National Venture Capital Association Venture Capital Oral History Project Walter J. P. Curley Interview Conducted by Carole Kolker, PhD March, 2010 All uses of this manuscript are covered by a legal agreement between the National Venture Capital Association and Walter J. P. Curley, dated April 4, 2010. The manuscript is thereby made available for research purposes. All literary rights in the manuscript, including the right to publish, are reserved to the National Venture Capital Association. No part of the manuscript may be quoted for publication without the written permission of the National Venture Capital Association. Requests for permission to quote for publication should be addressed to the National Venture Capital Association, 1655 North Fort Myer Drive, Suite 850, Arlington, Virginia 22209, or faxed to: 703-524-3940. All requests should include identification of the specific passages to be quoted, anticipated use of the passages, and identification of the user. Recommended Citation: Walter J. P. Curley, Venture Capital Greats: Walter J. P. Curley, interview by Carole Kolker, March 24, 2010, National Venture Capital Association, Arlington, VA, 2009. Copyright © 2009 by the National Venture Capital Association www.nvca.org This collection of interviews, Venture Capital Greats, recognizes the contributions of individuals who have followed in the footsteps of early venture capital pioneers such as Andrew Mellon and Laurance Rockefeller, J. H. Whitney and Georges Doriot, and the mid-century associations of Draper, Gaither & Anderson and Davis & Rock — families and firms who financed advanced technologies and built iconic US companies. Each interviewee was asked to reflect on his formative years, his career path, and the subsequent challenges faced as a venture capitalist. Their stories reveal passion and judgment, risk and rewards, and suggest in a variety of ways what the small venture capital industry has contributed to the American economy. As the venture capital industry prepares for a new market reality in the early years of the 21st century, the National Venture Capital Association reports (2008) that venture capital investments represented 2% of US GDP and was responsible for 10.4 million American jobs and 2.3 trillion in sales. These figures, while significant, greatly understate the collective accomplishments of the venture capital industry. I’m pleased to have supported this project, which I believe will advance the understanding of the venture capital industry. This collection, along with Paul Bancroft’s Bay Area oral history project at the Bancroft Library at the University of California, Berkeley, and Paul Holland’s Silicon Valley project for the Western Association of Venture Capitalists, will add significantly to a growing body of venture capital memoirs available to the public sector. A special note of gratitude goes to each interviewee who generously gave of his time while candidly sharing his memories. Their recollections bring to life the dynamic story of venture capital in the 20th century, providing a powerful perspective on the history of this industry. Charles W. Newhall III 2009 VENTURE CAPITAL GREATS A Conversation with Walter J. P. Curley Walter J. P. Curley was a partner in J. H. Whitney & Co from 1960 to 1974. Prior to that, from 1949 to 1959, Mr. Curley worked with Caltex Oil Company in India and Italy. He was the Commissioner of Public Events and Chief of Protocol of New York City, from 1973 to 1974, during the administration of John Lindsay. In 1975, Mr. Curley was appointed Ambassador to Ireland by President Ford. He returned to the private sector to establish his own venture capital investment firm, in New York, in 1977. Between 1989 and 1993, Ambassador Curley served as Ambassador to France under President George H. W. Bush. He participated in negotiations relating to French-American relations during the German re-unification, the dissolution of the USSR, and the Gulf War. Ambassador Curley has the rank of Commandeur in the French Légion d’Honneur. In World War II, Mr. Curley served as a combat officer in the Marine Corps in the Iowa Jima, Okinawa, Guam and North China campaigns, and holds decorations from the Army, Navy Marine Corps, and The Republic of China. Ambassador Curley has been a Trustee of the New York Public Library, Miss Porter’s School, Brooks School in Massachusetts, The Buckley School (President), Barnard College, and is a former Director of the American Ireland Fund, The Irish Georgian Society, New York Life Insurance Company, Fiduciary Trust International, Bank of Ireland (Dublin), Crane Co., Guinness Peat Aviation, American Exploration Co., The New Yorker Magazine, the International Board of Banque Paribas, and Sotheby’s Holdings, Inc.. Walter Curley was born in Pittsburgh, attended Andover, Yale University, Harvard University, the University Oslo, Norway, and has an Honorary Doctorate in Law from Trinity College, Dublin. The following interview with Ambassador Walter J. P. Curley is taking place at his office at 623 Fifth Avenue in New York City. My name is Carole Kolker. Today’s date is March 24, 2010. This interview is being conducted as part of the National Venture Capital Association’s Venture Capital Oral History Project. Carole Kolker: I do want to thank you for setting aside this time. Walter Curley: I’m delighted to have you here, Carole Kolker, in the center of Manhattan, the center of Gotham; do you remember that word, an old Dutch word, seldom used. Anyway, it’s nice to have you here and to talk about this subject, whatever items you have to talk about. CK: We’re focusing on you and your career as a pioneering venture capitalist and whatever else has happened along the way. For the record, let’s start with your early years: Where were you born? When? WC: My full name, if you have a tape long enough to collect it, is Walter Joseph Patrick Curley, Jr. I dropped the “junior” when my father died, so now I’m a little simpler in nomenclature. I was born in Pittsburgh, in 1922, right after World War I. VENTURE CAPITAL GREATS WALTER J. P. CURLEY ______________________________________________________________________________ CK: What was your family doing in Pittsburgh? WC: They’d been there for generations, and some had come from Ireland, some had come from England and Scotland; way, way back, I think — I know — some came from Spain. That goes back a long time. They came from Spain to Ireland and England. But we came directly from Ireland and Scotland and England — mainly Ireland. And interestingly, we came from the Old World to the New World directly to Pittsburgh. The boat that brought them landed in Philadelphia. A lot of boats in those days would come to Philadelphia, or Baltimore. My people came to Philadelphia, and then went over the Alleghenies directly to Pittsburgh, to western Pennsylvania. CK: Do you know why? WC: Well, I think they wanted to avoid — not avoid New York — but they thought it was the West. It was the call of the West, the promise of the West. So they went out there, and indeed, the promise was worth it. They went out there, and I was brought up in Pittsburgh. We lived in an area called Fox Chapel, but in those days we lived in town, in the east end of Pittsburgh. The ambience in Pittsburgh — like in a lot of places beyond the Alleghenies, and indeed in New York itself, but more so out there — I was surrounded from birth by private enterprise, entrepreneurism, if you will, or entrepreneurial spirits. I think everybody I knew was private enterprise-oriented. My father, all my father’s friends, all my relatives — everybody was private enterprise- oriented. Nobody worked for the government. Very few people were in the State ___________________________________________________________________________ 2 VENTURE CAPITAL GREATS WALTER J. P. CURLEY ______________________________________________________________________________ Department or the Armed Forces, as my father had been. He’d been an officer in the US Army in France and Germany, Belgium, in World War I. But we all grew up in a business community, so your subject of entrepreneurialism, in effect, is something that I’ve known from birth. So where did I start? I suppose I, like many other people in that area, started right there. CK: What businesses were your family involved in? WC: My great-grandfather was in the brass and iron business. Not steel, but iron. And he had the Lappan Manufacturing Company, which became then the Cowan Manufacturing, which was my grandfather — Lappan was my great-grandfather. And Lappan being originally from Ireland — his father, he liked horses, and so he became a very avid and a very distinguished breeder, trainer, owner, and racer of trotters. So he became kind of a trotting king there for a while. But they were business people. That was my mother’s family. And my father’s family was equally oriented. My father was in the tank car business. He created a company called Conley, named after a friend of his who had been killed, Conley Tank Car Company. And he eventually acquired another company called Pennsylvania Tank Car Company, and it became the Pennsylvania-Conley Tank Car Company, and he built that up and eventually merged it into the General American Transportation Company in Chicago. And my father served on a number of boards in Pittsburgh. He was a director of the Colonial Trust Company, Pittsburgh Steel Company ___________________________________________________________________________ 3 VENTURE CAPITAL GREATS WALTER J. P. CURLEY ______________________________________________________________________________ and others outside of Pittsburgh. So it was a business-oriented atmosphere, always, and happily so. CK: And the conversation around the dinner table? WC: Not so much business, no. There was very little of that, very little of that. Strangely, isn’t it? Thinking back — you’d think there’d be a lot of exchange.