If you have issues viewing or accessing this file contact us at NCJRS.gov. HUD PROGRAMS TO COMBAT DRUG ABUSE IN PUBLIC HOUSING (/3133 HEARING BEFORE A SUBOOMMITTEE OF THE COM:MITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDREDTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION MARCH 21, 1988 T'l-! ... .l. , I' ., use of the Committee on Government Operations ..,. ;.? AUG 22 1988 . i .S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFIe!! WASHINGTON: 1988 e Superintendent of Documents, Congressional Sales Office lovernment Printing Office. Washington, DC 20402 COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS JACK BROOKS, Texas, Chairman JOHN CONYERS, JR., Michigan FRANK HORTON, New York CARDISS COLLINS, Illinois ROBERT S. WALKER, Pennsylvania GLENN ENGLISH, Oklahoma WILLIAM F. CLINGER, JR., Pennsylvania HENRY A. WAXMAN, California AL McCANDLESS, California TED WEISS, New York LARRY E. CRAIG, Idaho MIKE SYNAR, Oklahoma HOWARD C. NIELSON, Utah STEPHEN L. NEAL, North Carolina JOSEPH J. DIOGUARDI, New York DOUG BARNARD, JR., Georgia JIM LIGHTFOOT, Iowa BARNEY FRANK, Massachusetts BEAU BOULTER, Texas TOM LANTOS, California DONALD E. "BUZ" LUKENS, Ohio ROBER'r E. WISE, JR., West Virginia AMORY ROUGHTON, JR., New York MAJOR R. OWENS, New York J. DENNIS HASTERT, TIlinois EDOLPHUS TOWNS, New York JON L, KYL, Arizona JOHN M. SPRATT, JR., South Carolina JAMES M. INHOFE, Oklahoma JOE KOLTER, Pennsylvania CHRISTOPHER SHAYS, Connecticut BEN ERDREICH, Alabama GERALD D. KLECZKA, Wisconsin ALBERT G. BUSTAMANTE, Texas MATTHEW G. MARTINEZ, California THOMAS C. SAWYER, Ohio LOUISE M. SLAUGHTER, New York BILL GRANT, Florida NANCY PELOSI, California WILLIAM M. JONES, General Counsel DONALD W. UPSON, Minority Staff Director EMPLOYMENT AND HOUSING SUBCOMMITTEE TOM LANTOS, California, Chairman BILL GRANT, Florida JOSEPH J. DIOGUARDI, NEW YORK TED WEISS, New York JON L. KYL, Arizona NANCY PELOSI, California CHRISTOPHER SHA YS, Connecticut Ex OFFICIO JACK BROOKS, Texas FRANK HORTON, New York STUART E. WEISBERG, Staff Director and Counsel CELIA BODDINGTON, Professional Staff Member JUNE SAXTON, Clerk MATI'HEW BEHlt¥AI'j'N, l":[inorit~ p,rotessional Staff .,~:.'. i/' ', ... "\,,:>.. f (II) .;~ ';' f'i' : -,:~ \..:! • CONTENTS Page Hearing held on March 21, 1988 ................................................................................... 1 Statement of: Booth, Charles, executive director, Slater Center.............................................. 10 Dorsey, Michael, general counsel, Department of Housing and Urban Development.......................................................................................................... 30 Glaude, Steve, executive director, National Association of Neighborhoods.. 19 Harry, Elsie, local resident, White Plains, Ny................................................... 8 Henry, John P., chief, New York City Housing Authority Police Depart- ment........................................................................................................................ 64 Jackson, Ron, local resident, White Plains, Ny................................................. 7 Lantos, Hon. Tom, a Representative in Congress from the State of Cali­ fornia, and chairman, Employment and Housing Subcommittee: Open- ing statement ........................................................................................................ 1 Quint, Bruce, executive director, Oasis In&titute............................................... 23 Seegars, Mildred, Mothers Against Crack, New Rochelle................................ 21 Stutman, Robert M., special agent in charge, New York Field Division, Drug Enforcement Administration ................................................... ,............... 45 Tascione, Tony, director, White Plains Housing Authority............................. 96 Letters, statements, etc., submitted for the record by: Dorsey, Michael, general counsel, Department of Housing and Urban Development: Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 34-44 Submissions to Congressman DioGuardi's questions ................................. 68-73 Henry, John P., chief, New York City Housing Authority Police Depart- ment: Prepared statement .................................................................................. 77-94 Stutman, Robert M., special agent in charge, New York Field Division, Drug Enforcement Administration: Prepared statement ............................. 48-54 APPENDIX Material submitted for the hearing record................................................................. 101 (III) 113133 U.S. Department 01 Justice National Institute 01 Justice duced exactly as received from the This document has bee~ rep~o. o'nts of view or opinions stated person or organization onglnat'fT~t. p u:hors and do not necessarily e in this document are tho.s 0 e I~ 'es of the National Institute of represent the official posItion or po ICI Justice. , --:...w...d material has been permission to reproduce thiS C"I'''''''.P'''' granted by • Public Domaln . ---::---TS -House of Representatlves I. •• to the National Criminal Justice Reference Service (NCJRS) •. Further reproduction outside of the NCJRS system requires permis­ sion of the ~ owner. -- ----------~----- HUD PROGRAMS TO COMBAT DRUG ABUSE IN PUBLIC HOUSING MONDAY, MARCH 21,1988 HOUSE OF REPRESE1'1"TATIVES, EMPLOYME1'1"T A1'1"D HousmG SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE 01'1" GOVER1'1"ME1'1"T OPERATI01'1"S, White Plains, NY. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 1:15 p.m., at Thomas Slater Center, White Plains, NY, Hon. Tom Lantos (chair­ man of the subcommittee) presiding. Present: Representatives Tom Lantos and Joseph J. DioGuardi. Also present: Representative Benjamin A. Gilman. Staff present: Celia Boddington, professional staff member; and Matth~w Behrmann, minority professional staff, Committee on Government Operations. OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN LANTOS Mr. LA1'1"Tos. The hearing of the Subcommittee on Employment and Housing will please come to order. This is a full hearing room and we will need complete silence from the audience to conduct this hearing properly. I am Congressman Tom Lantos of California. I am chairman of the Subcommittee on Housing and Employment of the House Gov­ ernment Operations' Committee. I would first like to offer my thanks to my good friend and col­ league, Congressman Joseph DioGuardi, for welcoming us to White Plains. I want to acknowledge the presence of Congressman Benja­ min Gilman of the State of New York who is the ranking minority member of the Select Committee on Narcotics, and has probably done more than any individual in this country to fight the epidem­ ic of narcotics that is sweeping this Nation. This hearing of the Subcommittee on Employment and Housing in White Plains is being held at Congressman DioGuardi's request, and deals with a problem which has figured much in the media re­ cently, the problem of drug abuse. In particular, we will be examin­ ing the impact of drug abuse on public housing, and the effective­ ness of Federal programs available through the Department of Housing and Urban Development to combat the problem. Let me say at the outset that we have no illusions that the prob­ lem of the drug epidemic can be handled in anyone corner of this very complex dilemma. It is my view that we have to deal with five . aspects of the drug problem at the same time and with equal vigor: First, we have got to go to the source, to Colombia or Peru, or (1) '----------------------_._- 2 wherever the product is grown and the product is manufactured. So our first step in this tremendously important war that the American people are engaged in is to go to the source. Second, we have got to do a far better job of interdicting the flow of supplies into the United States. And I, for one, favor the use, to the full extent possible, of all of our resources, including the Navy and the Air Force, to interdict the supply of drugs into the United States. Third, we have got to see to it that the laws are fully implement­ ed, and that the full extent of the law is brought to bear on push­ ers of drugs. We have to do our utmost to rehabilitate those who have fallen into this nightmare habit and to see whether they can be brought back to civilized society. In the final analysis, and most importantly, we have got to educate our population, and principal­ ly our young people, that drugs are a nightmare, that they destroy lives and families and societies. No stone must be left unturned to bring about a drug-free society. Now, in dealing with a social problem, it is important to under­ stand that this is not a new phenomenon. As a matter of fact, in American society we went through another phase which began about 1880 and ran until about 1920, which was a period of heavy drug use. American society rose to the challenge and in the 1920's, to a very large extent, we succeeded in eliminating drugs as a major threat to the fabric of our society. In the last 15 years or so we have been going through the same cycle. It is probably fair to say there is no danger facing the survival of our free and open and democratic society which is more serious, more dangerous, more devastating than the threat of drugs. It is in this context that today we will be looking at how we are fighting drugs within public housing complexes. The trRgic effects of drug abuse are being felt throughout the country, and they have touched every aspect of life in the United States. We read about the highly ambitious, highly paid young men and women on Wall Street