Tbirteentb Series, Vol. IV, No.3 Friday, February 25, 2000 Pbalguna 12, 1921 (Saka) LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version) Third 'Session (Thirteenth Lok Sabha) (Vol. IV contains Nos. 1 to 10) LOK SABRA SECRET ARIAT NEW DELHI Price: Rs. 50.00 EDITORIAL BOARD G. C. Malhotra Secretary-General Lok Sabha Dr. A. K. Pandey Additional Secretary Harnam Singh Joint Secretary P. C. Bhatt Principal Chief Editor A.P. Chakravarti Senior Editor J.C. Sharma Editor (Original English Proceedings included in English Version and Original Hindi proceedings included in Hindi Version will be treated as authoritative and not the translation thereof.) CONTENTS Thirteenth Series, Vol. IV. Third Session 1921 (Saka) [No.3, Friday, February 25, 2000fPhaiguna 6, 1921 (Saka)] SuB.£cr CoLUMNS MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. 1-22 Re : Ban on Govemment Employees Joining RSS WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Starred Questions Nos. 21-40 . 23-69 Unstarred Questions Nos. 197-426 . 69-299 PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE . 299-309 BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE . 309-311 ELECTIONS TO COMMITTEES. 311-313,357-359 (i) Committee on Estimates. 311 (ii) Committee on Public Undertakings. 312 (iii) Rehabilitation Council of India. 313 (iv) Committee on Public Accounts . 357 (v) Committee on the Welfare of Scheduled Castes. 358-359 and Scheduled Tribes RAILWAY BUDGET 2000-2001 . 313·344 Kumari Mamata Banerjee STATEMENT BY MINISTER 350-356 Strike by the Lawyers Shri Ram Jethmalani PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE. 357 First Report THE COFFEE (AMENDMENT) BILL - Introduced . 359 PRIVATE MEMBER'S BILLS - Introd.uced . 362-367 (i) The prevention of insults to National Honour . 362-363 (Amendment) Bill (Amendment of Section 3) Shri .Kirit Somaiya (ii) The Constitution (Scheduled Tribes) Order Bill (Amendment of the Schedule) Shri Bir Singh Mahato . 363 (iii) The Special Educational Facilities (For Children of Parents Uving Below Poverty Une) Bill Shri Bir Singh Mahato . 363 (iv) The Compulsory Military Training Bill Shri Vilas Muttemwar . 363-364 (v) The Regpicking and other Vagabond Street Children (Rehabilitation and Welfare Bill) Stari Vilas Muttemwar . 364 (vi) The Cinematograph (Amendment) Bill (Substitution of new section for Section 3, etc.) Shri Vilas Muttemwar . 364-365 (i) J SuB.ECT (vii) The Abolition of Begging Bill Shri Ramelas Athawale . 365 (viii) The Uniform Education Bill Shri Ramelas Athawale . 365 (ix) The Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes (Reservation of Vacancies in Posts and Services) Bill Shri Ramdas Athawale . 365-366 (x) The Eradication of Unemployment Bill Shri Ramdas Athawale . 366 (xi) The Cable Television Networks (Regulation) (Amendment) Bill (Amendment of Sections 5 and 6) Shri Kirit Somaiya . 366 (xii) The Securities and Exchange Board of India (Amendment) Bill (Amendment of Section 4) Shri Kirit Somaiya . 367 (xiii) The Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes (Reservation in Educational Institutions) Bill Shri Pravin Rashtrapati . "367 THE TERRIORIST AND DISRUPTIVE ACTIVITIES (PREVENTION) 367-399 (WITHDRAWAL OF LEGAL PROCEEDINGS BILL) Shri Ramesh Chennithala . 368 Prof. Rasa Singh Rawat . 368-373 Shri Varkala Radhakrishnan . 372-373 Dr. Nitish Sengupta . 373-374 Shri Rashid Alvi . 374-376 Shri Dilipkumar Mansukhlal Gandhi . 376-377 Shri Ali Mohammad Naik 377-379 Shri Ravi Prakash Verma 379-381 Shri Subodh Mohite . 381-383 Shri Haribhau Shankar Mahale 383-384 Shri Ramdas Athawale 384-385 Shri Ram Jethmalani . 385-389 Shri C.H. Vidyasagar Rao 389-395 Shri G.M. Banatwalla 395-399 Bill Withdrawn . 399 ANNOUNCEMENT BY DEPUTY SPEAKER . 399-401 RE : BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE THE REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE (AMENDMENT) BILL 401 (Insertion of new sections 26A and 26B) Motion to Consider Dr. Raghuvansh Prasad Singh . 402 (ii) LOK SABHA DEBATES LOK SABHA participate In the activities of the RSS.... (Interruptlons) The Centre is sitting as a mute spectator to all these happenings. Friday, February 25, 2000/Phalguna 6, 1921 (Saka) MR. SPEAKER : Please be very brief. The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA : I would Uke to make [MR. SPEAKER in the Chait] my own submissions on this that the Centre has every authority to issue a directive to the State Government because [EngHsh) the ideology of the RSS is something which spreads pOison MR. SPEAKER : Q. No. 21. throughout the length and breadth of this country, goes against the basic feature which Is secular . ... (Interruptions) ... (Interruptions) I would like to quote from what Shri Golwalkar has said . MR. SPEAKER: Shri Vijayraje Scindia, please. What MR. SPEAKER : We are not discussing the subject. is your submission piease? You can briefly mention it. ... (Interruptions) SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA : All these are important issues because the ideologies spread poison. The basic SHRi MADHAVRAO SCINDIA (GUNA) : Sir,my name feature of our Constitution is secularism. The feature basic is not Vijayraje Scindia. My name is Madhavrao Scindia. of our Constitution gives neutrality and objectivity to the civil servants. ... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry. t~ke ... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : Please y'"lur seat. SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN (CHIRAYINKIL) : (lnterruptioil:;) There should not be Question Hour. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA : We are absolutely MR. SPEAKER: Shri Radhakrishnan, please take your appalled by the hon. Prime Minister giving a clean slate to seat. I have called Shri Madhavrao Scindia, and not you. the RSS as a cultural organisation. Please understand that. I would like to quote what the ideologue of the RSS ... (lnterruptions) had said . SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN : It is very MR. SPEAKER : We are not discussing the subject. unfortunate that the lawyers have been lathicharged. You can briefly mention about the Adjournment Motion. MR. SPEAKER : Please take your seat. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA : How can a govemment servant be allowed to partiCipate in the activities of' an SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN : What is the organisation which spreads poison against the minorities, provocation that they were lathicharged? which hits at the secular traditions of this country and which is out to destroy all the basic tenets on which our Constitution MR. SPEAKER : Please take your seat. stands? To convince the people, I would ike to quote what Guru Golwalkar had said on what the system In our country should be, and what it is today. (Interrupt/ons) 11.03 hrs. MR. SPEAKER : I am not allowing. We are Ustening MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT to Shri Scindia. Please understand it. No other hon. Member is allowed. I have not allowed anybody else. I am Ustening Ban on Govemment employees lolning RSS to Shri Scindia. The other hon. Member should take his seat. I am not allowing him. [English] SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA : He said that every SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA (GUNA) : I have given race in Hindustan must adopt the Hindu culture and language, a notice for suspension of Question Hour because I have must learn to respect and hold in i ~verence the Hindu moved, along with several others I believe, an Adjoumment religion. Motion on a matter of extremely grave concern to all of us which strikes at the very basic tenets of our parliamentary MR. SPEAKER : This is not a discussion. democracy in our Constitution. It is such a grave issue '''''une the Government servants are freely allowed to SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA : He said' ..... 'fl 3 Motion for Adjournment 25 February, 2000 Motion for Adjournment 4 entertain no idea but those of the glorification of the Hindu ... (lnterruptions) race and culture, i.e. of the Hindu nation and must lose their separate existence to merge in the Hindu race or may stay [Translation] In the country, wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation. claiming nothing, deserving no privileges, far less any KUMARI UMA SHARATI : Mr. Speaker, Sir, Mr. preferential treatment-not even citizens' rights" . ... (Interrup- Madhavrao Sclndla Is using wrong words. (Interruptions) tions) [English] therefore this is the basis and Ideology of the RSS. How can a Government servant be allowed to participate MR. SPEAKER : Please understand that I have not in the activities of the RSS? How can they be allowed to suspended the Question Hour. I am only hearing. I am ~articipate In the activities of this type of an organisation? listening to what is being said. One of the basic tenets of parliamentary democracy is that the civil servants must have objectivity and maintain neutrality [Translation] while dealing with the people. KUMARI UMA SHARATI : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am on MR. 'SPEAKER : We are not entirely discussing the a pOint of order .... (lnterruptions) subject. Yesterday also, I allowed you to mention something about the Adjournment Motion. MR. SPEAKER : Madam, you please sit down. SHRI RAJESH PILOT (DAUSA) : Are we not to mention (Interruptions) the subject? KUMARI UMA SHARATI : Mr. Speaker, Sir, Mr. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA : This is one of the Maelilavrao Scindia has violated the parliamentary code of basic features of our Constitution. It is such a basic and conduct on that I am on a point of order.... (lnterruptions) fundamental matter that I am sure that you, in your wisdom, a person who believes in secularism, is certain to allow a [English] discussion under Rule 56, as an Adjournment Motion so that this matter which has united the' Opposition entirely is KUMARI UMA SHARATI : It is my point of order. He discussed threadbare and the Government understands has made a mistake. what Its constitutional responsibilities are. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : What is your point of order? The Union Governmenfis acquiescing because under . article 256 and 257 the Union Government has every right KUMARI UMA SHARATI : He has quoted somebody's to Issue a dlrective~ and H they do not Issue the directive, name who is not present here in Parliament. It should be it means that the Central Government is also not maintaining expunged from the records. Its constitutional responslblHtles, It Is totally abrogating its responslbititles and that the hidden agenda Is being pushed [Translation] down the throat. All that the BJP is doing Is to allow the Govemment of Gujarat to float trial balloons to ensure that Expunge it from the records.