Tuesday, 21 November 2017] 368 No 48 – 2017] FOURTH SESSION, FIFTH PARLIAMENT REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA ____________ MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS OF NATIONAL ASSEMBLY ____________ TUESDAY, 21 NOVEMBER 2017 1. The House met at 10:00. 2. House Chairperson Ms A T Didiza took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayer or meditation. 3. FIRST ORDER [10:01] Debate on 16 Days of Activism for No Violence Against Women and Children: Count me in: Together moving a non-violent South Africa forward. Debate concluded. BUSINESS SUSPENDED AT 11:30 AND RESUMED AT 14:05. 4. SECOND ORDER [14:06] Consideration of Report of Standing Committee on Finance on Proposed Fiscal Framework in terms of section 6 (5) of Money Bills Amendment Procedure and Related Matters Act (No 9 of 2009) (Announcement, Tablings and Committee Reports, 16 November 2017, p 5). Ms P S Kekana, as a member of the Committee, introduced the Report. There was no debate. The Chief Whip of the Majority Party moved: That the Report be adopted. MINUTES: NATIONAL ASSEMBLY NO 48 – 2017 369 [Tuesday, 21 November 2017 Declarations of vote made on behalf of the Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, National Freedom Party, Inkatha Freedom Party, Congress of the People and African National Congress. Division demanded. The House Divided. AYES - 179: Abrahams, B L; Adams, F; Adams, P E; Adams, R C; Bam- Mugwanya, V; Basson, J V; Bekwa, S D; Beukman, F; Bhengu, P; Bhengu, F; Bhengu, N R; Bilankulu, N K; Bogopane-Zulu, H I; Booi, M S; Boroto, M G; Carrim, Y I; Cele, M A; Chauke, H P; Chikunga, L S; Chohan, F I; Chueu, M P; Coleman, E M; Cronin, J P; Cwele, S C; Dambuza, N B; Davies, R H; Didiza, A T; Dirks, M A; Dlakude, D E; Dlamini-Dubazana, Z S; Dlodlo, A; Dlomo, B J; Dlulane, B N; Dube, J J; Dudley, C; Faku, Z C; Fubbs, J L; Galo, M P; Gamede, D D; Gcwabaza, N E; Gigaba, K M N; Gina, N; Gumede, D M; Jeffery, J H; Johnson, M; Kalako, M U; Kekana, P S; Kekana, H B; Kekana, C D; Kekana, M D; Kekana, E; Kenye, T E; Khoarai, L P; Khosa, D H; Khubisa, N M; Koornhof, N J J v R; Kota-Fredricks, Z A; Kubayi, M T; Landers, L T; Lesoma, R M M; Loliwe, F S; Luyenge, Z; Luzipo, S; Maake, J J; Mabasa, X; Mabe, B P; Mabika, M S; Maesela, P; Mafolo, M V; Magadzi, D P; Magwanishe, G; Mahlalela, A F; Mahlangu, D G; Mahlangu, J L; Mahlobo, M D; Maila, M S A; Majola, F Z; Makhubele, Z S; Makondo, T; Makwetla, S P; Malgas, H H; Manamela, K B; Manana, M N S; Manana, D P; Mantashe, P T; Mapulane, M P; Masango, M S A; Masehela, E K M; Maseko, L M; Mashego-Dlamini, K C; Mashile, B L; Masondo, N A; Masuku, M B; Masutha, T M; Maswanganyi, M J; Mathale, C C; Mathebe, D H; Matlala, M H; Matshoba, M O; Matsimbi, C; Mavunda, R T; Maxegwana, C H M; Mbuyane, S H; Mchunu, S; Mdakane, M R; Memela, T C; Mjobo, L N; Mkhize, H B; Mkongi, B M; Mmemezi, H M Z; Mmola, M P; Mmusi, S G; Mncwabe, S C; Mnguni, D; Mnguni, P J; Mnisi, N A; Mogotsi, V P; Molebatsi, M A; Morutoa, M R; Motimele, M S; Motsoaledi, P A; Mpanza, T K; Mpumlwana, L K B; Msibi, V Z; Mthembu, J M; Mthembu, N; Mthethwa, E N; Mthethwa, E M; Nchabeleng, M E; Ndaba, C N; Ndongeni, N; Nel, A C; Newhoudt- Druchen, W S; Ngcobo, B T; Nkadimeng, M F; Nkwinti, G E; November, N T; Nqakula, C; Nxesi, T W; Nyambi, H V; Nzimande, B E; Oliphant, G G; Oosthuizen, G C; Pandor, G N M; Patel, E; Phaahla, M J; Phosa, Y N; Pikinini, I A; Pilane-Majake, M C C; Radebe, B A; Radebe, G S; Radebe, J T; Ralegoma, S M; Ramatlakane, L; Raphuti, D D; Senokoanyane, D Z; September, C C; Shabangu, S; Shaik Emam, A M; Shelembe, M L; Shope-Sithole, S C N; Sibande, M P; Skosana, J J; Skosana, G J; Smith, V G; Sotyu, M M; Thabethe, E; Thomson, B; Tleane, S A; Tobias, T V; Tom, X S; Tseke, G K; Tsoleli, S P; Tsotetsi, D R; Tuck, A; Van Schalkwyk, S R; Williams, A J; Wolmarans, M J; Zokwana, S. NOES - 74: Alberts, A; America, D; Atkinson, P G; Bagraim, M; Bara, M R; Basson, L J; Bergman, D; Boshoff, H S; Bozzoli, B; Brauteseth, T J; Cachalia, G K Y; Cassim, Y; Chance, R W T; Davis, G R; Dreyer, A M; Edwards, J; Esau, S; Figg, M J; Figlan, A M; Groenewald, H B; Grootboom, G A; Hoosen, M H; Hugo, R T; Hunsinger, C H H; Jooste, K; MINUTES: NATIONAL ASSEMBLY NO 48 – 2017 Tuesday, 21 November 2017] 370 Kalyan, S V; Ketabahle, V; Khawula, M S; King, C; Krumbock, G R; Lees, R A; Lorimer, J R B; Lotriet, A; Mackenzie, C; Madisha, W M; Majola, T R; Marais, S J F; Masango, B S ; Mathys, L A; Matsepe, C D; Maynier, D J; Mbabama, T M; Mbhele, Z N; Mcloughlin, A R; Mente, N V; Mhlongo, S P; Mhlongo, T W; Mileham, K J; Mkhaliphi, H O; Mokgalapa, S; Motau, S C; Mulder, C P; Ollis, I M; Paulsen, M N; Rabotapi, M W; Robertson, K P; Robinson, D; Ross, D C; Ryder, D R; Selfe, J; Shinn, M R; Sonti, N P; Stander, T; Steenhuisen, J H; Stubbe, D J; Thembekwayo, S S; Topham, B R; Van Dalen, P; Van Damme, P T; Van Der Walt, D; Van Der Westhuizen, A P; Van Dyk, V; Walters, T C R; Waters, M. ABSTAIN - 8: Buthelezi, E M; Cebekhulu, R N; Esterhuizen, J A; Hlengwa, M; Ngwezi, X; Singh, N; Sithole, K P; Van Der Merwe, L L. Motion agreed to. Report accordingly adopted. 5. THIRD TO FIFTH ORDERS [14:47] Consideration of Report of Standing Committee on Finance on Rates and Monetary Amounts and Amendment of Revenue Laws Bill [B 26 – 2017] (Announcements, Tablings and Committee Reports, 14 November 2017, p 8). Consideration of Report of Standing Committee on Finance on Taxation Laws Amendment Bill [B 27 – 2017] (Announcements, Tablings and Committee Reports, 14 November 2017, p 4). Consideration of Report of Standing Committee on Finance on Tax Administration Laws Amendment Bill [B 28 – 2017] (Announcements, Tablings and Committee Reports, 14 November 2017, p 3). There was no debate. The Chief Whip of the Majority Party moved: That the Reports be adopted. Motion agreed to. Report on Rates and Monetary Amounts and Amendment of Revenue Laws Bill accordingly adopted (Democratic Alliance and Economic Freedom Fighters dissenting). Report on Taxation Laws Amendment Bill accordingly adopted (Democratic Alliance and Economic Freedom Fighters dissenting). Report on Tax Administration Laws Amendment Bill accordingly adopted (Democratic Alliance and Economic Freedom Fighters dissenting). MINUTES: NATIONAL ASSEMBLY NO 48 – 2017 371 [Tuesday, 21 November 2017 6. SIXTH TO EIGHTH ORDERS [14:48] First Reading debate – Rates and Monetary Amounts and Amendment of Revenue Laws Bill [B 26 – 2017] (National Assembly – sec 77). First Reading debate – Taxation Laws Amendment Bill [B 27 – 2017] (National Assembly – sec 77). Second Reading debate – Tax Administration Laws Amendment Bill [B 28 – 2017] (National Assembly – sec 75). Debate concluded. Question put: That the Rates and Monetary Amounts and Amendment of Revenue Laws Bill be read a first time. Division demanded. The House divided. AYES - 198: Abrahams, B L; Adams, F; Adams, P E; Adams, R C; Bam- Mugwanya, V; Basson, J V; Bekwa, S D; Beukman, F; Bhengu, P; Bhengu, F; Bhengu, N R; Bilankulu, N K; Bogopane-Zulu, H I; Booi, M S; Boroto, M G; Buthelezi, E M; Carrim, Y I; Cebekhulu, R N; Cele, M A; Chauke, H P; Chikunga, L S; Chohan, F I; Chueu, M P; Coleman, E M; Cronin, J P; Cwele, S C; Dambuza, N B; Davies, R H; Didiza, A T; Dirks, M A; Dlakude, D E; Dlamini, B O; Dlamini-Dubazana, Z S; Dlodlo, A; Dlomo, B J; Dlulane, B N; Dube, J J; Esterhuizen, J A; Faku, Z C; Fubbs, J L; Galo, M P; Gamede, D D; Gcwabaza, N E; Gigaba, K M N; Gina, N; Gordhan, P J; Gumede, D M; Gungubele, M; Hlengwa, M; Jeffery, J H; Johnson, M; Kalako, M U; Kekana, H B; Kekana, P S; Kekana, C D; Kekana, M D; Kekana, E; Kenye, T E; Khoarai, L P; Khosa, D H; Khubisa, N M; Koornhof, G W; Koornhof, N J J v R; Kota- Fredricks, Z A; Kubayi, M T; Landers, L T; Lesoma, R M M; Loliwe, F S; Luyenge, Z; Luzipo, S; Maake, J J; Mabasa, X; Mabe, B P; Mabika, M S; Maesela, P; Mafolo, M V; Magadzi, D P; Magwanishe, G; Mahlalela, A F; Mahlangu, J L; Mahlangu, D G; Mahlobo, M D; Maila, M S A; Majola, F Z; Makhubele, Z S; Makondo, T; Makwetla, S P; Malgas, H H; Manana, D P; Manana, M N S; Mantashe, P T; Mapulane, M P; Martins, B A D; Masango, M S A; Maseko, L M; Mashego-Dlamini, K C; Mashile, B L; Masondo, N A; Masuku, M B; Masutha, T M; Maswanganyi, M J; Mathale, C C; Mathebe, D H; Matlala, M H; Matshoba, M O; Matsimbi, C; Mavunda, R T; Maxegwana, C H M; Mbinda, L R; Mbuyane, S H; Mchunu, S; Mdakane, M R; Memela, T C; Mjobo, L N; Mkhize, H B; Mmemezi, H M Z; Mmola, M P; Mmusi, S G; Mncwabe, S C; Mnganga - Gcabashe, L A; Mnguni, P J; Mnguni, D; Mnisi, N A; Mogotsi, V P; Molebatsi, M A; Molewa, B E E; Morutoa, M R; Motimele, M S; Motshekga, M S; Motsoaledi, P A; Mpanza, T K; Mpumlwana, L K B; Msibi, V Z; Mthembu, J M; Mthembu, N; Mthethwa, E N; Mthethwa, E M; Nchabeleng, M E; Ndaba, C N; Ndongeni, N; Nel, A C; Newhoudt- Druchen, W S; Ngcobo, B T; Ngwezi, X; Nkadimeng, M F; Nkwinti, G E; November, N T; Nqakula, C; Nxesi, T W; Nyambi, H V; Nzimande, B E; MINUTES: NATIONAL ASSEMBLY NO 48 – 2017 Tuesday, 21 November 2017] 372 Oliphant, G G; Oosthuizen, G C; Pandor, G N M; Patel, E; Phaahla, M J; Phosa, Y N; Pikinini, I A; Pilane-Majake, M C C; Radebe, B A; Radebe, J T; Radebe, G S; Ralegoma, S M; Ramaphosa, M C; Ramatlakane, L; Rantho, D Z; Raphuti, D D; Senokoanyane, D Z; September, C C; Shabangu, S; Shaik Emam, A M; Shope-Sithole, S C N; Sibande, M P; Singh, N; Sithole, K P; Skosana, J J; Skosana, G J; Skwatsha, M; Smith, V G; Sotyu, M M; Surty, M E; Thabethe, E; Theko, L C; Thomson, B; Tleane, S A; Tobias, T V; Tom, X S; Tseke, G K; Tseli, R M; Tshwete, P; Tsoleli, S P; Tsotetsi, D R; Tuck, A; Van Der Merwe, L L; Van Schalkwyk, S R; Williams, A J; Wolmarans, M J; Zokwana, S.