not many fellows. .I think only one other fellow, we graduated in February and got a job but I had a call from Cities Service, who I’d done work for in Canada on the well logging units and they offered me a job as a geologist with them. I went to Amarillo, Texas for about 3 months and then back to Canada and worked with Cities Service at that time and was with them until ‘80, but through that period I worked up to chief geologist then exploration manager which was a vice presidency and then assistant general manager and then general manager, I was actually the first president Cities had here. #083 DF: So when did you get your degree? BM: I got my degree in February of ‘54, bachelor of science in geology. DF: Right. So why did you go to the States for that rather than take it here? BM: You couldn’t get scholarships here and we didn’t have any money. In fact, the way we went to the U.S., because Bill was 6 weeks old, my wife flew and I took the bus with the two trunks. We got down there and we didn’t have very much money. Then my wife couldn’t find work and so she decided that she and young Bill would go back to L.A. and live with her dad and I ended up washing 52 milk trucks at night because they had taken me off the scholarship and I needed money to pay for it. So I did that the first two years I was there. In fact, the guy at Baker Truck Rental said, don’t send any of those ordinary 3 Bill Mooney July 2004 Tape 1 Side 1 football players, we need some Canadians over here again, this guy’s a worker. So I guess he appreciated it. DF: So tell us about the football scholarship, what were you. .where did you play? BM: I had played football at Notre Dame, then I played junior ball with, what was then, the East End Bombers in Regina. I always thought I was a fair football player. Anyway I went to Colorado as a quarterback but got hurt and they put another fellow in and I ended up playing end for them. Then when I came back, before I had graduated, Dean Griffin in Regina, who was then with the Roughriders asked me if I would like to go play with them but we never really talked in detail. He said, you’re a geologist, I can get you a job with the PFRA, which is Prairie Farmer Assistants. I said, oh, do they use geologists Dean, he said, well, they’re playing with that dirt all the time. Anyway, I didn’t do that and I went back to finish the school off. I was just there on a holiday and when Lois and I went to Amarillo and then came back up here and then I was moved to Edmonton for a short time and then back to Calgary. Then Joe Badyk, who became very. we had met the Badyk’s before we left Calgary, Joe was with Cities and so he worked with Jim Finks, who was then the general manager. The late Jim Finks who went on to fame with Minnesota, the Bears won the big cup and then he went on and was president of the New Orleans Saints, a very highly thought of guy here in town. Anyway, they negotiated that maybe I could play with the Stampeders, then the difference between the time I took off, the Stampeders would make up. So I wasn’t getting much of a contract. Of course, not many Canadians did in those days. Normie Kwong talked of his $500 a year contract with them. I didn’t go out with them though.