LOKSABHA DEBATES TENTH SERIES (VOL.XXXIV No.19) AUGUST, 19, 1994 ELEVENTH SESSION TENTH LOK SABHA LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI [ORIGINAL ENGLISH PROCEfOUlGS INCLUDED IN ENGLISH VERSION AND ORIGINAL HINDI PROCEEDINGS INCLUDED IN HINDI VERSION Will BE TREATED AS AUTHORITATIVE AND NOT THE TRANSLATION THEREOF.] CONTENTS (Tenth series, VoI,XXXIV, Eleventh Session, 1994-1916(Saka) No.. 19, Friday, August 19, 1994/Sravana 28,1916 (Saka) COLUMNS Jral Answers to Questions: 1-34 • Starred Questions Nos. 361,362,364 and 367 1-30 Written Answers to Questions: 35-448 • Starred Question Nos. 363,365,366 and 35-66 368 to 380 Unstarred Question Nos. 3509 to 3555 3557 to 3621 and 3623 to 3716 67-434 Papers Laid on the Table 449-452 Financial Committees (1993-94) - A Review - Laid 452 ::>tanding Committee on Human Resource Development 453 Eleventh Report - Laid 3iness of the House 453-457 esolution Re: Approval of National { 458-469 ('using Policy - Adopted 471-485 Shri Dau Dayal Joshi 458-462 Shri Sudhir Giri 463-468 Kumari Sushila Tiriya 469 • The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. (ii) COLUMNS 680 Shri Santosh Kumar Gangwar 475-477 , of Shrimati Sheila Kaul 478-485 Announcement Re: Postponment of the Sitting of the House Upto Forty Minutes past Fourteen of the clock for want of quorum 470 Announcement by Speaker 470 Non-acceptance of resignations of the Members of the Legislative Committees Motor Vehicles (Amendment) Bill 487 As passed by Rajya Sabha 487 Motion to consider Shri Jagdish Tytler 487-489 Shri Chetan P .S. Chauhan 490-491 Committee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions 492 Thirty Fifth Report - Adopted Resolution Re: Enlargement of Functions of National Commission for Backward Classes 492 Shri Ram Vilas Paswan 493-509 Shri Ganga Ram Koli 510 Shri Chitta Basu 511-518 Dr. S.P. Yadav 519-524 Shri Dileep Singh Bhuria 525-529 Shri Rameshwar Patidar 530-535 Shri M. Krishnaswamy 536-540 Shri Kamla Mishra Madhukar 541-544 Shri P.C. Chacko 545-556 LOK SABHA DEBATES LOI(SABHA (d) if so, the details thereof; (e) if not, the reasons therefor; Friday, August 19, 19941Sravana 28, and 1916 (Saka) (f) the time by which these are likely to The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the be implemented? Clock THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [MR. SPEAKER in the Chai~ MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI M.V. CHANDRASHEKHARA MURTHY): (a) to ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (f). No recommendation of the Third Pay Commission is pending consideration. Two [English) recommendations of the Fourth Pay Commission viz. para 10.263(part) relating to uniformity in the grant of special pay to the Pay Commissions personnel in various trades in all the Central Police Organisations and para 19.8 regarding *361. SHRIMATI PRATIBHA age of superannuation for scientific and DEVISINGH PATIL: Will the Minister of technical personnel in all the Scientific FINANCE be pleased to state: Departments are however, under consideration. (a) whether some recommendations of the Third and Fourth Pay Commissions SHRIMATI PRATIBHA DEVISINGH are still pending before the Govemment for PATIL: Are there any recommendations implementation; which have been accepted in principle? Are there any recommendations which have (b) if so, the details thereof; been sent for the arbitration but not implemented so far? I would like to know, (c) whether the Govemment have what are the terms of reference of the Fifth taken any final decision about the fate of all Pay Commission and whether they are going such pending recommendations after the to be broad-based enough to protect the constitution of the Fifth Pay Commission; interests of all employees? 3 Oral Answers .AUGUST 19,1994 Oral Answers 4 SHRI M.V. CHANDRASHEKHARA reduce the possibility and element of MURTHY: Out of 168 recommendations of corruption at different levels and bring out the Fourth Pay Commission, no action was speed, efficiency and coordination in required on 31 recommendations as they governmental functioning and gjve incentive were only observations; 20 for good work and make the administration recommendations were not found clean and neat? practicable and 116 recommendations have been implemented. I have already replied SHRI MANMOHAN SINGH: The Pay that only two recommendations of the Fourth Commission is a high-powered body and my Pay Commission are under consideration. submission is that the terms of reference of the Commission are sufficiently wide enough SHRIMATI PRATIBHA DEVISINGH to set up any sub-committee to take care of PATIL: With the advent of time, new any special problems that may be faced by schemes, new areas with new set of work personnel in space and other organisations and new set of skills have come under the that the Commission deems fit. There is no purview, scope and dimension of the bar with the Commission setting up any of governmental functioning. It has spread in these bodies. But, I feel that this is best left all directions. It goes right from above the to be decided by the Pay Commission. sky, that is, the space to below the ground level and below the ocean also. The Space DR. R. MALLU: As per the reply there Research Centre sends satellites in space are two demands pending in Fourth Pay and the ONGC goes under the water and the Commission pertaining to Central Police Water Survey Department goes below the Organisation and Scientific and Technical Earth to "find out the underground water. So, Organisation. As I know this Central Police the area of govemmental functioning has Organisation and Scientific and Technical increased in a very big way. It comprises of Orga~isation are very sensitive and they are Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited right from supposed to concentrate on their jobs when the heavy industry to light music. It deals compared to other organisations. I would with commerce, trade, business and all like to know from the hon. Minister by what social, medical and educational activities approximate time they are going to finalise and what not. So, I, therefore, would like to the pending demands of these two know whether the Government will think of organisations. constituting sub-committees under the Pay Commission to go into the aspect of different SHRI M.V. CHANDRASHEKHARA ' kinds of these activities' to evaluate the work MURTHY: As I have already pointed out one and fix up the increments according to that. recommendation regarding the matter of special pay applicable to the different trades So, whether these sub-committees will in Central Police Organisation is pending in also be asked to go into the question of the Ministry of Home Affairs and the other administrative authority, powers, functions, one is pending for uniformity in the age of responsibilities and accountabilities of the superannuation in the cadre of scientific and post at the time of fixation of payor increment technical personnel, with the Department of and suggest ways and means to curb the Science and Technology, the Ministry of lacunae inherent in the system so as to Law and the Department of Personnel. They 5 Oral Answers SRAVANA 28,1916 (SAKA) Oral Answers 6 are discussing the issue. After considering SHRI MANMOHAN SINGH: Sir, the all the legal aspects, we will take a decision. Pay Commission, as I said is a high-powered b~dy. The resolution of the problems which [ Translation) have been referred to by the hon. Member does not lie in that for each specialised SHRI LAKSHMAN SINGH: Whether in service there should be a member. The Pay the Fifth Pay Commission Report, special C.ommission, I am quite confident, will be attention will be given to the jawans and able to discharge all its responsibilities with officials of Indian Army? As these jawans its present members. It has a former judge and officials are posted in Siachen Glacier, of the Supreme Court as its member; it has they get additional allowance of Rs. 200 to a very distinguished economist; and it has Rs. 250 per month. What step the very distinguished administrators as its Government is taking to keep the morale of members. And, as I said, the Pay these personnel high in future? Commission can set up any advisory group that it wants. So, I do not feel that as of now the answerto the need for taking into account [English) the specific circumstances of each services is that each service should have a member. SHRI M.V. CHANDRASHEKHARA That is not simply a feasible proposition. MURTHY: Regarding one report pending after the recommendations of the Fourth SHR! LOKANATH CHOUDHURY: Pay Commission, this is one among them. What about the other part of my question? I have three parts. SHRI LOKANATH CHOUDHURY: While replying the hon. Minister said that SHRI MAN MOHAN SINGH: About certain recommendations were those two recommendations, I would lik~ to unacceptable. I would like to know what are clarify. these recommendations and what are the reasons behind that and when the Government came to .the conclusion that SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: they are not acceptable? The consideration There are not just two recommendations. that is still pending indicates that a long time He said there were certain recommendations had passed. When is the Government going which were not acceptable. to fix the time-limit for that and when is the Government going to apply the Fifth Pay SHRI MANMOHAN SINGH: Sir, the Commission? Whether it is in the mind of the Pay Commission submitted its Report in Government that when they appoint the 1986. The action was taken in 1987.1 do not personnel in the Pay Commission, will they have right now the details about the take into consideration the new areas which recommendations which were rejected.