Fourth Session - Thirty-Sixth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Law Amendments Chairperson Mr. Jack Penner Constituency of Emerson Vol. XLVIII No.6- 9:30a.m., Friday, June 19, 1998 ISSN 0713-9586 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Sixth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ASHTON, Steve Thompson N.D.P. BARREIT, Becky Wellington N.D.P. CERILLI, Marianne Radisson N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave Kildonan N.D.P. CUMMINGS, Glen, Hon. Ste. Rose P.C. DACQUAY, Louise, Hon. Seine River P.C. DERKACH, Leonard, Hon. Roblin-Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary Concordia N.D.P. DOWNEY, James, Hon. Arthur-Virden P.C. DRIEDGER, Albert Steinbach P.C. DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. ENNS, Harry, Hon. Lakeside P.C. EVANS, Clif Interlake N.D.P. EVANS, Leonard S. Brandon East N.D.P. FAURSCHOU, David Portage Ia Prairie P.C. FILMON, Gary, Hon. Tuxedo P.C. FINDLAY, Glen, Hon. Springfield P.C. FRIESEN, Jean Wolseley N.D.P. GAUDRY, Neil St. Boniface Lib. GILLESHAMMER, Harold, Hon. Minnedosa P.C. HEL WER, Edward Gimli P.C. HICKES, George Point Douglas N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. KOWALSKI, Gary The Maples Lib. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATHLIN, Oscar The Pas N.D.P. LAURENDEAU, Marcel St. Norbert P.C. MACKINTOSH, Gord St. Johns N.D.P. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McALPINE, Gerry Sturgeon Creek P.C. McCRAE, James, Hon. Brandon West P.C. McGIFFORD, Diane Osborne N.D.P. MciNTOSH, Linda, Hon. Assiniboia P.C. MIHYCIIUK, MaryAnn St. James N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie, Hon. River East P.C. NEWMAN, David, Hon. Riel P.C. PENNER, Jack Emerson P.C. PITlJRA, Frank, Hon. Morris P.C. PRAZNIK, Darren, Hon. Lac du Bonnet P.C. RADCLIFFE, Mike, Hon. River Heights P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D.P. REIMER, Jack, Hon. Niakwa P.C. RENDER, Shirley St. Vital P.C. ROBINSON, Eric Rupertsland N.D.P. ROCAN, Denis Gladstone P.C. SALE, Tim Crescentwood N.D.P. SANTOS, Conrad Broadway N.D.P. STEFANSON, Eric, Hon. Kirkfield Park P.C. STRUTHERS, Stan Dauphin N.D.P. SVEINSON, Ben La Verendrye P.C. TOEWS, Vic, Bon. Rossmere P.C. TWEED, Mervin Turtle Mountain P.C. VODREY, Rosemary, Hon. Fort Garry P.C. WOWCHUK, Rosano Swan River N.D.P. 129 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON LAW AMENDMENTS Friday, June 19, 1998 TIME - 9:30 a.m. Ms. Maureen Koblun, Private Citizen Ms. Susan Olson, Private Citizen LOCATION - Winnipeg, Manitoba Ms. Patricia Mcinnis, Private Citizen Ms. Mary Ann Haddad, Private Citizen CHAIRPERSON - Mr. Jack Penner (Emerson) Ms. Joan Joyce Podolas, Private Citizen Mr. Bruce Waldie, Private Citizen VICE-CHAIRPERSON - Mr. Mervin Tweed Ms. Joan Thorogood, Private Citizen (read by Mr. (Turtle Mountain) Bill Martin, Canadian Mental Health Association - Manitoba Division) ATTENDANCE- 10- QUORUM- 6 Ms. Beverley Goodwin, Private Citizen Ms. Louise Smendziuk, Private Citizen Members of the Committee present: Ms. Katherine Davis, Private dtizen Ms. Beverley Hawkins, Private Citizen Hon. Messrs. Pitura, Praznik, Radcliffe Mr. Victor Dyck, Private Citizen Mr. Yude Henteleff, Private Citizen Mr. Chomiak, Mrs. Driedger, Ms. McGifford, Mr. Mr. Chris Summerville, Manitoba Schizophrenia Penner, Mrs. Render, Messrs. Sale, Tweed Society (read by Mr. Horst Peters, Private Citizen) Mr. Horst Peters, Private Citizen APPEARING: Mr. Bill Ashdown, Society fo r Depression & Manic Depression of Manitoba Mr. Gary Kowalski, MLA fo r The Maples Mr. Uwe Osterwald, Private Citizen Mr. Harry Wolbert, Private Citizen WITNESSES: Ms. Ruth McCutcheon, Private Citizen Mr. Gordon Nicolson, Private Citizen Bill 30-The Pharmaceutical Amendment Act Mr. Bill Martin, Canadian Mental Health Association, Manitoba Division Mr. Stuart Wilcox, The Manitoba Pharmaceutical Mr. Rod Lauder, Canadian Mental Health Association Association, Winnipeg Branch Ms. Lucie Pearase, Private Citizen B iII 31-The Regulated Health Professions Statutes Mr. Murray Waldie, Private Citizen Amendment Act Mrs. Ellen Waldie, Private Citizen Mr. Mark Waldie, Private Citizen Mr. David M. Sanders, Private Citizen Bill 57-The Regional Health Authorities Amendment Bill 35-The Mental Health and Consequential Act Amendments Act Mr. Gervin Greasley, The Arbitration and Mr. Ken Melnyk, Private Citizen Mediation Institute of Manitoba Ms. Carlyn Mackey, Families Advocating Timely and Appropriate Care and Treatment for Serious WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS: Mental Disorders Ms. Dorothy Weldon, Private Citizen Bill 35-The Mental Health and Consequential Ms. Connie Krohn, Private Citizen Amendments Act Ms. Colleen Cawood, Private Citizen Ms. Theresa Wayne, Private Citizen Ms. Phyllis Wayne, Private Citizen 130 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA June 19, 1998 Ms. Darlene Dreilich, Community Coalition on This morning, the committee will be considering the Mental Health fol lowing bills: Bill 13, The Prescription Drugs Cost Mrs. Barbara Gommerman, Private Citizen Assistance Amendment Act; Bill 20, The Medical Ms. Marion Josie Palamar, Private Citizen Amendment Act; Bill 30, The Pharmaceutical Mrs. Dyla McGregor, Private Citizen Amendment Act; Bill 31, The Regulated Health Ms. Yvonne Bloomer, Canadian Mental Health Professions Statutes Amendment Act; Bill 35, The Association, Thompson Region Mental Health and Consequential Amendments Act; Ms. Kris Cummings, Private Citizen Bill 52, The Health Services Insurance Amendment Mr. Armand Manaigre, Private Citizen Act; and Bill 57, The Regional Health Authorities Ms. Mabel Osborne, PrivateCitiz en Amendment Act. Mr. Gerald M. Henry, Private Citizen Ms. BerniceHenry, Private Citizen We have presenters who have registered to make Ms. Lillian Kearn,Private Citizen public presentations on Bills 30, 31, 35 and 57. It is Ms. Angela Blacksmith, Private Citizen normally our custom to have presentations before Mr. James G. Macinnis, Private Citizen considerations of the bill. Is it the will of the Mr. Walter Labanowich, Private Citizen committee to hear the public presentations on all the Mr. Leonard Crait, Private Citizen bills first? [agreed] MATTERS UNDER DISCUSSION: l will read the names of the people who have registered. I would like to ask fo r one consideration in Bill 13-The Prescription Drugs Cost Assistance that we have one presenter for Bills 30, 31 and 57, and Amendment Act I am wondering whether we could hear those three Bill 20-The Medical Amendment Act presenters first before we enter into discussions on Bill Bill 30-The Pharmaceutical Amendment Act 35. There are quite a list of presenters. Bill 3 1-The Regulated Health Professions Statutes Amendment Act So I will read the list of names of the presenters. Bill 35-The Mental Health and Consequential Stuart Wilcox or Ronald Guse, Bill 30, The Manitoba Amendments Act Pharmaceutical Association; David M. Sanders, private Bill 52-The Health Services Insurance Amendment citizen, on Bill 31, The Regulated Health Professions Act Statutes Amendment Act; Gervin Greasley, The Bill 57-The Regional Health Authorities Amendment Arbitration and Mediation Institute of Manitoba on Bill Act 57, The Regional Health Authorities Amendment Act. ••• On Bill 35, The Mental Health and Consequential Amendments Act, we have Carlyn Mackey, Families Mr. Chairperson: Would the Standing Committee on Advocating Timely and Appropriate Care and Law Amendments please come to order. The firstorder Treatment fo r Serious Mental Disorders; Dorothy of business that we have to conduct today is electing a Weldon, private citizen; Connie Krohn, private citizen; Vice-Chairperson. Are there any nominations fo r a Ken Melnyk. private citizen; Colleen Cawood, private Vice-Chair? citizen; Theresa Wayne, private citizen; Maureen Koblun, private citizen; Susan Olson, private citizen; Mrs. Shirley Render (St. Vital): Mr. Chairman, I Phyllis Wayne, private citizen; Patricia Melnnis , private would like to nominate the member fo r Turtle citizen; Joan Thorogood, private citizen; Beverley Mountain (Mr. Tweed) as Vice-Chair. Goodwin, private citizen; Louise Smendziuk, private citizen; Chris Summerville, Manitoba Schizophrenia Mr. Chairperson: The member fo r Turtle Mountain Society; Katherine Davis, private citizen; Beverley has been nominated. Any furthernomi nations? Seeing Hawkins, private citizen; JackieMauws, private citizen; none, I declare the member fo r TurtleMountain, Merv Rod Lauder, private citizen; Bruce Waldie, private Tweed, elected as Vice-Chair. citizen; Victor M. Dyck, private citizen; Horst Peters, June 19, 1998 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 131 private citizen; Bill Ashdown, Society fo r Depression Mr. Dave Chomiak (Kildonan): I recognize that it and Manic Depression of Manitoba; Dr. Jaye Miles or has been a generally established practice in the Darlene Dreilich, Community Coalition on Mental committee to set time limits on presentations. I Health; Uwe Osterwald, private citizen; Valerie Price, understand that we have been doing it on a regular basis Manitoba Association fo r Rights and Liberties; Mary in committee. We, in principle are not-1 am certainly Ann Haddad, private citizen; Ellen Kruger, Canadian not in favour of limiting time. I understand though, that Mental Health Association - Winnipeg Region; Harry on the time limits that the committee is considering Wolbert, private citizen; Joan Joyce Podolas, private imposing, the Chair has at their discretion the ability to citizen; Ruth McCutcheon, private citizen; David extend presentations. If that consideration is taken in Smith, private citizen; Gordon Nicolson, private citizen; mind and