Vol. 802 Monday No. 32 2 March 2020 PARLIAMENTARYDEBATES (HANSARD) HOUSE OF LORDS OFFICIAL REPORT ORDEROFBUSINESS Questions Artistic Content: Copyright Protection ..........................................................................387 Organ Trafficking: Sanctions..........................................................................................389 Holyhead ........................................................................................................................392 Universal Credit .............................................................................................................395 European Arrest Warrant, Europol and Eurojust Private Notice Question ..................................................................................................397 Fisheries Bill [HL] Committee (1st Day)......................................................................................................401 Ministerial Code: Breaches Statement........................................................................................................................430 Airport Expansion Statement........................................................................................................................434 Coronavirus: British Citizens Imprisoned Abroad Statement........................................................................................................................438 UK-US Trade Deal Negotiating Objectives Statement........................................................................................................................441 Fisheries Bill [HL] Committee(1st Day) (Continued) ..................................................................................452 Mental Health: Unregulated Treatment Question for Short Debate...............................................................................................468 Fisheries Bill [HL] Committee (1st Day) (Continued) .................................................................................482 Grand Committee Pension Schemes Bill [HL] Committee (3rd Day)..............................................................................................GC 191 Lords wishing to be supplied with these Daily Reports should give notice to this effect to the Printed Paper Office. 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Artists will continue to want to Monday 2 March 2020 transfer backwards and forwards for their work. 2.30 pm The Earl of Clancarty (CB): My Lords, with respect Prayers—read by the Lord Bishop of Salisbury. to the Question, will culture, media and arts services be included in future trade deals with the US, with Oaths and Affirmations which we already have a close cultural relationship in the performing arts? 2.36 pm Baroness Morgan of Drefelin took the oath, and signed Lord Callanan: As the noble Earl will be aware, an undertaking to abide by the Code of Conduct. most trade deals contain a number of paragraphs on cultural exchanges and creative industries. I am sure Artistic Content: Copyright Protection that that will be the case with the EU agreement and Question with the US agreement. 2.37 pm Asked by Lord Clement-Jones Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Con): My Lords, with the onward march of the digital revolution and our pre- To ask Her Majesty’s Government what steps eminence in artistic areas such as music and arts, they are taking to ensure that United Kingdom copyright is becoming ever more important. Can the creators of artistic content have the same level of Minister give us an assurance that intellectual property copyright protection as those working in the European has a high priority in policy-making for this Government? Union. However we attack that in any particular trade deal, TheParliamentaryUnder-Secretaryof State,Department the overall point is to protect our artistic success and forBusiness,EnergyandIndustrialStrategy(LordCallanan) endeavour everywhere. (Con): My Lords, UK copyright works, such as books, films and music, will continue to be protected in both Lord Callanan: Of course, my noble friend makes a the EU and the UK because of the UK’s participation very important point. As I said earlier, we have one of in the international treaties on copyright. the strongest copyright protection frameworks in the Lord Clement-Jones (LD): My Lords, in contrast to world. Many of these are subject to international the Government’s present intention not to implement agreements, such as the TRIPS agreement. We will the copyright directive, the Culture Minister, Nigel continue to engage in international fora and make sure Adams, said in January: that artists and creators have protection for their works. “It is imperative that we do everything possible to protect our brilliant creators”.—[Official Report, Commons, 21/1/20; col. 56WH.] Lord Fox (LD): My Lords, a number of different Does the Minister recognise that creative workers are ministries have commented on this, as my noble friend crucial to the success of the UK’s creative industries; pointed out, including BEIS and DCMS. Am I to that many rely on payments related to copyright to conclude from the fact that the noble Lord, Lord Callanan, sustain their careers; and that the new rights in the is speaking to this that BEIS will be accountable for copyright directive, for which they fought hard to be this and will be the ministry that makes sure that included, are absolutely essential? These include people—including,Ishouldsay,peopleinmyfamily—who transparency, contract adjustment and, of course, fair work in this industry get paid? If they do not, they remuneration. Should these not now be introduced in need to know who is accountable. UK law? Lord Callanan: As the noble Lord will be aware, the Lord Callanan: Yes, BEIS is responsible for intellectual UK has now left the EU and the transition period will property and copyright, but of course there is considerable end on 31 December. This means that the UK is not input from DCMS concerning the creative industries. required to implement the copyright directive, but the DCMS is taking forward a creative industries forum UK has one of the strongest copyright protection and various round tables with content providers and frameworks in the world. Many of these are subject to social media platforms, et cetera. So it lies across the international treaties, which we will continue to be two departments. members of. We will continue to value the creative sector; of course its work should be recognised. Lord Stevenson of Balmacara (Lab): Does the Minister Lord Watts (Lab): My Lords, the creative industries agree that unless Article 17 or an equivalent measure will face major problems when we finally leave Europe. is introduced, creative personnel in this country are Is the Minister working with the industry to do something going to be disadvantaged relative to how they would about visas, which are a particular problem for travelling have been had we stayed in the EU, and certainly in artists? comparison with their counterparts in the EU, which was the basis of the Question? Is this not a case of Lord Callanan: The visa system will be the subject cutting off your nose to spite your face? Why would of negotiation. The UK is about to implement a new we not want to make sure that those who are earning immigration system, but we will, of course, want to benefits from the cultural industries for this country 389 Artistic Content: Copyright Protection[LORDS] Organ Trafficking: Sanctions 390 [LORD STEVENSON OF BALMACARA] Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong which and for themselves are able to earn, and that their shows that over 7,000 doctors in China are involved in copyrights are not being ripped off by the tech giants, the systematic killing of prisoners through the horrific as is currently happening? enforced body harvesting trade in that country. Could he assure me that, notwithstanding what he has Lord Callanan: We will continue to advocate for