1 Uncorrected/ Not for Publication-07.09.2013 TDB-PSV/1A/11.00 The House met at eleven of the clock, MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair. ----- MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, messages from Lok Sabha. MESSAGES FROM LOK SABHA (I) The Rajiv Gandhi National Aviation University Bill, 2013 (II) The Prohibition of Employment as Manual Scavengers and their Rehabilitation Bill, 2013 (III) The Parliament (Prevention of Disqualification) Amendment Bill, 2013 (IV) The Representation of the People (Amendment and Validation) Bill, 2013 SECRETARY-GENERAL: Sir, I have to report to the House the following messages received from the Lok Sabha, signed by the Secretary-General of the Lok Sabha: (I) “In accordance with the provisions of rule 96 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in Lok Sabha, I am directed 2 Uncorrected/ Not for Publication-07.09.2013 to enclose the Rajiv Gandhi National Aviation University Bill, 2013, as passed by Lok Sabha at its sitting held on the 6th September, 2013.” (II) “In accordance with the provisions of rule 96 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in Lok Sabha, I am directed to enclose the Prohibition of Employment as Manual Scavengers and their Rehabilitation Bill, 2013, as passed by Lok Sabha at its sitting held on the 6th September, 2013.” (III) “In accordance with the provisions of rule 120 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in Lok Sabha, I am directed to inform you that Lok Sabha, at its sitting held on the 6th September, 2013, agreed without any amendment to the Parliament (Prevention of Disqualification) Amendment Bill, 2013, which was passed by Rajya Sabha at its sitting held on the 22nd August, 2013.” (IV) “In accordance with the provisions of rule 120 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in Lok Sabha, I am directed to inform you that Lok Sabha, at its sitting held on the 6th September, 2013, agreed without any amendment to The Representation of the People (Amendment and Validation) Bill, 2013, which was passed by Rajya Sabha at its sitting held on the 27th August, 2013.”. 3 Uncorrected/ Not for Publication-07.09.2013 Sir, I lay a copy each of the following Bills on the Table: (1) The Rajiv Gandhi National Aviation University Bill, 2013. (2)The Prohibition of Employment as Manual Scavengers and their Rehabilitation Bill, 2013. (Ends) ी रिव शंकर साद: सर, म एक गभीर िवषय की ओर आपका ध्यान आकिर्षत करना चाहता हूँ। ...(यवधान)... एक िमनट...(यवधान)... SHRI C.M. RAMESH: Sir,... ...(Interruptions)... ी रिव शंकर साद: सर, यह एक गभीर िवषय है।...(यवधान)... SHRI V. HANUMANTHA RAO: Sir, everyday they have this... (Interruptions)... सर, ...(यवधान)... पूरे सदन को खराब कर रहे ह। ...(यवधान)... ी रिव शंकर साद: सर, म एक गभीर िवषय की ओर आपका ध्यान आकिर्षत करना चाहता हूँ। ...(यवधान)... एक िमनट...(यवधान)... SHRI C.M. RAMESH: Who has made this... ...(Interruptions)... ी रिव शंकर साद: सर, हमारा बहुत गभीर िवषय है। ...(यवधान)... सर, गभीर िवषय यह है िक िपछले हते...(यवधान)... Mr. Chowdary, just a minute. ...(Interruptions)... 4 Uncorrected/ Not for Publication-07.09.2013 SHRI C.M. RAMESH: Sir, Zero Hour is going on in... ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please, please. ...(Interruptions)... RE. PASSING OF CONSTITUTION (ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTIETH AMENDMENT) BILL, 2013 ी रिव शंकर साद (िबहार): सर, िपछले हते ज्यिडिशयलू किमशन काटीं ूशनल अमडमट िबल को पािरत िकया गया। यह कहा गया िक यह िवषय बहुत अजट है, देश के िलए जरूरी है। उस पर यहा ँ 8 घंटे चचार् हुई। हम लोग को लगा िक इसे टिंडग कमेटी म जाना चािहए था, लेिकन वहा ँ इसे नहीं भेजा गया और माननीय कानून मंतर्ी ने कहा िक नहीं, आज ही जरूरी है। लेिकन, आज यह िथित है िक वह संिवधान संशोधन िवधेयक दोन सदन से पािरत नहीं हुआ है। मुझे बड़ी पीड़ा के साथ आपसे एक आपि करनी है िक यह एक गभीर िवषय था। हमने कहा भी था िक इसे टिंडग कमेटी म जाना चािहए और चचार् होनी चािहए। अगर सरकार ने दोन हाउसेज़ से इसे नहीं पािरत कराया, तो हड़बड़ी म इस पर यहा ँ बहस क्य करायी गयी? यह गभीर आपि हम आपको बताना चाहते ह। ...(यवधान)... यह हमारी गभीर आपि है। ...(यवधान)... And we wish to lodge our very strong protest over it. What was the agenda behind rushing through the Constitutional 5 Uncorrected/ Not for Publication-07.09.2013 Amendment in such a hurry bypassing the Standing Committee when the Government could not get it through from both the Houses? Why was it done, Sir? I want to know it. ी एन.के . िंसह: सर, ...(यवधान)... इन्हने जो गभीर न उठाया है, उससे म सपूणर् रूप से सहमत हूँ। एक तरह से राज्य सभा के िलए, जो हम लोग ने इसम भाग िलया और इस पर भाषण िदया, यह एक हायद िथित है। ...(यवधान)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: But we cannot discuss something why it was not taken up in the Lok Sabha. We cannot do that. ...(Interruptions)... PROF. RAM GOPAL YADAV: But we may register our opposition to it. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI P. RAJEEVE: Sir, we want a response... ...(Interruptions)... ो. राम गोपाल यादव: सर, ...(यवधान)... लेिकन, हम इस पर अपनी आपि तो दजर् करा ही सकते ह। ...(यवधान)... हम लोग ने यहा ँ अपनी बात कही, सारे अखबार ने चचार् की ...(यवधान)... SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: Sir, ...(Interruptions)... ...taken for a ride to bypass the Standing Committee on the ground of urgency. Kindly see it. ...(Interruptions)... You sought to bypass the Standing 6 Uncorrected/ Not for Publication-07.09.2013 Committee as it was urgent. It has not been passed. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI P. RAJEEVE: We said that the Constitution Amendment Bill should be sent to the Standing Committee. Only because of urgency, we voted in favour of the Bill. ...(Interruptions)... We want to know from the Government as to what the position is. ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Rajeeve, the problem is, we cannot discuss here why a particular Bill is not taken up in the Lok Sabha or not. We cannot discuss that. ...(Interruptions)... We passed the Bill, and it is over. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI P. RAJEEVE: The Minister gave an assurance... ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: If the Minister has to say something, I have no objection. But we cannot discuss this subject. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI D. RAJA: Sir, why did the Minister give such an assurance? ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: That Minister is not here. ...(Interruptions)... DR. V. MAITREYAN: The Minister is not here to tell us. ...(Interruptions)... 7 Uncorrected/ Not for Publication-07.09.2013 MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Okay, you made your point. That is all. ...(Interruptions)...You made your point. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI N.K. SINGH: The Minister should come and explain it. SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: The Minister owes it to this House to come here and explain why he * us. ...(Interruptions)... (Followed by 1b-kls) VNK/KLS/1B-11.05 SHRI P. RAJEEVE: It is just *. ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: * is an unparliamentary word. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: For the whole day he kept arguing that it is urgent. ...(Interruptions)... The Standing Committee has been bypassed, I am sorry to say that. ...(Interruptions)...This is because of urgency. ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: We will pass on to the Budget. SHRI P. RAJEEVE: He has * the House. ...(Interruptions).. ----------------------------------------------------- * Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 8 Uncorrected/ Not for Publication-07.09.2013 SHRI N.K. SINGH: Why was the Rajya Sabha taken for a ride? MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I understand your concern. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: The Minister * the Rajya Sabha that the matter is urgent. ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You cannot say it. .. *is unparliamentary. ...(Interruptions).. SHR RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: He said that the matter is urgent. ...(Interruptions)... He did not get it passed in the Lok Sabha. ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: * is removed. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI N.K. SINGH: He must come and explain to us. ...(Interruptions)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Hon. Members, I understand your concern and I appreciate you. But the point is that we cannot discuss ----------------------------------------------------- * Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 9 Uncorrected/ Not for Publication-07.09.2013 or ask why a particular Bill be passed or not passed and why it is not taken up in the Lok Sabha. ...(Interruptions).. We cannot do that. ...(Interruptions).. We cannot do that. ...(Interruptions)... Let us stop it there. ...(Interruptions)... Let us stop it there. ...(Interruptions).. Let us stop it there. ...(Interruptions).. DR. V. MAITREYAN: We will not allow any of Mr. Sibal's Bill. ...(Interruptions)... He violated all the commitment. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No, no. ...(Interruptions)... The Appropriation (No.4) .. ी थावर चन्द गहलोत: सर, मेरा point of order है। ...(यवधान)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: No point of order. ...(Interruptions)... You made your point. ...(Interruptions).. SHRI RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD: Why did the Minister say it was urgent? मंतर्ी जी ने यह क्य कहा िक यह अरजेन्ट है, इसिलए इसको आज पास करना है? उन्हने ऐसा क्य कहा? ...(यवधान)... MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: It is all right. ...(Interruptions)... That is over. ...(Interruptions).. That is over.