Third Session - Thirty-Fifth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba STANDING COMMITTEE on LAW AMENDMENTS 39-40 Elizabeth II Chairperson Mrs. Louise Dacquay Constituency of Seine River VOL. XLI No.1· 7 p.m., THURSDAY, MARCH 5,1992 MG-8048 ISSN 0713·9586 Printed by the Office of the Queens Printer. Province of Manitoba MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Fifth Legislature Members, Constituencies and Political Affiliation NAME CONSTITUENCY PARTY. ALCOCK, Reg Osborne Liberal ASHTON, Steve Thompson NDP BARRETT, Becky Wellington NDP CARSTAIRS, Sharon River Heights Liberal CERILLI, Marianne Radisson NDP CHEEMA, Guizar The Maples Liberal CHOMIAK, Dave Kildonan NDP CONNERY, Edward Portage Ia Prairie PC CUMMINGS, Glen, Hon. Ste. Rose PC DACQUAY, Louise Seine River PC DERKACH, Leonard, Hon. Roblin-Russell PC DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk NDP DOER, Gary Concordia NDP DOWNEY, James, Hon. Arthur-Virden PC DRIEDGER, Albert, Hon. Steinbach PC DUCHARME, Gerry, Hon. Riel PC EDWARDS, Paul St. James Liberal ENNS, Harry, Hon. Lakeside PC ERNST, Jim, Hon. Charleswood PC EVANS,Ciif Interlake NDP EVANS, Leonard S. Brandon East NDP FILMON, Gary, Hon. Tuxedo PC FINDLAY, Glen, Hon. Springfield PC FRIESEN, Jean Wolseley NDP GAUDRY, Neil St. Boniface Liberal GILLESHAMMER, Harold, Hon. Minnedosa PC HARPER, Elijah Rupertsland NDP HELWER, EdwardR. Gimli PC HICKES, George Point Douglas NDP LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Liberal LATHLIN, Oscar The Pas NDP LAURENDEAU, Marcel St. Norbert PC MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MANNESS, Clayton, Hon. Morris PC MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows NDP McALPINE, Gerry Sturgeon Creek PC McCRAE, James, Hon. Brandon West PC MciNTOSH, Linda, Hon. Assiniboia PC MITCHELSON, Bonnie, Hon. River East PC NEUFELD, Harold Rossmere PC ORCHARD, Donald, Hon. Pembina PC PENNER, Jack Emerson PC PLOHMAN, John Dauphin NDP PRAZNIK, Darren, Hon. Lac du Bonnet PC REID, Daryl Transcona NDP REIMER, Jack Niakwa PC RENDER, Shirley St. Vital PC ROCAN, Denis, Hon. Gladstone PC ROSE, Bob Turtle Mountain PC SANTOS, Conrad Broadway NDP STEFANSON, Eric, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC STORIE, Jerry Flin Flon NDP SVEINSON, Ben La Verendrye PC VODREY, Rosemary, Hon. Fort Garry PC WASYLYCIA-LEIS, Judy St. Johns NDP WOWCHUK, Rosann Swan River NDP 1 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON LAW AMENDMENTS Thursday, March 5,1992 TIME-7p.m. Bender, M.A. - Private Citizen LOCATION-Winnipeg, Manitoba Bloomfield, Wendy - Private Citizen CHAIRPERSON-Mrs. Louise Dacquay (Seine Brazzell, E.M. - Private Citizen River) Brooks, Lesia - Private Citizen ATTENDANCE - 11 -QUORUM - 6 Bruyere, Linda - Private Citizen Members of the Committee present: Buza, Marianne - Private Citizen Hon. Messrs. Enns, McCrae, Hon. Mrs. Mitchelson Cameron, Beverly - Private Citizen Ms. Barrett, Mrs. Carstairs, Mr. Chomiak, Mrs. Cameron, Tina - Private Citizen Dacquay, Messrs. Lamoureux, McAlpine, Campbell, Fay - Private Citizen Reimer, Sveinson Challinor, Lisa - Private Citizen APPEARING: Chik, Cecilia - Private Citizen Judy Wasylycia-Leis, St. Johns Clarke, Heather - Private Citizen WITNESSES: Clayton, Jan - Private Citizen Jean Altemayer, Choices Cremers, Jacky - Private Citizen Jenny Robinson, Manitoba Action Committee on the Status of Women Cremers, Rita - Private Citizen Kathleen Beatson, The Federal P .C. Women's Cuming, Donna C. • Private Citizen Caucus of Winnipeg and Districts Fawcett, Diana - Private Citizen Margaret Murray, Private Citizen Findlay, JoAnne - Private Citizen Brenda Leipsic, Private Citizen Aaws, Patricia - Private Citizen Marilyn Gault, Chairperson,Manitoba Advisory Fontaine, Tracy - Private Citizen Council on the Status of Women Fraser, Susan - Private Citizen Roz Krahn, Private Citizen Friesen, Bernice - Private Citizen Grace lvey, Private Citizen Friesen, Valerie - Private Citizen Barbara Thompson, Private Citizen Gallant, Maria - Private Citizen Cathy Doyle, Private Citizen Gibson, Jan - Private Citizen Monika Feist, The ProvincialCouncil of Women of Manitoba Ginter, Valerie - Private Citizen Hilde Schurhoff, Immigrant Women's Gray, Jean - Private Citizen Association of Manitoba Holder, Rachael - Private Citizen Written Submissions Presented But Not Read Holl, Darlene - Private Citizen Albuquerque, Cheryl - Private Citizen Hunt, Gail - Private Citizen Anderson, Jean - Private Citizen Issues Committee - Board of North End Archambault, Liz - Private Citizen Women's Centre Barnsley, Sue - Private Citizen Jackson, Betty - Private Citizen 2 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 1992 Jesmer, Mary Ann - Private Citizen Taylor, Lorraine- Private Citizen Johns, Gloria - Private Citizen Terendale, Jean - Private Citizen Kilborn, Laura - Private Citizen Thomasson, Shirley - Private Citizen Kiristias, Nellie - Private Citizen Turner, Lorraine - Private Citizen L'Heureux, Laurette- Private Citizen Vivier, Carmel - Private Citizen Landa, R.M. - Private Citizen Zimmerman, Carolyn - Private Citizen Lavallee, Roland - Private Citizen Zubren, Marion - Private Citizen LeClaire, Susan - Private Citizen Allen, Laurie - Private Citizen Legault-Desmier, Suzanne - Private Citizen Auriti, Dina - Private Citizen MacJones, Beryle - Private Citizen Betts, Sharena - Private Citizen Marchuk, Laurie - Private Citizen Blennerhassett, Hazel - Executive Director, Women's Post Treatment Center Inc. Marion, Donna - Private Citizen Bublick, Renate - Private Citizen Matsukubo, Susan - Private Citizen Cumew, Betty- Private Citizen Meilleur, Gisele - Private Citizen Edwards, Arlene - Private Citizen Members of - Aboriginal Women's Unity Coalition Gagne-Ouellette, Murielle - Directrice generale Pluri-elles (Manitoba) Inc. Members of - lkwewakJusti ce Society Hatton, Glenda - Private Citizen Members of - Original Women's Network, Inc. Hatton, Shannon - Private Citizen Mitchell, Shelley- Private Citizen Hodgson, Dianne - Private Citizen Moar, Yvonne- Private Citizen Issues Committee - Board of North End Moser, Paulette- Private Citizen Women's Centre Motheral,Violet M. - Private Citizen Jones, M.F. - Private Citizen Nash, Lorna - Private Citizen Kenny, Marilyn - Private Citizen Nishimura, Maggie- Private Citizen Langevin, Linda - Private Citizen Paterson, Cecille - Private Citizen Lee-Matthys, Francine - Private Citizen Reilly, Louise - Private Citizen MacKenzie, J.A.M. - Private Citizen Rhodenyir, Cindy - Private Citizen Marion, Donna - Private Citizen Sawicki, Leo - Private Citizen Mathes, Gloria - Private Citizen Shanks, Rosemary - Private Citizen Noseworthy, Val - Private Citizen Shore, Beth - Private Citizen Ojah, lnranny - Private Citizen Stalker, Dr. Jacqueline - Director, Canadian Ojah, Korstin - Private Citizen Congress for Learning Opportunities for Women Ojah, Pat - Private Citizen Staff of - Women's Employment Counselling Paragas, Elsa - Private Citizen Services & Immigrant Women's Employment Parker, Gwen - Executive Secretary, Manitoba Counselling Services Women's Institute Stoodley,Shirl ey - Private Citizen Ricketts, Eileen - Private Citizen Tao, Kai - Private Citizen Riffell, Sharri - Private Citizen Taylor, Geri - Private Citizen Seunarine, I - Private Citizen March 5, 1992 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3 Spinks, Sharon - Fort Garry Women's also understand, my feeling is that Bills 7, 8 and 46 Resource Centre might not take very long to dispose of. If we could deal with those bills up-front and then hear the Suaha, Jackie - Private Citizen presentations, I do not know. It would depend of Sullivan, Patti - Executive Director, Klinic course on my honourable colleagues, but I do not Community Health Centre know how long their questioning will take but I do Steiman, Laura - The Elizabeth Fry Society of not expect it to be very long. If there would be Manitoba agreement to deal with Bills 7, 8 and 46 clause by clause and then to proceed to Bill 5, I would Wood, Kathleen appreciate that accommodation on the part of MATTERS UNDER DISCUSSION: honourable members and others. Bill 5-The Manitoba Advisory Council on the Mr. Dave Chomlak (KIIdonan): I do not think that Status of Women Amendment Act we have a problem with accommodating the Bill 7-The Real Property Amendment and minister. My only concern is that there are a fair Consequential Amendments Act amount of people from the public here, and I wonder if there are people who have some time constraints Bill �The Garnishment Amendment Act as well who might want to make a presentation Bill 4�The Jury Amendment Act earlier who might be required to be somewhere else. *** We might want to accommodate them perhaps, in order to then allow the minister to be Clerk of Committees (Ms. Patricia accommodated. Chaychuk-Fitzpatrlck) : Order, please. Will the * (1 905) Standing Committee on Law Amendments please come to order. The committee must proceed to Mrs. Sharon Carstalrs (Leader of the Second elect a Chairperson. Are there any nominations for Opposition): I understand from the Liberal Party's the position of Chairperson? perspective, it is fine to proceed with these bills. We do not have any amendments. If the New Mr. Gerry McAlpine (Sturgeon Creek): I nominate Mrs. Dacquay of Seine River. Democratic Party does have amendments, however, then I would think we would do them in MadamClerk: Mrs. Dacquayhas been nominated. order of number. If they have no amendments to Are there any further nominations? If not, Mrs. the bills that are standing in the name of the Attorney Dacquay, you have been elected Chairperson. General, then I would suggest that we could pass Please come take the Chair. them in a matter of 10 minutes. Madam Chairperson: Order, please.