Justice Committee: Formal Minutes 2013–14 1 Formal Minutes of the Justice Committee Tuesday 14 May 2013 Members present: Sir Alan Beith, in the Chair Steve Brine Mr Elfyn Llwyd Jeremy Corbyn Andy McDonald Nick de Bois Seema Malhotra Gareth Johnson Graham Stringer 1. Committee’s programme of work The Committee considered this matter. 2. Supreme Court Resolved, That the Committee visit the Supreme Court in connection with its ongoing scrutiny work. 3. Crown Dependencies Resolved, That the Committee visit Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man in connection with its inquiry into Crown Dependencies: developments since 2010. Resolved, That the Committee hold an informal seminar on Crown Dependencies: developments since 2010. 4. Joint Enterprise Ordered, That correspondence received from the Director of Public Prosecutions, relating to Joint Enterprise, be reported to the House for publication on the internet. 5. Funding of Expert Witnesses Ordered, That correspondence received from the Ministry of Justice, in response to the Committee’s Report Pre-legislative scrutiny of the Children and Families Bill, be reported to the House for publication on the internet. 6. Main estimates Memoranda Ordered, That the following written evidence relating to Main Estimates be reported to the House for publication on the internet: Ministry of Justice; Crown Prosecution Service; Justice Committee: Formal Minutes 2013–14 2 Serious Fraud Office; and HM Procurator General and Treasury Solicitor; The National Archives. 7. Government Consultation on Transforming Legal Aid Resolved, That the Committee hold an evidence session on the Government’s consultation on Transforming Legal Aid. 8. Sexual Offences Sentencing Guideline Draft Report (Sexual Offences Guideline: Consultation), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read. The draft Report was agreed to; the formal minutes relating to the consideration of the Report are published in the First Report of the Committee, HC 93. 9. Older Prisoners Ordered, That the following written evidence relating to the Older prisoners inquiry be reported to the House for publication on the internet: Prisoner L; Prisoner M; and Prisoner N. Dr Seena Fazel, Royal College of Psychiatrists, Dr Iain Brew, Royal College of GPs, Professor Jennifer Shaw, Offender Health Research Network gave oral evidence. Paul Grainge, RECOOP, Dr Stuart Ware, Restore Support Network, and Gill Walker, Chair of the Older People in Prison Forum, Age UK, gave oral evidence. [Adjourned till Tuesday 21 May at 9.15am. Justice Committee: Formal Minutes 2013–14 3 Tuesday 21 May 2013 Members present: Sir Alan Beith, in the Chair Steve Brine Andy McDonald Rehman Chishti Seema Malhotra Jeremy Corbyn Graham Stringer Mr Elfyn Llwyd Mike Weatherley 1. Committee’s programme of work The Committee considered this matter. 2. Crime reduction policies inquiry Resolved, That the Committee hold an informal seminar on crime reduction policies. 3. Freedom of Information Ordered, That correspondence received from the Ministry of Justice, in relation to Freedom of Information, be reported to the House for publication on the internet. 4. The work of the Crown Prosecution Service a) Declaration of interests Rehman Chishti, Mr Elfyn Llwyd and Andy McDonald declared interests as legal practitioners; and Mike Weatherley declared an interest arising from personal involvement in a case being dealt with by the Crown Prosecution Service. b) Oral evidence Keir Starmer QC, Director of Public Prosecutions, gave oral evidence. [Adjourned till Tuesday 4 June at 9.15am. Justice Committee: Formal Minutes 2013–14 4 Tuesday 4 June 2013 Members present: Sir Alan Beith, in the Chair Steve Brine Mr Elfyn Llwyd Rehman Chishti Andy McDonald Jeremy Corbyn Seema Malhotra Nick de Bois Graham Stringer Gareth Johnson Mike Weatherley 1. Committee’s programme of work The Committee considered this matter. [Adjourned till tomorrow at 9.15am. Wednesday 5 June 2013 Members present: Sir Alan Beith, in the Chair Jeremy Corbyn Andy McDonald Mr Elfyn Llwyd Seema Malhotra 1. Committee’s programme of work The Committee considered this matter. 2. Older Prisoners Jeremy Wright MP, Minister for Prisons and Rehabilitation, Ministry of Justice, Michael Spurr, Chief Executive of NOMS, and Bruce Calderwood, Director, Mental Health, Disability and Equality, Department of Health, gave oral evidence. [Adjourned till Tuesday 11 June at 9.15am. Justice Committee: Formal Minutes 2013–14 5 Tuesday 11 June 2013 Members present: Sir Alan Beith, in the Chair Steve Brine Mr Elfyn Llwyd Rehman Chishti Andy McDonald Jeremy Corbyn Seema Malhotra Nick de Bois Yasmin Qureshi Gareth Johnson Graham Stringer 1. Committee’s programme of work The Committee considered this matter. 2. Transforming Legal Aid a) Declaration of interests Rehman Chishti, Gareth Johnson, Mr Elfyn Llwyd, Andy McDonald and Yasmin Qureshi declared interests as legal practitioners. b) Oral evidence Lucy Scott-Moncrieff, President, Law Society, Bill Waddington, Chair, Criminal Law Solicitors Association, Michael Turner QC, Chair, Criminal Bar Association, Maura McGowan QC, Chair, Bar Council gave oral evidence. Tudur Owen, Senior Partner, Tudur Owen Roberts Glynne & Co, Roger Smith, Academic and former Director of JUSTICE, and Steve Brooker, Legal Services Consumer Panel, gave oral evidence. [Adjourned till tomorrow at 9.15am. Wednesday 12 June 2013 Members present: Sir Alan Beith, in the Chair Andy McDonald Seema Malhotra Committee’s programme of work The Committee considered this matter. [Adjourned till Tuesday 18 June at 9.15am. Justice Committee: Formal Minutes 2013–14 6 Tuesday 18 June 2013 Members present: Sir Alan Beith, in the Chair Steve Brine Andy McDonald Rehman Chishti Seema Malhotra Nick de Bois Graham Stringer Gareth Johnson Mike Weatherley Mr Elfyn Llwyd 1. Committee’s programme of work The Committee considered this matter. 2. Crown Dependencies: Developments since 2010 Ordered, That the following written evidence relating to the Crown Dependencies: Developments since 2010 inquiry be reported to the House for publication on the internet: Michael Dunn, Jonathan Irving, Isle of Man Government, Peter Willers, Government of Jersey, Michael Higgins, The Chief Pleas of Sark, Policy Council of the States of Guernsey, Nicholas Le Cornu, Stephen Holmes, and the Ministry of Justice. 3. Older prisoners Ordered, That the written evidence from Prisoner P relating to the Older prisoners inquiry be reported to the House for publication on the internet. 4. Environmental Offences Guideline Consultation Resolved, That the Committee hold an informal seminar on the Environmental Offences Guideline Consultation. [Adjourned till Tuesday 25 June at 9.15am. Justice Committee: Formal Minutes 2013–14 7 Tuesday 25 June 2013 Members present: Sir Alan Beith, in the Chair Steve Brine Mr Elfyn Llwyd Nick de Bois Andy McDonald 1. Committee’s programme of work The Committee considered this matter. 2. Crime Reduction Policies: a coordinated approach? Ordered, That the following written evidence relating to the Crime reduction policies: a coordinated approach? inquiry be reported to the House for publication on the internet: Magistrates' Association; Howard League for Penal Reform; Big Brother Watch; Ministry of Justice; Prison Reform Trust; DrugScope; Local Government Association; Centre for Justice Innovation; Richard Lomax; National Policing Lead for Integrated Offender Management; Probation Chiefs Association; Criminal Justice Alliance; London Councils; Unilink Software Ltd; A4e; and Professor Mike Hough and colleagues. [Adjourned till Tuesday 2 July at 9.15am. Justice Committee: Formal Minutes 2013–14 8 Tuesday 2 July 2013 Members present: Sir Alan Beith, in the Chair Steve Brine Andy McDonald Jeremy Corbyn Seema Malhotra Gareth Johnson Graham Stringer Mr Elfyn Llwyd Mike Weatherley` 1. Committee’s programme of work The Committee considered this matter. 2. Transforming Rehabilitation Savas Hadjipavlou, Business Manager, Probation Chiefs’ Association, Ian Lawrence, General, Secretary, NAPO, Richard Monkhouse, Deputy Chairman, Magistrates’ Association, Martyn Oliver, Chief Executive, 3SC, and Richard Johnson, Independent Consultant, gave oral evidence. [Adjourned till tomorrow at 9.15am. Wednesday 3 July 2013 Members present: Sir Alan Beith, in the Chair Steve Brine Andy McDonald Jeremy Corbyn Seema Malhotra Gareth Johnson Yasmin Qureshi Mr Elfyn Llwyd Graham Stringer 1. Committee’s programme of work The Committee considered this matter. 2. The functions, powers and resources of the Information Commissioner Draft Special Report (The functions, powers and resources of the Information Commissioner: Government Response to the Committee’s Ninth Report of Session 2012–13), proposed by the Chair, brought up, read the first and second time, and agreed to. The Government’s response to the Committee’s Ninth Report of Session 2012–13 was appended to the Report. Justice Committee: Formal Minutes 2013–14 9 Resolved, That the Report be the First Special Report of the Committee to the House. Ordered, That the Chair make the Report to the House. 3. Transforming Legal Aid Rt Hon Chris Grayling MP, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice, Elizabeth Gibby, Deputy Director of Legal Aid and Legal Services Policy, Ministry of Justice, and Hugh Barrett, Director of Legal Aid Commissioning & Strategy, Legal Aid Agency, gave oral evidence. 4. Women offenders Draft Report (Women offenders: after the Corston Report), proposed by the Chair, brought up and read. The draft Report was agreed to;