L I TER A R Y M A < G A Z I N E Fanning With Rev Billy w- Sundat An Interview on Old Time Baseball With the Famous Former Star To lllus ALTHOUGH By od Clarke Wells trnto tho dlf R roronoo w o Sunday quit olmilng- nil ho would tally a tho fans thon said It worked with two bnnoball lllou to chase So Sunday made his debut with tho Marshall pltohorg in tho years the dovil ha linn boon town tonm a strong amateur bunch for thoia wo won tho champion- ¬ tromondouily b u s y clays Marahalltown In 1882 had beaten everything ship Jim MoOor preaching tho gospol find it had played with the exception of tho team of miok who was with saving tho souls of tons the Capital City and that it had not played Like- ¬ Cleveland in the old of thousands of mon and wise Dos Moinoa had won nil its games and the days and John Clark women ho is still n result was a contest for tho championship of Iowa son Thoso mon did thoroughbred fan arid Sunday played loft Hold In the game which was not thlnls thoy woro be- ¬ thoro Isnt a devotee of pulled off in Dos Moines Mnrshnlltown won 11 ing overworked by tho groat national game to 0 Tho young man Sunday so distinguished pitching ono game a anywhoro who loops in himself by making several hits nnd scores that week and perhaps two closer touch with it than Pop Ansons attention was called to him when but wore glnd to got ho Of courgo there Anson camo out to Marshalltown tho noxt winter out and pitch ovory are days whoa this to visit his father Anion looked Sunday up and othor day They oven formorgroat hull play made him a proposition Tho result was that Sun ¬ did moro than that or haint time to fan day wont to Chicago in tho spring of 1883 for n and Ill show you how but ono day of every workout Detroit couldnt hit seven is a rest day with Clarkson for sour ap him and on that day Made Pfeffer Look Like An Ice Wagon pies but thdy could bat McCormick all Rev Wm Sunday hos always roady for HE first thing they ran mo up ngalnst In Ohl the man who wantfl to UT cage over the lot My but As an Evangelist today said Sunday in recalling old days Detroit bunch did tnk tho gamo was Fred Pfeffor tho crack second baseman of tho that Billy Sunday gave mo glnd have a great crowd of Ho tho then celebrated White Stockings Pfoffer was the As a star ball player In hand tho other dny nt MnrBhalltown whore ho was sluggers Now York fastest man on bases in Chicago and one of the fast could Clarkson but the 80s engaged In a groat rovlval mooting I came to jst In tho loaguo Anson had told some of tlio hit nslc him to wrlto a story of old timo baseball thoy couldnt touch boys about my running and they wore inclined to McCormick so Pop always arranged it so that but ho excused himself bocauso ho was too busy doubt tho old mans word It didnt take long to and too tired to undortnlco such a task However when wo played Now York McCormick would Mottlo matters however and the first thing I know pitch throe games of the series of four and Clark ho daclarod that ho would lute nothing bettor than I IB was matched with Pfoffor for a foot race It son would do the same when we met Detroit to talk about tho oldon days and lot ma put down noodless for me to go into details but I mado his reminiscences for him Pfeffer look like an Ico wagon I told Pfeffor after Was Great Bunch of Players With duo appreciation for the talent of today wo had finished that I had got my practice running Sunday i of the opinion that tho hasbeens HAT was a great bunch of players In those with a hose team out at Marshalltown Iowa to wore equally is groat In their day Modesty would Well I got into tho game in short order T days Im hero toll youevery mothers naturally cause him to eliminate himself from any be- son of them Look back at those New York and here is where another comparison Chicago how of tho comparisons but in speaking of tho old tween the old and modern days of baseball is not Giants and Detroityes and And days Sunday said amiss Now a man to get into the big leagues most of thorn could use tho stick whew I tell individual ball player of today ia no hotter you they were a fast bunch Tho ordinarily must have spent years in developing game than ho was twenty or twentyfive years ago In in leagues Take Johnny Clarkson now out of tho himself minor Hero I was for tho ¬ ¬ twenty years today my no- fact I believe that taking everything into consid first time in Chicago working out in a major eighteen or and to oration the follows of a quarter of a century ago tion there is not a pitcher in tho business who league and just out of the pastures My speed in palmy days oxcollod in some ways To bo true what a man running however was my big I was could equal Clarkson in his game asset and Where today can you find a bettor catcher than doos nowadays counts for more In a for to got be- ¬ able balls other fielders couldnt touch Ewing of Giants or Roger now they have team work down to perfection In cause of being quick on my feet I was able to old Buck the Con the old days we hardly know what toam work run tho bases in fourteen seconds with a standing nors New Yorks first baseman Jim ORourko as the word applies today was Wo know noth ¬ out In left field Mike Tlornan in right and start and was timed at that figure time and time captain who played ing about a hit and run game or tho doublo steal again Naturally this commanded not Johnny Ward of tho Giants attention game By way is to ¬ that was all unknown dope to us Consoquently only of the big ones in tho league but of the a great at short the Ward an day attorney for the Brooklyn Rapid Transit com ¬ moro as individuals more rested on us grand stand and bleachers and 1 won a place individuals Hence my reason for saying that pany They dont all go to the bad do they oven though I wasnt much of a batter and couldnt Detroit bunch Thero was Dan perhaps in some ways tho boys or the old days do much better than hit around 250 Then take the Qxoollod tho stars of today Brouthers at first Hardy Richardson In left and Game Now Greatly Changed Jack Rowe at short Deacon White on third Learned the Game In Cow Lot nnd Fred Dunlap at second Then there wail LITTLIO history of Dilly Sundays adoption- UT the game wo played In those days has Charley Bennett the old catcher and Sam A of a baseball career will bo interesting to tho uB changed a great deal today Then we hardly Thompson in right field thero was a bunch my older fans who remember woll tho old days or An- over had a sub and it was seldom that a fellow boy any manager could be proud of on and Clarkson and tho immortal Kelly Pro- was not in his position We playod season after In our own team thero wasnt a one but who fessional baseball with Billy Sunday was more season with eleven or twelve men while now it Is was a star In his particular line if I do say it my- ¬ of an accident than otherwise and his career may not uncommon to see as high as thirty men in the self Where do you find a ball player today who h attributed solely to Cap Anson who round big league teams Why they carry nearly as many was Cap Ansons equal at allaround ball when I him pitchers alone in those modern days as we did In Anson was at his best And where can you find In tho early 80B Billy Sunday was brought to our entire team then a catcher who would beat old Mike Kelly Marshalltown by manag- ¬ Cy Young Last of Old ers of a volunteer hose School- team In those days lire HE only man play mens tournaments wore uT ing professional ball among the big events of today who was playing the year and commanded when I was in the game wldo interest Sunday Is old Cy Young of tho was then a youth living Clevelands Cy had a at Nevada Iowa tho counterpart in Jimmie county seat of Story his Galvin who pitched in the native county Sunday old days of Buffalo and was fleet of foot o a tho PIttsburg And Jim was hose team managers were Just as speedy when he looking for just his kind had been pitching for fif ¬ They secured a job for teen years as ho waa him in Marshalltown in when he began I remem- ¬ order to get him on the ber well how he looked team Sunday was then In the box He had a half running easily In 10J4 hitch In his delivery that naturally ho was a valu- ¬ the umpires of today able man would term a balk and ho Incidentally Sunday could hold a man on first liked to play ball and he baso tighter than any man- was out in tho pasture for I ever tried to steal a base practice regularly He be- ¬ on It makes no differ- ¬ gan to command atten- ¬ ence how fast a base run- tion in this line not so ner is on his feet if ho much for his proficiency- doesnt get a start with in tho game as his fleet the swing of the pitcher ness of foot and his great he is going to get caught base running Ho was a THE OLD CHICAGO WHITE SOX CHAMPIONS OF 1880 81 82 AND 85 at second surer than wonder for his day and Top Row Gco F Gore center field Frank S Flint catcher A C Anson captain and first base Jag ahootln It was practically a cinch H McCormick pitcher M J Kelly right fielder and catcher Fred H Pfeffer second base While I consider when he got a base that Bottom RowEdward N Williamson third base A Dairy mplc left field Thos E Burns short stop Johnny Kling perhaps with any kind of luck at John G Clarkson pitcher W A Sunday right field Continued on page 13 5 u 1 M.