COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE JOINT WITH THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE PUBLIC HEARING STATE CAPITOL HARRISBURG, PA MAIN CAPITOL BUILDING ROOM 14 0 MONDAY, OCTOBER 19, 2 02 0 9:05 A.M. PRESENTATION ON PENNSYLVANIA STATE SYSTEM OF HIGHER EDUCATION (PASSHE) APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT: HONORABLE STAN SAYLOR, MAJORITY CHAIRMAN HONORABLE ROSEMARY M. BROWN HONORABLE GEORGE DUNBAR HONORABLE MARCIA M. HAHN HONORABLE DOYLE HEFFLEY HONORABLE R. LEE JAMES HONORABLE JOHN A. LAWRENCE HONORABLE JAMES B. STRUZZI, II HONORABLE JESSE TOPPER HONORABLE DAVID H. ZIMMERMAN HONORABLE MATTHEW D. BRADFORD, DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HONORABLE CAROLYN T. COMITTA HONORABLE AUSTIN A. DAVIS HONORABLE PATTY KIM HONORABLE STEPHEN KINSEY HONORABLE LEANNE KRUEGER HONORABLE PETER SCHWEYER 2 APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT VIRTUALLY: HONORABLE LYNDA SCHLEGEL CULVER HONORABLE JONATHAN FRITZ HONORABLE MATT GABLER HONORABLE KEITH J. GREINER HONORABLE JASON ORTITAY HONORABLE CLINT OWLETT HONORABLE CHRISTOPHER B. QUINN HONORABLE GREG ROTHMAN HONORABLE RYAN WARNER HONORABLE MORGAN CEPHAS HONORABLE MARIA P. DONATUCCI HONORABLE ELIZABETH FIEDLER HONORABLE STEPHEN MCCARTER HONORABLE BENJAMIN V. SANCHEZ EDUCATION COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT: HONORABLE CURT SONNEY, MAJORITY CHAIRMAN HONORABLE ROSEMARY BROWN HONORABLE MARK M. GILLEN HONORABLE BARBARA GLEIM HONORABLE JESSE TOPPER HONORABLE MARY ISAACSON HONORABLE PATTY KIM HONORABLE DAN MILLER HONORABLE GERALD MULLERY EDUCATION COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT VIRTUALLY: HONORABLE VALERIE GAYDOS HONORABLE DAVID HICKERNELL HONORABLE MIKE JONES HONORABLE JERRY KNOWLES HONORABLE JASON ORTITAY HONORABLE MIKE PUSKARIC HONORABLE MEGHAN SCHROEDER HONORABLE JAMES ROEBUCK, DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HONORABLE CAROL HILL-EVANS HONORABLE MAUREEN MADDEN HONORABLE STEPHEN MCCARTER HONORABLE JARED SOLOMON Pennsylvania House of Representatives Commonwealth of Pennsylvania 3 REPUBLICAN CAUCUS STAFF PRESENT: CHRISTINE SEITZ DANIEL GLATFELTER REPUBLICAN CAUCUS STAFF PRESENT VIRTUALLY: CHRISTINE CRONE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS STAFF PRESENT: CHRISTOPHER WAKELEY DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS STAFF PRESENT VIRTUALLY: ALYCIA LAURETI MARLENA MILLER 4 I N D E X TESTIFIERS ~k ~k ~k NAME PAGE DANIEL GREENSTEIN CHANCELLOR, PENNSYLVANIA STATE SYSTEM OF HIGHER EDUCATION. 13 SUBMITTED WRITTEN TESTIMONY * * * (See submitted written testimony and handouts online.) 5 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 * * * 3 APPROPRIATIONS MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SAYLOR: We’ll 4 call the Appropriations and Education Joint Committee to 5 order. And I want to welcome Chancellor Greenstein to this 6 quarterly update, the first of many quarterly updates on 7 our State system. 8 With that, I ’ll turn it over to our Republican 9 Education Chairman Curt Sonney. 10 EDUCATION MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SONNEY: Thank you, 11 Chairman Saylor. And good morning, Chancellor Greenstein. 12 It’s good to see you. 13 MR. GREENSTEIN: Good to see you. 14 EDUCATION MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SONNEY: Of course, 15 this is the first of many meetings to come. 16 MR. GREENSTEIN: Hundreds. 17 EDUCATION MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SONNEY: I believe we 18 have quarterly updates, and so, you know, looking forward 19 to hearing the progress that’s been made so far and get a 20 good sense of direction of where the State system is headed 21 and when do we think that, you know, we will be financially 22 stable. So I really don’t have anything else other than 23 that to say. 24 APPROPRIATIONS MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SAYLOR: Okay. 25 EDUCATION MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SONNEY: Chairman? 6 1 APPROPRIATIONS MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SAYLOR: With 2 that, I’ll recognize the Democratic Chairman of the 3 Appropriations Committee, Matt Bradford. 4 APPROPRIATIONS DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN BRADFORD: 5 Thank you, Chairman Saylor. It’s to see you, Chancellor. 6 I realize you have a very difficult job ahead and 7 appreciate the update. 8 Chairman Saylor, I also just wanted to again 9 apologize. I ’m going to have to duck out in a couple of 10 minutes, but I know Representative Schweyer is going to 11 help us out in that regard, so I want to thank Pete as well 12 for that. 13 With that, you also asked me to have us introduce 14 our Democratic Members. Just for the record, I ’m Matt 15 Bradford, State Rep from Montgomery County. 16 REPRESENTATIVE SCHWEYER: Peter Schweyer, State 17 Rep from Lehigh County, city of Allentown. 18 REPRESENTATIVE KIM: Good morning. Patty Kim, 19 103rd District. 20 REPRESENTATIVE KRUEGER: Leanne Krueger, Delaware 21 County. 22 REPRESENTATIVE MULLERY: Gerry Mullery, Luzerne 23 County. 24 REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON: Mary Isaacson, 25 Philadelphia County. 7 1 APPROPRIATIONS MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SAYLOR: Is that 2 everybody? Again, I ’m Representative Stan Saylor, Chairman 3 of the House Appropriations Committee. 4 EDUCATION MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SONNEY: 5 Representative Curt Sonney, House Education Chairman, 4th 6 Legislative District. 7 EDUCATION DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN ROEBUCK: Good 8 morning. Good morning. This is Jim Roebuck. 9 APPROPRIATIONS MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SAYLOR: We hear 10 you, Mr. Chairman. 11 EDUCATION DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN ROEBUCK: Oh, you 12 can hear me? Okay, very good. 13 MALE SPEAKER: Why don’t you say a few words? 14 Say thank you for having this meeting. 15 APPROPRIATIONS MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SAYLOR: 16 Chairman Roebuck, we can’t hear you. Do you have an 17 opening comment? Chairman, if you can hear me, you’re on 18 mute. You need to unmute yourself. Chairman, we can’t 19 hear you. Can you unmute yourself? There you go. 20 EDUCATION MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SONNEY: There you 21 go. 22 EDUCATION DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN ROEBUCK: This is 23 mute? 24 MALE SPEAKER: No, it ain’t muted, Jim. 25 EDUCATION DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN ROEBUCK: They 8 1 unmuted me, yes. 2 APPROPRIATIONS MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SAYLOR: We can 3 hear you now. Okay. John? 4 REPRESENTATIVE LAWRENCE: Representative John 5 Lawrence from Chester and Lancaster Counties. 6 REPRESENTATIVE DUNBAR: Representative George 7 Dunbar, Westmoreland County. 8 REPRESENTATIVE TOPPER: Jesse Topper, 78th 9 District, Bedford, Fulton, and Franklin Counties. 10 REPRESENTATIVE HAHN: Marcia Hahn, 138th 11 District, Northampton County. 12 REPRESENTATIVE GILLEN: Representative Mark 13 Gillen, Berks and Lancaster Counties. 14 REPRESENTATIVE STRUZZI: Representative Jim 15 Struzzi, Indiana County. 16 REPRESENTATIVE GLEIM: Representative Barb Gleim, 17 Cumberland County. 18 REPRESENTATIVE JAMES: Good morning, 19 Representative Lee James, Venango and Butler Counties. 20 APPROPRIATIONS MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SAYLOR: Very 21 good. If we could have -- those that are on satellite 22 coming in, if you would introduce yourselves as well that 23 you’re here. 24 EDUCATION MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SONNEY: They just 25 need to unmute themselves and -- 9 1 APPROPRIATIONS MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SAYLOR: Unmute 2 themselves and then introduce themselves. 3 MALE SPEAKER: They can’t hear you. They're 4 saying there's no audio coming into that. 5 APPROPRIATIONS MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SAYLOR: They 6 said they can't hear us. They should. Can you hear me 7 now, those that are on satellite? 8 REPRESENTATIVE KNOWLES: Yes, Jerry Knowles here. 9 I can hear you. 10 APPROPRIATIONS MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SAYLOR: Very 11 good. Jerry, you want to introduce yourself and your 12 county and then we'll keep going if people would unmute 13 themselves and introduce themselves. 14 REPRESENTATIVE KNOWLES: Representative Jerry 15 Knowles, the 124th District, representing portions of 16 Berks, Schuylkill, and Carbon Counties. 17 REPRESENTATIVE OWLETT: Representative Clint 18 Owlett. I have the privilege of serving Tioga, part of 19 Bradford, and part of Potter County, 68th Legislative 20 District. 21 REPRESENTATIVE FRITZ: Good morning. 22 Representative Fritz proudly representing Wayne and 23 Susquehanna Counties. 24 REPRESENTATIVE GABLER: Good morning, 25 Representative -- 10 1 REPRESENTATIVE HICKERNELL: Dave Hickernell, 2 Lancaster and Dauphin Counties. 3 REPRESENTATIVE GABLER: Good morning. 4 Representative Matt Gabler, 75th District, Elk and 5 Clearfield Counties. 6 REPRESENTATIVE ORTITAY: Good morning. 7 Representative Jason Ortitay, Allegheny and Washington 8 Counties. 9 REPRESENTATIVE JONES: Mike Jones, York County, 10 93rd District. 11 REPRESENTATIVE GAYDOS: Good morning. Valerie 12 Gaydos, 44th District, Allegheny County. 13 REPRESENTATIVE SOLOMON: Good morning. State 14 Representative Jared Solomon, northeast Philadelphia, 15 2 02nd. 16 REPRESENTATIVE PUSKARIC: Mike Puskaric 17 representing Allegheny and Washington Counties, 39th 18 Legislative District. 19 REPRESENTATIVE DONATUCCI: Representative — 20 REPRESENTATIVE GREINER: Representative Greiner, 21 Lancaster County. 22 APPROPRIATIONS MAJORITY CHAIRMAN SAYLOR: 23 Chairman Roebuck, you’re muted right now. When everybody’s 24 done introducing themselves, I ’d like you to have any 25 opening comments, but we couldn’t hear you there earlier, 11 1 so I apologize. If everybody else would finish introducing 2 yourselves, and then w e ’ll recognize Chairman Roebuck. 3 REPRESENTATIVE DONATUCCI: Representative Maria 4 Donatucci, 185th District, Philadelphia and Delco. 5 REPRESENTATIVE MCCARTER: Steve McCarter 6 representing 154th District, eastern Montgomery County. 7 REPRESENTATIVE SANCHEZ: Ben Sanchez, also 8 representing Montgomery County. 9 REPRESENTATIVE FIEDLER: Representative Elizabeth 10 Fiedler, 184th, south Philadelphia. 11 REPRESENTATIVE SCHROEDER: Representative — 12 REPRESENTATIVE MADDEN: Representative Maureen 13 Madden representing the 115th District, Monroe County. 14 REPRESENTATIVE SCHROEDER: Representative Megan 15