106TH CONGRESS DOCUMENT 1st Session SENATE 106±3 "! IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON THE EVIDENTIARY RECORD PURSUANT TO S. RES. 16 VOLUME VII Transcript of October 5, 1998 presentations of David Schippers and Abbe Lowell, and debate on H. Res. 581, beginning an impeachment inquiry. Committee Print, Ser. No. 8, December 1998 Printed at the direction of Gary Sisco, Secretary of the Senate, pursuant to S. Res. 16, 106th Cong., 1st Sess. (1999) JANUARY 8, 1999.ÐOrdered to be printed 1 105th Congress Ser. No. 8 2d Session COMMITTEE PRINT "! AUTHORIZATION OF AN INQUIRY INTO WHETHER GROUNDS EXIST FOR THE IM- PEACHMENT OF WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES MEETING OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY HELD OCTOBER 5, 1998 PRESENTATION BY INQUIRY STAFF CONSIDERATION OF INQUIRY RESOLUTION ADOPTION OF INQUIRY PROCEDURES COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED FIFTH CONGRESS HENRY J. HYDE, Chairman DECEMBER 1998 U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 53±446 WASHINGTON : 1998 COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY HENRY J. HYDE, Illinois, Chairman F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR., JOHN CONYERS, JR., Michigan Wisconsin BARNEY FRANK, Massachusetts BILL McCOLLUM, Florida CHARLES E. SCHUMER, New York GEORGE W. GEKAS, Pennsylvania HOWARD L. BERMAN, California HOWARD COBLE, North Carolina RICK BOUCHER, Virginia LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas JERROLD NADLER, New York ELTON GALLEGLY, California ROBERT C. SCOTT, Virginia CHARLES T. CANADY, Florida MELVIN L. WATT, North Carolina BOB INGLIS, South Carolina ZOE LOFGREN, California BOB GOODLATTE, Virginia SHEILA JACKSON LEE, Texas STEPHEN E. BUYER, Indiana MAXINE WATERS, California ED BRYANT, Tennessee MARTIN T. MEEHAN, Massachusetts STEVE CHABOT, Ohio WILLIAM D. DELAHUNT, Massachusetts BOB BARR, Georgia ROBERT WEXLER, Florida WILLIAM L. JENKINS, Tennessee STEVEN R. ROTHMAN, New Jersey ASA HUTCHINSON, Arkansas THOMAS M. BARRETT, Wisconsin EDWARD A. PEASE, Indiana CHRISTOPHER B. CANNON, Utah JAMES E. ROGAN, California LINDSEY O. GRAHAM, South Carolina MARY BONO, California (II) MAJORITY STAFF THOMAS E. MOONEY, SR., General Counsel-Chief of Staff JON W. DUDAS, Deputy General Counsel-Staff Director DIANA L. SCHACHT, Deputy Staff Director-Chief Counsel DANIEL M. FREEMAN, Parliamentarian-Counsel PAUL J. MCNULTY, Director of Communications-Chief Counsel JOSEPH H. GIBSON, Chief Counsel RICK FILKINS, Counsel SHAREE M. FREEMAN, Counsel PETER J. LEVINSON, Counsel JOHN F. MAUTZ, IV, Counsel WILLIAM E. MOSCHELLA, Counsel STEPHEN PINKOS, Counsel GEORGE M. FISHMAN, Chief Counsel DAVID P. SCHIPPERS, Chief Investigative MITCH GLAZIER, Chief Counsel Counsel JOHN H. LADD, Chief Counsel RAYMOND V. SMIETANKA, Chief Counsel SUSAN BOGART, Investigative Counsel LAURA ANN BAXTER, Counsel JOHN C. KOCORAS, Counsel DANIEL J. BRYANT, Counsel BERLE S. LITTMANN, Investigator CATHLEEN A. CLEAVER, Counsel CHARLES F. MARINO, Counsel VINCE GARLOCK, Counsel JEFFERY J. PAVLETIC, Investigative Counsel JAMES W. HARPER, Counsel THOMAS M. SCHIPPERS, Investigative Counsel SUSAN JENSEN±CONKLIN, Counsel ALBERT F. TRACY, Investigator DEBRA K. LAMAN, Counsel PETER J. WACKS, Investigator BLAINE S. MERRITT, Counsel DIANA L. WOZNICKI, Investigator NICOLE R. NASON, Counsel GLENN R. SCHMITT, Counsel JIM Y. WILON, Counsel MINORITY STAFF JULIAN EPSTEIN, Minority Chief Counsel-Staff Director PERRY H. APELBAUM, Minority General ABBE D. LOWELL, Minority Chief Investigative Counsel Counsel DAVID G. LACHMAN, Counsel SAMPAK P. GARG, Investigative Counsel CYNTHIA A. R. MARTIN, Counsel STEVEN F. REICH, Investigative Counsel STEPHANIE J. PETERS, Counsel DEBORAH L. RHODE, Investigative Counsel SAMARA T. RYDER, Counsel KEVIN M. SIMPSON, Investigative Counsel BRIAN P. WOOLFOLK, Counsel LIS W. WIEHL, Investigative Counsel (III) C O N T E N T S COMMITTEE PRINT Page October 5, 1998 ........................................................................................................ 1 Opening Statement by The Honorable Henry J. Hyde, a Representative in Congress from the State of Illinois, and Chairman, Committee on the Judi- ciary ....................................................................................................................... 2 Opening Statement by The Honorable John Conyers, Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of Michigan and Ranking Minority Member, Committee on the Judiciary ................................................................................ 4 Opening Statements by Committee Members ....................................................... 7 Presentation by David P. Schippers, Majority Chief Investigative Counsel ....... 55 Presentation by Abbe D. Lowell, Minority Chief Investigative Counsel ............. 82 H. Res.llª ............................................................................................................. 99 Amendment in the Nature of a Substitute to the Hyde Resolution Offered by Mr. Boucher, Mr. Nadler, Mr. Scott, Ms. Lofgren, and Ms. Waters ........... 100 Amendment to the Hyde Resolution Offered by Mr. Berman .............................. 144 House Committee on the Judiciary Impeachment Procedures ............................ 220 MATERIALS SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD Prepared statement of Charles E. Schumer, a Representative in Congress from the State of New York ................................................................................ 12 Letter from Kenneth Starr dated September 25, 1998 ......................................... 55 Prepared statement of David P. Schippers, Chief Investigative Counsel ........... 70 Prepared statement of Abbe D. Lowell, Minority Chief Investigative Counsel .. 92 Article from The Washington Post, ``The Impeachment Inquiry'' ........................ 108 Article from The New York Times, ``The Judiciary Vote'' .................................... 108 Letter to Hon. Newt Gingrich dated October 2, 1998 ........................................... 120 Statement of The Honorable Bob Barr, a Representative in Congress from the State of Georgia ............................................................................................. 164 Judicial Watch Interim Report on Crimes and Other Offenses Committed by President Bill Clinton Warranting His Impeachment and Removal from Elected Office ........................................................................................................ 164 (V) AUTHORIZATION OF AN INQUIRY INTO WHETHER GROUNDS EXIST FOR THE IMPEACHMENT OF WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES MEETING OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY HELD OCTOBER 5, 1998 PRESENTATION BY INQUIRY STAFF CONSIDERATION OF INQUIRY RESOLUTION ADOPTION OF INQUIRY PROCEDURES MONDAY, OCTOBER 5, 1998 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, Washington, DC. The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:30 a.m., in room 2141, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Henry J. Hyde (chair- man of the committee) presiding. Present: Representatives Henry J. Hyde, F. James Sensen- brenner, Jr., Bill McCollum, George W. Gekas, Howard Coble, Lamar S. Smith of Texas, Elton Gallegly, Charles T. Canady, Bob Inglis, Bob Goodlatte, Stephen E. Buyer, Ed Bryant of Tennessee, Steve Chabot, Bob Barr, William L. Jenkins, Asa Hutchinson, Ed- ward A. Pease, Christopher B. Cannon, James E. Rogan, Lindsey O. Graham, Mary Bono, John Conyers, Jr., Barney Frank, Charles E. Schumer, Howard L. Berman, Rick Boucher, Jerrold Nadler, Robert C. Scott, Melvin L. Watt, Zoe Lofgren, Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, Martin T. Meehan, William D. Delahunt, Robert Wexler, Steven R. Rothman, and Thomas M. Barrett. Majority Staff Present: Thomas E. Mooney, Sr., general counsel- chief of staff; Jon W. Dudas, deputy general counsel-staff director; Diana L. Schacht, deputy staff director-chief counsel; Daniel M. Freeman, parliamentarian-counsel; Joseph H. Gibson, chief coun- sel: Rick Filkins, counsel; Sharee M. Freeman, counsel; John F. Mautz, IV, counsel; William Moschella, counsel; Stephen Pinkos, counsel; Sheila F. Klein, executive assistant to general counsel- chief of staff; Annelie Weber, executive assistant to deputy general counsel-staff director; Samuel F. Stratman, press secretary; James B. Farr, financial clerk; Elizabeth Singleton, legislative correspond- (1) 2 ent; Sharon L. Hammersla, computer systems coordinator; Joseph McDonald, publications clerk; Shawn Friesen, staff assistant/clerk; Robert Jones, staff assistant; Michael Connolly, communications assistant; Michelle Morgan, press secretary; and Patricia Katyoka, research assistant. Subcommittee on the Constitution Staff Present: John H. Ladd, chief counsel; and Cathleen A. Cleaver, counsel. Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property Staff Present: Mitch Glazier, chief counsel; Blaine S. Merritt, counsel; and Vince Garlock, counsel. Subcommittee on Crime Staff Present: Paul J. McNulty, director of communications-chief counsel; Glenn R. Schmitt, counsel; Daniel J. Bryant, counsel; and Nicole R. Nason, counsel. Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims Staff Present: George M. Fishman, chief counsel; and Laura Ann Baxter, counsel. Majority Investigative Staff Present: David P. Schippers, chief in- vestigative counsel; Susan Bogart, investigative counsel; Thomas M. Schippers, investigative counsel; Jeffery Pavletic, investigative counsel; Charles F. Marino, counsel; John C. Kocoras, counsel; Diana L. Woznicki, investigator; Peter J. Wacks, investigator; Al- bert F. Tracy, investigator; Berle S. Littmann, investigator; Steve Lynch, professional staff member; Nancy Ruggero-Tracy,