Second Session – Forty-First Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Private Bills Chairperson Mr. Jeff Wharton Constituency of Gimli Vol. LXX No. 3 - 6 p.m., Thursday, May 18, 2017 ISSN 0713-9489 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-First Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLUM, James Fort Garry-Riverview NDP ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley NDP BINDLE, Kelly Thompson PC CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy, Hon. River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC CURRY, Nic Kildonan PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Charleswood PC EICHLER, Ralph, Hon. Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FIELDING, Scott, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC FLETCHER, Steven, Hon. Assiniboia PC FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP FRIESEN, Cameron, Hon. Morden-Winkler PC GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GRAYDON, Clifford Emerson PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek Interlake PC JOHNSTON, Scott St. James PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP KLASSEN, Judy Kewatinook Lib. LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan Selkirk PC LAMOUREUX, Cindy Burrows Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Flor Logan NDP MARCELINO, Ted Tyndall Park NDP MARTIN, Shannon Morris PC MAYER, Colleen St. Vital PC MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew, Hon. Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice Seine River PC NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine, Hon. Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Arthur-Virden PC REYES, Jon St. Norbert PC SARAN, Mohinder The Maples Ind. SCHULER, Ron, Hon. St. Paul PC SELINGER, Greg St. Boniface NDP SMITH, Andrew Southdale PC SMOOK, Dennis La Verendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon. Tuxedo PC SWAN, Andrew Minto NDP TEITSMA, James Radisson PC WHARTON, Jeff Gimli PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian, Hon. Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC YAKIMOSKI, Blair Transcona PC Vacant Point Douglas 33 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE BILLS Thursday, May 18, 2017 TIME – 6 p.m. Mr. Bob Lagassé (Dawson Trail): I'd like to nominate Mr. Michaleski. LOCATION – Winnipeg, Manitoba Mr. Chairperson: Mr. Lagassé–Mr. Michaleski has CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Jeff Wharton (Gimli) been nominated. VICE-CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Brad Michaleski Are there any nominations? (Dauphin) Hearing–are there any other nominations? ATTENDANCE – 10 QUORUM – 6 Hearing no, Mr. Michaleski is elected Vice-Chair. Members of the Committee present: This meeting has been called–consider the Hon. Mr. Pedersen following bill: Bill 215, The Civil Service Amendment Act. Messrs. Curry, Kinew, Lagassé, Michaleski, Reyes, Selinger, Swan, Wharton, Wowchuk Would like to inform all in attendance of the provisions in our rules regarding the hours of PUBLIC PRESENTERS: adjournment of the standing committee meeting. To Mr. Matthew Lumsden, private citizen be considered, a bill must not sit past midnight to Mr. Cameron Buchanan, private citizen hear public presentations or to consider clause by Mr. Kelvin Shepherd, Canadian Forces Liaison clause of the bill except by unanimous consent of the Council committee. Mr. Sebastian Snidal, private citizen We have a small number of presenters registered Mr. Jonathan Avey, private citizen to speak tonight, as noted on the list of presenters MATTERS UNDER CONSIDERATION: before you. Bill 215–The Civil Service Amendment Act Before we proceed with the presentations, we do (Employment Preference for Reservists with have a number of other items and points of Active Service) information to consider. First of all, if there are anyone else in the audience who would like to make * * * a presentation this evening, please register with the Clerk Assistant (Ms. Monique Grenier): Good staff at the entrance of the room. Also, for the evening. Will the Standing Committee on Private information of all presenters, while written versions Bills please come to order. of presentations are not required, if you are going to accompany your presentation with written material, Before the committee can proceed with the we ask that you provide 20 copies. If you need help business before it, it must elect a new Chairperson. with photocopying, please speak with our staff. Are there any nominations? As well, in accordance with the rules, a time limit of 10 minutes has been allotted for Hon. Blaine Pedersen (Minister of presentations with another five minutes allowed Infrastructure): I nominate Mr. Wharton, Gimli. for questions from the committee members. If a Clerk Assistant: Mr. Wharton has been nominated. presenter is not in attendance when their name is Are there any other nominations? called, they will be dropped to the bottom of the list. If a presenter is not in attendance, then their name Hearing no other nominations, Mr. Wharton, will be called a second time, they will be moved will you please take the Chair? from the present list. Mr. Chairperson: Our next item of business is the Prior to proceeding with the presentation, I election of a Vice-Chairperson. would like to advise members of the public regarding Are there any nominations? the process of the speaking in the committee. The 34 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 18, 2017 proceedings of our meetings are recorded in order to members bring back to the military; and just a few provide verbatim transcript. Each time someone final words. wishes to speak, whether it be to an MLA or to a So, to begin, with the benefits of preferential presenter, it first have–to say their first name. This is hiring of reserve veterans: What makes a reserve a signal for the Hansard recorder to turn the mics on veteran a good employee? To be a reserve veteran a and off. member must, through their training and per- Thank you for your patience, we will now formance, have demonstrated personal discipline, proceed with public presentations. time management, attention to detail, focus, mental and physical strength, motivation and respect for the Bill 215–The Civil Service Amendment Act chain of command. They're taught and exposed to a (Employment Preference for Reservists wealth of concepts, such as ethics, citizenship, with Active Service) teamwork, sacrifice, accountability and personal Mr. Chairperson: I'd like to call Matthew Lumsden. integrity, and, of course, I forgot to mention multitasking. By virtue of being a reservist, your Mr. Lumsden, do you have any written material whole life is pretty much a multitasking exercise. for distribution to the committee? The most important skill, however, and what I Mr. Matthew Lumsden (Private Citizen): Yes, Sir. would like to highlight to the committee today, is I do. Yes, I do have material. that these people bring leadership. As everyone here Mr. Chairperson: Okay, just provide it to the staff is aware, the need for high-quality leadership in there, please. Thank you. public service can never be overstated. From the first training experiences a reserve veteran receives in the And go ahead with your presentation. Please military, the member is encouraged to develop and proceed. practise their leadership abilities. Mr. Lumsden: Good evening, honourable members. To be promoted even to the most junior Thank you for having me here as a private citizen to leadership ranks, a reserve soldier must pass what I talk about this important bill. believe to be one of the world's best leadership programs. Reserve leadership candidates must My name is warrant officer, retired, Matt demonstrate an understanding of the principles of Lumsden. By way of background, it was my leadership, instruction and administration; they must privilege to serve with the Canadian Forces Army be able to demonstrate their ability to teach, coach, Reserve for approximately 22 years with the Queen's mentor, plan and organize and lead in the field under Own Cameron Highlanders of Canada. My last stressful conditions. They are highly capable, position was as company sergeant major for experienced and proven people. Headquarters Company, with the Winnipeg Infantry Tactical Group, out of Minto Armoury. I am also Examples of reserve veterans and former reserve honoured to serve the community as a Winnipeg members that may not necessarily qualify as veterans police officer with approximately 16 years of under this consideration–in this discussion that I service. would like to talk about who have contributed to their careers are as follows–and I'll just give a few In addition to a few hundred exercises and examples. I couldn't possibly list all the examples courses that I attended over the years, I was fortunate here, so I'll just touch on a few with my own career. to participate in some operations and overseas deployments with the forces–one of those being I'd like to highlight an example of reserve operation affirmative alert, in Norway–1992; a veteran who utilized his leadership experience to couple of Canada Remembers tours over the years; become a divisional manager and inspector with the 1995, victory, in Europe; and the 60th anniversary of Winnipeg police. He's been in–tasked with several the Dieppe Raid; and I was very, very fortunate to high profile tasks, such as the Queen's visit, be able to participate in Operation Athena, with command of the crowd management unit, and the Task Force 01-08, Afghanistan–2008, with NATO. Canada Summer Games file–in addition to being a divisional inspector. Now my goal this evening is to describe three things: the benefits of preferential hiring of reserve Another example is a former reservist who used veterans; the second thing is the benefits that those his leadership experience to completely revolutionize May 18, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 35 our entire use-of-force program from the ground up, correction, the reservist who, by virtue of being a making ours one of the best programs in Canada.