WeaveTech Archive 0106 From [email protected] Fri Jun 1 06:14:06 2001 Return-Path: [email protected] Received: from localhost (ralph@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saturn.CS.Arizona.EDU (8.8.7/ 8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18079 for <ralph@localhost>; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 06:14:05 -0700 From: [email protected] Received: from bas by fetchmail-4.5.8 IMAP for <ralph/localhost> (single-drop); Fri, 01 Jun 2001 06:14:05 MST Received: from optima.CS.Arizona.EDU (optima.CS.Arizona.EDU [192.12.69.5]) by baskerville.CS.Arizona.EDU (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f51AXka01848 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 03:33:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from outmta004.topica.com (outmta004.topica.com [206.132.75.201]) by optima.CS.Arizona.EDU (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f51ATJP15701 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 03:29:20 -0700 (MST) To: [email protected] Subject: Digest for [email protected], issue 821 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 03:32:51 -0700 Message-ID: <[email protected]> X-Topica-Id: <991391570.svc004.18050.1255062> X-Topica-Loop: 700002588 List-Help: <http://topica.com/lists/weavetech/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[email protected]> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[email protected]> List-Archive: <http://topica.com/lists/weavetech/read> Status: R -- Topica Digest -- Re: Weaving what machines can't weave By [email protected] regarding your statement Glen By [email protected] Re: Weaving what machines can't weave By [email protected] Weaving what machines can't weave By [email protected] Re: powered equipment By [email protected] Weaving what machines can't and design By [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:52:35 -0400 From: Allen Fannin <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Weaving what machines can't weave At 07:16 PM 5/31/01 -0700, Margaret Thorson <[email protected]> wrote: > I've lived for almost 30 years on a small island where we >create all our own power either by a gas or propane generator or solar >panels. One of the first things we learned living this way was to never >use electricity when we could do something without it. Which is exactly why the Hattersley and the Griffith looms were designed to operate with manual foot power although their entire operation, other than - 1 - WeaveTech Archive 0106 the source of power is exactly like a motor powered loom. Electric distribution is limited on the Hebrides as well. AAF ALLEN FANNIN, Adjunct Prof., Textile Science Department of Retail Management & Design Technology 224 Slocum Hall Rm 215 College for Human Develpment Syracuse University Syracuse, New York 13244-1250 Phone: (315) 443-1256/4635 FAX: (315) 443-2562 -5300 mailto:[email protected]> http://syllabus.syr.edu/TEX/aafannin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 23:06:15 -0400 From: "Lucille Crighton" <[email protected]> Subject: regarding your statement Glen >"Lucille is one of the first posters to mention the value of lots of research in the area of color, and trying to stay ahead of the pack. I might add that one of the great lacks (from my perusal) is the lack of advanced design thinking both in the cloth itself and in the uses to which it is put." glen black Nell Znameirowski told our class back in the 70's - It should take as long to design the fabric as it does to weave it. This is so true! Lucille Crighton [email protected] Ann Shafer >I wove a number of beautiful shadow weave scarves in chenille and they have sat in our gallery while the plain weave chenille scarves go out very quickly. Regarding Ann's comments about plain weave chenille scarves, I have noticed that clients are really comfortable with structures they are familiar with, like twill and plain weave. They have seen it in commercial fabrics all their lives, so when they see a plain weave or twill scarf, you can detect the familiarity in their eyes and fingers as they run their hands along the cloth. (and this is coming from the mouth of a weaver who weaves turned taquette without a tabby) Lucille Crighton [email protected] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:13:43 -0700 From: "Margaret Thorson" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Weaving what machines can't weave Those looms fascinate me. I'd love to see one in action. I saw the one on ebay and harbored a few fantasies. Margaret in the San Juan Islands ---------- >From: Allen Fannin <[email protected]> - 2 - WeaveTech Archive 0106 >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: Weaving what machines can't weave >Date: Thu, May 31, 2001, 7:52 PM > > At 07:16 PM 5/31/01 -0700, Margaret Thorson <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> I've lived for almost 30 years on a small island where we >>create all our own power either by a gas or propane generator or solar >>panels. One of the first things we learned living this way was to never >>use electricity when we could do something without it. > > Which is exactly why the Hattersley and the Griffith looms were designed to > operate with manual foot power although their entire operation, other than > the source of power is exactly like a motor powered loom. Electric > distribution is limited on the Hebrides as well. > > AAF > > ==^================================================================ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1-Jun-2001 05:57:30 GMT From: Lorrie Holzbach <[email protected]> Subject: Weaving what machines can't weave Fiberphilia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 23:13:59 -0700 From: Laura Fry <[email protected]> Subject: Re: powered equipment Allen makes a good point - that what goes by itself has to stop by itself. :) Similarly, adding additional mechanical enhancements means that there are a whole lot more things to go wrong. :( Doug spent the last three evenings working on the AVL fly shuttle - again - and hopefully now it will work more smoothly. It behaved beautifully for my assistant while I was away (gee, the money was being generated even tho I was away - what a concept!!!) :) and as soon as I got home, the air assisted fly shuttle started to poop out. Hmm - maybe I should go away more often if the loom likes her better than me? Adding more mechanical stuff to your equipment means you either have to be able to deal with it yourself, or have a handy loom mechanic nearby. Fortunately, I have one, but not everyone is in the position of knowing about electrical stuff, and pneumatic stuff as well as weaving stuff. Which reminds me, Doug has been busy with loom repairs and hasn't gotten the specs on the higher pick count wheel. At any rate, I agree with Margaret Coe - we are in the rather enviable position in this day and age of being able to make choices. The vast majority of us do not weave from necessity, - 3 - WeaveTech Archive 0106 but by choice. In the end, what others think of our choices is not as important as that we are meeting our own particular goals and objectives. Where I see so many people failing (myself included) is in the setting of said goals and objectives, and making choices based on knowledge instead of romantic notions. For those people who choose to live an economical lifestyle, their choices will by necessity be different from the choices made by those people (like myself) who opt for the most efficient (powered) equipment I can afford - and I don't refer just to $'s here. There is also the issue of space, time and the rather nebulous factor of "satisfaction". There may be a 'correct' way of doing something, but one has to decide if that is the 'right' way for them..... My choice to weave yards and yards of the same stuff should not be interpreted by anyone else as the 'correct' thing to do. I simply lay it before you as one more choice. It isn't even what *I* really want to do - but I choose to do so instead of going out to find a 'real' job. And like I say, at least I'm weaving....... Life is full of choices AND compromises. Laura Fry about to leave again - maybe the loom will behave better while I'm gone??? http://laurafry.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1-Jun-2001 06:21:23 GMT From: Lorrie Holzbach <[email protected]> Subject: Weaving what machines can't and design I got bored with weaving plain weave chenille with chenille weft (although it had a beautiful hand). I tried various wefts including silk and mercerized cotton. The silk made the fabric even more sensuous, and the cotton woven in various twills showed up beautifully. It also made a sturdy fabric very suitable for clothing. No worming. I love to push a warp to its limits and try to use up yarns I already own. Chenille also makes a good weft on a cotton warp. A cotton (or silk, etc.) warp solves the chenille fringe problem. I learned my lesson about good design back in college. I slaved for days executing a piece of silver jewelry, and got a mediocre grade. Another piece which I did with a single piece of wire in just a few hours got an "A". The design was so simple, and I still have it in my head (filed under:"intellectual property".) A favorite motto is: "Good design doesn't have to cost more." Fiberphilia ------------------------------ End of [email protected] digest, issue 821 From [email protected] Sat Jun 2 07:12:51 2001 Return-Path: [email protected] Received: from localhost (ralph@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saturn.CS.Arizona.EDU (8.8.7/ 8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19572 for <ralph@localhost>; Sat, 2 Jun 2001 07:12:49 -0700 From: [email protected]