2212 Before the COPYRIGHT OFFICE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS Washington, D.C. In the matter of: Docket No. Distribution of the 2001-8 CARP CD 98-99 1998 and 1999 Cable II Royalty Funds II Room LM-414 Library of Congress First and Independence Ave. S.E. Washington, D.C. 20540 Thursday, May 8, 2003 The above-entitled matter came on for hearing, pursuant to notice, at 9:00 a.m. BEFORE: THE HONORABLE CURTIS E. Von KANN Chairman THE HONORABLE JEFFREY S. GULIN Arbitrator THE HONORABLE MICHAEL D. YOUNG Arbitrator NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.corn 2213 APPEARANCES: On Behalf of the Proaram Suvvliers: GREGORY OLANIRAN, ESQ ROBERT L. ESKAY, ESQ SARAH K. JOHNSON, ESQ MICHAEL E. TUCCI, ESQ Stinson Morrison Hecker, LLP 1150 18th Street, N.W. Suite 800 Washington, D.C. 20036-3816 (202) 785 — 9100 Behalf of the Joint Snorts Claimants: Counsel for the Office of the Commissioner of Baseball ROBERT ALAN GARRETT, ESQ JAMES COOPER, ESQ MICHELE T. DUNLOP, ESQ RONALD A. SCHECHTER, ESQ JULE SIGALL, ESQ CHRISTOPHER WINTERS, ESQ MICHELE WOODS, ESQ Arnold R Porter 555 Twelfth Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20004-1206 THOMAS J. OSTERTAG Senior Vice President & General Counsel Office of the Commissioner of Baseball 245 Park Avenue New York, New York 10167 Counsel for the National Basketball Association, National Football League, and National Hockey League PHILIP R. HOCHBERG, ESQ P I PER RUDNI CKI ESQ Verner, Liipfert, Bernhard, McPherson 6 Hand 901 Fifteenth Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20005 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.corn 2214 On Behalf of the Joint S orts Claimants: (cont.) Counsel for tbe National Collegiate Athletic Association RITCHIE THOMAS, ESQ JUDITH JURIN SEMO, ESQ Squire, Sanders & Dempsey, LLP 1201 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20004 On Behalf of tbe Public Television Claimants: TIMOTHY C. HESTER, ESQ RONALD G. DOVE, ESQ RUSSELL JESSE, ESQ Covington &: Burling 1201 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C., 20044-7566 PAUL GRECO, ESQ Public Broadcasting Service 1320 Braddock Place Alexandria, Virginia 22314 On Behalf of the American Societ of Com osers Authors and Publishers: I FRED KOENI GSBERG I ESQ CAROL A. WITSCHEL, ESQ White &: Case 1155 Avenue of the Americas New York, New York 10036-2787 JAMES M. McGIVERN, ESQ SAMUEL MOSENKIS, ESQ ASCAP One Lincoln Plaza New York, New York 10023 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.corn 2215 On Behalf of BMI: MICHAEL J. REMINGTON, ESQ ADAM L. BREA, ESQ JEFFREY J LOPEZ I ESQ PHILIP J. MAUSE, ESQ Drinker, Biddle & Reath, LLP 1500 K Street, N.W. Suite 1100 Washington, D.C. 20005 MARVIN J. BERENSON, ESQ JOSEPH J. DiMONA, ESQ NARC D. OSTROW, ESQ Broadcast Music, Inc. 320 West 57th Street, New York, New York 10019 On Behalf of SESAC. Inc: JOHN C. BEITER, ESQ Loeb & Loeb 45 Music Square West Nashville, Tennessee 37203 PATRI CK COLLINS I ESQ SESAC, Inc. 55 Music Square East Nashville, Tennessee 37023 On Behalf of National Public Radio: NIKI KUCKES, ESQ Baker Botts LLP The Warner 1299 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20004-2400 NEAL A. JACKSON, ESQ GREGORY LEWIS National Public Radio 635 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20001 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.corn 2216 On Behalf of the Canadian Claimants Grou L. KENDALL SATTERFIELD, ESQ RICHARD M. VOLIN, ESQ Finkelstein, Thompson & Lougbran 1050 30th Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20007 (202) 337 — 8000 On Behalf of the National Association of Broadcasters: JOHN I. STEWART, ESQ PARUL DESAI, ESQ KAREN C. HERMAN, ESQ VALERIE HINKO, ESQ MICHAEL LAZARUS, ESQ Crowell & Moring 1001 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20004 (202) 624-2926 HENRY L. BAUÃQQJN, ESQ BART STRINGHAM, ESQ National Association of Broadcasters 1771 N Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20036 Counsel For Devotional Claimants On Behalf of the Devotional Claimants: FRANK KOSZORUS, ESQ Collier Shannon Rill & Scott 3050 K Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20037 JAMES CANNING, ESQ Our Own Performance Society 400 2nd Avenue, Ste., 22C New York, New York 20007 HAUL GALAZ, ESQ Independent Producers Group 2318 Sawgrass Ridge San Antonio, Texas 78258 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.corn 2217 On Behalf of Christian Broadcastincr Network. Inc.; and the Devotional Claimants: BARRY H. GOTTFRIED, ESQ CLIFFORD M. HARRINGTON, ESQ ShawPittman 2300 N Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20037 On Behalf of Coral Ridge Ministries Media, Inc.; Oral Roberts Evangelistic Association: GEORGE R. GRANGE, II, ESQ KENNETH E. LIU, ESQ Gammon & Grange, P.C. 8280 Greensboro Drive Seventh Floor McLean, Virginia 22102 On Behalf of KNLJ (New Life Evangelistic Center, Inc. ): JOHN HE MIDLEN, JR, ESQ Midlen Law Center 7618 Lynn Chevy Chase, Maryland 20815 On Behalf of the Home Shoo@incr Network, Inc.; Independent Producers Grouo: Home Shoooina en Esoanol and AST LLC: and Crvstal Cathedral Ministries. Inc.: ARNOLD P. LUTZKER, ESQ CARL H SETTLEMEYER I ESQ Lutzker & Lutzker 1000 Vermont Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20005 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.corn 2218 I-N-D-E-X WITNESS DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS Narcellus Alexander By Mr. Stewart 2221 2389 2496 By Mr. Dove 2263 By Mr. Lopez 2266 By Nr. Olaniran 2272 By Nr. Garrett 2401 2408 Nark Fratrick By Mr. Olaniran 2410 Laurence De Franco By Mr. Lazarus 2511 2567 By Mr. Olaniran 2527 By Nr. Garrett 2553 2563 By Lopez 2558 EXHIBIT NO. DESCRIPTIOM NARK RECD 13-X Broadcasting in Cable article 2321 2322 14-X CNN.corn article 2341 2344 15-X 1992 Calendar 2449 2450 16-X 1998 Calendar 2449 2450 17-X 1999 Calendar 2449 2450 JSC 12 Demo 2554 13-X Nilford Cable 2575 2577 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.corn 2219 P-R-0-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S (9:07 a.m.) JUDGE VON KMK: I assume we can proceed. MR. WINTERS: Well, I wouldn't expect him to be much later. JUDGE VON KANN: Is he the one who is going to do the cross? MR. WINTERS: Yes, he is. JUDGE VON KANN: Why don't we give him 10 five minutes? How long do you expect to be on direct? MR. STEWART: I think half an hour or less 12 perhaps. 13 JUDGE VON KMK: Oh, yes. Mr. Olaniran, have you reached a judgment as to DeFranco, whether 15 you would waive cross if they waived direct or 16 MR. OLANIRAN: Yes, Your Honor, I have 17 reached a decision. I would like to 18 JUDGE VON KANN: We are all waiting with 19 bated breath. 20 MR. OLANIRAN: I would like to have a 21 brief conversation with Mr. DeFranco. 22 JUDGE VON KMK: You would like to have NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.corn 2220 one? All right. Well, we'l work it in. JUDGE YOUNG: Should we ask you how you define sbrief s? (Laughter.) JUDGE VON KANN: Maybe we will define "brief." It might be better. MR. OLANIRAN: Hopefully not more than half an hour, just a couple of questions. JUDGE VON KANN: Did anybody find any 10 I guess we'e signed it, haven't we, the order. We asked you before if you had any problems with the 12 order, and you said no. And we signed it. So that' 13 that. Any other administerial, administrative, 15 whatever it is, fill in the gap kind of moments, issues, matters? No? 17 (No response.) 18 JUDGE VON KANN: Okay. Why don't we wait 19 a few minutes for Mr. Garrett? Hopefully he will make 20 it. I guess maybe if by 9:15 or so he hasn', I would 21 be inclined to starts And you can bring him up to 22 date. The direct, of course, has been submitted in NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.col 2221 advance. So this is hopefully great news. But let' give him a few minutes. Okay? (Whereupon, the foregoing matter went off the record at 9:10 a.m. and went back on the record at 9: 16 a.m.) MR. STEWART: Commercial calls as its next witness Marcellus Alexander. JUDGE VON KANN: Okay. The REPORTER: Raise your right hand, 10 please. Whereupon, 12 MARCELLUS ALEXANDER 13 was called as a witness by counsel for the National 14 Association of Broadcasters and, having been first 15 duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: 16 The REPORTER: Thank you. DIRECT EXAMINATION 18 BY MR. STEWART: 19 Q What is your name? 20 Marcellus Alexander. 21 Q Mr. Alexander, what is your current 22 position? NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.corn 2222 Executive vice president, television for the NAB.