First Session – Forty-First Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Myrna Driedger Speaker Vol. LXIX No. 50 - 1:30 p.m., Wednesday, October 26, 2016 ISSN 0542-5492 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-First Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLUM, James Fort Garry-Riverview NDP ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley NDP BINDLE, Kelly Thompson PC CHIEF, Kevin Point Douglas NDP CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy, Hon. River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC CURRY, Nic Kildonan PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Charleswood PC EICHLER, Ralph, Hon. Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FIELDING, Scott, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC FLETCHER, Steven, Hon. Assiniboia PC FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP FRIESEN, Cameron, Hon. Morden-Winkler PC GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GRAYDON, Clifford Emerson PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek Interlake PC JOHNSTON, Scott St. James PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP KLASSEN, Judy Kewatinook Lib. LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan Selkirk PC LAMOUREUX, Cindy Burrows Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Flor Logan NDP MARCELINO, Ted Tyndall Park NDP MARTIN, Shannon Morris PC MAYER, Colleen St. Vital PC MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew, Hon. Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice Seine River PC NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine, Hon. Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Arthur-Virden PC REYES, Jon St. Norbert PC SARAN, Mohinder The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron, Hon. St. Paul PC SELINGER, Greg St. Boniface NDP SMITH, Andrew Southdale PC SMOOK, Dennis La Verendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon. Tuxedo PC SWAN, Andrew Minto NDP TEITSMA, James Radisson PC WHARTON, Jeff Gimli PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian, Hon. Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC YAKIMOSKI, Blair Transcona PC 2395 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Wednesday, October 26, 2016 The House met at 1:30 p.m. Mr. Wiebe: Madam Speaker, universal public health care is the cornerstone of our province, and this Madam Speaker: O Eternal and Almighty God, government should do everything possible to protect from Whom all power and wisdom come, we are that. This ban–will ban unfair health-care premiums assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as that charge Manitobans for their care and keep may tend to the welfare and prosperity of our low-income families from accessing the services that province. Grant, O merciful God, we pray Thee, that they need. we may desire only that which is in accordance with Thy will, that we may seek it with wisdom and know We know that other provinces like Ontario and it with certainty and accomplish it perfectly for the BC charge families hundreds of dollars a year, but glory and honour of Thy name and for the welfare of that's not the Manitoba way. all our people. Amen. We urge the government to pass this bill and Please be seated. commit that health care in Manitoba stays public, affordable and universal for all. ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS Madam Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to INTRODUCTION OF BILLS adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 213–The Civil Service Amendment Act COMMITTEE REPORTS (Employment Preference for Reservists with Active Service) Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs Mr. Nic Curry (Kildonan): It is an honour and a Third Report privilege to stand here today. Mrs. Sarah Guillemard (Chairperson): Madam I move, seconded by the member for St. Norbert Speaker, I wish to present the Third Report of the (Mr. Reyes), that Bill 213, The Civil Service Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs. Amendment Act (Employment Preference for Clerk (Ms. Patricia Chaychuk): Your Standing Reservists with Active Service), be now read for a Committee on Legislative Affairs presents the first time. following– Motion presented. Some Honourable Members: Dispense. Mr. Curry: To put a few brief words on the record, Madam Speaker: Dispense? Dispense. in our society it is important that we recognize that preference can be afforded to many people and Your Standing Committee on LEGISLATIVE that veterans in our society can also be reservists. AFFAIRS presents the following as its Third Report. Unfortunately, as a reservist, I've learned that Meetings sometimes this cannot be done, and I'm very happy to bring many of my stories to the Chamber and Your Committee met on October 25, 2016 at bring this to a second reading. 6:00 p.m. in Room 255 of the Legislative Building. Madam Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to Matters under Consideration adopt the motion? [Agreed] • Bill (No. 8) – The Protecting Children Bill 212–The Health Services Insurance (Information Sharing) Act/Loi sur la protection Amendment Act des enfants (communication de renseignements) Mr. Matt Wiebe (Concordia): I move, seconded by Committee Membership the member for Minto (Mr. Swan), that Bill 212, The • Health Services Insurance Amendment Act, be now Mr. ALTEMEYER read for a first time. • Hon. Mr. FIELDING • Ms. FONTAINE Motion presented. • Hon. Mr. GERRARD 2408 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 26, 2016 We petition the Legislative Assembly of The recent introduction of Bill 7 by the Manitoba as follows: provincial government confirmed this possibility by removing automatic certification and the safeguards To urge the provincial government do all that is in The Labour Relations Act to protect workers possible to prevent the Bell takeover of MTS and from employer intimidation during the certification preserve a more competitive cellphone market so process. that cellular bills for Manitobans do not increase unnecessarily. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: And this petition is signed by many fine Manitobans. To urge the provincial government maintain the current legislation for union certification which Madam Speaker: In accordance with our rule reflects balance and fairness, rather than adopting the 133(6), when petitions are read they are deemed to intention to make it harder for workers to organize. be received by the House. And this petition, Madam Speaker, has been Union Certification signed by many hard-working Manitobans. Mr. Tom Lindsey (Flin Flon): Madam Speaker, I Madam Speaker: Grievances? wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. ORDERS OF THE DAY These are the reasons for this petition: GOVERNMENT BUSINESS Manitoba has benefited greatly from a fair and OPPOSITION DAY MOTION balanced approach to labour relations that has led to Madam Speaker: The House will now consider the a long period of labour peace in this province. Opposition Day motion of the honourable member Under the current legislation, if 65 per cent of for Fort Rouge, and I now recognize the honourable workers in a workplace vote to join a union by member for Fort Rouge. signing a union card, then a union can qualify Mr. Wab Kinew (Fort Rouge): Madam Speaker, I to become automatically certified as the official move, seconded by the member from Flin Flon, that bargaining agent for the workers. the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba condemn the federal government's inaction in equitably funding These signed union cards are submitted to the social services for First Nations people. Labour Board and an independent review by the Labour Board is held to ensure that the law has been Motion presented. followed. Mr. Kinew: I'm pleased to stand before you in the Provincial threshold to achieve automatic House today and make a 'simble'–simple request of certification of a union is the highest in the country my colleagues, once again, that we demand equality at 65 per cent. The democratic will and decision of for First Nations people in our country. Again, this the workers to vote and join the union is absolutely follows a private members' resolution which dealt clear. with a similar topic, but in a different manner. And I was encouraged to hear many members of the House During the recent provincial election, the leader speak in support of the principle behind that of the Progressive Conservative Party announced, resolution, which is the same principle underlying without any consultation, that it was his intention to this resolution here today, though I was a bit change this fair and balanced legislation by requiring discouraged that the matter did not go to a vote at a second vote conducted on a matter where that time. And so I stand here before you again–once the democratic will of workers has already been again, to bring the same matter forward and to expressed. present it in the form of a motion today. This plan opens up the process to potential employer interference and takes the same misguided Again, the reason that we are debating this today approach that the federal Conservatives under the is because, for the first time in the history of this Harper administration took in Bill C-525, which was country, the character of discrimination against First nothing more than a solution looking for a problem. Nations people living on reserve has been brought October 26, 2016 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2409 into stark relief, thanks to a decision rendered by the Liberals is not enough. It is not enough to rectify the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. Earlier this year, situation. the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal ruled that And, really, any reasonable person, when the unequal funding for child-welfare services on looking at what the federal Liberals have reserve, for education to First Nations people and to announced–this funding that's rolled in–rolled out in child–to health services on reserve is tantamount to stages, going up to 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021.