00287 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 SOUTHEAST ALASKA FEDERAL SUBSISTENCE 9 REGIONAL COUNCIL MEETING 10 11 VOLUME III 12 13 Sitka, Alaska 14 March 19, 2004 15 8:00 o'clock a.m. 16 17 18 COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT: 19 20 John Littlefield, Chairman 21 Bertrand Adams 22 Michael Bangs 23 Michael Douville 24 Dolly Garza 25 Donald Hernandez 26 Eric Jordan 27 Harvey Kitka 28 Floyd Kookesh 29 Patricia Phillips 30 Mary Rudolph 31 Michael Sofoulis 32 Richard Stokes 33 34 Herman Kitka, Member Emeritus 35 36 Regional Coordinator, Robert Schroeder 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 RECORDED AND TRANSCRIBED BY: 45 46 COMPUTER MATRIX COURT REPORTERS, LLC 47 3522 West 27th Avenue 48 Anchorage, Alaska 99517 49 907-243-0668 50 [email protected] 00288 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 3 (Sitka, Alaska - 3/19/2004) 4 5 (On record) 6 7 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: Okay. We're back 8 in session. The first item on the agenda is -- well, 9 first let me make an announcement. I believe there is a 10 fundraiser today for the Kaagwaantaan. Do you know if 11 that's correct at lunch time? 12 13 DR. SCHROEDER: Mr. Chairman, I believe 14 there's a fundraiser. We have to get final information 15 on where it is. 16 17 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: Okay. 18 19 DR. SCHROEDER: So we will be finding 20 that out this morning. 21 22 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: So we will be 23 getting something on that a little later. But I believe 24 there's a lunch fundraiser. Okay. 25 26 When we recessed last night we were on 27 Wildlife Proposals Regional Council deliberations, 28 recommendations, and justification. And under 29 Considerations were Proposals WP04-03 through 15. What 30 I'd like to do here this morning is if you look at our 31 agenda we've still got a lot of stuff to handle. So I 32 would suggest that the Council try to hopefully keep 33 their comments to five minutes unless you really need to 34 have something to say. Five minutes and we'll try to 35 talk once -- everybody to have one chance to talk and 36 then we can go back instead of having dialogue between 37 two people. And we really need to move through these. 38 39 We've got a full agenda. I would not 40 have believed it when I looked at the agenda a month ago, 41 but anyway that's we are. We are at Council's wishes on 42 those proposals. 43 44 Dr. Schroeder has an ethics disclosure to 45 do. 46 47 DR. SCHROEDER: Mr. Chairman, Ms. 48 Phillips wasn't able to be with us in the beginning part 49 of our meeting and because of that she wasn't able to do 50 an ethics disclosure at that time. Before we act on this 00289 1 proposal I'd like to do that with Ms. Phillips and she'll 2 find the notes that she had on the ethics disclosure -- 3 we can do that in minute, Patty, unless you have it. 4 Let's take that up in a..... 5 6 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: I'll let her do 7 it..... 8 9 DR. SCHROEDER: Okay. 10 11 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: .....get it done. 12 13 (Pause) 14 15 CHAIRMAN LITTLE: Okay. We will read 16 that in to the record here in a few minutes, but right 17 now what I'd like to do is get the Council's wishes on 18 how they would like to proceed. We have all these 19 proposals before us. Of course the Staff proposal 20 recommended action only on one item and no action on 21 others. That's not necessarily what you have to do as 22 the Council. That's just their recommendation. So what 23 I'd like to do is if you would tell me how you would like 24 to proceed. Mr. Douville. 25 26 MR. DOUVILLE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 27 I would like to make a motion that we take no action on 28 Proposals 3 through 14. 29 30 MR. KOOKESH: Isn't it suppose to be a 31 positive. 32 33 CHAIRMAN LITTLE: Is there a page that 34 this is referenced to in our book. 35 36 MR. KOOKESH: Isn't it suppose to be a 37 positive action? 38 39 DR. GARZA: No, you can do a no action 40 motion. 41 42 MR. DOUVILLE: Huh? 43 44 DR. GARZA: You can do a no action 45 motion. 46 47 MR. KOOKESH: You can take a no action 48 motion. 49 50 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: You can do a no 00290 1 action motion. I guess there isn't really one. Is 2 there. 3 DR. GARZA: Page 2 and 3. 4 5 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: Page 2 and 3. 6 7 DR. GARZA: I'll second the motion. 8 9 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: Okay. It's been 10 moved and seconded to take no action on Proposals 3 11 through 14. That's the motion before you. Discussion. 12 Mr. Douville. 13 14 You're the maker, you can have the first 15 words. You don't have to. 16 17 MR. DOUVILLE: Go ahead. 18 19 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: Okay. Other 20 Council comments on the motion before you. 21 22 (No comments) 23 24 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: I've been informed 25 we're looking at Page 89 in your book. 26 27 DR. GARZA: Mr. Chairman. 28 29 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: Go ahead. 30 31 DR. GARZA: It's my intent as the 32 seconder of the motion by taking no action on Proposals 3 33 through 14 that we are allowing the subcommittee on the 34 Prince of Wales U-2 deer to work over the next year and 35 perhaps come up with a solution that is acceptable to 36 island and off island residents, and taking any further 37 action on these proposals at this time may just make 38 those discussions more difficult. 39 40 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: Okay. This is a 41 little bit different for the rationale because we're just 42 taking no action on these, but I think it is important to 43 note for the records that there are no conservation 44 concerns as listed in the justification. 45 46 Other Council. 47 48 (No comments) 49 50 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: Are you ready for 00291 1 the question on the motion. 2 3 Mr. Jordan. 4 5 MR. JORDAN: Mr. Chair, I thought -- and 6 I want to put it on the record that's why I moved to 7 speak here. I thought some of the testimony from Prince 8 of Wales was especially compelling. Mr. Morris and Mr. 9 Peterson particularly in regards to perhaps moving the 10 season a little later and the fact of hanging the deer 11 later, et cetera, without going over all the details, I 12 found that testimony compelling. The reason I'm going to 13 support this motion is we have formed a subcommittee to 14 deal with those. 15 16 On the balance of the issues I believe 17 that what I'm heading towards is supporting this and then 18 supporting 15 to rollover the existing regulations. 19 20 On the comment about conservation 21 concerns. While I don't feel there are immediate 22 conservation concerns in terms of enough deer. I feel 23 there are conservation concerns that have been brought 24 out and due to the habitat change some localized 25 depletion issues that will be a factor in me supporting 26 No. 15 and also a factor in me supporting the formation 27 of the subcommittee. 28 29 So to me there are conservation concerns. 30 The testimony from Mr. Morris and Mr. Peterson was 31 compelling, but in balance I think we should leave it for 32 the subcommittee to come back with a proposal for us and 33 leave the status quo in effect until that time. 34 35 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 36 37 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: Thank you. Other 38 Council. 39 40 (No comments) 41 42 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: At this time we 43 would like to have Ms. Phillips give her ethics 44 disclosure before there is a vote. Is there any 45 objection to that. 46 47 (Council Shakes Head Negatively) 48 49 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: We'll do so. 50 00292 1 MS. PHILLIPS: Thank you, Chairman 2 Littlefield. 3 4 My name is Patricia Phillips. I am a 5 rural resident from Pelican, Alaska. I hunt subsistence 6 resources on the Federal lands under consideration at 7 this meeting. Thank you. 8 9 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: Thank you, Ms. 10 Phillips. As the designated Federal Official I consider 11 that Member Phillips does not have any significant 12 financial interests directly related to the matters 13 before this Council at this meeting and may fully 14 participate in our proceedings. 15 16 Any other Council discussion on the 17 motion before you. 18 19 Dr. Garza. 20 21 DR. GARZA: Just to clarify, Mr. 22 Chairman. It's the intent of the motion to follow the 23 direction of the recommendation on Page 18 to support 24 Proposal 15 and take no action on these proposals. 25 That's Page 89, excuse me. 26 27 CHAIRMAN LITTLEFIELD: Other Council. 28 Mr. Douville. 29 30 MR. DOUVILLE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 31 I agree with what Dolly just said and I would like to 32 make a couple points here.