From: Cate Carpenter To: Shannon Marinko Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:28:39 +1100 Subject: RE: 2009 TV WEEK Logie Awards Hi Shannon As explained in January, TV WEEK's decision is to not accept submissions from community TV. Many thanks, Cate Cate Carpenter | Project Manager, TV WEEK Logie Awards TV WEEK www.acpmagazines.com.au From: Shannon Marinko Sent: Wednesday, 25 February 2009 10:12 AM To: Carpenter, Cate Subject: 2009 TV WEEK Logie Awards Cate, I'm still naively hoping that your lack of response to my last e-mail (05/01/09) was because you were actually investigating the eligibilty of a community television show entering the Logie Awards. Again, there is NOTHING listed either in TV Week magazine, or the two-page Logie Award Category pdf you sent me, that states anything about community TV not being eligible for a Logie Award. I'm still asking - can I please submit our programme into the Most Outstanding Comedy Programme category? Cheers Shannon Marinko www.bazuraproject.com From: Shannon Marinko To: Cate Carpenter Subject: RE: 2009 TV WEEK Logie Awards Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:28:06 +1100 Cate, Okay - this is exactly the kind of information that should be explicitly mentioned somewhere in Logie eligibility rules, wherever they exist. I'd like to address your individual concerns (no, I'm not backing down yet): 1) Individual submissions vs Network submissions Channel 31 Melbourne will put forward our submission, if required. 2) Eligibility based on ratings According to OzTam, Stupid Stupid Man (Australia's most watched homemade comedy program) reached an audience between 600,000-700,000 on ABC1 per week for the year 2008. The Bazura Project reached an audience of approx. 250,000 per week in 2008. Given that community TV only reaches approx. 5 million homes, whereas free-to- air TV reaches approx. 20 million homes, The Bazura Project should effectively rate 1,000,000, making it a considerable success given its broadcasting constraints. 3) Eligibility based on popularity As an extremely-rough guide to popularity (how can you accurately measure this anyway?), Stupid Stupid Man has 232 Fans on Facebook, The Librarians has 225, whereas The Bazura Project has 404 fans; again, this popularity was achieved with significant broadcasting constraints, no advertising and no press. 4) Eligibility based on likelihood of receiving a nomination As I've mentioned before, in a year without The Chaser, without Kath & Kim, without Chris Lilley, without Thank God You're Here, I would think the Most Outstanding Comedy Program category is quite open. It's been a thin year for Australian comedy programs (in terms of number), and that weighs heavily in our favour. 5) Eligibility based on TV Week's expert opinion How can TV Week and/or the industry judges make an informed decision about our program without even watching our program? 6) Wikipedia I figured the Wikipedia entry was a long shot. It's just that there are NO official rules for Logie eligibility available ANYWHERE. The Oscars, Golden Globes, Emmys, Awgies and Helpmann Awards all have their rules posted on their website. It would be most helpful (and make the awards far more accountable) if the process was completely transparent. And lastly, what's the harm? What difference does it make that a community TV program submits an entry into the Logies? It doesn't mean we're going to win anything, it doesn't mean you've missed the boat in terms of our MASSIVE popularity, it doesn't mean you'll have to dedicate column inches to shows no-one's ever heard of. Look at the credibility it would give the awards/magazine. For an awards ceremony that is generally regarded as being dictated by teenage girls, imagine the respect and prestige the Logies would garner in the ever-cynical public and critical eye if a community TV show was nominated. It might even broaden your readership. Community TV will be extinct in a year or so anyway. It's not going to open any doors; you're not going to be flooded with entries from wannabes like myself. No-one else is this stubborn. Even if you think you'll be inundated with community TV entries, at least it'll provide a future opportunity to explicitly lay down the Logie Law in a public forum. Just let us have our chance first. There's thousands of people Australia-wide busting a gut to make their own TV shows for no money and with no professional assistance (some of it shows; hopefully ours doesn't). Of course I don't expect to win - I'm not THAT delusional. I just think we're as funny as anything on Australian TV this year. So we'd still like to submit our show for consideration. Cheers Shannon Marinko www.bazuraproject.com From: Cate Carpenter To: Shannon Marinko Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:40:24 +1100 Subject: RE: 2009 TV WEEK Logie Awards Hi Shannon The TV WEEK Logie Awards are owned and run by TV WEEK and as a result the acceptance of submissions is at the discretion of TV WEEK. Aside from the fact that we do not accept individual submissions from producers/production companies/individuals, acceptance of the Networks candidates are based on ratings, popularity, likelihood of receiving a nomination and TV WEEK’s expert opinion. Unfortunately, as anyone can edit the information on Wikipedia, many parts of it are inaccurate and not supplied by the office of TV WEEK. Good luck in the future. Many thanks, Cate Cate Carpenter | Project Manager, TV WEEK Logie Awards TV WEEK www.acpmagazines.com.au From: Shannon Marinko Sent: Monday, 5 January 2009 1:20 PM To: Carpenter, Cate Subject: RE: 2009 TV WEEK Logie Awards Hi Cate, Sorry - I never received your September response. My spam filter must be in overdrive. With regard to our eligibility, I'm sorry to get picky, but there's nothing in the rules that state that a program is only eligible if it receives coverage within TV Week magazine. In the pdf you sent me on 16/09/08 outlining the Logie rules, the Most Outstanding Comedy Program category states that a program is eligible if it is "televised on any free-to-air or subscription TV network in the year 2008". Community TV is free-to-air, therefore I would argue we are eligible. The "Logie Award" listing on Wikipedia also confirms our eligibility, stating: "To be eligible to receive a Logie, a programme must be Australian produced, set in Australia and have a predominantly Australian cast." Additionally, just fyi, Wikipedia also has the following under "Logie Award": "There is nothing stopping Channel 31 personalities and shows being nominated for Logies, however since their audiences are far smaller than those of the commercial channels and public broadcasters, they are at a tremendous disadvantage." If there is a more-complete set of Logie Award rules & eligibility other than what you've sent me, I would greatly appreciate it if you could forward me a copy. Otherwise, I would still like to submit our programme into the industry-judged Most Outstanding Comedy Program category. Thanks very much. Cheers Shannon Marinko www.bazuraproject.com From: Cate Carpenter To: Shannon Marinko Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:40:09 +1100 Subject: FW: 2009 TV WEEK Logie Awards Hi Shannon, I sent the below through to you back in September. As per below, we are unable to consider individual programs on Community Television. Many thanks, cate Cate Carpenter | Project Manager, TV WEEK Logie Awards TV WEEK www.acpmagazines.com.au From: Carpenter, Cate Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 3:04 PM To: 'Shannon Marinko' Subject: RE: 2009 TV WEEK Logie Awards Hi Shannon As TV WEEK does not cover community television within the magazine, we are unable to consider individual programs on this platform for the TV WEEK Logie Awards. Thanks for your enquiry. Cate Cate Carpenter | Project Manager, TV WEEK Logie Awards TV WEEK www.acpmagazines.com.au From: Shannon Marinko Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 11:58 AM To: Carpenter, Cate Subject: 2009 TV WEEK Logie Awards Hi Cate, Thanks very much for the Logie categories and criteria. A quick query with regards to eligibility - for the 2009 Logie Awards, is a program eligible if it has been broadcast between January 1st and December 31st 2008? If the program was broadcast on Jan 1st 2009, would it only be only for the 2010 Logies? Also, could you also please provide me with the dates for submission (opening and closing dates) for the 2009 Logie Awards? In a year when there's no Chaser, no Kath & Kim and no Chris Lilley, I reckon we're half a chance for a nomination. Thanks again. Cheers Shannon Marinko www.bazuraproject.com From: Cate Carpenter To: Shannon Marinko Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:06:41 +1000 Subject: 2009 TV WEEK Logie Awards Hi Shannon Following on from our discussion yesterday, attached are the categories and criteria for next year’s TV WEEK Logies. Given your audience numbers, it is unlikely that Channel 31 programs would be considered, however, happy to hear your argument. Many thanks, Cate Cate Carpenter | Project Manager, TV WEEK Logie Awards TV WEEK www.acpmagazines.com.au .