Second Session - Fortieth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Human Resources Chairperson Ms. Melanie Wight Constituency of Burrows Vol. LXV No. 11 - 6 p.m., Monday, October 7, 2013 ISSN 1708-6655 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Fortieth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital NDP ALLUM, James Fort Garry-Riverview NDP ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley NDP ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson NDP BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli NDP BLADY, Sharon Kirkfield Park NDP BRAUN, Erna Rossmere NDP BRIESE, Stuart Agassiz PC CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East NDP CHIEF, Kevin, Hon. Point Douglas NDP CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan NDP CROTHERS, Deanne St. James NDP CULLEN, Cliff Spruce Woods PC DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk NDP DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood PC EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FRIESEN, Cameron Morden-Winkler PC GAUDREAU, Dave St. Norbert NDP GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Liberal GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach PC GRAYDON, Cliff Emerson PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC HOWARD, Jennifer, Hon. Fort Rouge NDP IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri, Hon. Fort Richmond NDP JHA, Bidhu Radisson NDP KOSTYSHYN, Ron, Hon. Swan River NDP LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. Dawson Trail NDP MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns NDP MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden PC MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Flor, Hon. Logan NDP MARCELINO, Ted Tyndall Park NDP MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel NDP MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East PC NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake NDP OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River NDP PALLISTER, Brian Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine Midland PC PETTERSEN, Clarence Flin Flon NDP REID, Daryl, Hon. Transcona NDP ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Kewatinook NDP RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia NDP ROWAT, Leanne Riding Mountain PC SARAN, Mohinder The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron St. Paul PC SELBY, Erin, Hon. Southdale NDP SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St. Boniface NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Verendrye PC STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo PC STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin NDP SWAN, Andrew, Hon. Minto NDP WHITEHEAD, Frank The Pas NDP WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WIGHT, Melanie Burrows NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC Vacant Morris 601 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON HUMAN RESOURCES Monday, October 7, 2013 TIME – 6 p.m. MATTERS UNDER CONSIDERATION: LOCATION – Winnipeg, Manitoba Bill 9–The Teachers' Society Amendment Act CHAIRPERSON – Ms. Melanie Wight (Burrows) Bill 12–The Community Schools Act VICE-CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Ted Marcelino Bill 14–The Education Administration (Tyndall Park) Amendment and Public Schools Amendment Act (Parent Groups for Schools) ATTENDANCE – 11 QUORUM – 6 Bill 44–The International Education Act Members of the Committee present: * * * Hon. Mses. Allan, Selby, Hon. Mr. Swan Madam Chairperson: Good evening. Will the Messrs. Briese, Dewar, Goertzen, Marcelino, Standing Committee on Human Resources please Mmes. Mitchelson, Rowat, Mr. Saran, Ms. Wight come to order. APPEARING: Our first item of business is the election of a Hon. Jon Gerrard, MLA for River Heights Vice-Chairperson. Are there any nominations? PUBLIC PRESENTERS: Mr. Gregory Dewar (Selkirk): I nominate Mr. Marcelino, Tyndall Park. Bill 14–The Education Administration Amendment and Public Schools Amendment Act Madam Chairperson: Mr. Marcelino has been (Parent Groups for Schools) nominated. Are there any other nominations? Ms. Marilyn Kolody, Manitoba Association of Seeing none, Mr. Marcelino is elected Parent Councils Vice-Chairperson. Ms. Gladys Hayward Williams, private citizen This meeting has been called to consider the Ms. Doraine Wachniak, private citizen following bills: Bill 9, The Teachers' Society Bill 9–The Teachers' Society Amendment Act Amendment Act; Bill 12, The Community Schools Act; Bill 14, The Education Administration Mr. Ken Pearce, Manitoba Teachers' Society Amendment and Public Schools Amendment Bill 44–The International Education Act Act (Parent Groups for Schools); Bill 44, The International Education Act. Ms. Karen Strobel, Manitoba Council for International Education We have a number of presenters registered to Mr. Gary Gervais, Heartland International speak tonight on the list of presenters before you. English School On the topic of determining the order of public Mr. Jeremy Read, University of Winnipeg presentations, I will note that we have out-of-town Mr. Wayne Palendat, Manitoba Association of presenters in attendance marked with an asterisk on Career Colleges the list. With this in consideration, in what order Ms. Bilan Arte, Canadian Federation of Students does the committee wish to hear the presentations? of Manitoba Hon. Andrew Swan (Minister of Justice and WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS : Attorney General): I'm sure I'd suggest that the out-of-town presenters go first. Bill 44–The International Education Act Madam Chairperson: Is that acceptable to the Brent Poole, Pembina Trails School Division committee? [Agreed] Christian Perron, Université de Saint-Boniface Grant Ganczar, St. James-Assiniboia School I would like to inform all in attendance of some Division provisions regarding the hour of adjournment and the 602 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 7, 2013 consideration of our business tonight. In accordance called a second time they will be removed from the with the sessional order adopted in the House presenters list. on September the 11th, 2013, since we currently Prior to proceeding with public presentations, have less than 20 presenters registered, if this I would like to advise members of the public committee has not completed clause-by-clause regarding the process for speaking in committee. The consideration of these bills by midnight, a number proceedings of our meetings are recorded in order to of rules will apply, including, (1) sitting past provide a verbatim transcript. Each time someone midnight to hear presentations; (2) if they are wishes to speak, whether it be an MLA or a not already finished concluding presentations at presenter, I first have to say the person's name. This 1 a.m.; and (3) interrupting proceedings to conclude is the signal for the Hansard recorder to turn the mics clause-by-clause on all bills at 3 a.m. on and off. How late does the committee wish to sit tonight? Thank you for your patience. We will now Hon. Nancy Allan (Minister of Education): I proceed with public presentations. suggest we sit until we have the legislation done. Before starting with presentations, I would like Madam Chairperson: Is that acceptable to the to inform the committee that Paul Olson, presenting committee? [Agreed] on Bill 9, is not here, and that Ken Pearce will represent the Manitoba teachers' association. Written Submissions on Bill 44 from the following persons have been received and distributed Also, a presenter, Ms. Marilyn Kolody, to committee members: Brent Poole, Pembina Trails presenting on Bill 14, has family commitments and School Division; Christian Perron, Université de has asked if she can present first. Is that agreed? Saint-Boniface; Grant Ganczar, St. James-Assiniboia [Agreed] School Division. Bill 14–The Education Administration Does the committee agree to have these Amendment and Public Schools Amendment Act submissions appear in the Hansard transcript of this (Parent Groups for Schools) meeting? [Agreed] Madam Chairperson: I will now call on Marilyn Kolody, president, MAPC, Manitoba Association of Before we proceed with presentations, we do Parent Councils, and do you have any written have a number of other items and points of materials? Great. Our staff will help you with that information to consider. First of all, if there is and you can just go ahead, then, whenever you're anyone else in the audience who would like to make ready, yes. a presentation this evening, please register with staff at the entrance of the room. Ms. Marilyn Kolody (Manitoba Association of Parent Councils): Thank you for this opportunity to Also, for the information of all presenters, while speak and also thank you for allowing me to move written versions of presentations are not required, if up in the agenda. As noted, my name is Marilyn you are going to accompany your presentation with Kolody, and I am the president of the Manitoba written materials we ask that you provide 20 copies. Association of Parent Councils, which I will refer to If you need help with photocopying please speak as MAPC from here on. with our staff. I am the parent of three children, one who just As well, I would like to inform presenters that in graduated last year from school and the other two are accordance with our rules, a time limit of 10 minutes still in the public school system. I've been involved has been allotted for presentations with another five in parent councils in my children's schools for the minutes allowed for questions from committee past 12 years and 'consinue' to–continue to serve on members. So at nine minutes I will do my best to their councils in the school that they attend. I've been remember to let you know that you just have one a board director with MAPC for the past four years minute left, okay? and I'm serving my first year as president. Also, in accordance with our rules, if a presenter To provide you with some information about is not in attendance when their name is called, they MAPC, as an organization MAPC has been in will be dropped to the bottom of the list. If the existence for over 50 years and is made up of presenter is not in attendance when their name is school-based groups throughout the province. October 7, 2013 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 603 Annually, we have more than 350 members. This MAPC recently created and distributed a survey includes groups from public schools who become for parents to fill out. Surveys were sent out to all members either through their division or they can divisions across the province and distributed through join on their own, independent schools, individuals our networks. We have collected the results and are and organizations interested in education. Our now in the process of collating that data.