FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIG, )N 1 - Do» December 12 . 1963 Dommiaait No . 1453 DL 44-1639 DON EL^COD LPASURE was interviewed at The After Glow, at which tixa LEISURE was advised of the 2 identity of the interviewaza as Special Agents of the rodoral Bureau of Investigation . Be was advised that he did not have to cake a stat6cant and that Department, officers did not challenge him as "they" would any statement he did make could bn used against him never have considered him capable of shooting anyone . in a court of law . He was advised of his right to consult an attorney . Miss TAYLOR related that "RUBY is a nice guy once you get to know him ; however, he is different ." LEISURE was asked whothor he was acquainted in any way with JACK RUBY or GEO.-N: SENATOR, whereupon he advised that in 1955 when LEISURE came to Dallas he met JACK RUBY at RUBY's club, the Carousal, in Dallas . LEASURZ, further advised that he met GEORGE SENATOR at the Smuggler Bar located at 4840 Gaston . LEISURE stated that his acquaintance with JACK RUBY has been very casual and he has not had occasion to go to the Carousel or the Vegas Clubs very often . He noted that his current emmployae, JUNE RIPSKY, was formerly employed as a dancer by JACK RUBY approximately four or five years ago . LEASURB advised that Mrs . RIPSKY was recently interviewed by FBI Agents concern- ing her employment by RUBY . LEISURE stated that he did not know and never met L= HAEVGY OS^ALD, and he never observed OSTTALD prior to seeing his picture in the Dallas press following the assassination of President KENNEDY . LEISURE never observed JACK RUBY or GEORGE SENATOR in the company of LEE HARVEY OST;-LD at any location at any time . LEISURE furnished the rames of the following person whom he claimed are acquainted with JACK RUBY : JIM BARRETT, Operator of the Joker Restaurant, 6102 East Meckicebird Lane, Dallas, Texas ; L 44-1639 .. 12/12/63 t Dallas, Texas - Fil .I D WILLIAM G . BROOKRART and by Sp .eiel Ag-ts GE 'S:.Gz T . HINIv3Y 4!7 /gmf D.t. dl .t.t .d 12/12/63 ,z n- COMMISSION EXHIBIT NO . 1453 COMMISSION EXHIBIT NO . 1452-Continued r- .. In ... --, FEDERAL BUREAU OF INV.ESTIGI 7N Commission Exhibit No . 1454 1 - - D.I. -49/6 3 2 Mr . JULIAN EDGAR KAHN, II, "_^.o known as DUDE KAHN, 44-1639 OL was contacted at his place of residence, Apartment 3584H, WGB:GTB/gaf Lincolnwood Apartments, located on Inwood Road, Dallas, Texas, telephone AL 6-5013, at which time he advised that he is the roommate of SIDNEY SIMS . He stated that SIDNEY SIMS was not at home at that time but expected him sometime the following Mr . JAMS C. BARPtGAN, SIMS had mentioned the Town Pump, day . Mr . KAHN further advised that SIDNEY Operator of contacted his mother, name unknown, in 5021 West Lovers Lane, to him that the FBI had relation to the assassination of President KENNEDY and the Dallas, Texas; shooting of LEE HARVEY OSWALD . He related that he was not aware friend of JACK RUBY nor could JOSEPH, if SIDNEY SIMS had been a close HILTON hs give any information regarding SIMS association with either Wholesale Jeweler, SIMS would be home the Life Building, RUBY or OSWALD . He stated that SIDNEY National Bankers he would have him contact the FBI Texas; following day and that Dallas, Office, Dallas, Texas . TONY ZOPPI, KAHN continued on to say that although he knew Columnist, Mr . News of no association between SIDNEY SIMS and RUBY, he personally Dallas Morning News, has been acquainted with JACK RUBY for approximately nine a as, Texas. years . He stated that he could not recall the exact circumstances surrounding the meeting of RUBY ; however, he could recall that he was introduced to RUBY by an individual known to him as JOE JOHNSON, a local musician . KAHN stated that he was attempting to work his way up in the musical business and for this reason had become quite friendly with several of the night club owners around Dallas . He was aware that JACK RUBY was the owner of the Carousel and the Vegas Club and in connection with this felt that RUBY would be an excellent contact for musical business . Mr . KAHN stated that "one thing lead to another" and finally sometime around 1,56 he began working in the band that was employed at the Vegas Club . He went on to say that his employment at RUBY's club lasted approximately three months and was terminated around 1956 when KAHN decided to travel the country. KAHN advised that he could not recall any specific incidents that took place during his employment with RUBY and stated that it was just another musical job. He stated that RUBY at one time had written an article in the "Dallas After Dark" column of the "Dallas Morning News" concerning KAHN and what a good musician he was. After the article had appeared RUBY made it a point to advise KAHN t,at the article cost him 1216/63 ar Dallas, Texa s Fil" # DL 44-1639 ALTO :" E . BRAMBLETT, and by Sp.ct"I Aq"nr" x aucrnlr. p nG, N _ gi - Dm.diere .d 12/7/63 ,'~..~w:.r, a .r n . ..,. ... .. .. n. a, ."m...e ... .w. .. .... COMMISSION EXHIBIT NO. 1453-Continued COMMISSION EXHIBIT NO . 1454.